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  • Lovely_LalyLovely_Laly genevaPosts: 734Member

    I loved GW1 and just shocked how GW2 is unpopular compare to great success of early GW.
    May be time changed and Anet missed something...

    try before buy, even if it's a game to avoid bad surprises.
    Worst surprises for me: Aion, GW2

  • mysticalunamysticaluna Scotia, NYPosts: 265Member Uncommon

    Well, the main thing most games seem to miss is fun entertaining variety of starter zones and reasons to make alts... You either go the one main character does it all route and provide endless fluff entertainment mini-games and hardcore grinding for that one character, or you actually make a variety of starter zones for alts. 

    This is part of why Everquest 1 was successful, they had a starter zone for all of the different races.  Wood Elves and High Elves share Greater Faydark but have their own cities of Kelethin and Felwithe, Dark Elves get Neriak and their own forest, Ogres get Oggrok and Feerott, Humans get Qeynos and Qeynos Hills, Barbarians get Halas and Everfrost, Gnomes get Ak'anon and Steamfont Mountains, Dwarves get Kaladim and Butcherblock, Halflings get Misty Thicket and Rivervale, Iksars get Field of Bone and Cabilis, why would you make only 1 linear level path ala Star Wars : The Old Republic?

    Everquest 1 took forever to level, opened up socialization with slow combat and camping/grinding, and had a variety of leveling paths for alts, even though you were allowed to do almost all tradeskill professions on a main character.  In newer games you only get 1 linear path that is fun for the story usually only once... 

    I seriously want Guild Wars 2 to succeed, because I think buy to play is way better than freemium and it would be nice if companies would follow their example, but no game should ever be released with only 1 leveling path... 

    No one who bought a game that then goes free, should have to be penalized with the inability to wear their armor attained while they were paying a subscription, armor should just be grandfathered in... Any new armor could be restricted to sub only, but not being able to wear old gear? Meh... 

    Epic/Legendary gear shouldn't be sub only until max level, because all it does is reduce the reason for grouping when a free player can't equip any gear, so they have no reason to group for gear that they can't use... Therefore, all they do is solo, which provides no entertainment to paying subscribers anyway... Except, for the social commentary in guild chat, and maybe they do some crafting? I wish for a buy to play that you can buy once and not have to deal with restrictions, after all you bought it, the box for full price and then expansions... Without having to take a restrictive cut for not paying a subscription, even though you are perfectly willing to buy expansion packs... 

  • CorehavenCorehaven Colorado Springs, COPosts: 1,538Member
    Originally posted by Lovely_Laly

    I loved GW1 and just shocked how GW2 is unpopular compare to great success of early GW.
    May be time changed and Anet missed something...

     

    Thing that's probably important to realize.  GW2 is anything but "unpopular".  Check the front page of this site.  Its the most popular released game.  Which is odd when you see so many hate threads regarding GW2 and negative responses on this very site!  Until you realize its the same people, in almost every GW2 thread, commenting negatively about the game.  I don't usually say that, but in this case it's amazingly true.  Go look.  Pick any GW2 thread.  You will see the same negative commenters in every single thread, as though they are on a mission. 

     

    Or if that's not good enough, check user reviews on Metacritic.  Has an average score of 8.1 among its players, with 1,818 reviews counted.  Want to convice me its not popular?  Okay mmorpg.com GW2 haters, head over there and cast your vote, and watch the score move down......you know....not at all. 

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/guild-wars-2

  • TerranahTerranah Stockton, CAPosts: 3,605Member
    I see people running around when I log in.  That's the only measure I have. 
  • eye_meye_m Notta Chance, ABPosts: 3,133Member Uncommon
    It's sickening how such a vocal minority can be so overbearing and cause so much disgust that honest members are leaving the site because they are tired of the lies spread by a outspoken few.  Once the honest members all leave, what is the value in the discussion that is left? 

    All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

    I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.

    I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.

  • NaralNaral Solway, MNPosts: 751Member
    Originally posted by Terranah
    I see people running around when I log in.  That's the only measure I have. 

    I didn't, that was the measurement that sent me packing, finally. Full server, but the only place you saw people in any number was Orr and LA.

