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  • Sicc1Sicc1 gresham, ORPosts: 240Member
    I typically don't play free to play games or Asian themed games at all, usually not my style. After reading about it a but because of all the threads I decided to give it a try.

    The game is very confusing and deep. I've played about a week and i'm still trying to decide it its the game i'm in love with or if its the fact that I can't stand not knowing how to play it. I really feel like thus us my first time paying an mmo its that different. But none the less I find myself reading about it when i'm not playing and just waiting to get home from work and my kids to go to bed so I can play.

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  • muthaxmuthax mondaPosts: 593Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Mavolence
    I like a lot of the features and enjoy the life skills/crafting. What i don't like though and one of the reasons why i won't play is that when you join a school for me it was the royal guard you have to use skills associated with that school or you steal from other schools. Well my problem was that i really don't like any of the weapons in the game i understand its wuxia lore and more martial arts than say a more military style of fighting but man it just annoys me to no end. I can't stand that even though i'm carrying a sword when i push the skill tab for royal guard he whips out this chain whip and spins it around in an aoe im' like O.o. Just don't care for it i guess. Great features great setting just don't like the characters i guess.

    I joined teh guards too and had to reroll because I thought the claws were a hand to hand weapon. Rolled a fists only shaolin and  having a blast. <maybe if you tell us what kind of wepon/style you prefer someone can point out a more suitable school

  • MavolenceMavolence Appleton, WIPosts: 612Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by muthax
    Originally posted by Mavolence
    I like a lot of the features and enjoy the life skills/crafting. What i don't like though and one of the reasons why i won't play is that when you join a school for me it was the royal guard you have to use skills associated with that school or you steal from other schools. Well my problem was that i really don't like any of the weapons in the game i understand its wuxia lore and more martial arts than say a more military style of fighting but man it just annoys me to no end. I can't stand that even though i'm carrying a sword when i push the skill tab for royal guard he whips out this chain whip and spins it around in an aoe im' like O.o. Just don't care for it i guess. Great features great setting just don't like the characters i guess.

    I joined teh guards too and had to reroll because I thought the claws were a hand to hand weapon. Rolled a fists only shaolin and  having a blast.

    I really was interested in playing a pike/halberd style character weilding any kind of polearm but i found out the only thing close is staffs. I don't wnat to do hand to hand and i don't wnat wushu style swords or really any of the weapons i've seen so far. I think its just the wuxia style that turns me off. I don't even like any of the jet li or crouching tiger hidden dragon style movies either. I was a huge fan of the romance of the three kingdom novels though and played alot of those games since NES days. Then again it was more military style and not the whole solo martial arts hero that can fly. Wish the features in this game could be put with different characters i suppose.

  • FromHellFromHell NY, NYPosts: 1,311Member

    I find the UI confusing.

     

    Seriously this is the first game where the UI and absolute lack of intuitive control are almost killing the fun of an otherwise great game.

     

    I hope they trash the UI and start from scratch

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  • legendsololegendsolo gentPosts: 81Member
    Originally posted by muthax
    Originally posted by legendsolo

    What bothers me  the most is the lack of progression in gathering skills, there isnt something to work towards.

    Been farming the highest crops and mining gold/lead from day one, in EvE as a miner you had to work for your ship and mining skills, you had a goal. im missing the joy of achieving  a goal.

    As my time is limited (1hour a day) i havent crafted that much,but im feeling it will be the same. Buy the recipe and materials from a player and use it. To be honest im not seeing the joy in this.

    As i havent played that much and my time is limited by the restrictions, im hopping im wrong.

    I think you work towards the 'achievements' that they have built in teh game, the ones that give you titles and gear.

    Aside from that, you gather either to be a trader or to craft. And mostly craft to make money.

    A title above your head that's it, nothing more.There realy isnt anything to work towards as a non combat player.

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  • muthaxmuthax mondaPosts: 593Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by FromHell

    I find the UI confusing.

     

    Seriously this is the first game where the UI and absolute lack of intuitive control are almost killing the fun of an otherwise great game.

     

    I hope they trash the UI and start from scratch

    Unlikely, gaem has been out quite a while in China as it is. Having said that, the UI in teh RU beta works a bit better than the NA one, seems betetr at least. We can hope one publisher works on it but I wouldn't hold out on it.

