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Anet throws out perma bans for wintersday exploit

DerrosDerros Posts: 1,077Member Uncommon

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/15uwja/fyi_mass_bans_were_handed_out_today_for_those_who/?sort=confidence

 

Aparantly you could use snowflakes and mithril to get exotic trinkets and you could break them down for ectos (rare crafting component used in every high level recipe) and get the snowflake back too.  Anet, I guess, didnt want people doing it so much so they are banning people.  It was patched out of the game a few days after it went live, a couple of weeks ago.

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  • KingJigglyKingJiggly Simpsonville, SCPosts: 777Member
    I think we have all seen Anet's stance on Exploiting long ago. Nothing new, I am not suprised, they deserved blah blah.
  • eye_meye_m Notta Chance, ABPosts: 3,133Member Uncommon
    in before  "I really loved GW2 but they need to fix these exploits before they end up in the game" or "the player was just doing something within the game" or "GW2 is a lie" or "The current management team needs to be fired, so they can hire someone that will do a better job" 

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  • LissylLissyl Peru, INPosts: 271Member Common

    WoW player here.

     

    I think Anet did the right thing.  I have no sympathy for exploiters whatsoever.  I wish WoW would take a page from Anet's book on this (I mean c'mon, we all know they take pages from every other company!).

  • PurutzilPurutzil East Stroudsburg, PAPosts: 2,924Member Uncommon

    Should be banned, least a temporary ban and what they had done rolled back. As far as the roll back, up to them if its all what it earned taken back or just a full character roll back for it if they so chose to. 

     

    Either way, both Anet and the players both play a part in it. Anet needs to better test and consider things while players knowingly are exploiting systems not suppose to be in play should get penalized for doing so. I don't feel it should be a 'permanent' ban due to ANet not testing fully for stuff, but it should at the very minimum roll back what they earned from the exploit and give some length of ban time.

  • Br3akingDawnBr3akingDawn a City, CAPosts: 1,357Member Uncommon
    I am not one of the exploiters or ever was temp banned whatsoever but really, you release some event with exploitable bugs and glitches and start perma banning people because they found ways to do stuff because you as a company release some crappy coded events or patch and start blaming the faults on the players?? Maybe you should really test your crap Anet before you release them. Or maybe you should watch whats going on in-game more often and patch it up before it gets out of hand.

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  • DerrosDerros Posts: 1,077Member Uncommon

    Unfortunately, most of my guild's active players got banned >_<.  I have alot less people to play with now.

     

      I also mailed some, not unexpensive, crafting materials to one of those guild members to make something for me, right before I read about their ban.  Of course Anet cant give me those mats back either, they dont give support any tools.

     

    http://i.imgur.com/0SICA.jpg

     

    pic of someone asking an Anet employee about the exploit, basically couldnt conform or deny that it was an exploit.

  • EvilGeekEvilGeek londonPosts: 1,225Member Uncommon

    If you can salvage an item and get more back from it than you put in it should have raised alarm bells, did for me when I heard about it. I do think perma ban was harsh though considering there have been much worse exploits earlier in the game that went unpunished.

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  • Gaia_HunterGaia_Hunter BristolPosts: 2,816Member Uncommon

    Anet announced their stance on this early on.

    If people choose to ignore it, it is their problem.

     

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  • QSatuQSatu WarsawPosts: 1,735Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

    Anet announced their stance on this early on.

    If people choose to ignore it, it is their problem.

     

    qft. It's always amusing how greed makes people so stupid.

  • IsawaIsawa Middle 0 Nowhere, ORPosts: 1,051Member

    Didn't know about this, didn't make any of them. If I make them now and break them down do I just get mithril and/or snowflakes from a rare then?

