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  • theoneandonlytheoneandonly londonPosts: 102Member
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by theoneandonly
    Originally posted by xAPOCx

    Sub + Cash Shop

    Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

    AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

    Well he's got a Korean pop star dancing on Obi-Wan Kenobi's table.  What do you expect?

    A sub is a deal breaker for me.  I'm not renting limited access to games anymore.  None of them are worth that to me.

    I feel a bit sorry for the western gamer in general. Modern sandbox need a team. Team need dedication. In past years west gamer was fed with money grabing subscribtion based themepark MMO like games with cash shop.Nothig else i can say.

  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Vineland, NJPosts: 869Member
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by theoneandonly
    Originally posted by xAPOCx

    Sub + Cash Shop

    Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

    AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

    Well he's got a Korean pop star dancing on Obi-Wan Kenobi's table.  What do you expect?

    A sub is a deal breaker for me.  I'm not renting limited access to games anymore.  None of them are worth that to me.

    I think iv said this in another post before but ill say it again here. Im very VERY glad AA will have a sub. It will insure that i wont have to play with people like you.

    EDIT: *rude comment*

    If you have no interest in sub based games then i guess its time to move on then.

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  • GinazGinaz Calgary, ABPosts: 1,731Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by theoneandonly
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by theoneandonly
    Originally posted by xAPOCx

    Sub + Cash Shop

    Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

    AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

    Well he's got a Korean pop star dancing on Obi-Wan Kenobi's table.  What do you expect?

    A sub is a deal breaker for me.  I'm not renting limited access to games anymore.  None of them are worth that to me.

    I feel a bit sorry for the western gamer in general. Modern sandbox need a team. Team need dedication. In past years west gamer was fed with money grabing subscribtion based themepark MMO like games with cash shop.Nothig else i can say.

    Really?  Because I feel sorry for Asian gamers having to put with the endless of amounts of crap that they're fed by Asian developers.  I have yet to play an Asian MMO that is worth a damn.

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  • theoneandonlytheoneandonly londonPosts: 102Member
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    Originally posted by theoneandonly
    Originally posted by xAPOCx

    Sub + Cash Shop

     

    Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

    AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

    LOL wasnt ment as an insult. Im very much looking forward to AA.

     its ok. its just a discussion. Everyone enttitled to an opinion.

  • theoneandonlytheoneandonly londonPosts: 102Member
    Originally posted by Ginaz
    Originally posted by theoneandonly
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by theoneandonly
    Originally posted by xAPOCx

    Sub + Cash Shop

    Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

    AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

    Well he's got a Korean pop star dancing on Obi-Wan Kenobi's table.  What do you expect?

    A sub is a deal breaker for me.  I'm not renting limited access to games anymore.  None of them are worth that to me.

    I feel a bit sorry for the western gamer in general. Modern sandbox need a team. Team need dedication. In past years west gamer was fed with money grabing subscribtion based themepark MMO like games with cash shop.Nothig else i can say.

    Really?  Because I feel sorry for Asian gamers having to put with the endless of amounts of crap that they're fed by Asian developers.  I have yet to play an Asian MMO that is worth a damn.

    Your signiture is the best example of modern MMO developed for the west.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,211Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by theoneandonly
    Originally posted by xAPOCx

    Sub + Cash Shop

    Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

    AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

    Well he's got a Korean pop star dancing on Obi-Wan Kenobi's table.  What do you expect?

    A sub is a deal breaker for me.  I'm not renting limited access to games anymore.  None of them are worth that to me.

    I think iv said this in another post before but ill say it again here. Im very VERY glad AA will have a sub. It will insure that i wont have to play with people like you.

    EDIT: *rude comment*

    If you have no interest in sub based games then i guess its time to move on then.

    Interesting that you had to be so obnoxious and rude.  I'm not sure why you're so threatened by those who have a different view from yours.  Anway, I guess I'm glad I won't have to game with you either.  I doubt I'm really missing out.