    In spite of being *able* to go back to earlier zones, no one seems to, and a full server becomes a really relative term. It reminds me of Alaska. Half the population of the state lives in Anchorage, the rest is so scattered you end up with huge, unpopulated areas. It make a game with "full" servers, feel pretty damn empty.

  • gordiflugordiflu BarcelonaPosts: 757Member
    Originally posted by eyelolled
    It's sickening how such a vocal minority can be so overbearing and cause so much disgust that honest members are leaving the site because they are tired of the lies spread by a outspoken few.  Once the honest members all leave, what is the value in the discussion that is left? 

    I have made several tests and I am very sure that the fanbois are way more vocal than the haters. They really are.

    My latest temporary ban was becouse I dared to post something like "you fanbois are the main reason for me not trying this game".

    I recently created two separate threads about a game, one with positive stuff, another with negative stuff.

    The positive one hardly got 3 answers.

    The negative one got well over 50 with the very first ones beeing on the "you don't know how to play" and "you know nothing about games" line.

    You, for example, instead of trying to argue what others have posted and you think that is wrong, are going directly for the personal attack, blaming the haters for people leaving the site (without even trying to prove that such thing is actually happening).

  • Bad.dogBad.dog Belleville, ONPosts: 1,108Member
    Originally posted by gordiflu
    Originally posted by eyelolled
    It's sickening how such a vocal minority can be so overbearing and cause so much disgust that honest members are leaving the site because they are tired of the lies spread by a outspoken few.  Once the honest members all leave, what is the value in the discussion that is left? 

    I have made several tests and I am very sure that the fanbois are way more vocal than the haters. They really are.

    My latest temporary ban was becouse I dared to post something like "you fanbois are the main reason for me not trying this game".

    I recently created two separate threads about a game, one with positive stuff, another with negative stuff.

    The positive one hardly got 3 answers.

    The negative one got well over 50 with the very first ones beeing on the "you don't know how to play" and "you know nothing about games" line.

    You, for example, instead of trying to argue what others have posted and you think that is wrong, are going directly for the personal attack, blaming the haters for people leaving the site (without even trying to prove that such thing is actually happening).

    Not even close ..I remember a hater having over a 1000 posts before the game came out

    See what you miss are the true fanbois are the Hater's ....what motivates a person to come to another games forums and post negative vibes unless they are motived by being a real fanbois of some other game ?

    Why would a poster who loves Sandbox games even bother coming to a GW2 forum?

    Why would a true raider and hard-core meta player take time out of their game to come to these forums?

    Why would the poster children for TSW make 10 times as many posts in the GW2 forums as the TSW forums?

    Why would someone post daily in the GW2 forums about how boring and shallow it is and yet have jumped on the bandwagon for TSW...Rift ...WOW ...SWtor ..and now DF2 in the same period of time?

    Why would someone spend more time being a Hater in GW2 forums then actually playing the game they like?

  • ZalmonZalmon Bloomington, INPosts: 319Member
    Originally posted by Bad.dog
    Originally posted by gordiflu
    Originally posted by eyelolled
    It's sickening how such a vocal minority can be so overbearing and cause so much disgust that honest members are leaving the site because they are tired of the lies spread by a outspoken few.  Once the honest members all leave, what is the value in the discussion that is left? 

    I have made several tests and I am very sure that the fanbois are way more vocal than the haters. They really are.

    My latest temporary ban was becouse I dared to post something like "you fanbois are the main reason for me not trying this game".

    I recently created two separate threads about a game, one with positive stuff, another with negative stuff.

    The positive one hardly got 3 answers.

    The negative one got well over 50 with the very first ones beeing on the "you don't know how to play" and "you know nothing about games" line.

    You, for example, instead of trying to argue what others have posted and you think that is wrong, are going directly for the personal attack, blaming the haters for people leaving the site (without even trying to prove that such thing is actually happening).

    Not even close ..I remember a hater having over a 1000 posts before the game came out

    See what you miss are the true fanbois are the Hater's ....what motivates a person to come to another games forums and post negative vibes unless they are motived by being a real fanbois of some other game ?

