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  • stromp45stromp45 willamsburg, OHPosts: 156Member Uncommon
    IM fine with 15 bucks a month for a good game and i have no problem with them putting in a fluff cash shop in any game . i like the idea if i want to buy a zebra striped suit it waer to killing the next mob i can . and all you whiners saying oh a cash shop its awful get over it i dont know a single game that doesnt have some kinda of cash shop from wow to hello kitty !!!!!!
  • VesaviusVesavius BristolPosts: 7,645Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by hardicon

    sub fee was never a problem.  if the game was worth the sub fee people would pay it. 

     

    This.

    A cash shop F2P model has never made a game better or more worth your time IMO, and to the OP with your $5 idea... I am tired of the 'I wanna play 4 games at the same time until I get bored and move on to the next batch' ADHD super transients dictating the revenue model in this industry.

     

    The truth is that some freeloader that is too tight to pay $15 for something he enjoys won't pay $5 for it either. They just want a free ride at the expense of others in a game thats just something to do while they wait for the next one.

     

    Gah... the 4 MMORPGs at a time crowd... These people contribute *nothing* to the industry past showing up. I can't see any of them wanting to pay any money at all, even $5, in all honesty.

     

    Also, if you are not enoying the MMO you are in enough to think it is worth around £2.50/week then it is my view you actually do not even obviously enjoy it that much in the first place and probably need to go find something else to invest your time into that you can love and have fun in.

    The way I see it is that if it's not worth my money, then why would it be worth my time (which is actually more valuable then the £2.50 a week by a long shot)?

  • VesaviusVesavius BristolPosts: 7,645Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by stromp45
    i dont know a single game that doesnt have some kinda of cash shop from wow to hello kitty !!!!!!

     

    And that justifies it how?

  • ChingoChingo Moonbase1Posts: 134Member Uncommon

    $15 already is $5 due to inflation. Games should be free as in beer with a few steaming piles of f2p here and there to attract the flies;)

  • coretex666coretex666 PraguePosts: 1,934Member Uncommon

    I am afraid you have it wrong, OP.

    I agree with the first part...15 USD / month is old school.

    But 5 USD / month is the future? I didnt realize goods and services were getting cheaper with time.

    If something, it is "25 USD / month is the future"...for some time. 35 USD / month then, and so on.

    Dont get fooled by tons of crappy games going F2P (or B2P as some people refer to F2P with box price). I believe that for quality games, P2P is still the most profitable option and I dont think its likely that the price will go down.

     

     

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  • ScottgunScottgun Williamsville, NYPosts: 356Member
    Having wandered 40 months in the desert of F2P, I'm ready to return to traditional $15 AAA mmorpgs. F2P is a bit like "Dollar Day" at my local zoo. All it does is overcrowd the venue with people whose hygiene can be described as inadequet.

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  • OziiusOziius Baltimore, MDPosts: 1,388Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MMOExposed
    Originally posted by Fearum
    If gaming is your hobby and the game is worth 15$ a month it is fine. If you bitch about it being too much your either playing a shitty game or your just a cheap bastard and need to find a new hobby. I doubt there is cheaper hobby out there.

    thats not really the point.

    Example:

    if the total number of MMO on the market was ==1.

    And the sub fee was 15$ a month.

    Well paying 15$ a month grants you access to 100% of all MMO.

     

    Now if we keep the same sub fee cost, but increase the number of total MMO on the market to 5.

    Playing 15$ a month only grants me access to 20% of all MMO.

     

    Increase the total number of MMO again to 10.

    And 15$ a month only gets me access to 10% of all MMO.

     

    As we go on, the total number of MMO keep going up, but the price still remains the same. So at some point, most of the MMO will fall off the list, as we can see this more often today with so much MMO inflation.

     

    The prices have to drop, or place a halt on the number of total MMO on the market. One has to give out for the other. Which would you rather have?

    Wow... fuzzy math to it's finest. It's also flawed logic. Your $15 a month grants you access to %100 of each game. Do you understand how insane what you said sounds? That's like me saying that I'm eating at 5 restuarants today cause I feel like it and wanting them to lower the price on the menu as I'll only get to enjoy one meal fully. You pay the full price for the games and how you break it down is up to you and your available time. 

