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  • wyldmagikwyldmagik SouthamptonPosts: 309Member Uncommon

    Why am I not surprised that people can not grasp the title of this thread and what it pertains to...?

    How about, you probably wont play it making you a fool not to as its looking to shape up as a really great sandboxy game.

    This world, really.. :D

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,461Member Uncommon

    hmmm, well, I downloaded it, started it up and before I could get into any rhthm of game play I was hit with the "this is for x type of member only". Essentially, getting hit with the cash shop.

    for a beta test (alpha? whatever it is) I was put off by having the hand out right from the gate. Now, if they gave players some "fake money" so that one could test the store and then become a premium member (or whatever) and then allow players to get into the game proper, then I might not have been so annoyed.

    took it off my hard drive.

     

  • RimmersmanRimmersman MonacoPosts: 885Member
    Originally posted by Sovrath

    hmmm, well, I downloaded it, started it up and before I could get into any rhthm of game play I was hit with the "this is for x type of member only". Essentially, getting hit with the cash shop.

    for a beta test (alpha? whatever it is) I was put off by having the hand out right from the gate. Now, if they gave players some "fake money" so that one could test the store and then become a premium member (or whatever) and then allow players to get into the game proper, then I might not have been so annoyed.

    took it off my hard drive.

     

    Remember their is no character wipe after this beta.

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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,461Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Rimmersman
    Originally posted by Sovrath

    hmmm, well, I downloaded it, started it up and before I could get into any rhthm of game play I was hit with the "this is for x type of member only". Essentially, getting hit with the cash shop.

    for a beta test (alpha? whatever it is) I was put off by having the hand out right from the gate. Now, if they gave players some "fake money" so that one could test the store and then become a premium member (or whatever) and then allow players to get into the game proper, then I might not have been so annoyed.

    took it off my hard drive.

     

    Remember their is no character wipe after this beta.

    Well, I suppose that would explain it.

  • TaishiFoxTaishiFox NottinghamPosts: 676Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Rimmersman
    Originally posted by Urvan
    Anyone else notice the title of this thread says "the greastest sandbox you'll never play" ? O_o I know this is probably a typo (more like a grammar mistake) but I found it a bit funny as it suggests we wouldn't play it til ya actually read the post that goes with it.

    Did you miss the part in the title that says "probably" or perhaps you purposely left that bit out. Also it's not a typo, it's actually meant to be in the title.

    No I didn't miss that out on purpose and it still suggests a possiblity that people won't play it.  Personally I don't see why that should be the irony of the title thread nore how it really links with the actual post.  From what I can tell the op suggests people will play it rather than not or at least gives them enough entice to try it out.  Therefor the title is more pure irony than anything else and imo a complete oxymoron and contridicting.  Maybe that was the op's intention, I donno, but I see it more of a grammar mistake than an actual intent for humor.

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  • RudedawgCDNRudedawgCDN Vancouver, BCPosts: 485Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sovrath

    hmmm, well, I downloaded it, started it up and before I could get into any rhthm of game play I was hit with the "this is for x type of member only". Essentially, getting hit with the cash shop.

    for a beta test (alpha? whatever it is) I was put off by having the hand out right from the gate. Now, if they gave players some "fake money" so that one could test the store and then become a premium member (or whatever) and then allow players to get into the game proper, then I might not have been so annoyed.

    took it off my hard drive.

     

    You have missed out on a FANTASTIC game.

    $20.00 to play. No monthly sub.

    Open Sand Box Game with TONS of interesting things to do - spying, kidnapping, stealing skills from other schools.... I could go on and on.

    I have played everything - EQ1 and 2 / Wow / Vanguard / DAOC / AC / AO / Warhammer / GW 1 and 2, etc...

    GW2 innovative?

    Sorry not even close - AOW is the most innovative mmo I have ever played.

    It's not perfect, but it has a lot to like about it.

  • RimmersmanRimmersman MonacoPosts: 885Member
    Originally posted by RudedawgCDN
    Originally posted by Sovrath

    hmmm, well, I downloaded it, started it up and before I could get into any rhthm of game play I was hit with the "this is for x type of member only". Essentially, getting hit with the cash shop.

    for a beta test (alpha? whatever it is) I was put off by having the hand out right from the gate. Now, if they gave players some "fake money" so that one could test the store and then become a premium member (or whatever) and then allow players to get into the game proper, then I might not have been so annoyed.

    took it off my hard drive.

     

    You have missed out on a FANTASTIC game.

