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  • Beatnik59Beatnik59 Chicago, ILPosts: 2,236Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Boneserino
    Originally posted by Aelious
    In legitimately worried about a lot of the F2P games over the next few years. There are new, quality titles coming out that will either free (EQN) or sub (AA possibly) and wild cards such as ESO or Wildstar (not sure on model announcement).

    Each of these could chip away at the playerbases of every game but F2P titles are the most vulnerable due to a smaller percentage supporting the game. I wonder how many titles will be closed or unsupported by 2015.

    Actually I would say that assumption is probably wrong.  The majority of the player base is likely playing for free.  Those that are paying are probably enjoying the game and are invested in playing it.

    However in sub based games there are probably lots of people thinking I am paying 15 a month and not really enjoying this game. Maybe it is time to switch.

    Each player lost in a sub based game is a paying one.  So a bigger proportion of paying players will likely be leaving the sub based game.

    All speculation of course, but I think my scenario makes as much sense as  the other, without conclusive evidence.

    I think the real problem isn't which model is more likely to be popular.  It's which model is more likely to close down in the short term.

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  • OnomasOnomas Rock Hill, SCPosts: 1,128Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Onomas
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by greenreen 

    These are the credits for the games he has been involved in listed on Wikipedia. I see few F2P listed there. What makes him an authority on the subject? His experience is mostly with just one company too. Just because someone publishes a book it never meant they knew best, remember that phrase, those who can't - teach. 

    He devloped and ran Metaplace.com. He also doesn't exist in a vacuum and spends a lot of time consulting. Is it your contention that since you've played a lot of video games your personal view of game design and how the industry works is more valid than the experience of those who have been successfully working in the industry for 30 or so years? If so, don't worry, there's a lot of people here like that, so you're in good company. 

     

    You don't need an expert to coin a term. Everyone knows a very small number of players pay through the roof. It is not uncommon to name a customer segment. So he borrows the term from the gambling industry and it sticks.

    Why is his expertise relevant?

    Funny you are the only one that uses it here, and call  people that dont even buy from a cash shop a WHALE. Its kind of derogatory and yoiu should not use it. Since you dont know who spends money over the rest, calling someone who pays for a sub a whale is not only ignorant but childish all together.

     

    And for the record that term is stupid beyond belief being used in the gaming industry. Just saying.

    you are just wrong.

    First, i never call people a whale for paying a sub. That is NOT the defintiion. I have also never called a particular person a whale, since i do not know who is one.

    Secondly, i will use the term when it fits the meaning .. i.e. ... the few players who pays a lot more than the norm in a F2P game. Do you have another term for it?

    If you are so easier offended on the internet, it is your problem, not mine.

     

    No im not wrong, you have even called me a whale in a different post.

    Just because someone tries to be cool and coin a new phrase or term doesnt mean you need to use it. That term is derogatory and just stupid. Many here dislike that including myself.

    There are many terms for race, sex, culture, religion but just because they are around doesnt mean you have to use it.

    There is no term required for people that wish to pay for their entertainment, everyone pays at one point in life to someone.

    Its your way to by sly and insult someone, but nonetheless its a derogatory term.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,216Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Onomas
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Onomas
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by greenreen 

    These are the credits for the games he has been involved in listed on Wikipedia. I see few F2P listed there. What makes him an authority on the subject? His experience is mostly with just one company too. Just because someone publishes a book it never meant they knew best, remember that phrase, those who can't - teach. 

    He devloped and ran Metaplace.com. He also doesn't exist in a vacuum and spends a lot of time consulting. Is it your contention that since you've played a lot of video games your personal view of game design and how the industry works is more valid than the experience of those who have been successfully working in the industry for 30 or so years? If so, don't worry, there's a lot of people here like that, so you're in good company. 

     

    You don't need an expert to coin a term. Everyone knows a very small number of players pay through the roof. It is not uncommon to name a customer segment. So he borrows the term from the gambling industry and it sticks.

    Why is his expertise relevant?

