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  • DraronDraron A town in, KYPosts: 993Member
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by Mardukk
    Originally posted by MyTabbycat

    I remember when Oblivion came out, people complained it was not like Morrowind. Eventually it grew into its own game as people began to fall in love with it. There are even people who complain Skyrim isn't like Morrowind was.

    Eventually people will fall in love with TESO for the kind of game that it is instead of wishing it was more like its single player cousins.

    People fell in love with Oblivion? That's news to me.

    well I love Oblvion so there you go. Real life testimonial.

    My preference is Morrowind, but I played the heck out of Oblvion. Actually I played it from launch and pretty much right up to a few months before Skyrim was released.

    They are different games, each with their own strengths and weaknesses.

    Same here. Oblivion is treated like the red headed stepchild of TES, but I actually liked it. It was mostly the setting overall, but some of the storylines (the Mages Guild and Dark Brotherhood especially) was some of the best I've played in a TES game.

  • minttunatorminttunator ViimsiPosts: 131Member
    The really sad thing is that no matter how bad TESO turns out to be, it will still sell untold millions purely on the strength of the IP. I hope I'm wrong about this game, but everything we've been shown thus far just screams "another genric single-player online themepark". 
  • PyrateLVPyrateLV Las Vegas, NVPosts: 1,096Member Common

    Simply put, TESO will be another generic linear Themepark  based off a popular IP

    Its a money grab. Nothing more.

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  • DraigenDraigen Vancouver, BCPosts: 5Member
    I have high hopes this game will satisfy my craving for a DAOC 2. The right people are in place to make it happen. So I have my fingers crossed!
  • Esquire1980Esquire1980 Stillwater, OKPosts: 529Member

    Is there somewhere I've missed that states ESO will not have deco and housing?  Even instanced?  Have not seen it if there is.  That might be a game-breaker for me, to be honest.  I have not been able to find much official released info on the game systems and features, period, outside of the 1 trailer.

    Been looking for a game with decent housing and deco since SWG.  A place to call my own in the MMO world.

    Have been playing Skyrim and the combo of sandbox world exploration and themepark quest leveling seems to fit well together in that context.  I understand that end-game will be PVP and some style of PVE raiding but it pretty much is in just about any MMO.  The OWPVP in this looks at the least interesting and could hold my interest for quite some time if it all works as advertised.

    If some1 has a link for no housing and deco, I would appreaciate a look-see.

  • MyTabbycatMyTabbycat SP, MOPosts: 312Member

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/development-faq/#ref

     

    They give "source" info at the bottom of the page. Housing is listed under the "Misc" tab.

  • Esquire1980Esquire1980 Stillwater, OKPosts: 529Member
    Originally posted by MyTabbycat

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/development-faq/#ref

     

    They give "source" info at the bottom of the page. Housing is listed under the "Misc" tab.

    "Player and guild housing will not be in the game at release."

     

    That's pretty much a let-down.  Altho they don't say it won't be at some point in time.  Guess I'll wait for the "plug-in" that puts housing in their game.

    Thanks, made my mind up for me on a pre-order.

  • FearumFearum Cinnaminson, NJPosts: 1,166Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Esquire1980
    Originally posted by MyTabbycat

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/development-faq/#ref

     

    They give "source" info at the bottom of the page. Housing is listed under the "Misc" tab.

    "Player and guild housing will not be in the game at release."

     

    That's pretty much a let-down.  Altho they don't say it won't be at some point in time.  Guess I'll wait for the "plug-in" that puts housing in their game.

    Thanks, made my mind up for me on a pre-order.

    You dont have to wait, there are plenty of games for housing and decor http://www.girlgames.com/home-decorating-games.html has some.

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Webster, MAPosts: 4,813Member
    Originally posted by karmath
    The point you are missing OP is the fact that the IP is known for a specific kind of openworld gameplay, if you take that away you have just another fantasy IP and alienating your core fanbase to boot.

    And thats the sad part, I'm taking a wait and see approach but for a company to alienating millions upon millions of built in fans is the most assinine thing I can think of lol. 

     

    We don't want those 7mil+ people that bought Skyrim or our other TES games, we are focusing on the 200-300k players your standard MMO has... 

     

    wtf lol! 