     

    Just because you want to play all of the mmo's on the market doesn't mean the price should be lowered. Your main issue seems to be that you want to play all mmo's out at a given time but don't want to pay for them. 

  • stromp45stromp45 willamsburg, OHPosts: 156Member Uncommon
    im just saying its not bad to have a cash shop in a game its not like your forced to use it . If  i can get someone to spend money on a fake pair of boots to make there char look cooler id do it also .
  • dave6660dave6660 New York, NYPosts: 2,543Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by coretex666

    I am afraid you have it wrong, OP.

    I agree with the first part...15 USD / month is old school.

    But 5 USD / month is the future? I didnt realize goods and services were getting cheaper with time.

    If something, it is "25 USD / month is the future"...for some time. 35 USD / month then, and so on.

    Dont get fooled by tons of crappy games going F2P (or B2P as some people refer to F2P with box price). I believe that for quality games, P2P is still the most profitable option and I dont think its likely that the price will go down.

    According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics calculator, the $15 a month you paid in 2000 would be $20.05 today.

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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Boca Raton, FLPosts: 867Member Uncommon
    My game of choice has been holding at 10 USD per month / free trial and dl for 8 years now. There is also infinite free-to-play so long as you never leave the starter zone.

    I pay 160 USD for a 2 year subscription, a less expensive option in the same game. The only extra money I have spent on the game has been on a couple real t-shirts, a water bottle, coffee mug, and some guerilla advertising.

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  • coretex666coretex666 PraguePosts: 1,934Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by dave6660
    Originally posted by coretex666

    I am afraid you have it wrong, OP.

    I agree with the first part...15 USD / month is old school.

    But 5 USD / month is the future? I didnt realize goods and services were getting cheaper with time.

    If something, it is "25 USD / month is the future"...for some time. 35 USD / month then, and so on.

    Dont get fooled by tons of crappy games going F2P (or B2P as some people refer to F2P with box price). I believe that for quality games, P2P is still the most profitable option and I dont think its likely that the price will go down.

    According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics calculator, the $15 a month you paid in 2000 would be $20.05 today.

    The sub prices wont necessarily be increasing equally with the inflation, but if something, they will go up, in my opinion.

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  • dave6660dave6660 New York, NYPosts: 2,543Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by coretex666
    Originally posted by dave6660
    Originally posted by coretex666

    I am afraid you have it wrong, OP.

    I agree with the first part...15 USD / month is old school.

    But 5 USD / month is the future? I didnt realize goods and services were getting cheaper with time.

    If something, it is "25 USD / month is the future"...for some time. 35 USD / month then, and so on.

    Dont get fooled by tons of crappy games going F2P (or B2P as some people refer to F2P with box price). I believe that for quality games, P2P is still the most profitable option and I dont think its likely that the price will go down.

    According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics calculator, the $15 a month you paid in 2000 would be $20.05 today.

    The sub prices wont necessarily be increasing equally with the inflation, but if something, they will go up, in my opinion.

    I understand.  I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was just pointing out the statistics.

    Once the first major company in the game industry raises it's monthly sub fee everybody else will follow suit.

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  • CecropiaCecropia Posts: 3,472Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon

    There are already F2P, no sting attached MMOs. I am not sure what a $5 sub will accomplish.

    In fact, it is not the money, but the hassle of having a sub .. and feel like i am wasting money if i don't play. No commitment F2P solves that problem.

    Yes, 50 cents a day, what a fucking hassle and painful commitment image

    Personally, I'd much rather have a high quality P2P that keeps me coming back for more, than settle for some mediocre to subpar disposable "F2P" that relies on the unreliable by nature "whales".