    Why would a poster who loves Sandbox games even bother coming to a GW2 forum?

    Why would a true raider and hard-core meta player take time out of their game to come to these forums?

    Why would the poster children for TSW make 10 times as many posts in the GW2 forums as the TSW forums?

    Why would someone post daily in the GW2 forums about how boring and shallow it is and yet have jumped on the bandwagon for TSW...Rift ...WOW ...SWtor ..and now DF2 in the same period of time?

    Why would someone spend more time being a Hater in GW2 forums then actually playing the game they like?

    I have noticed that people who claim to be head over heels in love with GW2 also spend more time defending the game than playing it. Why? there is no deep reason behind it. It is simple really. Both sides just want to win and this is nothing but forum PVP.

  • VolkonVolkon Sterling, VAPosts: 3,788Member
    Originally posted by Zalmon
    Originally posted by Bad.dog
    Originally posted by gordiflu
    Originally posted by eyelolled
    It's sickening how such a vocal minority can be so overbearing and cause so much disgust that honest members are leaving the site because they are tired of the lies spread by a outspoken few.  Once the honest members all leave, what is the value in the discussion that is left? 

    I have made several tests and I am very sure that the fanbois are way more vocal than the haters. They really are.

    My latest temporary ban was becouse I dared to post something like "you fanbois are the main reason for me not trying this game".

    I recently created two separate threads about a game, one with positive stuff, another with negative stuff.

    The positive one hardly got 3 answers.

    The negative one got well over 50 with the very first ones beeing on the "you don't know how to play" and "you know nothing about games" line.

    You, for example, instead of trying to argue what others have posted and you think that is wrong, are going directly for the personal attack, blaming the haters for people leaving the site (without even trying to prove that such thing is actually happening).

    Not even close ..I remember a hater having over a 1000 posts before the game came out

    See what you miss are the true fanbois are the Hater's ....what motivates a person to come to another games forums and post negative vibes unless they are motived by being a real fanbois of some other game ?

    Why would a poster who loves Sandbox games even bother coming to a GW2 forum?

    Why would a true raider and hard-core meta player take time out of their game to come to these forums?

    Why would the poster children for TSW make 10 times as many posts in the GW2 forums as the TSW forums?

    Why would someone post daily in the GW2 forums about how boring and shallow it is and yet have jumped on the bandwagon for TSW...Rift ...WOW ...SWtor ..and now DF2 in the same period of time?

    Why would someone spend more time being a Hater in GW2 forums then actually playing the game they like?

    I have noticed that people who claim to be head over heels in love with GW2 also spend more time defending the game than playing it. Why? there is no deep reason behind it. It is simple really. Both sides just want to win and this is nothing but forum PVP.

     I'm approaching a thousand hours played (yikes). You have a good point about the forum PvP, but for me personally I just have a thing with blatant falsehoods being tossed out there like facts.Legit criticism is fine, such as the question of not enough means to get cogs this Wintersday. Doesn't make sense that there's no way to even grind out more, and why did I get an extra 200 when I need 250 to craft a minipet?! Makes no sense.

    Oderint, dum metuant.
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  • OziiusOziius Baltimore, MDPosts: 1,388Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by UWNVME

    I always hear the haters using leveling zone activity as the basis of their argument for "GW2 is dead". Fact is, the activity in GW2's leveling zones is really not that much different from those in WoW. I remember Summer of 2011, I was playing WoW and leveling an alt on Alliance Proudmoore, the top West Coast PVE Alliance realm, and yet believe it or not, outside of Elwynn Forest, none of the leveling zones were an endless burst of activity. I spent lots of time leveling in mid-level zones and only seeing the occasional other player pass by every few minutes. I would do zone searches just to see the exact number and that usually ranged from no higher than 8-13 at evening hours. It feels just as GW2 does now.

     

    It's not hard for me to understand. People hit max level in MMO's and then they go chill in whatever the main hub city happens to be. It's like this in GW2 and it was like this on my old WoW server. Yeah lots of people levelup alts as well, but for most it's not a top priority.

    The difference being of course that wow is 8 years old. GW2 is less then 6 months old.  