    Funny you are the only one that uses it here, and call  people that dont even buy from a cash shop a WHALE. Its kind of derogatory and yoiu should not use it. Since you dont know who spends money over the rest, calling someone who pays for a sub a whale is not only ignorant but childish all together.

     

    And for the record that term is stupid beyond belief being used in the gaming industry. Just saying.

    you are just wrong.

    First, i never call people a whale for paying a sub. That is NOT the defintiion. I have also never called a particular person a whale, since i do not know who is one.

    Secondly, i will use the term when it fits the meaning .. i.e. ... the few players who pays a lot more than the norm in a F2P game. Do you have another term for it?

    If you are so easier offended on the internet, it is your problem, not mine.

     

    No im not wrong, you have even called me a whale in a different post.

    Just because someone tries to be cool and coin a new phrase or term doesnt mean you need to use it. That term is derogatory and just stupid. Many here dislike that including myself.

    There are many terms for race, sex, culture, religion but just because they are around doesnt mean you have to use it.

    There is no term required for people that wish to pay for their entertainment, everyone pays at one point in life to someone.

    Its your way to by sly and insult someone, but nonetheless its a derogatory term.

    It's an industry standard slang for someone who pays a lot in F2P / Cash Shop games especially where there is no subscription.  They are "big" spenders, like a whale.  People who spend a lot in cash shops are referred to as whales.  There are a lot of industry terms with meanings that are less than cuddly.

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,671Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by spizz
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by steelheartx
    I'd pay $25 a month for a game that could keep me entralled for three or more years.

    Why should i do that when there are 20 games that can last me 3 month each, and they are all free?

    Why should someone play so many games ? 

    Who cares why? The point is that most players play games that way - console, PC or online. It's not because they're not engaging, it's just how most people play video games. As a result, $25 a month may work for you but there are very few you in the market. 

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  • AeliousAelious Portland, ORPosts: 2,854Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Boneserino
    Originally posted by Aelious
    In legitimately worried about a lot of the F2P games over the next few years. There are new, quality titles coming out that will either free (EQN) or sub (AA possibly) and wild cards such as ESO or Wildstar (not sure on model announcement).

    Each of these could chip away at the playerbases of every game but F2P titles are the most vulnerable due to a smaller percentage supporting the game. I wonder how many titles will be closed or unsupported by 2015.

    Actually I would say that assumption is probably wrong.  The majority of the player base is likely playing for free.  Those that are paying are probably enjoying the game and are invested in playing it.

    However in sub based games there are probably lots of people thinking I am paying 15 a month and not really enjoying this game. Maybe it is time to switch.

    Each player lost in a sub based game is a paying one.  So a bigger proportion of paying players will likely be leaving the sub based game.

    All speculation of course, but I think my scenario makes as much sense as  the other, without conclusive evidence.

     

    Yeah I would say this is a huge assumption based on your personal outlook and opinion on subs.  I was keeping my personal opinion out.  I'm looking from the perpective of total revenue coming in to a company since there does need to be a revenue stream.

     

    Per your own words more people play free than sub (or purchase in CS) so when new games release F2P titles are at bigger risk for revenue loss because the free players are irrelevent and spenders a lot more impactful if lost.

     

    The biggest risk to current F2P games come with EQN.  It's a big IP and if it's a quality game not only will subs move but also free players.

  • OnomasOnomas Rock Hill, SCPosts: 1,128Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by Onomas
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Onomas
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by greenreen 

    These are the credits for the games he has been involved in listed on Wikipedia. I see few F2P listed there. What makes him an authority on the subject? His experience is mostly with just one company too. Just because someone publishes a book it never meant they knew best, remember that phrase, those who can't - teach. 

    He devloped and ran Metaplace.com. He also doesn't exist in a vacuum and spends a lot of time consulting. Is it your contention that since you've played a lot of video games your personal view of game design and how the industry works is more valid than the experience of those who have been successfully working in the industry for 30 or so years? If so, don't worry, there's a lot of people here like that, so you're in good company. 

     

    You don't need an expert to coin a term. Everyone knows a very small number of players pay through the roof. It is not uncommon to name a customer segment. So he borrows the term from the gambling industry and it sticks.