     

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  • ConsequenceConsequence Lake Worth, FLPosts: 358Member

    I do not mean to be condescending, but I know this will come accross that way. If you find a game you like that costs $15 a month and you cannot afford that pricetag, then you should not be gaming. You should be out looking for a job. For the price of a movie you can spend hours every month playing a game. In fact, for a lot of us, it works out to a few cents per hour per month. If you cannot afford that, or are too young to be able to afford it, then you need to be either out job hunting and put your hobby on the backburner until you can, or go back to school and  make yourself more productive.

     

    Gaming is a luxury hobby. If you cannot afford that luxury, then you dont do it. I like Porches, but I cannot afford 1. Does that mean Porche should start selling them for less? No it means I should work harder to make more money.

     

    I see WAY to omany entitled gamers that want things for free neglecting to recognice that very simple fact of life...nothing is free.  

     

     

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 20,008Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Consequence

    I do not mean to be condescending, but I know this will come accross that way. If you find a game you like that costs $15 a month and you cannot afford that pricetag, then you should not be gaming. You should be out looking for a job. For the price of a movie you can spend hours every month playing a game. In fact, for a lot of us, it works out to a few cents per hour per month. If you cannot afford that, or are too young to be able to afford it, then you need to be either out job hunting and put your hobby on the backburner until you can, or go back to school and  make yourself more productive.

     

    Gaming is a luxury hobby. If you cannot afford that luxury, then you dont do it. I like Porches, but I cannot afford 1. Does that mean Porche should start selling them for less? No it means I should work harder to make more money.

     

    I see WAY to omany entitled gamers that want things for free neglecting to recognice that very simple fact of life...nothing is free.  

     

     

    Except, what if you want to play more than one MMORPG? 

    In my case I freely pay $45.00 a month for 3 subs to EVE, but what if I want to try another title or two.  That 15.00 a month can add up, where as if someone were to offer an older title like DAOC or AC1 at a discount rate like 5.00 a month, I might be encouraged to give it a go.

    I agree, you need to pay for quality games, but I can understand why some folks might want a lowered fee, perhaps based on a tier system like I recently saw for ArcheAge for players who want to limit their committment.

     

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  • ConsequenceConsequence Lake Worth, FLPosts: 358Member
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    Originally posted by Consequence

    I do not mean to be condescending, but I know this will come accross that way. If you find a game you like that costs $15 a month and you cannot afford that pricetag, then you should not be gaming. You should be out looking for a job. For the price of a movie you can spend hours every month playing a game. In fact, for a lot of us, it works out to a few cents per hour per month. If you cannot afford that, or are too young to be able to afford it, then you need to be either out job hunting and put your hobby on the backburner until you can, or go back to school and  make yourself more productive.

     

    Gaming is a luxury hobby. If you cannot afford that luxury, then you dont do it. I like Porches, but I cannot afford 1. Does that mean Porche should start selling them for less? No it means I should work harder to make more money.

     

    I see WAY to omany entitled gamers that want things for free neglecting to recognice that very simple fact of life...nothing is free.  

     

     

    Except, what if you want to play more than one MMORPG? 

    In my case I freely pay $45.00 a month for 3 subs to EVE, but what if I want to try another title or two.  That 15.00 a month can add up, where as if someone were to offer an older title like DAOC or AC1 at a discount rate like 5.00 a month, I might be encouraged to give it a go.

    I agree, you need to pay for quality games, but I can understand why some folks might want a lowered fee, perhaps based on a tier system like I recently saw for ArcheAge for players who want to limit their committment.

     

    You are missing my point entirely. 

     

    WANT has little to do with it. CAN has everything to do with it. If you want to play a game but cannot afford it, then too bad ,so sad. There is a great deal of humility in a person who wants but knows he cant have.

     

    You do not have a right to 3 subs to EVE. You may have the ability because you have enough cash. But you arent entitled to anything.

     

    This is what I am talking about tho, I find it hard to believe anyone who works hard for a living would take the attitude " I WANT to play multiple mmos and have multiple accounts so I should be able.  The reason I say this is becuase that is a spoiled childs way of thinking and not a working persons way of thinking.

