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Originally posted by allendale5 I want to own something when I pay for it. That is the inferred agreement, when I go to the checkout stand at a retailer and pay them their asking price for a product : that they are GIVING it to me in exchange for the currency tendered. What I choose to do with it is my own business. I could buy a new frying pan and, if I so choose, decide to hang it on a tree in my yard. I don't want the store coming back to me to protest and reclaim their product or cite any misuse. To me, selling an unharmful product and then regulating what I can do with it in my own home is paramount to NOT selling the product. It's a rental. And if it's a rental or lease, then I expect to pay rental prices : 2 bucks.
That only works when those who sell things to you, don't own the politicians. Since they do, the law is what ever those owned politicians say that it is. You or I may not like that, but the politicians control the enforcer class, and as long as they do, they get their way.
I have been buying a lot of games from Steam this year, but have only been ones I have played before and I want to play again and again, and try and make a policy of not paying full price for games, and just wait for the Steam sales. RAGE costing £3.24 is well worth it. If I bought that game at launch and resold it, I would lose more than £3.24. However I have bought only 2 games this year at full price as digital downloads - XCOM and Far Cry 3.
I do however buy LOADS and LOADs of console games at launch for £40 or whatever, but that is because I know I can resell them. I certainly will not be buying games for £40 if I can not resell them, I will do the saem as I do with Steam, wait for them to get to about £5 or less and then buy them.
SSX got released about this time last year, and on the UK Xbox Live Marketplace, it costs £49.99 / about $80, yet on the US marketplace it costs $29.99 / about £19
I certainly not be paying £49.99 for a digital game, no matter what it is.
Blocking 2nd hand games will kill these consoles in the future as retro machines. It is nice to go sift through ebay, and search out games you missed for the SNES, N64 etc. In 10 years time, you will not be able to do this with the PS4 (or whatever they call it)
It is fine having PC games blocked, as my current PC can still play a lot of old PC games designed for Windows 95/98, but a new console means having more consoles just play the old games, and to get a new console if you do not have the room you sell it, but if 2nd hand games are being blocked then you can not sell, so now once you finish a game and no longer want to play it, and can not sell it, it now gets put in the bin? which makes buying games in the future a complete waste of money.
Panzer Dragoon Saga may cost about £200 to buy, but you can resell it again for about that price, or maybe more.
With the recession still raging on, and game becoming more and more mediocre, blocking 2nd hand games on consoles will kill cosole gaming. If Bioware had not gone to EA and broke up, and still releasing awesome games, I would buy one of their games at launch for £50 even if it could not resell it, but now that the founders have left and they are making mediocre games, I will not, unless maybe there are a tonne of reviews rating it 95-100%
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Here is what you do:
Have a profile that can be downloaded to a flash card type storage device to take with you if you bring your game to a friend's house. Also have a method that allows you to transfer your rights to another person for a fee (say, 10 bucks). This way ownership can be transferred and Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo gets a share to give to the game developer.
If this does indeed happen, I wouldn't be surprised to see people in retailer stores getting fired - even more unemployed people "yay".
Originally posted by strangiato2112 Here is what you do: Have a profile that can be downloaded to a flash card type storage device to take with you if you bring your game to a friend's house. Also have a method that allows you to transfer your rights to another person for a fee (say, 10 bucks). This way ownership can be transferred and Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo gets a share to give to the game developer.
You may not need have to worry about taking game to a mates house, they may not buy the console in the first place! I will definately be playing demos (if I have a conole) and reading reviews more so, if this gets put through, and I will not preorder a single game. I may not even buy a console at all. Currently I do not bother with reviews and demos, I just preorder the game, and if I do not like it I sell it on. The ability to resell a game takes away the worry of a game being not to your liking
The best thing to do is go RETRO - There are plenty of games released in the last 20 years to enjoy. There has not been enough time to enjoy a fraction of all that has been released in the last 20 years or so. If this comes to pass I think I will give new and future gaming a break, and work through all the games and consoles I have bought, and buy games I have missed from ebay or wherever.
Shops that sell 2nd hand games will not necessarily be put out of business, they can sell all games and consoles in the past 20 years. That is what Gamestation stores (now defunct) were doing before GAME bought them - mainly selling old games and consoles, but also selling some of the latest games and consoles.
Maybe Sony will unblock 2nd hand games when the console ends its life so people can sell the consoles and its games, but they probably will not say until it does end, as otherwise people would just wait, and consoles lifespans will get shorter and shorter
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Originally posted by DarknessReign READ IT http://news.cnet.com/8301-10797_3-57562100-235/game-on-sony-wont-block-used-games-analyst/ Now Relax
Thanks, that was an interesting article. But what is to stop Microsoft, Nintendo AND Sony from agreeing to use this new technology (or something related) in their new consoles? It would obviously be in their own best interests, if they all did it.
Only time will tell how this shakes out.