    $20.00 to play. No monthly sub.

    Open Sand Box Game with TONS of interesting things to do - spying, kidnapping, stealing skills from other schools.... I could go on and on.

    I have played everything - EQ1 and 2 / Wow / Vanguard / DAOC / AC / AO / Warhammer / GW 1 and 2, etc...

    GW2 innovative?

    Sorry not even close - AOW is the most innovative mmo I have ever played.

    It's not perfect, but it has a lot to like about it.

    I second this, to actually download it and then take it off your hard drive without actually playing it just sums up mmo gamers at present.

     

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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,461Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by RudedawgCDN
    Originally posted by Sovrath

    hmmm, well, I downloaded it, started it up and before I could get into any rhthm of game play I was hit with the "this is for x type of member only". Essentially, getting hit with the cash shop.

    for a beta test (alpha? whatever it is) I was put off by having the hand out right from the gate. Now, if they gave players some "fake money" so that one could test the store and then become a premium member (or whatever) and then allow players to get into the game proper, then I might not have been so annoyed.

    took it off my hard drive.

     

    You have missed out on a FANTASTIC game.

    $20.00 to play. No monthly sub.

    Open Sand Box Game with TONS of interesting things to do - spying, kidnapping, stealing skills from other schools.... I could go on and on.

    I have played everything - EQ1 and 2 / Wow / Vanguard / DAOC / AC / AO / Warhammer / GW 1 and 2, etc...

    GW2 innovative?

    Sorry not even close - AOW is the most innovative mmo I have ever played.

    It's not perfect, but it has a lot to like about it.

    well, let's put it this way,

    How can I play a game, let alone test it (which was why I was there) when right out of the gate the hand is going into my wallet? I mean right then and there. No chance to really get hooked or to really experience anything before they say "if you want to start off you need to give us money. Real money."

    Now, you might say "well, if you just ignored that and did something else, it wouldn't have been an issue".

    Excpet that the first things I tried to do had the "ony for premium members" or whatever it was. My thought, testing aside, is that you can at least get me interested in the game, invested in the game by my own actions and THEN tell me what I need to pay for. I have no problems with companies making money. I do have a problem with a beta test that hits me up for money before I even know what the game is about, how it plays, and whether or not it gets me hooked.

    Asking for money just so I can then "make up my mind" was a bit of a downer for me. Eveywhere I moved I was hit by that roadblock. Could have just been my dumb luck but that was my experience.

     

  • RimmersmanRimmersman MonacoPosts: 885Member
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by RudedawgCDN
    Originally posted by Sovrath

    hmmm, well, I downloaded it, started it up and before I could get into any rhthm of game play I was hit with the "this is for x type of member only". Essentially, getting hit with the cash shop.

    for a beta test (alpha? whatever it is) I was put off by having the hand out right from the gate. Now, if they gave players some "fake money" so that one could test the store and then become a premium member (or whatever) and then allow players to get into the game proper, then I might not have been so annoyed.

    took it off my hard drive.

     

    You have missed out on a FANTASTIC game.

    $20.00 to play. No monthly sub.

    Open Sand Box Game with TONS of interesting things to do - spying, kidnapping, stealing skills from other schools.... I could go on and on.

    I have played everything - EQ1 and 2 / Wow / Vanguard / DAOC / AC / AO / Warhammer / GW 1 and 2, etc...

    GW2 innovative?

    Sorry not even close - AOW is the most innovative mmo I have ever played.

    It's not perfect, but it has a lot to like about it.

    well, let's put it this way,

    How can I play a game, let alone test it (which was why I was there) when right out of the gate the hand is going into my wallet? I mean right then and there. No chance to really get hooked or to really experience anything before they say "if you want to start off you need to give us money. Real money."

    Now, you might say "well, if you just ignored that and did something else, it wouldn't have been an issue".

    Excpet that the first things I tried to do had the "ony for premium members" or whatever it was. My thought, testing aside, is that you can at least get me interested in the game, invested in the game by my own actions and THEN tell me what I need to pay for. I have no problems with companies making money. I do have a problem with a beta test that hits me up for money before I even know what the game is about, how it plays, and whether or not it gets me hooked.

    Asking for money just so I can then "make up my mind" was a bit of a downer for me. Eveywhere I moved I was hit by that roadblock. Could have just been my dumb luck but that was my experience.

     

    What was that?