    Oh, and I'll give my feedback in the discussion any time I damn well please and you and those like you will just have to deal with it.  I'm not "moving on" or "shutting up".  Believe it or not, I'm not alone and it seems those of us who like sub-free gaming options have some financial muscle.  Notice TSW offers a sub-free option now.  Expect this changing business model to evolve and become more pervasive if games want to survive.

    It will be interesting to see in the coming couple of years if the staunch sub-only crowd is large enough to support that business model anymore.  I doubt it, but we'll see.

  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Vineland, NJPosts: 869Member
    Originally posted by Ginaz
    Originally posted by theoneandonly
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by theoneandonly
    Originally posted by xAPOCx

    Sub + Cash Shop

    Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

    AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

    Well he's got a Korean pop star dancing on Obi-Wan Kenobi's table.  What do you expect?

    A sub is a deal breaker for me.  I'm not renting limited access to games anymore.  None of them are worth that to me.

    I feel a bit sorry for the western gamer in general. Modern sandbox need a team. Team need dedication. In past years west gamer was fed with money grabing subscribtion based themepark MMO like games with cash shop.Nothig else i can say.

    Really?  Because I feel sorry for Asian gamers having to put with the endless of amounts of crap that they're fed by Asian developers.  I have yet to play an Asian MMO that is worth a damn.

    Are you Asian?

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  • PsychoPigeonPsychoPigeon UnkownPosts: 565Member Uncommon
    Another game to avoid then. I avoid anything that has a cash shop or a monthly fee. I want everything free, I'm also a socialist.
  • theoneandonlytheoneandonly londonPosts: 102Member
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by theoneandonly
    Originally posted by xAPOCx

    Sub + Cash Shop

    Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

    AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

    Well he's got a Korean pop star dancing on Obi-Wan Kenobi's table.  What do you expect?

    A sub is a deal breaker for me.  I'm not renting limited access to games anymore.  None of them are worth that to me.

    I think iv said this in another post before but ill say it again here. Im very VERY glad AA will have a sub. It will insure that i wont have to play with people like you.

    EDIT: *rude comment*

    If you have no interest in sub based games then i guess its time to move on then.

    Interesting that you had to be so obnoxious and rude.  I'm not sure why you're so threatened by those who have a different view from yours.  Anway, I guess I'm glad I won't have to game with you either.  I doubt I'm really missing out.

    Oh, and I'll give my feedback in the discussion any time I damn well please and you and those like you will just have to deal with it.  I'm not "moving on" or "shutting up".  Believe it or not, I'm not alone and it seems those of us who like sub-free gaming options have some financial muscle.  Notice TSW offers a sub-free option now.  Expect this changing business model to evolve and become more pervasive if games want to survive.

    It will be interesting to see in the coming couple of years if the staunch sub-only crowd is large enough to support that business model anymore.  I doubt it, but we'll see.

    There r 3 types of gamer.

    Dedicated

    Casuals

    Just to play and forget.

    TSW is Casual. AA is dedicated. Diffrent game for diffrent crowd.

  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Vineland, NJPosts: 869Member
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by theoneandonly
    Originally posted by xAPOCx

    Sub + Cash Shop

    Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

    AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

    Well he's got a Korean pop star dancing on Obi-Wan Kenobi's table.  What do you expect?

    A sub is a deal breaker for me.  I'm not renting limited access to games anymore.  None of them are worth that to me.

    I think iv said this in another post before but ill say it again here. Im very VERY glad AA will have a sub. It will insure that i wont have to play with people like you.

    EDIT: *rude comment*

    If you have no interest in sub based games then i guess its time to move on then.

    Interesting that you had to be so obnoxious and rude.  I'm not sure why you're so threatened by those who have a different view from yours.  Anway, I guess I'm glad I won't have to game with you either.  I doubt I'm really missing out.

    Oh, and I'll give my feedback in the discussion any time I damn well please and you and those like you will just have to deal with it.  I'm not "moving on" or "shutting up".  Believe it or not, I'm not alone and it seems those of us who like sub-free gaming options have some financial muscle.  Notice TSW offers a sub-free option now.  Expect this changing business model to evolve and become more pervasive if games want to survive.