  • OziiusOziius Baltimore, MDPosts: 1,388Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by Zalmon
    Originally posted by Bad.dog
    Originally posted by gordiflu
     

     I'm approaching a thousand hours played (yikes). You have a good point about the forum PvP, but for me personally I just have a thing with blatant falsehoods being tossed out there like facts.Legit criticism is fine, such as the question of not enough means to get cogs this Wintersday. Doesn't make sense that there's no way to even grind out more, and why did I get an extra 200 when I need 250 to craft a minipet?! Makes no sense.

    I have to ask...... How? I haven't done te math yet but that seems staggering! 

     

    Update: Ok, messed with some numbers. Game has been out for what? like 120 days or so? That would mean you play like 8 hours a day? Holy shit... 

  • VolkonVolkon Sterling, VAPosts: 3,788Member
    Originally posted by Praetalus
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by Zalmon
    Originally posted by Bad.dog
    Originally posted by gordiflu
     

     I'm approaching a thousand hours played (yikes). You have a good point about the forum PvP, but for me personally I just have a thing with blatant falsehoods being tossed out there like facts.Legit criticism is fine, such as the question of not enough means to get cogs this Wintersday. Doesn't make sense that there's no way to even grind out more, and why did I get an extra 200 when I need 250 to craft a minipet?! Makes no sense.

    I have to ask...... How? I haven't done te math yet but that seems staggering! 

     

    Update: Ok, messed with some numbers. Game has been out for what? like 120 days or so? That would mean you play like 8 hours a day? Holy shit... 

     I figure I should show I'm not lying...

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    Oderint, dum metuant.
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  • itgrowlsitgrowls newport news, VAPosts: 2,951Member
    Originally posted by eyelolled
    It's sickening how such a vocal minority can be so overbearing and cause so much disgust that honest members are leaving the site because they are tired of the lies spread by a outspoken few.  Once the honest members all leave, what is the value in the discussion that is left? 

    Which site and who are the dishonest minority?

  • gordiflugordiflu BarcelonaPosts: 757Member
    Originally posted by Bad.dog
    Originally posted by gordiflu
    Originally posted by eyelolled
    It's sickening how such a vocal minority can be so overbearing and cause so much disgust that honest members are leaving the site because they are tired of the lies spread by a outspoken few.  Once the honest members all leave, what is the value in the discussion that is left? 

    I have made several tests and I am very sure that the fanbois are way more vocal than the haters. They really are.

    My latest temporary ban was becouse I dared to post something like "you fanbois are the main reason for me not trying this game".

    I recently created two separate threads about a game, one with positive stuff, another with negative stuff.

    The positive one hardly got 3 answers.

    The negative one got well over 50 with the very first ones beeing on the "you don't know how to play" and "you know nothing about games" line.

    You, for example, instead of trying to argue what others have posted and you think that is wrong, are going directly for the personal attack, blaming the haters for people leaving the site (without even trying to prove that such thing is actually happening).

    Not even close ..I remember a hater having over a 1000 posts before the game came out

    See what you miss are the true fanbois are the Hater's ....what motivates a person to come to another games forums and post negative vibes unless they are motived by being a real fanbois of some other game ?

    Why would a poster who loves Sandbox games even bother coming to a GW2 forum?

    Why would a true raider and hard-core meta player take time out of their game to come to these forums?

    Why would the poster children for TSW make 10 times as many posts in the GW2 forums as the TSW forums?

    Why would someone post daily in the GW2 forums about how boring and shallow it is and yet have jumped on the bandwagon for TSW...Rift ...WOW ...SWtor ..and now DF2 in the same period of time?

    Why would someone spend more time being a Hater in GW2 forums then actually playing the game they like?

    I still don't agree.

    The very first posts about GW2 were all in this line: "GW2 is going to be the best MMO ever created and will kill WoW and any other MMO". This applies to any MMO, I am just using your own example, and since these are the GW2 forums...

    All these "GW2 is the second coming of the Mesiah" threads did not have as many responses tho as the first "GW2 won't be a good game" threads, which were instantly flooded by all the fanbois.

