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  • ZinzanZinzan NorthPosts: 1,351Member
    Indie.

    Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy :)

  • BuniontToesBuniontToes Wayout, DEPosts: 529Member

    Av is a small development team trying to please a  community filled with trolls, crybabies, liars, andd thieves. 

     

    With the changes I have seen in this beta, the decision to re-launch  as a new game is going to be a good one.  The game has been re-imgined while remaining true to its core.  Doing this while re-using the already developeed IP.

     

    I also think Tasos learned a lesson in software development.  Never think that risk is mitigated because you are using third party deliverables.  You always need interal QA checks on annyhting delivered from a 3rd party.  I won;t go into detailss but most of the bugs in beta have been directly related to this.

  • BadaboomBadaboom Moose Jaw, SKPosts: 2,380Member
    I won't say to much cuz of NDA but I haven't seen this many people in Darkfall since original release, maybe even more.  I hope AV doesn't release this game until its ready, otherwise the STEAM community will give them hell (ie WarZ).
  • apocolusterapocoluster newport news, VAPosts: 1,321Member Uncommon
      Hope they do well, but their games arent for me  :8D

    No matter how cynical you become, its never enough to keep up - Lily Tomlin

  • ShanniaShannia Huntingdon, NYPosts: 2,096Member

    One word... Amatures.

    I love the Darkfall Online concept, but do not feel that Aventurine can deliver and here is why...

    I've been following Tacos and Aventurine for about a decade now.  Tacos reminds me a lot of what we know about Bill Gates except one thing... Bill Gates knew when to back off and in bring in the professionals that were going to take Microsoft to the next level.  Tacos on the other hand has to be the show and dictator on all things Darkfall.  Things have stooped so low at Aventurine, Tacos has even started blaming interns for things going wrong. 

    I really do wish the best for the players.  They've waited a long time for Aventurine to get their act together with this project. 

    Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware

    "Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."

  • BuniontToesBuniontToes Wayout, DEPosts: 529Member
    Originally posted by Shannia

    One word... Amatures.

    I love the Darkfall Online concept, but do not feel that Aventurine can deliver and here is why...

    I've been following Tacos and Aventurine for about a decade now.  Tacos reminds me a lot of what we know about Bill Gates except one thing... Bill Gates knew when to back off and in bring in the professionals that were going to take Microsoft to the next level.  Tacos on the other hand has to be the show and dictator on all things Darkfall.  Things have stooped so low at Aventurine, Tacos has even started blaming interns for things going wrong. 

    I really do wish the best for the players.  They've waited a long time for Aventurine to get their act together with this project. 

    You don't know what you are talking about.  Lets take a look at the "professionals":

    • Look at FunCom games and how they are developed   and launched (AoC, AO).  These guys unlike Av literally faked in game footage and released it.  The introduced more content before the got the basic mechanics working.  These were AAA titles with hundreds of developers working on them.
    • Look at VG and its development debacle. Again, this game would release features before basic game mechanics were functional.  I won't even go into the  fact they they refused to ban hackers until most of the population left. 
    • As for Microsoft.  I work with Microsoft as a partner and they are  nothing close to proofessional.  I can list a litany of amature action they engage in.  Failure to define products, they won't give you project dealines at all, they will convince partners to put money on the line for a general date of release then postpone for a year.
    Let us not even talk about the non AAA guys like MO.
     
    The reality  is that very few games succeed in the MMO sphere.  Av's practices are  somewhere in the middle and they are hugely understaffed.  While they occasional say some stupid stuff, they have done an amazing job witht he resources at hand.
  • BuniontToesBuniontToes Wayout, DEPosts: 529Member

    Some perspecctive:

     

    • Darkfall 1 - 11 Developers increasing to ~30 at launch
    • Darkfall 2 UW - 55 Developers (last 4 months)
    • Vanguard SOH - 150 employees
    • Guildwars 2 - 250 Developers
    • Wow (Blizzard) - 4,900 Employees

     

    Obvioulssy the Blizzard number are not all wokring on WoW but the number is HUGE in comparisn to the Av team.  Unless you have tried to develop using limited resources just stop compaining.