    It will be interesting to see in the coming couple of years if the staunch sub-only crowd is large enough to support that business model anymore.  I doubt it, but we'll see.

    LOL the interweb muscles are big with you arent they?

    The real reason your seeing alot of f2p games are the current crop of MMOs are so shity they arent worth a sub. All you want to do is game jump. Thats who you are. And thats fine if thats the type of player you are. But thats not the type od player i am. I want to spend my time playing one main game.

    If the day comes that ALL MMOs adopt the f2p model then ill know that my time playing MMOs are over and its time to move on. Only time will tell.

    Very glad we will not have to inhabit the same game. P2P4LIFE!

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  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Vineland, NJPosts: 869Member
    Originally posted by theoneandonly
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by theoneandonly
    Originally posted by xAPOCx

    Sub + Cash Shop

    Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

    AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

    Well he's got a Korean pop star dancing on Obi-Wan Kenobi's table.  What do you expect?

    A sub is a deal breaker for me.  I'm not renting limited access to games anymore.  None of them are worth that to me.

    I think iv said this in another post before but ill say it again here. Im very VERY glad AA will have a sub. It will insure that i wont have to play with people like you.

    EDIT: *rude comment*

    If you have no interest in sub based games then i guess its time to move on then.

    Interesting that you had to be so obnoxious and rude.  I'm not sure why you're so threatened by those who have a different view from yours.  Anway, I guess I'm glad I won't have to game with you either.  I doubt I'm really missing out.

    Oh, and I'll give my feedback in the discussion any time I damn well please and you and those like you will just have to deal with it.  I'm not "moving on" or "shutting up".  Believe it or not, I'm not alone and it seems those of us who like sub-free gaming options have some financial muscle.  Notice TSW offers a sub-free option now.  Expect this changing business model to evolve and become more pervasive if games want to survive.

    It will be interesting to see in the coming couple of years if the staunch sub-only crowd is large enough to support that business model anymore.  I doubt it, but we'll see.

    There r 3 types of gamer.

    Dedicated

    Casuals

    Just to play and forget.

    TSW is Casual. AA is dedicated. Diffrent game for diffrent crowd.

    Yep i fall under the Dedicated tab.
    Will not waist my time with game jumpers.

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  • DaxamarDaxamar Green Cove Springs, FLPosts: 554Member

    Ok, can we get back on topic. :)

    I dont see anywhere on my searches what will be available on there cash shop that makes poeple hate the cash shop so much. Still looking tho!

    Im looking forward to this game, by the way.

  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Vineland, NJPosts: 869Member
    Originally posted by PsychoPigeon
    Another game to avoid then. I avoid anything that has a cash shop or a monthly fee. I want everything free, I'm also a socialist.

    I cant tell if this is sarcasm or not since its coming from you.

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  • ZetsueiZetsuei Dana, KYPosts: 252Member

    I don't understand you guys who say if the cash shop is like WoW it will be fine. You're paying $15 to access and play the game, so you like being ripped off by paying MORE for items that should be freely included into the game? I just don't get you people.

    As for this news, the game will be DOA if it comes to US with that model. Sandbox is already niche, sub will turn off a good deal of players, sub and cash shop will turn off a lot more. So I would be really surprised if it didn't come here with a different model. At this point in MMOs games need to aim for GW2 style payment model. Box price + purely convience items you can buy with in-game money.

  • RizelStarRizelStar Raleigh, NCPosts: 2,773Member
    Originally posted by Cecropia
    Originally posted by Xirik
    That is the pricing they have set for S.Korea. Not for when they decide to bring the game over to the west.  Yes there is a chance that it will be the same model here but remains PURE speculation.

    Hopefully the cash shop doesn't cross the ocean, otherwise I won't even give this title a second glance. Here's to hoping image

    Same.

    I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.

