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Yes WoW is somewhat a sandbox. Most if not all MMOs are sandboxes to some extent. People just want to pretend there is a hard and fast line of what is and what is not a sandbox and move it wherever it suits them. A sandbox is a game with nonlinear gameplay. Questing does not make a game a theme park. Sandboxes can have quests just not quests that must all be completed in a specific order without skipping any. Sandboxes can have zones and instances. Even zones and instances designed for particular levels. It just can't have all content locked off until you reach a certain level and zones that can't be skipped. See how that works? Nonlinear. It's a simple concept.
Is WoW a sandbox is a meaningless question. How much of a sandbox is WoW is a much better question. The answer is not that much. Here's something to boggle your mind. A perfectly nonlinear game can't have character progression, rules, or limitations of any sort. Every MMO is a compromise between linearity and nonlinearity.
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Crikey this thread is scrapeing the barrel for credibility take every update for say The Repopulation and put them side by side for comparison now compare Themepark WOW,to massive sandbox like features of Repop and especiallly the latest updates.
Me lords ladies and gents of the MMORPG jury I now present my case for the prosecution.
Originally posted by ShakyMo If wow isn't a themepark, what is? Basicly if you are insane enough to consider wow a sandbox in anyway what so ever, what goes in the themepark category? Err.. swtor and I'm struggling for something else, maybe tsw?
All MMOs I can think of are themeparks. Just because a virtual world is partly sandbox that doesn't mean it can't be partly themepark and vice versa. It's like saying and grapefruit is a fruit therefore an tangerine can't be a fruit. If that were true what is a tangelo?
It is the opposite of a sandbox actually. Here's an example of a sandbox:
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"It's a sandbox, if you are not willing to create a castle then all you have is sand" - jtcgs
It gets too difficult to try and define a sandbox style MMORPG these days, people sometimes water down the term so much that we have some posters arguing that all MMO's are themeparks, and if you've ever played a more sandbox styled MMORPG you can certainly tell the difference in play style. (Go try Xyson if you want to see a more extreme example of a sandbox by the way.)
Sure, the lines can be blurry, and you really can't define sandbox style MMO's by the features they may or may not contain, because features (such as quests) can cross the lines for both style of games.
One thing I'm sure of, when I'm in a sandbox style game such as EVE or Xyson, I'm know it and am quite aware of the difference in design approach compared to a more theme park style design such as Aion, a title I recently became reaquainted with over the holiday break.
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Sandbox Features: 1/10
Themepark Features: 8/10
if wow is a sandbox than eve is a beach.
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Originally posted by Ramanadjinn
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Dauntis I don't see why people say a "Hybrid" is impossible. Can you link to where someone said it was impossible? While I doubt he is referring to me I have made that claim. I don't feel a hybrid themepark/sandbox is possible just as I don't feel a hybrid amusement park/roller coaster is possible.
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Dauntis I don't see why people say a "Hybrid" is impossible. Can you link to where someone said it was impossible?
Originally posted by Dauntis I don't see why people say a "Hybrid" is impossible.
Can you link to where someone said it was impossible?
While I doubt he is referring to me I have made that claim.
I don't feel a hybrid themepark/sandbox is possible just as I don't feel a hybrid amusement park/roller coaster is possible.
Themepark and Sandbox are two of the various elements that are part of every MMO. Another element is Social. It would be hard to find an MMO that doesn't have some combination of at least the first two elements. Amusingly, in massively multiplayer games, Social is the element that is often so miniscule it almost seems left out but it is usually there in some form.
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