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  • TaishiFoxTaishiFox NottinghamPosts: 676Member Uncommon
    mmk, just had a little of a re-read through the article and I s'pose I see a reason behind the "never" part, it suggests the cash shop would put people off which I s'pose it would and judging by the recent responses I think it obviously has put at least someone off.  Anyway, just so ya know I wasn't trolling on the "never" thing, it just made me laugh cus when I first read it to myself it made me think "is this actually suggesting people wouldn't or shouldn't play or not?" I didn't quite understand, so yeah, anyway.. The game isn't all that bad but tbh for me it got kinda boring after a while but I bought premium before trying it and will probably still play it after release, I donno.

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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,461Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Rimmersman
     

    What was that?

    Rimmersman,

    I'm not going to list every thing I did in the hopes of validating my first experience. I just don't care to that degree.

    I logged in, clicked on a few things and was hit with the "this is for premium players".  I did this several times, then tried to kill a wolf just to see what that was about but I suppose my first skill wasn't sufficient as it was a long fight. Maybe the wolf was a level higher? don't know. Maybe I just got unlucky and clicked on the 4 or 5 things out of 20 thousand but there it is.

    I then thought 'well, I could look around for other things to do but at this point I'm not captivated. Logged off.

    Take it however you want to.

    Since it's obviousl you love the game I give you a "good for you, have fun!"

    But that was "my" experience.

  • InFlamestwoInFlamestwo HindPosts: 662Member
    So i heard it's pay to win. WHY IN THE HOLY FUCK are some developers using pay to win in their games. If i could sit face to face i would tell them all the reasons why it's bad and why it ruin games and communities.

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  • RimmersmanRimmersman MonacoPosts: 885Member
    Originally posted by Urvan
    mmk, just had a little of a re-read through the article and I s'pose I see a reason behind the "never" part, it suggests the cash shope would put people off which I s'pose it would and judging by the recent responses I think it obviously has put at least someone off.  Anyway, just so ya know I wasn't trolling on the "never" thing, it just made me laugh cus when I first read it to myself it made me think "is this actually suggesting people wouldn't or shouldn't play or not?" I didn't quite understand, so yeah, anyway.. The game isn't all that bad but tbh for me it got kinda boring after a while but I bought premium before trying it and will probably still play it after release, I donno.

    To be honest i was wondering why you didn't read between the lines.

    Age Of Wushu is an very good game and should be right up their with what ArcheAge has to offer minus the sea battles. What he was saying is don't let the cash shop put you off.

    We really don't know whether ArcheAge in the west won't have a cash shop, i think it will. It's  time to except that most mmos now will have a cash shop but it's how the system is set up that matters.

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  • TaishiFoxTaishiFox NottinghamPosts: 676Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sovrath

    Asking for money just so I can then "make up my mind" was a bit of a downer for me. Eveywhere I moved I was hit by that roadblock. Could have just been my dumb luck but that was my experience.

    Have to say this perticular part grabbed me and amused me because irony is that most P2P games do just that.  Sure this game is expected to be F2P but meh, since when do F2P games not hit you with "You must pay for this" each time you try to use some of its "prenium" features?  Sadly thats just how it is really with alot of games but hey, they gotta make money to pay the bills and labour somehow right?  Where I come from there's a saying we use quite commonly "nothing is free in this world" I think this lesson needs to be learned by some people.

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  • RimmersmanRimmersman MonacoPosts: 885Member
    Originally posted by InFlamestwo
    So i heard it's pay to win. WHY IN THE HOLY FUCK are some developers using pay to win in their games. If i could sit face to face i would tell them all the reasons why it's bad and why it ruin games and communities.

    Read please this on going debate  http://www.ageofwushu.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2345&sid=a387d8f83f4644caf8348714b75a4482

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  • FonclFoncl UppsalaPosts: 197Member
    I would try it out if it wasn't for the cash shop.
  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,461Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Urvan
    Originally posted by Sovrath

    Asking for money just so I can then "make up my mind" was a bit of a downer for me. Eveywhere I moved I was hit by that roadblock. Could have just been my dumb luck but that was my experience.

    Have to say this perticular part grabbed me and amused me because irony is that most P2P games do just that.  Sure this game is expected to be F2P but meh, since when do F2P games not hit you with "You must pay for this" each time you try to use some of its "prenium" features?  Sadly thats just how it is really with alot of games but hey, they gotta make money to pay the bills and labour somehow right?  Where I come from there's a saying we use quite commonly "nothing is free in this world" I think this lesson needs to be learned by some people.