    Why is his expertise relevant?

    Funny you are the only one that uses it here, and call  people that dont even buy from a cash shop a WHALE. Its kind of derogatory and yoiu should not use it. Since you dont know who spends money over the rest, calling someone who pays for a sub a whale is not only ignorant but childish all together.

     

    And for the record that term is stupid beyond belief being used in the gaming industry. Just saying.

    oyou are just wrong.

    First, i never call people a whale for paying a sub. That is NOT the defintiion. I have also never called a particular person a whale, since i do not know who is one.

    Secondly, i will use the term when it fits the meaning .. i.e. ... the few players who pays a lot more than the norm in a F2P game. Do you have another term for it?

    If you arie so easier offended on the internet, it is your problem, not mine.

     

    No im not wrong, you have even called me a whale in a different post.

    Just because someone tries to be cool and coin a new phrase or term doesnt mean you need to use it. That term is derogatory and just stupid. Many here dislike that including myself.

    There are many terms for race, sex, culture, religion but just because they are around doesnt mean you have to use it.

    There is no term required for people that wish to pay for their entertainment, everyone pays at one point in life to someone.

    Its your way to by sly and insult someone, but nonetheless its a derogatory term.

    It's an industry standard slang for someone who pays a lot in F2P / Cash Shop games especially where there is no subscription.  They are "big" spenders, like a whale.  People who spend a lot in cash shops are referred to as whales.  There are a lot of industry terms with meanings that are less than cuddly.

    And that makes it less derogatory? Just because a rapper calls women the B word, its ok to label them all like that? Sorry but no go here. Terms are sometimes better not used. What if a poster was over weight and he called them a whale? Would kind of be insulting, yes? Again, its a sly way to insult someone. And that term isnt even a widely used here, its a gambling term coined by one guy and thats all of the sudden a industry term? Call them high rollers then, atleast thats not derogatory.

  • BoneserinoBoneserino London, ONPosts: 1,623Member Uncommon

    Aelious

    I really don't know, you may be right.  Just threw that out as neither of us have hard data to prove our case.

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  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,216Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Beatnik59
    Originally posted by Boneserino
    Originally posted by Aelious
    In legitimately worried about a lot of the F2P games over the next few years. There are new, quality titles coming out that will either free (EQN) or sub (AA possibly) and wild cards such as ESO or Wildstar (not sure on model announcement).

    Each of these could chip away at the playerbases of every game but F2P titles are the most vulnerable due to a smaller percentage supporting the game. I wonder how many titles will be closed or unsupported by 2015.

    Actually I would say that assumption is probably wrong.  The majority of the player base is likely playing for free.  Those that are paying are probably enjoying the game and are invested in playing it.

    However in sub based games there are probably lots of people thinking I am paying 15 a month and not really enjoying this game. Maybe it is time to switch.

    Each player lost in a sub based game is a paying one.  So a bigger proportion of paying players will likely be leaving the sub based game.

    All speculation of course, but I think my scenario makes as much sense as  the other, without conclusive evidence.

    I think the real problem isn't which model is more likely to be popular.  It's which model is more likely to close down in the short term.

    I think models will evolve and won't be so easily compartmentalized into the neat categories we used to have.  For one thing we really don't have a very pure sub model (monthly fee pays for everything including updates and xpacs) anymore.  I bet we could count the number of those still remaining on one hand.

    I think we'll see a few sub + cash shop and a few F2P + cash shop, but I think a lot more will adopt options like TSW did with B2P with a cash shop and optional premium account status with perks, or the GW2 B2P + cash shop since that recoups the box fee with the supplemental cash shop income.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,216Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Onomas
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by Onomas

    No im not wrong, you have even called me a whale in a different post.

    Just because someone tries to be cool and coin a new phrase or term doesnt mean you need to use it. That term is derogatory and just stupid. Many here dislike that including myself.

    There are many terms for race, sex, culture, religion but just because they are around doesnt mean you have to use it.

    There is no term required for people that wish to pay for their entertainment, everyone pays at one point in life to someone.