  • skeaserskeaser Wichita Falls, TXPosts: 3,849Member Uncommon
    I still don't get the big fuss over $0.50 per day. I can't even get a soda for that much anymore.
  • OnomasOnomas Rock Hill, SCPosts: 1,128Member Uncommon

    15$ per month is nothing, thats 50 cents a day (30 cents if doing longer subs).

    lower sub fee or f2p = cash shop= eventualy going p2w = me and many others quitting.

    Sure f2p games are better for those without a job, young kids, and people on a tight budget, but the negatives far outweight the positives.

    F2P = limits, dont we have enough of those with the newer rash of bad games?

    Why should someone in game be able to do more and have more than you just because their wallet is fat? Sub game is a cheap 15/month and you have equal ground and able to gain just as much as the next person.

    PvP is rules by cash shops in some games, its ok to have a "god mode" because people think its bad to charge 15/month?

    Pay for extra inventory, pets, mounts, upgrades, housing, decor, etc.......... you end up spoending more in the long run unless you are a freeloader, but then you are gimped and will never get out of the game what a paying person would.

    Content, missions, dlc's, new items, dungeons, and so much more is b2p in the long run.

     

    Realy this is ok with you? Just to play the game free or cheap and not get 100% out of it? Why bother?

     

    Your f2p game experience will never be better than my paid game experience. I have yet to find a true f2p game. Even games like aion and tsw come close, but still they find ways to milk you. Games that are b2p like gw's is not truely free either their cash shop charges pretty hefty premiums.

  • vandal5627vandal5627 Jersey City, NJPosts: 586Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Consequence
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    Originally posted by Consequence

    I do not mean to be condescending, but I know this will come accross that way. If you find a game you like that costs $15 a month and you cannot afford that pricetag, then you should not be gaming. You should be out looking for a job. For the price of a movie you can spend hours every month playing a game. In fact, for a lot of us, it works out to a few cents per hour per month. If you cannot afford that, or are too young to be able to afford it, then you need to be either out job hunting and put your hobby on the backburner until you can, or go back to school and  make yourself more productive.

     

    Gaming is a luxury hobby. If you cannot afford that luxury, then you dont do it. I like Porches, but I cannot afford 1. Does that mean Porche should start selling them for less? No it means I should work harder to make more money.

     

    I see WAY to omany entitled gamers that want things for free neglecting to recognice that very simple fact of life...nothing is free.  

     

     

    Except, what if you want to play more than one MMORPG? 

    In my case I freely pay $45.00 a month for 3 subs to EVE, but what if I want to try another title or two.  That 15.00 a month can add up, where as if someone were to offer an older title like DAOC or AC1 at a discount rate like 5.00 a month, I might be encouraged to give it a go.

    I agree, you need to pay for quality games, but I can understand why some folks might want a lowered fee, perhaps based on a tier system like I recently saw for ArcheAge for players who want to limit their committment.

     

    You are missing my point entirely. 

     

    WANT has little to do with it. CAN has everything to do with it. If you want to play a game but cannot afford it, then too bad ,so sad. There is a great deal of humility in a person who wants but knows he cant have.

     

    You do not have a right to 3 subs to EVE. You may have the ability because you have enough cash. But you arent entitled to anything.

     

    This is what I am talking about tho, I find it hard to believe anyone who works hard for a living would take the attitude " I WANT to play multiple mmos and have multiple accounts so I should be able.  The reason I say this is becuase that is a spoiled childs way of thinking and not a working persons way of thinking.

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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog SPosts: 1,125Member Uncommon

    let me do this crazy idea ok? keep it 15 a month and stop all CS and any monetizing you put in games and maybe I will stop thinking this genre golden age is long gone.

     

    most of you guys don't give value to your own money and that is ok, but now since we have so many fools spending over $50 a month on cash shop items and then we don't have games to play anymore, that is when start to be my problem.

     

    also its funny, games nowaday have so many graphics they don't even spend time on gameplay, I don't doubt is sometime we will only watch CG films and not play the game anymore. then why we will say its a game?

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  • ReklawReklaw Am.Posts: 6,478Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DarkLordIxor

    I would personally rather pay 15 a month than have item shops, cosmetic shops and P2W bullshart cramed down my throat from all these newer F2p games. At least with p2p I know I am on equal footing with everyone else and the company won't go under right away.