    Having said that, you can fine tune a bit the controlls and interface, to a limit

  • muthaxmuthax mondaPosts: 593Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by legendsolo
    A title above your head that's it, nothing more.There realy isnt anything to work towards as a non combat player.

    Well I don't know what the rewards are for higher achievements and as I said you main goal will be the economy. As in EVE after all, no?

  • theocculttheoccult Miami, FLPosts: 36Member

     

    Regarding some of the topics in this thread.

    Wuxia style combat:
    Complaining about the wuxia style combat in a wuxia style game, to me that's like playing EVE and complaining it has space combat. If you hate brussel sprouts, don't eat them! :P

    On having been ganked early on in game:
    I made a new character to try out a different school, was ganked as well within the first few hours.  I don't see what the big deal is though.  You die, you respawn and go back to what you were doing. Who cares if there's a debuff, you're in midst of a tutorial, you're not about to take on Jet Li. Though I have to admit, I got a chuckle out of seeing a bounty put up on the same pk'er  a few minutes later and a followed arrest. And while having my morning coffee the next day, the poor schmuck was on the forums crying over still being stuck in jail, awaiting his execution. :P

    Advancement of crafting and gathering skill:
    It's not just a pretty title above your head as stated, but actually an increase in your success rate when it comes to the gathering professions, and an increase in being able to craft/produce better items as you advance in skill.

    Complexity and/or confusion of all the game features:
    I think at this point all of us in beta are still learning new things on a day to day basis, which I find refreshing in comparison to the watered down systems in so many of today's games.  The majority of the people I have come across in game are extremely helpful and very social. My advice to new players, glance over some of the guides here and over at the AOW forums, join a guild if you wish, check your school chat tab for info and to ask questions.



     

  • GrayKodiakGrayKodiak Nada, FLPosts: 576Member
    Originally posted by legendsolo
    Originally posted by muthax
    Originally posted by legendsolo

    What bothers me  the most is the lack of progression in gathering skills, there isnt something to work towards.

    Been farming the highest crops and mining gold/lead from day one, in EvE as a miner you had to work for your ship and mining skills, you had a goal. im missing the joy of achieving  a goal.

    As my time is limited (1hour a day) i havent crafted that much,but im feeling it will be the same. Buy the recipe and materials from a player and use it. To be honest im not seeing the joy in this.

    As i havent played that much and my time is limited by the restrictions, im hopping im wrong.

    I think you work towards the 'achievements' that they have built in teh game, the ones that give you titles and gear.

    Aside from that, you gather either to be a trader or to craft. And mostly craft to make money.

    A title above your head that's it, nothing more.There realy isnt anything to work towards as a non combat player.

    Many crafting trees proc higher rewards the better you are skilled (and a bit of luck) There is definately a reason to raise the skill and a real market value for having it higher.

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,273Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by GrayKodiak
    Originally posted by legendsolo
    Originally posted by muthax
    Originally posted by legendsolo

    What bothers me  the most is the lack of progression in gathering skills, there isnt something to work towards.

    Been farming the highest crops and mining gold/lead from day one, in EvE as a miner you had to work for your ship and mining skills, you had a goal. im missing the joy of achieving  a goal.

    As my time is limited (1hour a day) i havent crafted that much,but im feeling it will be the same. Buy the recipe and materials from a player and use it. To be honest im not seeing the joy in this.

    As i havent played that much and my time is limited by the restrictions, im hopping im wrong.

    I think you work towards the 'achievements' that they have built in teh game, the ones that give you titles and gear.

    Aside from that, you gather either to be a trader or to craft. And mostly craft to make money.

    A title above your head that's it, nothing more.There realy isnt anything to work towards as a non combat player.

    Many crafting trees proc higher rewards the better you are skilled (and a bit of luck) There is definately a reason to raise the skill and a real market value for having it higher.

    There are no obsolete formulas or patterens. The more you make the better the item. Materials stay relevant as well.

  • AIMonsterAIMonster Apopka, FLPosts: 2,059Member

    Deep... maybe?  The combination of poor tutorials, horrible translation, and massive amounts of fedex quest missions make this a nightmare to get started in.  Seriously spent 3 hours in this game running back and forth and only killed a couple of boars and wolves, and that's following the quests they gave me to do.  I didn't experience any ganking or PvP with my new character though.  Still, I'm not waiting several hours for a game to get good or reading through mountains of information online to make the game playable for me.  If you introduce radically new systems, you really ought to do a good job of explaining them.

