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Originally posted by Fdzzaigl I also think skimpy armors are sometimes used to cover up uncreative design. Just a bikini and some crotch covering with possibly a skirt doesn't really come to the level of an intricately designed cuirass and platemail.
^^ This. I haven't studied it extensively, but my overall impression is that you get more skimpiness with free-to-play than with AAA subscription games. As another mentioned, LotRO (which started out sub) is much more modest (which also may be in part out of repsect to Tolkien). Final Fantasy XIV is Asian, and while there is a little skimpiness, it's not to a Ninja Gaiden in-your-face kind.
I think it goes in cycles and there is actually a movement toward more modesty. It's kinda like 50's American television which had western after western. Then people just got tired of it.
Originally posted by Novusod They say the same thing about Western MMORPGs and our obsession with oversized shoulderpads. To each his own, there is a lot of absurdity on both sides of the globe.
This^^ I'd rather have skimpy outfits on girls than shoulder pads you can fly with (SWTOR)..
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You think this is new? Have you been living under a rock or were you just born in the mid to late 90's?
Theres plenty of games with realistic armor out there. It's fantasy. All the men are buff and cool and all the girls are pretty and like to show skin. It appeals to a bigger crowd just like casual gameplay appeals to a bigger crowd (which seems to be slowly changing now). Keep looking and you'll eventually find a game where the women are covered head to toe as if they were in a culture where they were being oppressed. *smirk*
Originally posted by emperorwings Looks good but plays crap. Usual asian styled mmorpg
Looks good, plays like every other deriviative themepark created since 2004. Usual Western styled MMORPG.
Originally posted by Dilweed Most mmo players are male and they like tits and ass. Not all americans for some strange reason, they are kinda prudish when it comes to nudity (nipplegate) Some also act like a white knight in shining armor when they see ass, it makes them look smart and sofisticated.
This - almost. There are more women playing mmos in the west due to WOW but the asian market is still almost entirely male - mostly young males. Young males like t and a - thus the bikini armor. The Asian developers are not stupid (or prudish) and know their market.
Nudity does not bother me but the trend toward pedo does. I guess that I am prudish as that is one of the reasons I never tried Tera.
Originally posted by Robokapp it sells. its their art style. it's what's popular. It's ... what the eastern market wants. What can you do about it ? Some obviously like it and the devs obviously respond to it.
What he said, a matter of culture/mentality of that area.
It does annoy me.......together with the cute fluffy characters, it just turns me off (gamingly speaking)
It is not the fact that young ladies goes around half naked, but the fact that they do not look like fighters therefore they kill the immersion.
Look at AoC girls, that's how it is done.
They are sexual, but fit completely the lore.
Schoolgirls that holds huge Swords and fight like barbarians...........no thanks.
Originally posted by Rider071 do i hate this? no, i like it, i like it alot, and once I hear of a game with great gameplay, I am there! Get off your high horse. I play games I enjoy, and beautiful women and hunkin' guys are fine with me. It's called eye candy! I also like the opportunity to make god awful ugly toons too! but no, I'm all for scantily clad females...o/ Wood elf and half elf females have been the tops for PCs in Everquest since the dawn of the game, it ain't for the stats! So don't assume it's an asian thing, we men are the same all over the world... we likes candy! MOAR BIKINI ARMOR!! o/
Way to tell it like it is. I salute you. o7
Originally posted by Czanrei Get real guy, women objectify men the same way. Male avatars in games are just as fake with their bulging muscles and perfect six-pack abs. The rants about scantily clad genders needs to stop trying to act like its a one-sided event because its not.
Also it's a cultural thingy
OP: What happend to GAMERS being open-minded??
I just recently and extensively played my first Asian MMORPG (Uncharted Waters Online). So I get where the OP is coming from. And I'm not completely clueless. Ive seen a some anime/manga/hentai too. But my inclination is more to laugh rather than be offended by it. Yet it can somewhat detract from my immersion in a game...