  • FearumFearum Cinnaminson, NJPosts: 1,166Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79
    Originally posted by karmath
    The point you are missing OP is the fact that the IP is known for a specific kind of openworld gameplay, if you take that away you have just another fantasy IP and alienating your core fanbase to boot.

    And thats the sad part, I'm taking a wait and see approach but for a company to alienating millions upon millions of built in fans is the most assinine thing I can think of lol. 

     

    We don't want those 7mil+ people that bought Skyrim or our other TES games, we are focusing on the 200-300k players your standard MMO has... 

     

    wtf lol! 

    They already chose to alienate them by going PC and Mac.

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Webster, MAPosts: 4,813Member
    Originally posted by Fearum
    Originally posted by Esquire1980
    Originally posted by MyTabbycat

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/development-faq/#ref

     

    They give "source" info at the bottom of the page. Housing is listed under the "Misc" tab.

    "Player and guild housing will not be in the game at release."

     

    That's pretty much a let-down.  Altho they don't say it won't be at some point in time.  Guess I'll wait for the "plug-in" that puts housing in their game.

    Thanks, made my mind up for me on a pre-order.

    You dont have to wait, there are plenty of games for housing and decor http://www.girlgames.com/home-decorating-games.html has some.

    Real sandbox games have them as well

    http://uo.com/

    Though... everyone has different taste so I won't knock Fearum for liking those girlgames... to each their own.

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Webster, MAPosts: 4,813Member
    Originally posted by Fearum
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79
    Originally posted by karmath
    The point you are missing OP is the fact that the IP is known for a specific kind of openworld gameplay, if you take that away you have just another fantasy IP and alienating your core fanbase to boot.

    And thats the sad part, I'm taking a wait and see approach but for a company to alienating millions upon millions of built in fans is the most assinine thing I can think of lol. 

     

    We don't want those 7mil+ people that bought Skyrim or our other TES games, we are focusing on the 200-300k players your standard MMO has... 

     

    wtf lol! 

    They already chose to alienate them by going PC and Mac.

    Going PC? You mean like do what they've been doing since the beggining? TES has been PC since day 1 lol and the PC version has always been a great deal better than the console version :) 

     

    TES: Arena - PC

    TES: DaggerFall - PC

    Battlespire and Redguard I will skip over even though they were both on PC

    TES: Morrowind - PC

    TES: Oblivion - PC

    TES: Skyrim - PC

     

    So... how did they alienate them by going PC considering they've always been on PC?

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Webster, MAPosts: 4,813Member
    Originally posted by Fearum
    Aww your so cute. UO is history kind of like an Outhouse, you still don't use one of those do you?

    It's definitely better than those girly games you play lol... I've no idea why you would even play something like that let alone let others know you play that kind of game. It's one of those things you really shouldn't share with people. 

  • MyTabbycatMyTabbycat SP, MOPosts: 312Member
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79
    Originally posted by Fearum
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79
    Originally posted by karmath
    The point you are missing OP is the fact that the IP is known for a specific kind of openworld gameplay, if you take that away you have just another fantasy IP and alienating your core fanbase to boot.

    And thats the sad part, I'm taking a wait and see approach but for a company to alienating millions upon millions of built in fans is the most assinine thing I can think of lol. 

     

    We don't want those 7mil+ people that bought Skyrim or our other TES games, we are focusing on the 200-300k players your standard MMO has... 

     

    wtf lol! 

    They already chose to alienate them by going PC and Mac.

    Going PC? You mean like do what they've been doing since the beggining? TES has been PC since day 1 lol and the PC version has always been a great deal better than the console version :) 

     

    TES: Arena - PC

    TES: DaggerFall - PC

    Battlespire and Redguard I will skip over even though they were both on PC

    TES: Morrowind - PC

    TES: Oblivion - PC

    TES: Skyrim - PC

     

    So... how did they alienate them by going PC considering they've always been on PC?

    I think he meant by not releasing it for console. The reason, of course, is that current consoles can't handle the game. However, they aren't ruling out future consoles, so there could be hope for that on the horizon. The devs have only said they are focusing on getting it ready for PC & Mac for now.

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Webster, MAPosts: 4,813Member
    Originally posted by MyTabbycat
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79
    Originally posted by Fearum
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79
    Originally posted by karmath
    The point you are missing OP is the fact that the IP is known for a specific kind of openworld gameplay, if you take that away you have just another fantasy IP and alienating your core fanbase to boot.