    Its your way to by sly and insult someone, but nonetheless its a derogatory term.

    It's an industry standard slang for someone who pays a lot in F2P / Cash Shop games especially where there is no subscription.  They are "big" spenders, like a whale.  People who spend a lot in cash shops are referred to as whales.  There are a lot of industry terms with meanings that are less than cuddly.

    And that makes it less derogatory? Just because a raper calls women the B word, its ok to label them all like that? Sorry but no go here. Terms are sometimes better not used. What if a poster was over weight and he called them a whale? Would kind of be insulting, yes? Again, its a sly way to insult someone. And that term isnt even a widely used here, its a gambling term coined by one guy and thats all of the sudden a industry term? Call them high rollers then, atleast thats not derogatory.

    The term whale describes buying habbits of an individual as they relate to online gaming.  It doesn't qualify their character.  The term is not inherently derogatory and only is only offensive in your mnd.  To compare the concept to rape is asinine and out of line.

    If you don't like the term report the users and file a complaint with the industry.  They're currently working on how to eradicate truly derogatory terms like leechers, moochers, and scum that the P2P proponants use to describe F2P players.  Pot meet kettle.

  • strangiato2112strangiato2112 Richmond, VAPosts: 1,538Member Common
    Originally posted by Aelious

    The biggest risk to current F2P games come with EQN.  It's a big IP and if it's a quality game not only will subs move but also free players.

    There i a lot of time between now and EQN's release.

    Smedley has said that the future is f2p, but then he also thought the future was themepark at one point.  And he was correct both times, but that was immediate future.  If there is a clear shift in demand by the time that EQN is ready don't be surprised if EQN is a sub game.

  • OnomasOnomas Rock Hill, SCPosts: 1,128Member Uncommon
    Who said anything about rape? Thats not even a subject to even joke about. Whats wrong with you?
  • KingJigglyKingJiggly Simpsonville, SCPosts: 777Member
    Originally posted by Onomas
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by Onomas
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Onomas
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by greenreen 

    These are the credits for the games he has been involved in listed on Wikipedia. I see few F2P listed there. What makes him an authority on the subject? His experience is mostly with just one company too. Just because someone publishes a book it never meant they knew best, remember that phrase, those who can't - teach. 

    He devloped and ran Metaplace.com. He also doesn't exist in a vacuum and spends a lot of time consulting. Is it your contention that since you've played a lot of video games your personal view of game design and how the industry works is more valid than the experience of those who have been successfully working in the industry for 30 or so years? If so, don't worry, there's a lot of people here like that, so you're in good company. 

     

    You don't need an expert to coin a term. Everyone knows a very small number of players pay through the roof. It is not uncommon to name a customer segment. So he borrows the term from the gambling industry and it sticks.

    Why is his expertise relevant?

    Funny you are the only one that uses it here, and call  people that dont even buy from a cash shop a WHALE. Its kind of derogatory and yoiu should not use it. Since you dont know who spends money over the rest, calling someone who pays for a sub a whale is not only ignorant but childish all together.

     

    And for the record that term is stupid beyond belief being used in the gaming industry. Just saying.

    you are just wrong.

    First, i never call people a whale for paying a sub. That is NOT the defintiion. I have also never called a particular person a whale, since i do not know who is one.

    Secondly, i will use the term when it fits the meaning .. i.e. ... the few players who pays a lot more than the norm in a F2P game. Do you have another term for it?

    If you are so easier offended on the internet, it is your problem, not mine.

     

    No im not wrong, you have even called me a whale in a different post.

    Just because someone tries to be cool and coin a new phrase or term doesnt mean you need to use it. That term is derogatory and just stupid. Many here dislike that including myself.

    There are many terms for race, sex, culture, religion but just because they are around doesnt mean you have to use it.

    There is no term required for people that wish to pay for their entertainment, everyone pays at one point in life to someone.

    Its your way to by sly and insult someone, but nonetheless its a derogatory term.

    It's an industry standard slang for someone who pays a lot in F2P / Cash Shop games especially where there is no subscription.  They are "big" spenders, like a whale.  People who spend a lot in cash shops are referred to as whales.  There are a lot of industry terms with meanings that are less than cuddly.