    Edit:

    • Brilliant Snowflake – 1 Mithril Filigree, 1 Glob of Ectoplasm, 1 Pristine Snowflake
    • Snowflake Mithril Ring – 3 Brilliant Snowflake, 1 Mithril Band, 1 Mithril Setting
    • Snowflake Mithril Earring – 3 Brilliant Snowflake, 1 Mithril Hook, 1 Mithril Setting
    • Snowflake Mithril Amulet – 3 Brilliant Snowflake, 1 Mithril Chain, 1 Mithril Setting
    Guess they take a few ectos to make now...
  • ScalplessScalpless SnowballvillePosts: 1,396Member Uncommon

    The problem is that buying/crafting rares and salvaging them for ectos has been a viable way of making money for a long time. Of course, some people got lots of money from this, but after the price of snowflakes rose this was hardly an exploit. This wasn't as obvious an exploit as buying thousands of 35K Karma weapons for 35 Karma each.

    Then again, I don't know what the "wrost offenders" were like and how many were actually banned. Personally, I think temp bans would've been a better solution.

  • Gaia_HunterGaia_Hunter BristolPosts: 2,816Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Scalpless

    The problem is that buying/crafting rares and salvaging them for ectos has been a viable way of making money for a long time. Of course, some people got lots of money from this, but after the price of snowflakes rose this was hardly an exploit. This wasn't as obvious an exploit as buying thousands of 35K Karma weapons for 35 Karma each.

    Then again, I don't know what the "wrost offenders" were like and how many were actually banned. Personally, I think temp bans would've been a better solution.

    No, buying from TP and crafting isn't the same thing.

    When you craft you are creating a new item and ectos - crafting is generally more expensive than the salvage.

    Buying from the TP to salvage doesn't create any new items- the item and the ecto potential was already in game and was rewarded as a drop.

     

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  • ScalplessScalpless SnowballvillePosts: 1,396Member Uncommon
    No, what I mean is that some time ago people crafted lvl 80 rares and salvaged them for ectos. It was a bit cheaper than buying ectos from the TP, but I'm not sure what the economy is like right now. You don't need ectos to craft rare weapons and armor, so it's always been a viable and sometimes even profitable way to get ectos.
  • Gaia_HunterGaia_Hunter BristolPosts: 2,816Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Scalpless
    No, what I mean is that some time ago people crafted lvl 80 rares and salvaged them for ectos. It was a bit cheaper than buying ectos from the TP, but I'm not sure what the economy is like right now. You don't need ectos to craft rare weapons and armor, so it's always been a viable and sometimes even profitable way to get ectos.

    The problem is:

    You grabbed 1 ecto, add some other materials and got back 3 ectos.

     

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  • FusionFusion VaasaPosts: 1,391Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by QSatu
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

    Anet announced their stance on this early on.

    If people choose to ignore it, it is their problem.

     

    qft. It's always amusing how greed makes people so stupid.

    It's just human nature.

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  • jpaprockijpaprocki Davisville, WVPosts: 271Member Uncommon
    You can bet that if GW2 were a sub-based game those poeple would not have had a perma-ban placed on them.  Anet got their money so no skin off thier back.  I don't feel sorry for them one bit.

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  • RedJorgeRedJorge LisbonPosts: 106Member

    This whole issue only shows how incompetent ArenaNet staff is.

    They released the event items and recipes with poor testing and then slammed the players who discovered an in-game mechanic that allowed them to get something valuable easily.

    Banning these players only demonstrates how lazy is ArenaNet staff and how badly managed this game is now.

    This issue is not an exploit. It is just a badly designed system.

    Punishing players because of their GW2 design flaws is really a trademark of ArenaNet present Management Team.

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  • VolkonVolkon Sterling, VAPosts: 3,788Member
    Mixed feelings on this due to not enough information. Did everyone that did it get banned, or were people targetted that obviously abused the hell out of it? If someone did it once or twice and got perma-banned I think I'd be a bit uneasy about that, but someone that did it for a hundred ectos or whatever... well, at least a lengthy ban and a cleansing of the account. I'm not a fan of permas but understand the need for them on occassion. Hacking, blatant exploiting, even persistant trolling/ griefing... ok.