    Oh, I have to clarify, I don't mind paying for my entertainment. As a matter of fact I always pay something in a f2p game to support the game.

    My issue with my starter experience, in a beta test, was that I ran into several instances of "this is for premium players".

    Now, i didn't know that this beta was really a sort of soft launch, so that makes sense. But I don't buy games that I am not already convinced that I can get something out of. Usually that comes from me being really jazzed by the subject matter or my experience with a beta or stress test.

    Since I was curious about the game and since I'm one of the 12 people left in the world who actually tests and submits bugs, suggestions, etc, I logged in and was met with the "this is for premium players" schtick. Since I wasn't captivated by anything yet I decided not to continue.

    If More and more players start raving about how awesome the game is, especially if they are players who have an opinion I generally find congruent with my own, then I will bite the bullet and pay the $20.00. Until then I'll just keep an eye on the game.

  • CecropiaCecropia Posts: 3,472Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sovrath

    hmmm, well, I downloaded it, started it up and before I could get into any rhthm of game play I was hit with the "this is for x type of member only". Essentially, getting hit with the cash shop.

    for a beta test (alpha? whatever it is) I was put off by having the hand out right from the gate. Now, if they gave players some "fake money" so that one could test the store and then become a premium member (or whatever) and then allow players to get into the game proper, then I might not have been so annoyed.

    took it off my hard drive.

     

    Thanks for the post.

    I was considering giving the Wushu a go, but this is enough for me to pass. I respect your opinion and you have confirmed that my concerns with the payment plan were valid.

    "Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb

  • HeretiqueHeretique Posts: 1,101Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by RudedawgCDN
    Originally posted by Sovrath

    hmmm, well, I downloaded it, started it up and before I could get into any rhthm of game play I was hit with the "this is for x type of member only". Essentially, getting hit with the cash shop.

    for a beta test (alpha? whatever it is) I was put off by having the hand out right from the gate. Now, if they gave players some "fake money" so that one could test the store and then become a premium member (or whatever) and then allow players to get into the game proper, then I might not have been so annoyed.

    took it off my hard drive.

     

    You have missed out on a FANTASTIC game.

    $20.00 to play. No monthly sub.

    Open Sand Box Game with TONS of interesting things to do - spying, kidnapping, stealing skills from other schools.... I could go on and on.

    I have played everything - EQ1 and 2 / Wow / Vanguard / DAOC / AC / AO / Warhammer / GW 1 and 2, etc...

    GW2 innovative?

    Sorry not even close - AOW is the most innovative mmo I have ever played.

    It's not perfect, but it has a lot to like about it.

    well, let's put it this way,

    How can I play a game, let alone test it (which was why I was there) when right out of the gate the hand is going into my wallet? I mean right then and there. No chance to really get hooked or to really experience anything before they say "if you want to start off you need to give us money. Real money."

    Now, you might say "well, if you just ignored that and did something else, it wouldn't have been an issue".

    Excpet that the first things I tried to do had the "ony for premium members" or whatever it was. My thought, testing aside, is that you can at least get me interested in the game, invested in the game by my own actions and THEN tell me what I need to pay for. I have no problems with companies making money. I do have a problem with a beta test that hits me up for money before I even know what the game is about, how it plays, and whether or not it gets me hooked.

    Asking for money just so I can then "make up my mind" was a bit of a downer for me. Eveywhere I moved I was hit by that roadblock. Could have just been my dumb luck but that was my experience.

     

    Pretty much this, I already see the fanboys putting on the riot gear so I will be quick. The "out the door" experience that AoW gives with it's limited "trial" should be re-evaluated so people who are interested enough to install the game are actually interested in playing the game or at least trying to.

    Sovrath's experience matches mine and another person I played AoW with. Seems like a game that is out to nickle and dime you. We've been seeing this a lot lately.

    Originally posted by salsa41
    are you have problem ?

  • TaishiFoxTaishiFox NottinghamPosts: 676Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Rimmersman
    Originally posted by Urvan
    mmk, just had a little of a re-read through the article and I s'pose I see a reason behind the "never" part, it suggests the cash shope would put people off which I s'pose it would and judging by the recent responses I think it obviously has put at least someone off.  Anyway, just so ya know I wasn't trolling on the "never" thing, it just made me laugh cus when I first read it to myself it made me think "is this actually suggesting people wouldn't or shouldn't play or not?" I didn't quite understand, so yeah, anyway.. The game isn't all that bad but tbh for me it got kinda boring after a while but I bought premium before trying it and will probably still play it after release, I donno.