    And that makes it less derogatory? Just because a raper calls women the B word, its ok to label them all like that? Sorry but no go here. Terms are sometimes better not used. What if a poster was over weight and he called them a whale? Would kind of be insulting, yes? Again, its a sly way to insult someone. And that term isnt even a widely used here, its a gambling term coined by one guy and thats all of the sudden a industry term? Call them high rollers then, atleast thats not derogatory.

    Lol, it isnt an insult... It is a term to refer to big cash shop spenders... Get over yourself.

  • KingJigglyKingJiggly Simpsonville, SCPosts: 777Member
    Originally posted by Onomas
    Who said anything about rape? Thats not even a subject to even joke about. Whats wrong with you?

    You did:

    "And that makes it less derogatory? Just because a raper calls women the B word, its ok to label them all like that? Sorry but no go here. Terms are sometimes better not used. What if a poster was over weight and he called them a whale? Would kind of be insulting, yes? Again, its a sly way to insult someone. And that term isnt even a widely used here, its a gambling term coined by one guy and thats all of the sudden a industry term? Call them high rollers then, atleast thats not derogatory."

  • spizzspizz BlackForrestPosts: 2,587Member
    Originally posted by Boneserino
    Originally posted by Aelious
    In legitimately worried about a lot of the F2P games over the next few years. There are new, quality titles coming out that will either free (EQN) or sub (AA possibly) and wild cards such as ESO or Wildstar (not sure on model announcement).

    Each of these could chip away at the playerbases of every game but F2P titles are the most vulnerable due to a smaller percentage supporting the game. I wonder how many titles will be closed or unsupported by 2015.

    Actually I would say that assumption is probably wrong.  The majority of the player base is likely playing for free.  Those that are paying are probably enjoying the game and are invested in playing it.

    However in sub based games there are probably lots of people thinking I am paying 15 a month and not really enjoying this game. Maybe it is time to switch.

    Each player lost in a sub based game is a paying one.  So a bigger proportion of paying players will likely be leaving the sub based game.

    All speculation of course, but I think my scenario makes as much sense as  the other, without conclusive evidence.

     

    For some games a free to play game leads to a playerbase which are not dedicated to the game. The community suffers from it,  the gameplay and pvp, since you will have players who will play the game more superficial. Because you never really quit in free to play games since there is no sub, you draw attention to all kind of people, you draw more attention to hackers and exploiters. In general the quality of the playerbase itself gets weaken.

    But in both cases there are players who invest into the games. In sub games, all of them invest with their monthly fee and in free to play games only a lower percentage will do. Both will think about if they enjoy a game and invest more in the future or just leave. Each paying player in a free to play  is the core of the income of the game and the whole game is directed with the aim to get as many as possible customer, the "free to play" just draws attention as a marketing instrument and a lot of the development and game content is directed towards the ingame cash shop. Wheras the games with a monthly sub have their development concentrated on pure gameplay content and possible further expansions.

    This is the big difference and the quality of the content plays a role here. F2P is for sure not doing good for the gaming community or improving games and creative content you wish for.

  • ScarfeScarfe londonPosts: 281Member
    Originally posted by KingJiggly
    Originally posted by Onomas
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by Onomas
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Onomas
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by greenreen 

    These are the credits for the games he has been involved in listed on Wikipedia. I see few F2P listed there. What makes him an authority on the subject? His experience is mostly with just one company too. Just because someone publishes a book it never meant they knew best, remember that phrase, those who can't - teach. 

    He devloped and ran Metaplace.com. He also doesn't exist in a vacuum and spends a lot of time consulting. Is it your contention that since you've played a lot of video games your personal view of game design and how the industry works is more valid than the experience of those who have been successfully working in the industry for 30 or so years? If so, don't worry, there's a lot of people here like that, so you're in good company. 

     

    You don't need an expert to coin a term. Everyone knows a very small number of players pay through the roof. It is not uncommon to name a customer segment. So he borrows the term from the gambling industry and it sticks.