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  • AIMonsterAIMonster Apopka, FLPosts: 2,059Member
    Originally posted by KingJiggly
    I think we have all seen Anet's stance on Exploiting long ago. Nothing new, I am not suprised, they deserved blah blah.

    We have?  Like the people making repeat Dusks and Dawns using very little karma, selling them, then controlling the market with the ridiculous amount of currency they now have?  Those people were never banned and have had a massive effect on the price of precursors (particularly these precursors) since the beginning and continue to make massive profits having more gold than any other players in game right now.

    They did however warn accounts taking advantage of the cooking karma exploit, which wasn't even that profitable for the time taken nor did it have a really dramatic effect on the economy.  I'm not sure if anyone was banned for it, and because of their lack of in game logging tools and ability to revert accounts the gold made from profit off this exploit still exists in game, though Anet gave them a firm warning to remove it from their accounts.

    Or people repeating exploiting in dungeons and fractals and receiving no said bans?  It's almost impossible to run a PUG group of high level Fractals without seeing at least 4 or 5 MAJOR exploits being used, even if you clearly state to the group you don't want to exploit it's considered acceptable to the community because Anet hasn't taken a stance on it.  Nobody got banned for skipping massive amounts of content in Arah paths either, or running CoF and CM exploits.

    I love the game, but Anet has been completely incompetent and inconsistent on how they've been handling exploits and bans.

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  • RednecksithRednecksith Madison heights, MIPosts: 1,238Member
    Originally posted by Derros

    Unfortunately, most of my guild's active players got banned >_<.  I have alot less people to play with now.

     

      I also mailed some, not unexpensive, crafting materials to one of those guild members to make something for me, right before I read about their ban.  Of course Anet cant give me those mats back either, they dont give support any tools.

     

    http://i.imgur.com/0SICA.jpg

     

    pic of someone asking an Anet employee about the exploit, basically couldnt conform or deny that it was an exploit.

    Okay, if an Anet employee can't even tell someone if it's an exploit or not (if that pic is genuine) then handing out bans for it is bullshit.

    That's like having a cop or lawyer tell you something isn't illegal, then getting arrested for it anyway.

    Also permanent bans for first time offenders (especially when there was apparently some ambiguity as to whether or not there actually WAS an exploit) is a bit steep especially since the fault lies partly with Anet for obviously not testing things properly in the first place. I'd think a temp ban and a rollback would be sufficient.

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  • ScalplessScalpless SnowballvillePosts: 1,396Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by Scalpless
    No, what I mean is that some time ago people crafted lvl 80 rares and salvaged them for ectos. It was a bit cheaper than buying ectos from the TP, but I'm not sure what the economy is like right now. You don't need ectos to craft rare weapons and armor, so it's always been a viable and sometimes even profitable way to get ectos.

    The problem is:

    You grabbed 1 ecto, add some other materials and got back 3 ectos.

    You grab some t5 mats, add some other materials and get back 1-5 ectos. It's a very similar process and does the same thing in a less profitable way: generates ectos from other mats. The "exploit" was not a clear bug or anything. It still depended on getting snowflakes and their price did rise because of it.

    Every time there's an event with new rewards, new ways to make money are introduced. Back when Halloween started, I made 5g per hour by selling candy corn until its price stabilized. Should I be banned because of that? Of course not. Unless something is obviously bugged like the Karma weapons were, players shouldn't be perma banned for using a game mechanic. It's not our job to make sure GW2 is designed well.

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    Originally posted by jpaprocki
    You can bet that if GW2 were a sub-based game those poeple would not have had a perma-ban placed on them.  Anet got their money so no skin off thier back.  I don't feel sorry for them one bit.

    Still, I love these comments. Before GW2 came out, people were saying ANet won't ban anyone because they don't have to care about retaining players and need money from the cash shop. I guess they're going to get bashed by sub supporters no matter what they do.