     

  • ShanniaShannia Huntingdon, NYPosts: 2,096Member
    Originally posted by BuniontToes
    Originally posted by Shannia

    One word... Amatures.

    I love the Darkfall Online concept, but do not feel that Aventurine can deliver and here is why...

    I've been following Tacos and Aventurine for about a decade now.  Tacos reminds me a lot of what we know about Bill Gates except one thing... Bill Gates knew when to back off and in bring in the professionals that were going to take Microsoft to the next level.  Tacos on the other hand has to be the show and dictator on all things Darkfall.  Things have stooped so low at Aventurine, Tacos has even started blaming interns for things going wrong. 

    I really do wish the best for the players.  They've waited a long time for Aventurine to get their act together with this project. 

    You don't know what you are talking about.  Lets take a look at the "professionals":

    • Look at FunCom games and how they are developed   and launched (AoC, AO).  These guys unlike Av literally faked in game footage and released it.  The introduced more content before the got the basic mechanics working.  These were AAA titles with hundreds of developers working on them.
    • Look at VG and its development debacle. Again, this game would release features before basic game mechanics were functional.  I won't even go into the  fact they they refused to ban hackers until most of the population left. 
    • As for Microsoft.  I work with Microsoft as a partner and they are  nothing close to proofessional.  I can list a litany of amature action they engage in.  Failure to define products, they won't give you project dealines at all, they will convince partners to put money on the line for a general date of release then postpone for a year.
    Let us not even talk about the non AAA guys like MO.
     
    The reality  is that very few games succeed in the MMO sphere.  Av's practices are  somewhere in the middle and they are hugely understaffed.  While they occasional say some stupid stuff, they have done an amazing job witht he resources at hand.

    If they are so unprofessional, why are you a Microsoft partner?  The OP asked us to summarize how we feel about Aventurine and I did.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I agree with you on Funcom.  As far as Sigil goes, that was a prime example of why Nepatism in a game studio is a very bad thing... I could be wrong, but an industry professional instead of in-laws may up a companies chance of success.

     

    Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware

    "Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."

  • BuniontToesBuniontToes Wayout, DEPosts: 529Member
    Originally posted by Shannia
    Originally posted by BuniontToes
    Originally posted by Shannia

    One word... Amatures.

    I love the Darkfall Online concept, but do not feel that Aventurine can deliver and here is why...

    I've been following Tacos and Aventurine for about a decade now.  Tacos reminds me a lot of what we know about Bill Gates except one thing... Bill Gates knew when to back off and in bring in the professionals that were going to take Microsoft to the next level.  Tacos on the other hand has to be the show and dictator on all things Darkfall.  Things have stooped so low at Aventurine, Tacos has even started blaming interns for things going wrong. 

    I really do wish the best for the players.  They've waited a long time for Aventurine to get their act together with this project. 

    You don't know what you are talking about.  Lets take a look at the "professionals":

    • Look at FunCom games and how they are developed   and launched (AoC, AO).  These guys unlike Av literally faked in game footage and released it.  The introduced more content before the got the basic mechanics working.  These were AAA titles with hundreds of developers working on them.
    • Look at VG and its development debacle. Again, this game would release features before basic game mechanics were functional.  I won't even go into the  fact they they refused to ban hackers until most of the population left. 
    • As for Microsoft.  I work with Microsoft as a partner and they are  nothing close to proofessional.  I can list a litany of amature action they engage in.  Failure to define products, they won't give you project dealines at all, they will convince partners to put money on the line for a general date of release then postpone for a year.
    Let us not even talk about the non AAA guys like MO.
     
    The reality  is that very few games succeed in the MMO sphere.  Av's practices are  somewhere in the middle and they are hugely understaffed.  While they occasional say some stupid stuff, they have done an amazing job witht he resources at hand.