    Why is his expertise relevant?

    Funny you are the only one that uses it here, and call  people that dont even buy from a cash shop a WHALE. Its kind of derogatory and yoiu should not use it. Since you dont know who spends money over the rest, calling someone who pays for a sub a whale is not only ignorant but childish all together.

     

    And for the record that term is stupid beyond belief being used in the gaming industry. Just saying.

    you are just wrong.

    First, i never call people a whale for paying a sub. That is NOT the defintiion. I have also never called a particular person a whale, since i do not know who is one.

    Secondly, i will use the term when it fits the meaning .. i.e. ... the few players who pays a lot more than the norm in a F2P game. Do you have another term for it?

    If you are so easier offended on the internet, it is your problem, not mine.

     

    No im not wrong, you have even called me a whale in a different post.

    Just because someone tries to be cool and coin a new phrase or term doesnt mean you need to use it. That term is derogatory and just stupid. Many here dislike that including myself.

    There are many terms for race, sex, culture, religion but just because they are around doesnt mean you have to use it.

    There is no term required for people that wish to pay for their entertainment, everyone pays at one point in life to someone.

    Its your way to by sly and insult someone, but nonetheless its a derogatory term.

    It's an industry standard slang for someone who pays a lot in F2P / Cash Shop games especially where there is no subscription.  They are "big" spenders, like a whale.  People who spend a lot in cash shops are referred to as whales.  There are a lot of industry terms with meanings that are less than cuddly.

    And that makes it less derogatory? Just because a raper calls women the B word, its ok to label them all like that? Sorry but no go here. Terms are sometimes better not used. What if a poster was over weight and he called them a whale? Would kind of be insulting, yes? Again, its a sly way to insult someone. And that term isnt even a widely used here, its a gambling term coined by one guy and thats all of the sudden a industry term? Call them high rollers then, atleast thats not derogatory.

    Lol, it isnt an insult... It is a term to refer to big cash shop spenders... Get over yourself.

    I think some people actively try to feel insulted at every possible opportunity. 

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  • ArakaneArakane Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 200Member Uncommon

     

     

      Regarding the op's thoughts/opinion , while I do understand where you are "coming from", In my opinion, those 15 dollar subs are perfectly fine. Is it a gamble for us as consumers ? of course but I have to say that ftp is not a model that I care for. In some instances the game company goes insane with their little cash-shops, look at sw:tor for instance. Also,the thrust of the game devs about the game changes from how to keep adding great content,to,what can I add to make more money, which I think is ultimately bad for games and gamers.

  • MMOExposedMMOExposed lalal land, DCPosts: 6,257Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Praetalus
    Originally posted by MMOExposed
    Originally posted by Fearum
    If gaming is your hobby and the game is worth 15$ a month it is fine. If you bitch about it being too much your either playing a shitty game or your just a cheap bastard and need to find a new hobby. I doubt there is cheaper hobby out there.

    thats not really the point.

    Example:

    if the total number of MMO on the market was ==1.

    And the sub fee was 15$ a month.

    Well paying 15$ a month grants you access to 100% of all MMO.

     

    Now if we keep the same sub fee cost, but increase the number of total MMO on the market to 5.

    Playing 15$ a month only grants me access to 20% of all MMO.

     

    Increase the total number of MMO again to 10.

    And 15$ a month only gets me access to 10% of all MMO.

     

    As we go on, the total number of MMO keep going up, but the price still remains the same. So at some point, most of the MMO will fall off the list, as we can see this more often today with so much MMO inflation.

     

    The prices have to drop, or place a halt on the number of total MMO on the market. One has to give out for the other. Which would you rather have?

    Wow... fuzzy math to it's finest. It's also flawed logic. Your $15 a month grants you access to %100 of each game. Do you understand how insane what you said sounds? That's like me saying that I'm eating at 5 restuarants today cause I feel like it and wanting them to lower the price on the menu as I'll only get to enjoy one meal fully. You pay the full price for the games and how you break it down is up to you and your available time. 

     

     

    no you just didnt read.