     

    I absolutely despise pay to win.

    I also dislike P2W but lets be real here, regardless a sub, cashshop or what ever shop we the player never truly know if another player is a Pay To Win type of person, of course sub games might make it somewhat harder for those who want to "cheat" there way to the top, but lets face it still happens even in sub games. Else there wouldn't be thousands if not million of 3rd party goldscammers websites all over the net.

    I actually feel that it´s those 3rd party goldscammers sites that have activated these F2P games, cause developers-gamecompany´s didn´t see the revenue those 3rd party sites got. We have complained in the past about goldscammers, people spamming them.

    But now with today´s new people into this genre they start to call gamecompany´s greedy. They do not realize how much money gamecompany´s have lost due to those 3rd party sites and perhaps even today still loose allot of money due to those sites.

    As for OP, I can understand your way of thinking about a lower cost price cause lets face today´s MMO´s and not much more then just online combat games and most people seem to want what´s at cap lvl which turns the game into just your regular multiplayer game.

    But personaly I have no problems with paying 15€ a month for a game I enjoy, I have no reall problems with MMORPG´s that have both sub-fee and a cashshop, aslong I am able to get everything that the cashshop offers ingame aswell by pure playing the game. Perhaps it also has to do with the fact that a MMORPG isn´t my first PVP choice of game, where I understand it might be somewhat more frustrating towards a PVP player then towards a social PVE player. But due to the social I do dislike cosmetic cashshops if the cosmetics only can be gained by a cashshop and not ingame by actually playing the game. I don´t care for XP boosters unless they would put int a XP limiter. XP is already gained far to fast and I sure stay away from XP weekend when the MMORPG I am playing is offering them :P

    Sometimes I rather pay the small subfee then be anoyed by F2P restrictions, example SWtOR, while it aint a MMORPG to me it´s still an entertaining game to me, did try the F2P version for about 4 hours totally in a week and didn´t like the drawback it gave me being a sub before I tried the F2P version.

     

  • LizardoneLizardone baltimore, MDPosts: 93Member

    $5.00/month screams "Quick crash grab low quality game". Better go B2P and spare us the hassle of another CC transaction.

     

     

     

  • Ice-QueenIce-Queen USA, GAPosts: 2,451Member Uncommon
    I don't have a problem paying a subscription fee for a good mmorpg. The problem isn't that people don't want to pay a sub, it's the problem of mediocre themepark WoW clones, no one wants to pay a sub for. I've said it before, I'd gladly pay $25-$50 a month for a good mmorpg. I pay more than that to go watch a movie at the local theatre with the family, and that's just 2 hours or under worth of entertainment for a mediocre movie most of the time.

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  • KingJigglyKingJiggly Simpsonville, SCPosts: 777Member
    I like my b2p games... Gw2 comes to mind... Eve also has an interesting system I can partially agree with.
  • kadepsysonkadepsyson sun prairie, WIPosts: 1,937Member

    It's "old school"?  I haven't heard that in well over a decade, middle school seems so long ago now.

     

    In any event, lowering a subscription price still leaves the customers required to subscribe with a recurring payment they'd feel they'd have to make the most of or they should cancel.  Shifting the number a bit doesn't change much besides the amount their wallet gets depleted by every month.

    More options for pay plans would be better than just altering one.

     

    For example, one MMO I played in Asia land had a system where you could buy time for money, and time bought carried over from month to month.  I could buy a little time to try the game for a tiny fee of a matter of cents.  If I bought several hours, it was still far below the $15 mark, and let me play for weeks.  It fit my play schedule perfectly, because when I played a ton it used the money I spent, and when I did not play the money was not 'wasted' as the time was there to use later.

    Buy to play, free to play, subscription, and pay for hours can all work, sometimes more than one of those can work in the same MMO.

    I think the trick is to get players to feel as though they are paying because they want something, not because they have to.  The feeling of not getting your moneys worth can be a huge detriment to many things, not just an MMO.

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