    To be honest i was wondering why you didn't read between the lines.

    Age Of Wushu is an very good game and should be right up their with what ArcheAge has to offer minus the sea battles. What he was saying is don't let the cash shop put you off.

    We really don't know whether ArcheAge in the west won't have a cash shop, i think it will. It's  time to except that most mmos now will have a cash shop but it's how the system is set up that matters.

    Ya know I really would not compare this with ArcheAge, they're in a league of their own really.  For starters does Wushu offer you to create your own home? no it doesn't, but does ArcheAge? yes it does.  At a guess I think ArcheAge is more open world PVP where as Wushu is more based on opt in choice, so again its not the same.  The fact that you can mix things up to a more custom class is also quite different as to Wushu, although I read you can obtain other class skills, I never really found it that possible to mix things up to make a more unique class.  Also, of course, ArcheAge has more races to offer where as Wushu is focused on East Asian (Chinese from what I can tell) for obvious reason and of course their classes are biased to martial arts and samurai, again for obvious reason.

    In my honest opinion I'd say ArcheAge has a bit more to offer but Wushu obviously has some perks but either way I wouldn't bring ArcheAge into this nore would I dare to say Wushu was up there withi it, its not.

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  • InFlamestwoInFlamestwo HindPosts: 662Member
    Originally posted by Rimmersman
    Originally posted by InFlamestwo
    So i heard it's pay to win. WHY IN THE HOLY FUCK are some developers using pay to win in their games. If i could sit face to face i would tell them all the reasons why it's bad and why it ruin games and communities.

    Read please this on going debate  http://www.ageofwushu.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2345&sid=a387d8f83f4644caf8348714b75a4482

    I see so people called it pay to win because you could buy XP potions. That's not pay to win. Some people shouldn't be writing stuff they don't know about.

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  • picommanderpicommander SolingenPosts: 246Member Uncommon

    This (cut out from massively)

    Let me put it to you this way. I played ArcheAge's Korean beta, which featured no English whatsoever, and I picked up its systems much more quickly than I'm picking up AoW's. Some of the mechanics are simply indecipherable sans a bit of internet research, and even then it's hit or miss because of loose translations and the fact that western players are still figuring out the title's considerable complexity.

    and the fact that even my english spelling isn't the best would be an absolute no go for me.

    (hope this text snippet above doesn't brake the RoC, but a simple link to the whole article wouldn't focus what I mean)

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,461Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Cecropia
    Originally posted by Sovrath

    hmmm, well, I downloaded it, started it up and before I could get into any rhthm of game play I was hit with the "this is for x type of member only". Essentially, getting hit with the cash shop.

    for a beta test (alpha? whatever it is) I was put off by having the hand out right from the gate. Now, if they gave players some "fake money" so that one could test the store and then become a premium member (or whatever) and then allow players to get into the game proper, then I might not have been so annoyed.

    took it off my hard drive.

     

    Thanks for the post.

    I was considering giving the Wushu a go, but this is enough for me to pass. I respect your opinion and you have confirmed that my concerns with the payment plan were valid.

    well, the caveat could be that I was just unlucky and hit the few things where they let us know that a premium member has more access.

    Still, my bad luck or maybe how I play (which is usually to wander around and see what I can do/see) I met the "premium member" advertisments several times. Not knowing anything about the game other than the little I read I came to the conclusion that there could be more of this before I even got started to enjoy the game, let alone actually test.

    Yet it seems others have a similiar experience. For me, I submitted my opinions and will leave it at that until the time comes when I'm willing to pay to get a better idea of the game.

     

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,281Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Urvan
    Originally posted by Rimmersman
    Originally posted by Urvan
    mmk, just had a little of a re-read through the article and I s'pose I see a reason behind the "never" part, it suggests the cash shope would put people off which I s'pose it would and judging by the recent responses I think it obviously has put at least someone off.  Anyway, just so ya know I wasn't trolling on the "never" thing, it just made me laugh cus when I first read it to myself it made me think "is this actually suggesting people wouldn't or shouldn't play or not?" I didn't quite understand, so yeah, anyway.. The game isn't all that bad but tbh for me it got kinda boring after a while but I bought premium before trying it and will probably still play it after release, I donno.

    To be honest i was wondering why you didn't read between the lines.

    Age Of Wushu is an very good game and should be right up their with what ArcheAge has to offer minus the sea battles. What he was saying is don't let the cash shop put you off.