    If they are so unprofessional, why are you a Microsoft partner?  The OP asked us to summarize how we feel about Aventurine and I did.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I agree with you on Funcom.  As far as Sigil goes, that was a prime example of why Nepatism in a game studio is a very bad thing... I could be wrong, but an industry professional instead of in-laws may up a companies chance of success.

     

    Because OEM vendors hedge thier bets across multiple oeprating systems.  I  have worked on everythng from Microsoft, Android, QNX, Green Hiils, andd more.

  • ZyzraZyzra Madison, WIPosts: 354Member
    Originally posted by BuniontToes

    Some perspecctive:

     

    • Darkfall 1 - 11 Developers increasing to ~30 at launch
    • Darkfall 2 UW - 55 Developers (last 4 months)
    • Vanguard SOH - 150 employees
    • Guildwars 2 - 250 Developers
    • Wow (Blizzard) - 4,900 Employees

     

    Obvioulssy the Blizzard number are not all wokring on WoW but the number is HUGE in comparisn to the Av team.  Unless you have tried to develop using limited resources just stop compaining.

     

    More perspective:

    Miasmata - 2 developers, brothers in fact.  Game got largely positive reviews as well, with a better UI, graphics, and representation of their game.

    Obviously the Darkfall UW number is HUGE in comparison to the Miasmata brothers, but AV still can't use their greater resources to produce something of quality.

  • EnzoBautistaEnzoBautista MerseysidePosts: 29Member

    Well, with Adventurine being a small company I'd like to believe they want to impress and deliver the best quality end product.

    I'd like to think they will live and learn from Darkfall 1 ( The good and the bad ) and use that experience to further develope themselves.

    It's not the dog in the fight, It's the fight in the dog right?

  • BuniontToesBuniontToes Wayout, DEPosts: 529Member
    Originally posted by Zyzra
    Originally posted by BuniontToes

    Some perspecctive:

     

    • Darkfall 1 - 11 Developers increasing to ~30 at launch
    • Darkfall 2 UW - 55 Developers (last 4 months)
    • Vanguard SOH - 150 employees
    • Guildwars 2 - 250 Developers
    • Wow (Blizzard) - 4,900 Employees

     

    Obvioulssy the Blizzard number are not all wokring on WoW but the number is HUGE in comparisn to the Av team.  Unless you have tried to develop using limited resources just stop compaining.

     

    More perspective:

    Miasmata - 2 developers, brothers in fact.  Game got largely positive reviews as well, with a better UI, graphics, and representation of their game.

    Obviously the Darkfall UW number is HUGE in comparison to the Miasmata brothers, but AV still can't use their greater resources to produce something of quality.

    Mismata  is a  single player game wtritten on an existing game eengine.  To get an idea of the orders of complexity between this  and an MMO.:

    • MMO game engine
    • Server architecture
    • Client  server syncronization
    • Cleint security
    • Sever security
    Each one of these is likely more complex than an entire single player game.
     
    Now lets mention that yyour game was relased 2 weeks ago.  Not like you have mucfch time or expeure to even claim anyhtijng is  good or  not.
  • KanylKanyl a cold placePosts: 246Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Consensus

    they are currently patching the beta everyday atm, and tasos is posting replies to feedback and questions on the forums.

    they are really perking up as a comany in my eyes atm.

    they are terrible at meeting etas but to be fair so are valve and alot of loved developers who actually have unlimited resources unlike AV.

    Sounds good! What would you say about the game so far? Struggling with the thought, if I should buy it now and get into the beta -> play the game....

  • ZyzraZyzra Madison, WIPosts: 354Member
    Originally posted by BuniontToes
    Originally posted by Zyzra
    Originally posted by BuniontToes

    Some perspecctive:

     

    • Darkfall 1 - 11 Developers increasing to ~30 at launch
    • Darkfall 2 UW - 55 Developers (last 4 months)
    • Vanguard SOH - 150 employees
    • Guildwars 2 - 250 Developers
    • Wow (Blizzard) - 4,900 Employees

     

    Obvioulssy the Blizzard number are not all wokring on WoW but the number is HUGE in comparisn to the Av team.  Unless you have tried to develop using limited resources just stop compaining.