    I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.

    P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

    Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

  • YalexyYalexy BerlinPosts: 1,053Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Zetsuei

    As for this news, the game will be DOA if it comes to US with that model. Sandbox is already niche, sub will turn off a good deal of players, sub and cash shop will turn off a lot more. So I would be really surprised if it didn't come here with a different model. At this point in MMOs games need to aim for GW2 style payment model. Box price + purely convience items you can buy with in-game money.


    Wrong.

    A MMO with lots of sandbox-elements and FFA-PvP needs a pure subscription model, where they may be a cashshop with pure vanity-items (clothes, etc).
    This is the only way to level the playing-field, especially when it comes to open world FFA-PvP and territorial conquest.

  • PsychoPigeonPsychoPigeon UnkownPosts: 565Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Zetsuei

    I don't understand you guys who say if the cash shop is like WoW it will be fine. You're paying $15 to access and play the game, so you like being ripped off by paying MORE for items that should be freely included into the game? I just don't get you people.

    As for this news, the game will be DOA if it comes to US with that model. Sandbox is already niche, sub will turn off a good deal of players, sub and cash shop will turn off a lot more. So I would be really surprised if it didn't come here with a different model. At this point in MMOs games need to aim for GW2 style payment model. Box price + purely convience items you can buy with in-game money.

     

    1. This isn't a sandbox game, this is what average people expect from an MMO plus the freedom to sail around the world and siege, plus take territory.

    2. No it won't 'die' because the game has a monthly fee plus cash shop for cosmetics, plenty of MMOs do it.

    3. GW2 is theme park as it gets and can only survive with more theme park addons. ArcheAge plans to have a long lasting 'end game' rather than sitting at max level waiting for the next expansion.

  • hockeyplayrhockeyplayr Middlesex, NJPosts: 604Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by PieRad

    They'll put in as much as they can to grab your money...

     

    Even Runescape is grabbing peoples money now with squeel of fortune.

    "Get 1-2 spins per day, but you can always buy more! :D"  

    Gee, thanks!

     

     

    Expect every game coming out to be all about getting your cc out of your wallet.

     

    We all know, F2P is the best option for us gamers! :D it cost more, but you decide when and what to buy... weeee! We're so lucky!

     

    Start with 10 inventory slots, and 10 bank slots, it's so cool, love to pay for the simple stuff, makes my gametime so much more enjoyable!

     

    And paying for 50 things, instead of finding/unlocking them with time-played in those pesky P2P games, is so much more fun.. Cause we all have jobs you know, we don't have time to play video games!

     

     

     

     

    when i checked back on runescape a couple months ago to see what changed.  The cash shop wasn't intrusive at all.  It was literally all cosmetic.  And someone did a test buying 100 squeal spins and got nothing but junk, thus wasting money.  The chances of getting something like 200m off of it are so slim that it isn't gamebreaking at all  

  • Grotar89Grotar89 beograd, CAPosts: 343Member
    Originally posted by PsychoPigeon

    1. This isn't a sandbox game, this is what average people expect from an MMO plus the freedom to sail around the world and siege, plus take territory.

    2. No it won't 'die' because the game has a monthly fee plus cash shop for cosmetics, plenty of MMOs do it.

    3. GW2 is theme park as it gets and can only survive with more theme park addons. ArcheAge plans to have a long lasting 'end game' rather than sitting at max level waiting for the next expansion.

    2, Really ? Name them plz...

    3. And what do they/you consider under ''long lasting'' end game?

  • A.BlacklochA.Blackloch NexusPosts: 831Member

    The funny thing is, everyone b*tching about the subscription and cash shop here is still going to buy the game, pay the sub and buy that silly hat from the cash shop. There's no need for that "Oh another game to avoid" -play since no one believes or cares anyway.

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  • PieRadPieRad Odense MPosts: 1,108Member
    Originally posted by hockeyplayr
    Originally posted by PieRad

    They'll put in as much as they can to grab your money...