  • dragomushradragomushra HengeloPosts: 1Member

    I heared from a friend of mine that they banned like 3000 players because of this exploit..

     

    And other friends that play it stopped playing because of this, like really why ban 3k players if its Anet's own problem not testing it properly in the first place >.<

  • moosecatlolmoosecatlol Boring, TXPosts: 1,171Member Uncommon
    I'd bet that they have retained 1/100th of the testers that they once had. Lack of a conducive work atmosphere can wane on any persons will.
  • Gaia_HunterGaia_Hunter BristolPosts: 2,816Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Scalpless
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by Scalpless
    No, what I mean is that some time ago people crafted lvl 80 rares and salvaged them for ectos. It was a bit cheaper than buying ectos from the TP, but I'm not sure what the economy is like right now. You don't need ectos to craft rare weapons and armor, so it's always been a viable and sometimes even profitable way to get ectos.

    The problem is:

    You grabbed 1 ecto, add some other materials and got back 3 ectos.

    You grab some t5 mats, add some other materials and get back 1-5 ectos. It's a very similar process and does the same thing in a less profitable way: generates ectos from other mats. The "exploit" was not a clear bug or anything. It still depended on getting snowflakes and their price did rise because of it.

    Every time there's an event with new rewards, new ways to make money are introduced. Back when Halloween started, I made 5g per hour by selling candy corn until its price stabilized. Should I be banned because of that? Of course not. Unless something is obviously bugged like the Karma weapons were, players shouldn't be perma banned for using a game mechanic. It's not our job to make sure GW2 is designed well.

    Originally posted by jpaprocki
    You can bet that if GW2 were a sub-based game those poeple would not have had a perma-ban placed on them.  Anet got their money so no skin off thier back.  I don't feel sorry for them one bit.

    Still, I love these comments. Before GW2 came out, people were saying ANet won't ban anyone because they don't have to care about retaining players and need money from the cash shop. I guess they're going to get bashed by sub supporters no matter what they do.

    No you didnt.

    Exotic armor require ectos to craft.

    Rare require tons of T5 mats and have a chance to yield 0 ectos.

    With the mithri recipe you could turn 1 into 50 ectos with a Black lion salvage kit.

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  • itgrowlsitgrowls newport news, VAPosts: 2,951Member
    Originally posted by Purutzil

    Should be banned, least a temporary ban and what they had done rolled back. As far as the roll back, up to them if its all what it earned taken back or just a full character roll back for it if they so chose to. 

     

    Either way, both Anet and the players both play a part in it. Anet needs to better test and consider things while players knowingly are exploiting systems not suppose to be in play should get penalized for doing so. I don't feel it should be a 'permanent' ban due to ANet not testing fully for stuff, but it should at the very minimum roll back what they earned from the exploit and give some length of ban time.

    That's the thing it wasn't temporary.

    They didn't even bother to rollback like Blizz has so many times.

    Oh and I wasn't one of them I'm just in agreement with the people on this one. They should have checked their crap before releasing the patch. 

    You see there's a bigger problem here you guys aren't talking about or seeing, Anet thinks they are too good for a PTR and therefor doesn't employ one for major patches. It's not just the exploits that are revealing of just how bad this testing model is....they have basically disappointed fans continuously with thier current managements arrogance and misses with that arrogance when releasing patches in both content and in fixes in gameplay. As such they are WAY behind on everything and are scrambling to release two "major" patches in jan and feb which will most likely be huge bug fix fests that will have minor testing prior to launch.

    Because of this they are ignoring many of history's lessons learned long ago and recently by other mmo developers adding to the confusion of the players as to "just who the heck is in charge over there and what the heck were they thinking when they thought this one up"/

    This is the second unprovoked mass permabans they've pulled on the players yet when one reports a gold farmer bot or a series of bots they return days later because the bots act like they are a real player and plead to Anet to allow them to continue. It's sad really, their management needs an overhaul so they can actually function and their game despirately needs a PTR.

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