     

    More perspective:

    Miasmata - 2 developers, brothers in fact.  Game got largely positive reviews as well, with a better UI, graphics, and representation of their game.

    Obviously the Darkfall UW number is HUGE in comparison to the Miasmata brothers, but AV still can't use their greater resources to produce something of quality.

    Mismata  is a  single player game wtritten on an existing game eengine.  To get an idea of the orders of complexity between this  and an MMO.:

    • MMO game engine
    • Server architecture
    • Client  server syncronization
    • Cleint security
    • Sever security
    Each one of these is likely more complex than an entire single player game.
     
    Now lets mention that yyour game was relased 2 weeks ago.  Not like you have mucfch time or expeure to even claim anyhtijng is  good or  not.

    Well I may not have had much time, but last I looked its metacritic average was higher than any of the individual critic Darkfall 1 reviews on metacritic.

    Also, yes they don't have multiplayer.  However did you know that Darkfall Unholy Wars has the advantage of being based on an existing game called Darkfall?  I mean maybe the adding of 'roles' in an expansion for an existing game and trying to fix a few bugs along the way requires the additional 50 employees or so, but I would struggle very hard to say with a straight face  that means the 55 people working on Darkfall UW did a better job than the 2 devs who have a functional game that is released.

  • skorner64skorner64 North Andover, MAPosts: 47Member

    Ok so I was wondering the exact question before I preordered the game. I was curious because I saw alot of negative feedback and comments about AV here AND on their own official boards. But after spending more time on their boards and the beta forum, I can say I'm not longer worried. They have had great communication with the playerbase (1-2 updates on the forum a day about what they are working on and bugs they find.) Also they regularly comment on feedback and threads from beta players. They seem to also be working around the clock and pushing out alot of patches this past week. So for anyone wondering if they are a company worth supporting, from what I've seen so far Iw ould definately say yes.

    In the future it could change, maybe they're more enthusiatic because it's so close to launch of their new game. But if they continue at the rate they're going, I'd say it's one of the most hard working small company I've interacted with.

  • ArnoagnsArnoagns highland, INPosts: 100Member

    Unscrupulous.

     

     Customer service? It was fine. I wouldn't count that as a positive for the game developer, customer service reps work FOR the company, they are not IN the company.

     

    Updates? Eh. So - so, nothing that my guild at the time really wanted to see. Consistently disappointed by them and when they finally introduced community spotlight members information was undescriptive.

     

     

    Listen to the players? All they do is fluff to "settle" us, they don't REALLY listen. Fun hulks, anyone?

     

     

     I dealt with them when I played darkfall, for awhile, before I quit and sold my account due to laden issues/not trusting the company..

     

     

  • Crunchy222Crunchy222 new york, ILPosts: 386Member

    They bite off more than they can chew.

    Their communication, deadline prediction, and view of the state of the game are beyond off.  They settle for less to satisfy the vocal minority.  They tend to focus on satisfying the worst possible crowd for the health of a sandbox mmorpg.  This is why all of their efforts are towards removing grind, making it easy for new players, and making pvp more accessable...rather than putting more sand in the sandbox.

     

     

    but

     

    when it all breaks down...they are the ONLY development studio with a playable full loot sandbox with clan warfare politics as the focus of gameplay.  Its basically this game, a few barely functional versions...none of which have made any significant progress in improving over the course of years... and most have died.  OR you can play a shallow themepark "uber pvp" with zero risk type game.

     

    You like this type of game this here is all you get.  

     

    Second AV gets real competition, and that competition isnt a bunch of clowns, this game and this company are in serious trouble however.