    We really don't know whether ArcheAge in the west won't have a cash shop, i think it will. It's  time to except that most mmos now will have a cash shop but it's how the system is set up that matters.

    Ya know I really would not compare this with ArcheAge, they're in a league of their own really.  For starters does Wushu offer you to create your own home? no it doesn't, but does ArcheAge? yes it does.  At a guess I think ArcheAge is more open world PVP where as Wushu is more based on opt in choice, so again its not the same.  The fact that you can mix things up to a more custom class is also quite different as to Wushu, although I read you can obtain other class skills, I never really found it that possible to mix things up to make a more unique class.  Also, of course, ArcheAge has more races to offer where as Wushu is focused on East Asian (Chinese from what I can tell) for obvious reason and of course their classes are biased to martial arts and samurai, again for obvious reason.

    In my honest opinion I'd say ArcheAge has a bit more to offer but Wushu obviously has some perks but either way I wouldn't bring ArcheAge into this nore would I dare to say Wushu was up there withi it, its not.

    I have never played a game that has more to offer when it comes to FFA pvp. I don't think there is a game that has everything from guildwars, to arenas, to school battles, bounties, warrants, kidnapping, spying, guild supply cart robbing. The list goes on. Not knocking  any game, but each one of those things I named are multi layerd systems. 

     

    AoW is FFA pvp. There is NO opt in system. You can put yourself on "safty" so to speak so that you don't hurt the others around you, but that doesnt stop them from hurting you lol. 

     

    No player housing, but huge guild keeps and open world farms. You can be anything from a musician to a begger.

  • RimmersmanRimmersman MonacoPosts: 885Member
    Originally posted by Urvan
    Originally posted by Rimmersman
    Originally posted by Urvan
    mmk, just had a little of a re-read through the article and I s'pose I see a reason behind the "never" part, it suggests the cash shope would put people off which I s'pose it would and judging by the recent responses I think it obviously has put at least someone off.  Anyway, just so ya know I wasn't trolling on the "never" thing, it just made me laugh cus when I first read it to myself it made me think "is this actually suggesting people wouldn't or shouldn't play or not?" I didn't quite understand, so yeah, anyway.. The game isn't all that bad but tbh for me it got kinda boring after a while but I bought premium before trying it and will probably still play it after release, I donno.

    To be honest i was wondering why you didn't read between the lines.

    Age Of Wushu is an very good game and should be right up their with what ArcheAge has to offer minus the sea battles. What he was saying is don't let the cash shop put you off.

    We really don't know whether ArcheAge in the west won't have a cash shop, i think it will. It's  time to except that most mmos now will have a cash shop but it's how the system is set up that matters.

    Ya know I really would not compare this with ArcheAge, they're in a league of their own really.  For starters does Wushu offer you to create your own home? no it doesn't, but does ArcheAge? yes it does.  At a guess I think ArcheAge is more open world PVP where as Wushu is more based on opt in choice, so again its not the same.  The fact that you can mix things up to a more custom class is also quite different as to Wushu, although I read you can obtain other class skills, I never really found it that possible to mix things up to make a more unique class.  Also, of course, ArcheAge has more races to offer where as Wushu is focused on East Asian (Chinese from what I can tell) for obvious reason and of course their classes are biased to martial arts and samurai, again for obvious reason.

    In my honest opinion I'd say ArcheAge has a bit more to offer but Wushu obviously has some perks but either way I wouldn't bring ArcheAge into this nore would I dare to say Wushu was up there withi it, its not.

    You can build forts that are faction housing.

    Guilds of 300 people can claim one of 32 areas in the game and build it up. This isn't a simple "donate 100 bricks for a wall" type construction, either. Players can actually choose where to place things. Now, this does tie in for guild wars (about 250 vs. 250), but players can use the guild housing for recreational purposes as well, such as dance-offs. Players can actually coordinate dances as the game gives them directional keys to hit to ensure that players are moving together.

    How is ArcheAge more open world PvP, isnt the fort PVP done in an instanced or enclosed bubble. I can PVP anywhere in Age Of Wushu?

    The whole game is FFA PvP in the open world, you can't deflag PVP.

    I can learn every skill in the game

    AoW is a skill-based game. The more you do certain activities, the better you get at them. There's no skill decay, though, and since you can cross-train with other schools (like classes in other MMOs, but they're also factions you can align yourself with), it's actually possible to master all the skills in the game. Of course, this is supposed to take a very long time.

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