Still, this to me is more like a lot of members here sometimes say about graphics. What really matters is the gameplay. And if that's good, then I'm willing to forgive a little Asian weirdness.
Originally posted by Reklaw Also it's a cultural thingy
Much like the obsession many NA/EU gamers have with needing 50 sliders to customize their face - the part of their avatar that is least recognizable by any player other than the one playing the character. Again, just a cultural thing.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I think the western world is too much into control and censorship, to the point that we try to blame school shootings on movies and video games. Yet other countries that are into the media as much or more than us don't see half the violence we see. And on the other hand, it's the countries that aren't into movies and video games as much as we are that see more violence than we do. We see a half naked girl and it's almost offensive. Whereas it's OK in many places elsewhere. Alot of it doesn't make sense either. We can go to the beach and see girls in bikinis and thongs, but if they should wear something that's slightly LESS revealing elsewhere, it's shameful.
I'm not saying one is right and one is wrong. Just that there's nothing wrong with either.
I find it funny that people try to label the eastern culture as some sort of perverts, yet even in our culture we make more emphasis on it in rela life. The more "developed" women the prettiest ones, Shun those that are chubby, and are into how we look more than any other culture I can think of. Just look at our entire fascination with straight teeth. Most of the others don't even care about it, unless they're in some sorta of beauty contest or on TV.
We're all attracted to the same qualities, just in different ways.
On a side note, Bless looks like it's trying to work towards GW2.
In reality, it's very simple to "westernize" an Asian MMO.
Make the males look more rugged and tough. At the moment, they all look like kids / Justin Beibers.
Make the women look less like pedophile-bait.
Tone down the neon blues, pinks, and reds.
Replace the hi-pitch "Yah!" combat sounds.
Replace the music.
After spending 4 months in Japan and seeing how they objectify Anime characters to the point that they make... silicone replicas... of their cartoon parts, this game seems very mild.
OP: This is part of the culture of gaming. It extends beyond the borders of your country which you probably haven't thought about. The culture of skimpy animated women is stronger in Asia and with the proliferation of the internet, their culture is being spread to other parts of the world. Accept it or avoid it; that is up to you. If you want to avoid it, you may have to live in a cave without internet, though.
I don't need soft core porn with my mmo. When I see graphics like these advertised, I stay far away from that game. Just the way I see things. I know that porn is a huge thing over in Asia and that part of the world, that is their choice. I just choose to ignore it.
To me I find it a lot more funny that male Asian characters look very effeminate, I know its a cultural thing, but I am not a fan of that at all.
Chicks in minis - yes please.
That part of the art style of eastern games bothers me least.
What bothers me most is the standard issue "little girl with animal ears" "metro-males" "bad haircuts"
Every asian game seems to have a pedo race and a furry race, and the males in the game are sometimes more girly than the girls. I get that its a culture thing but would it kill them to make a luberjack style male that looks like he would actually use that oversized sword to hurt me and not use to as some type of decorating or interior design tool. Also the standard issue pedo race slash furry female hybrid really makes my stomach turn.
Originally posted by azzamasin Originally posted by zomard100 I don't know people why but i hate that! I like girls but what is to much it is to much. It looks so ridiculous to see characters running around with ass high up in the sky dressed in mini skirts. I saw that new Bless mmo and was so excited for few minutes so i gave fast look on Tube to see what is about this game. And guess what! Again almost naked fragile girls in miniskirts with huge boobs swinging huge swords like crazy. Graphic is so realistic and awesome and again we have this Tera effect in every single new Asian mmorpg. Do you hate this?
I feel you man. Its the biggest turn off for me from Asian Games. Skimpy outfits and huge honking swords. So unrealistic it hurts. Chainmail Bikinis and telephone Poles for weapons. Pfft yea right.
Please..don't know about you but i play games, mmos in particular, to get away from reality. The bigger the weapon and the smaller the outfit the better