     

    Even Runescape is grabbing peoples money now with squeel of fortune.

    "Get 1-2 spins per day, but you can always buy more! :D"  

    Gee, thanks!

     

     

    Expect every game coming out to be all about getting your cc out of your wallet.

     

    We all know, F2P is the best option for us gamers! :D it cost more, but you decide when and what to buy... weeee! We're so lucky!

     

    Start with 10 inventory slots, and 10 bank slots, it's so cool, love to pay for the simple stuff, makes my gametime so much more enjoyable!

     

    And paying for 50 things, instead of finding/unlocking them with time-played in those pesky P2P games, is so much more fun.. Cause we all have jobs you know, we don't have time to play video games!

     

     

     

     

    when i checked back on runescape a couple months ago to see what changed.  The cash shop wasn't intrusive at all.  It was literally all cosmetic.  And someone did a test buying 100 squeal spins and got nothing but junk, thus wasting money.  The chances of getting something like 200m off of it are so slim that it isn't gamebreaking at all  

     

    Gambling isn't intrusive?

    The poor chance of actually getting something doesn't help the situation, this is how gambling works.

    Pay real money, for a chance to get a prize, in this case xp, items, gold... This sh*t doesn't belong in mmo's.

     

     

    Once we had to buy a box, and pay a sub, but we got everything, and everything the developers released was given to you. (except big expansions)

    Now they implement mechanics / "features", designed to get you to reach for your cc, IN A GAME.

     

    It's greed, and it's done just because they can, the community as a whole just accepts it.

    "Wow, it's FREE TO PLAY? Let me get some of that!... Oh, You have to buy inv slots? Oh that's fine, I like to support you guys... Oh you have to buy bank slots? Oh that's fine, I like to support you guys.... Oh you have to buy a costume to look different? Oh that's fine, I like to support you guys." etc. etc. etc.

    Before you know it, you've spent $xxx in order to enjoy the game.

     

    A GAME... *shakes head*

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  • ScalplessScalpless SnowballvillePosts: 1,396Member Uncommon
    I don't have a problem with sub fees, especially in good sandbox games, but the CS must lack be very basic for me to even consider trying this. No Wushu-style dubious crap.
  • LlexXLlexX HungaryPosts: 197Member

    Why are you guys so concerned about the payment system in Korea? Its not like we gonna be playing there...

    It has a P2P+CS so what... in China Tencent will launch it with a F2P system. Who knows which one will we get in the west...

  • TsaboHavocTsaboHavoc PinheiralPosts: 351Member
    Originally posted by Zetsuei

    I don't understand you guys who say if the cash shop is like WoW it will be fine. You're paying $15 to access and play the game, so you like being ripped off by paying MORE for items that should be freely included into the game? I just don't get you people.

    As for this news, the game will be DOA if it comes to US with that model. Sandbox is already niche, sub will turn off a good deal of players, sub and cash shop will turn off a lot more. So I would be really surprised if it didn't come here with a different model. At this point in MMOs games need to aim for GW2 style payment model. Box price + purely convience items you can buy with in-game money.

    i dont get it too, its just mindblowing (no sarcarsm).

  • YalexyYalexy BerlinPosts: 1,053Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Grotar89
    Originally posted by PsychoPigeon 1. This isn't a sandbox game, this is what average people expect from an MMO plus the freedom to sail around the world and siege, plus take territory. 2. No it won't 'die' because the game has a monthly fee plus cash shop for cosmetics, plenty of MMOs do it. 3. GW2 is theme park as it gets and can only survive with more theme park addons. ArcheAge plans to have a long lasting 'end game' rather than sitting at max level waiting for the next expansion.
    2, Really ? Name them plz...

    3. And what do they/you consider under ''long lasting'' end game?


    2. There would be WoW for example... you know, this really big MMO you might have heard of before.

    3. long lasting endgame = deep crafting-system, playerdriven economy, open world FFA-PvP and territorial conquest... you know, the stuff that's missing in 99% of the MMOs currently available.

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