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  • XthosXthos Columbus, OHPosts: 2,628Member
    Originally posted by strangiato2112
    Originally posted by Aelious

    The biggest risk to current F2P games come with EQN.  It's a big IP and if it's a quality game not only will subs move but also free players.

    There i a lot of time between now and EQN's release.

    Smedley has said that the future is f2p, but then he also thought the future was themepark at one point.  And he was correct both times, but that was immediate future.  If there is a clear shift in demand by the time that EQN is ready don't be surprised if EQN is a sub game.

    I hope EQN is a sub game.

  • spizzspizz BlackForrestPosts: 2,587Member

    The new generation mmos with an ingame cash shop and "free to play" models have a different aim on developing a game.

    The conventionel mmorpgs with a sub where developers did invest all their effort into the gameplay content did create games/mmorpgs with the aim to offer a high quality game that their customer are satisified and stick with the game for longer.

    Now in a f2p game, the developer invest a lot of time to adjust their gameplay content with the ingame shop and at the end a game is not anymore purely developed to satisfy the players but to get as many players buying stuff in their shop. The game development itself did change into a pure cash instrument and the former concentrations on game quality development suffers.

  • XthosXthos Columbus, OHPosts: 2,628Member
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by spizz
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by steelheartx
    I'd pay $25 a month for a game that could keep me entralled for three or more years.

    Why should i do that when there are 20 games that can last me 3 month each, and they are all free?

    Why should someone play so many games ? 

    Who cares why? The point is that most players play games that way - console, PC or online. It's not because they're not engaging, it's just how most people play video games. As a result, $25 a month may work for you but there are very few you in the market. 

    I have seen no evidence to support this statement.  I do not know of anyone personally that plays 10 games or so at a time, that the OP of this was talking about.   Also, MMOs traditionally offer more updates, content, and take more infrastructure to provide quality service to people, so I play plants vs. zombies or angry birds, and try to put a AAA MMO on the same level of discussion of that or farmville is flawed to begin with imo.

     

    Some non-MMO games do have support systems, online responsibilities and more things, like a MMO, but a lot of stuff doesn't.  A discussion should involve games that are comparible, when it comes to fees, as Madden football does not traditionally have a free, where as MMOs do, they are not the same.

     

    I would counter that a lot of current MMOs are shallow, and do not have quality systems in place for retention, verse the majority of gamers have gamer ADD, so every game should be made to have a short shelf life for players.

     

  • dave6660dave6660 New York, NYPosts: 2,543Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by AlBQuirky

    Didn't vote. Not a choice I liked.

    What's wrong with old school?

    Many posters enjoy using the "Appeal to Novelty" argument.

    “There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.”
    -- Herman Melville

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Onomas
     

    No im not wrong, you have even called me a whale in a different post.

    Just because someone tries to be cool and coin a new phrase or term doesnt mean you need to use it. That term is derogatory and just stupid. Many here dislike that including myself.

    There are many terms for race, sex, culture, religion but just because they are around doesnt mean you have to use it.

    There is no term required for people that wish to pay for their entertainment, everyone pays at one point in life to someone.

    Its your way to by sly and insult someone, but nonetheless its a derogatory term.

    Are you a whale? Did you spend much more than average in a F2P game? If the definition fit, then you are one, whether i call you or not.

    Just like i free-ride on F2P game.

    If you have such a thin skin, it is your problem.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Scarfe
    Originally posted by KingJiggly
     

    Lol, it isnt an insult... It is a term to refer to big cash shop spenders... Get over yourself.

    I think some people actively try to feel insulted at every possible opportunity. 

    Yeah .. i think i will just ignore them, and use clearly defined industry terms like whales as i see fit.

  • spizzspizz BlackForrestPosts: 2,587Member
    If this is so oldschool, I wonder if they have a "free to use" apartement already with  "free to use" electricity and most all the stuff you pay for in general instead of having a monthly "sub".
  • WhiteLanternWhiteLantern Nevada, MOPosts: 2,732Member Common

    Whale is a term that has been used in the Casino/Gambling world forever. For those offended, get over yourselves.

     

    /boggled

    I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

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