    Maybe hope (I'm doubtful though) they go through all the dialogue and text in the game and do a massive overhaul of it and add a completely new tutorial that makes sense and spends the appropriate amount of time explaining each new concept in the game and come back and play the game then, but right now I can't recommend it unless you have a lot of time on your hands to figure out everything that is going on in this MMO.

    I realize it's a sandbox MMO and you can do whatever you want, but I need to know what is available for me to do and how to at least get started in doing it.

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  • RaysheRayshe London, ONPosts: 1,284Member
    Every day i learn about something new. i've barely even cut my teeth on this game and im enjoying it. im at about 2weeks of gameplay and im just learning how to fight. because you really do need to learn how to fight. Different school fight different ways and if you dont change your style your probubly gonna lose.

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  • WightyWighty Westbury, NYPosts: 664Member Uncommon

    I put this reply in a thread I created however after reading this thread I thought it was better suited for here... sorry for the duplication but here goes!

     

    Ok so I dove in with both feet and purchased the Deluxe (for $20 you can't go wrong). I created my character and went through some game tutorial... 

    Everything is fine until I picked a school. I chose Wudang as it seemed like a good fit. However, I am not sure if it is translation, ui, or if I am just a moron but I am very confused here and am hitting a wall.

    I am not sure if I totally grasp the progression system... So every few minutes I accumulate cultivation points and if I go to my skills I can use cultivation points on them which takes several hours to advance. I see there are 2 other options Practice Martial arts and Team practice, but not sure where to go for team practice. I see it being spammed in school chat yet noone really reponds. 

    This also leaves me confused as to which skills I should focus on being that I am a total newb and am suddenly flooded with choices.

    I also hit a wall with my questline. I have to duel some evil tiger herald outside of a stronghold. I formed a team by myself and went to progress the dialogue but the person it is telling me I have to fight is not listed.

    Again if anyone can help out or direct me to a guide (maybe specific to Wudang or questlines) I would greatly appreciate it!

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  • Sal1Sal1 Twin Cities, MNPosts: 183Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Wighty

    I put this reply in a thread I created however after reading this thread I thought it was better suited for here... sorry for the duplication but here goes!

     

    Ok so I dove in with both feet and purchased the Deluxe (for $20 you can't go wrong). I created my character and went through some game tutorial... 

    Everything is fine until I picked a school. I chose Wudang as it seemed like a good fit. However, I am not sure if it is translation, ui, or if I am just a moron but I am very confused here and am hitting a wall.

    I am not sure if I totally grasp the progression system... So every few minutes I accumulate cultivation points and if I go to my skills I can use cultivation points on them which takes several hours to advance. I see there are 2 other options Practice Martial arts and Team practice, but not sure where to go for team practice. I see it being spammed in school chat yet noone really reponds. 

    This also leaves me confused as to which skills I should focus on being that I am a total newb and am suddenly flooded with choices.

    I also hit a wall with my questline. I have to duel some evil tiger herald outside of a stronghold. I formed a team by myself and went to progress the dialogue but the person it is telling me I have to fight is not listed.

    Again if anyone can help out or direct me to a guide (maybe specific to Wudang or questlines) I would greatly appreciate it!

    My recommendation is to raise your Wudang internal skill using the internal cultivation until level 15 or so. Team practice for Wudang is usually happening at the big hill just West of the disciple hall or disciple home (I forgot the exact name). Zoom the map all the way in to see some landmarks and things.

    Whenever I am playing my internal cultivation is always levelling something unless I'm doing team practice or practice martial arts.

  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,860Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Wighty

    I am not sure if I totally grasp the progression system... So every few minutes I accumulate cultivation points and if I go to my skills I can use cultivation points on them which takes several hours to advance. I see there are 2 other options Practice Martial arts and Team practice, but not sure where to go for team practice. I see it being spammed in school chat yet noone really reponds. This also leaves me confused as to which skills I should focus on being that I am a total newb and am suddenly flooded with choices.

    It isn't that complicated but horribly described in game.


    You gain XP that comes in 5 different ranks, ranks differ in conversion rate - higher rank XP can convert more Cultivation points per XP.

