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Yes it is for mmofps games but we're talking mmorpgs here...
Sorry, Neocron @ 2002 was the first to mix FPS combat into MMORPG.
Ever since the late-great Neocron, i've found all tab-target MMO's to be boring at best, combat-wise.
Gosh .. paragon 100 .. how many hours did you play? I am playing for a long while and still like paragon 46.
But back to the point ... this is about whether a game is MMO or not ... and about action combat. FPSes, for example, are not MMOs.
And you do have to aim, dodge (but not block) in D3. It is called an action RPG, precisely because its combat is very actiony. And the point is that FPS is not the only kind. TPS are also very actiony, and in fact, in many 3rd person game, like Darksider 2, blocking is even more important than FPS.
And why can't it be used in a mmorpg?
If you took a game like planetside, but you crafted weapons and vehicles, built bases and it had pve continents would that not be a mmorpg?
Or if you took a game like wow, but mages manually aimed their fireballs and warriors could lift their shields up to deflect them, would that not be a mmorpg?
Tab Target doesn't make a game anymore mmorpg than action combat.
Check into darkfall UW if you got the balls.. No tab target, massive rpg elements, fps / tps style range combat, realistic melee swinging, Full loot pvp system..
The games not ready in fact its far from ready but when it is if you are serious about competative PvP and want to have all the rpg elements like skill gains, gear gains etc Check this game out I am enjoying it but its far from ready for release atm.
MMO's with real time combat... Hmm..
Darkfall
Mortal Online
Planetside 2
Fallen Earth
Face of Mankind
Global Agenda
Age of Conan(To some degree)
DDO (Action Combat)
DC Universe (Action Combat)
Guild Wars 2 (Action Combat)
Earthrise
MechWarrior Online
APB: Reloaded
The War Z
Defiance
Dust 514
Elder Scrolls Online
Not sure if I missed any or not.. I think I already forgot what this thread was about.. Something about how tab-targetting is more popular in the MMO-genre..
Tab targeting is an invention to deal with not enough bandwidth. I never liked it and is one of the reasons I quit most mmo'as that I quit. I always hoped for at least guild wars type combat if not full fps combat. I feel like you can't get any better at some point and lose interest with tab targeting combat.
I will always hate tab targeting. Dodgeing attacks gives you a chance when odds are against you and it is fun.
The next big thing will be mounts with fps & physics. like Defiance has.
Can you show me the thread where these supposed players are arguing that action combat is the norm in MMOs? Also, it's funny how a thread about something exceptionally common sense starts such a fight. On this forum you could make a statement that the sky will not turn red tomorrow and there will always be those guys that argue it could or should happen .But in all seriousness, where is the thread where it was implied its the norm to have action combat, those guys if they exist are on crack. I've only seen threads with people wanting or disliking it.
Thanks; all I was really trying to say is that games were doing massive action-combat way back when so Neocron is a good example. I need to be careful when using absolutes. FYI, Vendetta could be considered class of 2002 also.[1][2] It's hard to say who came first... VO might even have Neocron beat by a few months.
I remember reading about Neocron back in the day, guess I'll have to add it to things to keep an eye on. I would have liked to have played it while it was on its first run.
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right cause you know the future of the gaming industry ?? I think with time changes will come, not every game will be the same combat obviously, but tab targetting will become less common with time.
but who knows , they will just keep making what sells, no matter how boring or short shelf likfe the game is.
Darkfall archery/combat = win
Tab-targetting is meh
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Although what I really want is a combination of planetside / war of the roses / skyrim combat
the people have spoken (you're TALKing about how they are speaking here).
if you don't think there's a shift away from traditional MMORPG features in 2013, you haven't been reading much about upcoming games.
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I find tab targeting style games to be so much easier than aim your hits type game. In PvE it's not a biggie, in PvP it where I see the big difference. I am really bad at the aim type games, I just have trouble out playing people when I have to aim my hits. I generally lose ...... to scrubs.
I can actually keep up with the young-uns in a tab targeting game. Having said that, I will continue avoid tab targeting games. I just don't care for them any more. Darkfall has ruined me.
http://www.straightdope.com/
Not much of a list really , should we compile a list of Tab target .. bahh why bother
and lets not overlook the fact that one single Tab Target game (WoW) has more players than your entire list put together .... go figure
My favorite that I've seen so far is Guild Wars 2 because I think it balances it pretty good. It's not completely action combat and yet it's not completely tab target.
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More like tab targetting isn't going anywhere anytime soon ^~^
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Tab targeting / hotkey rotations is dated and boring. There is no depth involved in that combat system, whether it's twitch, strategic, or tactical play. That doesn't mean every MMO in the future has to have action combat systems, but anything besides tab targeting would be prefered at this point. Look at games like Pirates 101 or Wakfu for example of combat systems that are not action oriented and different.
Seriously, why do people like tab targeting / hotkey rotation systems? Because you can macro your game and play it while watching TV or doing something else? Because it's so easy that anyone can learn it? Because it doesn't involve any amount of skill or strategic thinking to use? I'm really curious as to what the pros are of the system.
Tab target combat is ideal for mindless grinding. Using Shaiya PVE grind as an example.
Autoattack key - Character picks a target, runs to target, starts auto attacking
Special attack keys - Character fires special attack and keeps on auto attacking
Loot key - Character loots corpse
1 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 2 [... repeat ...]
No mouse needed, and combat can easily be done while watching TV.
Because it's what people are used to. Action combat and other types of combat styles are fine but I wouldn't want tab targetting just to vanish.
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