  • DavisFlightDavisFlight Talahasee, FLPosts: 2,556Member
    Originally posted by Arnoagns

    Listen to the players? All they do is fluff to "settle" us, they don't REALLY listen. Fun hulks, anyone?

     

     

    Almost every single update to the game was based directly on player feedback...

     

    I would say, they're mavericks. Many publishers over the years have tried to get them to change the game into an instanced WoW clone, and they refused.

  • TeilkTeilk Asheville, NCPosts: 15Member
    Originally posted by the420kid

    small dedicated company with a game thats far bigger than there company...

    It may take some time but I have high hopes for dfuw and AV they are doing all the right things right now in beta its just going to take them a while to get everything fixed but so far very happy with there work lvl.

    I too am happy with the newfound communication. My inner cynic, however, reminds me that they communicated just like this during the Darkfall beta. Hopefully they learned that the devs are not supposed to drop off the map when the game goes live.

  • phantomghostphantomghost Atlanta, GAPosts: 692Member Uncommon

    I learned early on they cannot meet deadlines.  Although I do think they are doing a great job on the game this time around.... the picture is how I learned deadlines would not be met.

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXPosts: 5,348Member
    Originally posted by Teilk
    Originally posted by the420kid

    small dedicated company with a game thats far bigger than there company...

    It may take some time but I have high hopes for dfuw and AV they are doing all the right things right now in beta its just going to take them a while to get everything fixed but so far very happy with there work lvl.

    I too am happy with the newfound communication. My inner cynic, however, reminds me that they communicated just like this during the Darkfall beta. Hopefully they learned that the devs are not supposed to drop off the map when the game goes live.

    if the game ends up being totally amazing but they never communicate will you leave the game because they dont communicate?

    Correlation does not imply causation

  • egotripegotrip Banana rep.Posts: 875Member
    Originally posted by phantomghost

    I learned early on they cannot meet deadlines.  Although I do think they are doing a great job on the game this time around.... the picture is how I learned deadlines would not be met.

    WOW !!!!

    I think that at this point what is really noteworthy is not the lack of credibility that AV has with the whole delay after delay , broken promise after broken promise , or the fact that they ban anyone that points that out on their forums ; what is really noteworthy is that :

    Somebody's actually still using IE  as a browser???

     

    Really ?? IE ??

     

    I mean just , WOW....

     

    Mindblown !!

    Iiii-iiiiiit's.... me!!! *Hooray*

  • FusionFusion VaasaPosts: 1,391Member Uncommon

    I have an example of billing.

    I was double-charged the subscription (for DF:UW) for reasons unkown to me, i contacted support and the money was back on my account in less than a week.

    I consider that good support.

    Currently playing: -

    Waiting for: Class4.

    Dead and Buried: ESO, NWO, GW2, SWTOR, Darkfall, AO, AC2, Vanguard, CoH/V, EnB, EVE, Neocron, FE, EQ, EQ2, DAoC, FFXI, FFXIV, SWG, WoW, and billions of eastern junks!

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,262Member Uncommon

    I still plan on buy DF:UW at release. This beta sounds pretty rough though, at the moment AoW seems to be a much better buy. From the outside looking in Adventurine seems over ambitious. It doesn't seem like there talent matches their ideas.

     

    That being said. I'm not sure I've seen a game where the the player base thinks so little of the developer, but love the game so much. That says a lot for the systems they have in place.

  • BadaboomBadaboom Moose Jaw, SKPosts: 2,380Member
    Originally posted by bcbully

    I still plan on buy DF:UW at release. This beta sounds pretty rough though, at the moment AoW seems to be a much better buy. From the outside looking in Adventurine seems over ambitious. It doesn't seem like there talent matches their ideas.

     

    That being said. I'm not sure I've seen a game where the the player base thinks so little of the developer, but love the game so much. That says a lot for the systems they have in place.

    If anyone is interested in knowing more about the current state of the beta prior to buying the game, feel free to PM me.

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