    And thats the sad part, I'm taking a wait and see approach but for a company to alienating millions upon millions of built in fans is the most assinine thing I can think of lol. 

     

    We don't want those 7mil+ people that bought Skyrim or our other TES games, we are focusing on the 200-300k players your standard MMO has... 

     

    wtf lol! 

    They already chose to alienate them by going PC and Mac.

    Going PC? You mean like do what they've been doing since the beggining? TES has been PC since day 1 lol and the PC version has always been a great deal better than the console version :) 

     

    TES: Arena - PC

    TES: DaggerFall - PC

    Battlespire and Redguard I will skip over even though they were both on PC

    TES: Morrowind - PC

    TES: Oblivion - PC

    TES: Skyrim - PC

     

    So... how did they alienate them by going PC considering they've always been on PC?

    I think he meant by not releasing it for console. The reason, of course, is that current consoles can't handle the game. However, they aren't ruling out future consoles, so there could be hope for that on the horizon. The devs have only said they are focusing on getting it ready for PC & Mac for now.

    Ahh, well usually MMO's have trouble coming to console anyways thanks to Microsoft lol. They don't like putting MMO's onto the 360, FFXI is one of the very few exceptions. Not exactly them alienating players. I guess it didn't dawn on me that this is what he meant considering the lack of logic in it. 

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by GrayGhost79
    Originally posted by karmath The point you are missing OP is the fact that the IP is known for a specific kind of openworld gameplay, if you take that away you have just another fantasy IP and alienating your core fanbase to boot.
    And thats the sad part, I'm taking a wait and see approach but for a company to alienating millions upon millions of built in fans is the most assinine thing I can think of lol. 

    We don't want those 7mil+ people that bought Skyrim or our other TES games, we are focusing on the 200-300k players your standard MMO has... 

    wtf lol! 




    How would you have any idea what seven million people are thinking? The idea that they are all thinking the same thing is ludicrous. You know what the vast majority of those people think? Whatever is on the first page of the website.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Webster, MAPosts: 4,813Member
    Originally posted by lizardbones

     


    Originally posted by GrayGhost79

    Originally posted by karmath The point you are missing OP is the fact that the IP is known for a specific kind of openworld gameplay, if you take that away you have just another fantasy IP and alienating your core fanbase to boot.
    And thats the sad part, I'm taking a wait and see approach but for a company to alienating millions upon millions of built in fans is the most assinine thing I can think of lol. 

     

    We don't want those 7mil+ people that bought Skyrim or our other TES games, we are focusing on the 200-300k players your standard MMO has... 

    wtf lol! 



    How would you have any idea what seven million people are thinking? The idea that they are all thinking the same thing is ludicrous. You know what the vast majority of those people think? Whatever is on the first page of the website.

     

    Sorry, it's called deductive reasoning. 

    "Deductive reasoning is one of the two basic forms of valid reasoning. It begins with a general hypothesis or known fact and creates a specific conclusion from that generalization."

    The more you know!

  • FearumFearum Cinnaminson, NJPosts: 1,166Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79
    Originally posted by MyTabbycat
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79
    Originally posted by Fearum
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79
    Originally posted by karmath
    The point you are missing OP is the fact that the IP is known for a specific kind of openworld gameplay, if you take that away you have just another fantasy IP and alienating your core fanbase to boot.

    And thats the sad part, I'm taking a wait and see approach but for a company to alienating millions upon millions of built in fans is the most assinine thing I can think of lol. 

     

    We don't want those 7mil+ people that bought Skyrim or our other TES games, we are focusing on the 200-300k players your standard MMO has... 

     

    wtf lol! 

    They already chose to alienate them by going PC and Mac.

    Going PC? You mean like do what they've been doing since the beggining? TES has been PC since day 1 lol and the PC version has always been a great deal better than the console version :) 

     

    TES: Arena - PC

    TES: DaggerFall - PC

    Battlespire and Redguard I will skip over even though they were both on PC

    TES: Morrowind - PC

    TES: Oblivion - PC

    TES: Skyrim - PC

     

    So... how did they alienate them by going PC considering they've always been on PC?

    I think he meant by not releasing it for console. The reason, of course, is that current consoles can't handle the game. However, they aren't ruling out future consoles, so there could be hope for that on the horizon. The devs have only said they are focusing on getting it ready for PC & Mac for now.