Originally posted by RedMachine72 Just read this article and was wondering, how many people would still support Sony if it happens? www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/03/report-new-sony-patent-blocks-second-hand-games?utm_source=Targeted%20Blasts&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Breaking+News:+Sony+Discs+Patent_11145_587933_587940&utm_content=6232486 I for one will not as I buy a lot of my games second hand. Hopefully they won't do this as they would lose out completly to Nintendo and Microsoft. Unless Microsoft does the same, then Nintendo would be loving it.
It isn't just Sony, Microsoft has been looking into doing the same thing. They all will be doing this eventually.
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That article is just an analysts opinion.
I am not worried either way, if they do block used games, it will just save me money from not buying all the new games and consoles, and it should only be Sony etc who is worried from doing it, which is why the analyst thinks they will not do it.
Originally posted by Siveria In a way I can see why they do it, but in another way its going to kill their console market, people rent games sometimes as a way to try them out. If they do go thru with this I hope they reduce the price of games as a whole, or else I just can't justify it. People buy used games because its cheaper, thats the only sole reason. Why pay 60-80 bucks for a game you can clear in a few hours? when you can just rent it.
Buying used games because it is cheaper is not the only reason. If you are patient new games can end up being cheaper than used games. Quite a number of times games on sale at GAME have been cheaper than their preowened games.
The only time I buy 2nd hand games is if I have waited too long to get them, and they have gone out of print, and no longer available new
Originally posted by Methos12 Every used copy that gets into circulation is pretty much one new sale denied AND companies don't see a dime from used game profits. I see their angle on this.
They are not all a sale denied. There are several games I got deals on used that I would never have paid what they were asking for a new copy.
Even if I owned a console, I wouldn't be worried about this. Someone will find a way to bypass the copy protection just like every other attempt to create copy protection in the past.
My other thought is that this is directed more towards movies and music.
I feel bad for Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo et al.
Apparently they are so bad at what they do, that they are the only industry in the history of mankind that can't handle second-hand sales.
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Well Sony originates from Japan so perhaps this is some form of video game industry seppuku. It certainly reeks of asshole-ishness.
I only rent my console games or buy them used so this would drive me from Sony to MS as far as consoles go really quick. I'm mainly a PC gamer but I have a PS3 for the occasional console exclusive game and the Blu Ray. But if SOny carries through with this I will be done with them.
Originally posted by Celcius Originally posted by Talin I'm all for protecting against piracy as long as it does not come at a detriment to the consumer experience. This only shows the technology component, not how the process of managing it will be implemented. That said, I kind of think Sony will screw this up anyhow.
Yeah. I would not be entirely surprised if this only affects certain titles or if it even is being applied to the PS4.
I was actually wondering if they didn't file this patent just to make it so that if anyone else wants to use the tech they have to license it through Sony.
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Hi console gamers and welcome to the PC market, get used to this.
Secondly people are talking about "what if my console breaks" Well who cares they just tie the game ID to your own PSN ID that way only you can play the game and they can even provide you with a backup service that is personall should it be needed. Yes this will hurt the re-sell market but it might actually be a slight up-swing for rentals as you now need to use them to "preview" games. (Rental games simply have a non exclusive key on them that does not lock in to a specific user)
So all in all have a nice day.
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Originally posted by Oberholzer I understand why they're trying this. I don't agree with it but I understand. I really didn't have a problem with them doing the thing with redeemable codes to experience the online content but if someone buys a disk I don't see where they can tell them not to sell it. If physical disks go away and maybe the price of games come down some to reflect the lack of producing them, shipping them etc. then maybe they have a better shot.
I'd be really surprised if the price went down just because it's all digital. PC gamers have been paying the same price for a digital download as a boxed copy for year (at least where newer games are concerned). The same thing applies with digital movies on most sites like amazon and apple. They cost the same as a physical copy and 9 times out of 10 you're getting less! At least the physical copy has a blooper reel and some behind the scene footage. Until we start voting with our wallets, these things will not change. However the digital download is easy convenient and well, you pay for convience. So I imagine we won't stop buying them.
I can see how sony's plans are bothering console gamers. I am not one, but I get it. All I can say is scream loud enough and actually back it up with your wallet (by not buying it) and they'll get the hint. Right now they think they can do no wrong because most people will pay whatever is asked so they can play their videogames.
Originally posted by Brialyn Originally posted by Oberholzer I understand why they're trying this. I don't agree with it but I understand. I really didn't have a problem with them doing the thing with redeemable codes to experience the online content but if someone buys a disk I don't see where they can tell them not to sell it. If physical disks go away and maybe the price of games come down some to reflect the lack of producing them, shipping them etc. then maybe they have a better shot.
Especially for new release blu-rays. Digital download in HD 19.99, physical copy with blu-ray, dvd, and digital copy, usually between 19.99 and 24.99. Its a bit odd, and the main reason I don't buy digital copies unless they are on some sort of sale.