    With acquired Cultivation points, you can start training(cultivating) your Skills. There are 3 "paths"(skill sets, usually bound to weapon used) per school along with shared Internal skill(boosts your stats and provide extra effect).

    You can open your 2nd school skill set at internal skill lvl 5, 3rd skill set at lvl 10.


    Your primary skill to train for now is Internal skill to at least lvl 25, imo. Then you can train your skill set - higher skills cost more energy thus you need to train Internal first.

    Chapter 2 quests are not in the game yet and UI is really horrid...can't help much there, sorry.

  • FdzzaiglFdzzaigl Somewhere in nowherePosts: 2,319Member Uncommon

    Been playing it for 2,5 days now (still a total noob), but I'd say the truth is somewhere in the middle, but the game can definitely be called "deep" in a way.

    It has a pretty crazy number of features, many that will be confusing because of the lack of tutorial.

    For example: having meridians (lines with pressure points where Chi flows through the body) that one can activate and open up gradually to receive boosts (not that it tells you which boosts, you need to check the internet) and gossip from NPC's that can lead you to random events.

    As well as the other functions that are talked about a lot, like imprisoning, capturing, etc.

     

    It's definitely confusing as well for a new player like me, especially because the game likes to tell you that you "should go do X", without telling you what X does and where it starts off.

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  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,860Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Fdzzaigl

    It's definitely confusing as well for a new player like me, especially because the game likes to tell you that you "should go do X", without telling you what X does and where it starts off.

    That does not make it deep, just confusing due horrible UI and description text.

  • FdzzaiglFdzzaigl Somewhere in nowherePosts: 2,319Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Fdzzaigl

    It's definitely confusing as well for a new player like me, especially because the game likes to tell you that you "should go do X", without telling you what X does and where it starts off.


     

    That does not make it deep, just confusing due horrible UI and description text.

    You took part of my post and ignored the rest.

    I said it's definitely confusing, but probably can be called "deep" as well, due to the huge amounts of features this game has.

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  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,860Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by FdzzaiglYou took part of my post and ignored the rest.I said it's definitely confusing, but probably can be called "deep" as well, due to the huge amounts of features this game has.

    The "huge" amount of features with horrible UI makes it confusing, not deep...as I pointed out already.

    The game is just unusual with settings and character progression system, however it is lacking any depth since it is just ordinary grind for skills/gear and then PVP with raids for end game.

  • TsaboHavocTsaboHavoc PinheiralPosts: 351Member
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Fdzzaigl

     

    You took part of my post and ignored the rest.

    I said it's definitely confusing, but probably can be called "deep" as well, due to the huge amounts of features this game has.


     

    The "huge" amount of features with horrible UI makes it confusing, not deep...as I pointed out already.

    The game is just unusual with settings and character progression system, however it is lacking any depth since it is just ordinary grind for skills/gear and then PVP with raids for end game.

    hell yeah, aow depth its laughable, no even close to SWTOR depth....

  • jpnzjpnz SydneyPosts: 3,529Member

    Think the depth is there.

    This game came out of nowhere for me and I'm really intrigued.

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  • BiskopBiskop AvalonPosts: 709Member
    Originally posted by TsaboHavoc

    The "huge" amount of features with horrible UI makes it confusing, not deep...as I pointed out already.

    The game is just unusual with settings and character progression system, however it is lacking any depth since it is just ordinary grind for skills/gear and then PVP with raids for end game.

    hell yeah, aow depth its laughable, no even close to SWTOR depth....

    This is surely someone's idea of a joke.

  • mistmakermistmaker viennaPosts: 232Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Biskop
    Originally posted by TsaboHavoc

    The "huge" amount of features with horrible UI makes it confusing, not deep...as I pointed out already.

    The game is just unusual with settings and character progression system, however it is lacking any depth since it is just ordinary grind for skills/gear and then PVP with raids for end game.

    hell yeah, aow depth its laughable, no even close to SWTOR depth....

    This is surely someone's idea of a joke.

    i guess yes, someone being sarcastic without saying that he is sarcastic. how zynical :-)

  • RilmanRilman IpswichPosts: 35Member
    I refused to play it because of the hour a day rubbish.
  • ObiClownobiObiClownobi CoruscantPosts: 186Member
    Originally posted by Rilman
    I refused to play it because of the hour a day rubbish.

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