    You hardly ever see the "you are a fanboi" argument on a thread praising a game. However you will always see the "you are a troll" argument on the opposite threads, to the point that the meaning of the expression has been twisted and many don't even know what trolling actually means. This argument usually comes together with the "you are playing it wrong", "you are a noob" and the "go back to WoW" arguments, and is often used as the only argument against reasoned and properly explained arguments to why not liking certain games.

    I am not playing GW2, yet I checked this forum. Does it make me a troll? I check plenty of stuff about games I am not playing, this is what I actually use these forums for. GW2 has made an undeniable impact and I want to know what is going on. I had something to say, so I posted. Am I a hater now?

    I am ot denying there are haters out there. What I am saying, tho, is that fanbois are way more vocal (and IMO annoying) than them.

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,272Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by gordiflu
    Originally posted by Bad.dog
    Originally posted by gordiflu
    Originally posted by eyelolled
    It's sickening how such a vocal minority can be so overbearing and cause so much disgust that honest members are leaving the site because they are tired of the lies spread by a outspoken few.  Once the honest members all leave, what is the value in the discussion that is left? 

    I have made several tests and I am very sure that the fanbois are way more vocal than the haters. They really are.

    My latest temporary ban was becouse I dared to post something like "you fanbois are the main reason for me not trying this game".

    I recently created two separate threads about a game, one with positive stuff, another with negative stuff.

    The positive one hardly got 3 answers.

    The negative one got well over 50 with the very first ones beeing on the "you don't know how to play" and "you know nothing about games" line.

    You, for example, instead of trying to argue what others have posted and you think that is wrong, are going directly for the personal attack, blaming the haters for people leaving the site (without even trying to prove that such thing is actually happening).

    Not even close ..I remember a hater having over a 1000 posts before the game came out

    See what you miss are the true fanbois are the Hater's ....what motivates a person to come to another games forums and post negative vibes unless they are motived by being a real fanbois of some other game ?

    Why would a poster who loves Sandbox games even bother coming to a GW2 forum?

    Why would a true raider and hard-core meta player take time out of their game to come to these forums?

    Why would the poster children for TSW make 10 times as many posts in the GW2 forums as the TSW forums?

    Why would someone post daily in the GW2 forums about how boring and shallow it is and yet have jumped on the bandwagon for TSW...Rift ...WOW ...SWtor ..and now DF2 in the same period of time?

    Why would someone spend more time being a Hater in GW2 forums then actually playing the game they like?

    I still don't agree.

    The very first posts about GW2 were all in this line: "GW2 is going to be the best MMO ever created and will kill WoW and any other MMO". This applies to any MMO, I am just using your own example, and since these are the GW2 forums...

    All these "GW2 is the second coming of the Mesiah" threads did not have as many responses tho as the first "GW2 won't be a good game" threads, which were instantly flooded by all the fanbois.

    You hardly ever see the "you are a fanboi" argument on a thread praising a game. However you will always see the "you are a troll" argument on the opposite threads, to the point that the meaning of the expression has been twisted and many don't even know what trolling actually means. This argument usually comes together with the "you are playing it wrong", "you are a noob" and the "go back to WoW" arguments, and is often used as the only argument against reasoned and properly explained arguments to why not liking certain games.

    I am not playing GW2, yet I checked this forum. Does it make me a troll? I check plenty of stuff about games I am not playing, this is what I actually use these forums for. GW2 has made an undeniable impact and I want to know what is going on. I had something to say, so I posted. Am I a hater now?

    I am ot denying there are haters out there. What I am saying, tho, is that fanbois are way more vocal (and IMO annoying) than them.

    /applaud

  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by Praetalus
    Originally posted by UWNVME

    It's not hard for me to understand. People hit max level in MMO's and then they go chill in whatever the main hub city happens to be. It's like this in GW2 and it was like this on my old WoW server. Yeah lots of people levelup alts as well, but for most it's not a top priority.

    The difference being of course that wow is 8 years old. GW2 is less then 6 months old.  

    That's a terribly faulty argument you have there.  What you seem to be suggesting is that it took 8 years for people to get bored of WoW and hang around the cities.  I played for 5 years or so, and it happened every expansion and guess what..... it only took 6 months each time.  Maybe less.

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