    Ahh, well usually MMO's have trouble coming to console anyways thanks to Microsoft lol. They don't like putting MMO's onto the 360, FFXI is one of the very few exceptions. Not exactly them alienating players. I guess it didn't dawn on me that this is what he meant considering the lack of logic in it. 

    Yeah lack of logic on your part as to thinking that it sold more on PC than console.

  • FearumFearum Cinnaminson, NJPosts: 1,166Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79
    Originally posted by lizardbones

     


    Originally posted by GrayGhost79

    Originally posted by karmath The point you are missing OP is the fact that the IP is known for a specific kind of openworld gameplay, if you take that away you have just another fantasy IP and alienating your core fanbase to boot.
    And thats the sad part, I'm taking a wait and see approach but for a company to alienating millions upon millions of built in fans is the most assinine thing I can think of lol. 

     

    We don't want those 7mil+ people that bought Skyrim or our other TES games, we are focusing on the 200-300k players your standard MMO has... 

    wtf lol! 



    How would you have any idea what seven million people are thinking? The idea that they are all thinking the same thing is ludicrous. You know what the vast majority of those people think? Whatever is on the first page of the website.

     

    Sorry, it's called deductive reasoning. 

    "Deductive reasoning is one of the two basic forms of valid reasoning. It begins with a general hypothesis or known fact and creates a specific conclusion from that generalization."

    The more you know!

    No its called personal opinion.

    o·pin·ion (image-pimagenimageyimagen)

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    1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: "The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion" (Elizabeth Drew).
    2. A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.
    3. A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts.

    4. The prevailing view: public opinion.

    5. Law A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the
     
    The more you know!
     
  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Webster, MAPosts: 4,813Member
    Originally posted by Fearum
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79
    Originally posted by MyTabbycat
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79
    Originally posted by Fearum
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79
    Originally posted by karmath
    The point you are missing OP is the fact that the IP is known for a specific kind of openworld gameplay, if you take that away you have just another fantasy IP and alienating your core fanbase to boot.

    And thats the sad part, I'm taking a wait and see approach but for a company to alienating millions upon millions of built in fans is the most assinine thing I can think of lol. 

     

    We don't want those 7mil+ people that bought Skyrim or our other TES games, we are focusing on the 200-300k players your standard MMO has... 

     

    wtf lol! 

    They already chose to alienate them by going PC and Mac.

    Going PC? You mean like do what they've been doing since the beggining? TES has been PC since day 1 lol and the PC version has always been a great deal better than the console version :) 

     

    TES: Arena - PC

    TES: DaggerFall - PC

    Battlespire and Redguard I will skip over even though they were both on PC

    TES: Morrowind - PC

    TES: Oblivion - PC

    TES: Skyrim - PC

     

    So... how did they alienate them by going PC considering they've always been on PC?

    I think he meant by not releasing it for console. The reason, of course, is that current consoles can't handle the game. However, they aren't ruling out future consoles, so there could be hope for that on the horizon. The devs have only said they are focusing on getting it ready for PC & Mac for now.

    Ahh, well usually MMO's have trouble coming to console anyways thanks to Microsoft lol. They don't like putting MMO's onto the 360, FFXI is one of the very few exceptions. Not exactly them alienating players. I guess it didn't dawn on me that this is what he meant considering the lack of logic in it. 

    Yeah lack of logic on your part as to thinking that it sold more on PC than console.

    Now where did I say or even imply that? Are you simply attempting to argue for the sake of arguing? I believe you are so I will simply bow out of the conversation lol. Good luck to you lol. 

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,455Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Esquire1980

    Is there somewhere I've missed that states ESO will not have deco and housing?  Even instanced?  Have not seen it if there is.  That might be a game-breaker for me, to be honest.  I have not been able to find much official released info on the game systems and features, period, outside of the 1 trailer.

    Been looking for a game with decent housing and deco since SWG.  A place to call my own in the MMO world.

    Have been playing Skyrim and the combo of sandbox world exploration and themepark quest leveling seems to fit well together in that context.  I understand that end-game will be PVP and some style of PVE raiding but it pretty much is in just about any MMO.  The OWPVP in this looks at the least interesting and could hold my interest for quite some time if it all works as advertised.

    If some1 has a link for no housing and deco, I would appreaciate a look-see.

    Here's an interesting video...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8luBc0X3vIg

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