The problem with GW2, is there is no replay-ability. Once you have gone through all the different quests on one guy, why would you want to go through it all again on another guy?
They made it so you can just jump into Arena PvP right at level 1, so there is no point to level up if you are into competative 'e-sport'.
WvW is fun, but pointless in the end.
The way every single class weilding the same weapons, have all of the same base abilities, as well as cookie-cutter builds, makes it so there is no customization.
Fun game, for about a month. After that, what's the point?
At this point I have pretty much given up hope of finding a game that i will play for 9 years like i played Dark Age of Camelot. GW2 is very similar to WoW. Little zones with nonsensical geography, mobs spaced evenly throughout, no /stick or /face, etc. It doesnt feel like a World, the way my beloved Hibernia felt as though it was a real place.
Having said that, i will also say that taken for what it is, a themepark hold your hand no brains required to play game, i enjoyed GW2. I think i played for almost 400 hours. If you calculate the cost per hour, i paid 15 cents an hour, which imo is some very cheap entertainment.
25 years ago when i got my Nintendo, i would save up to buy a game, which back then cost 40 to 60 dollars, and usually beat it in a week or two. I loved some of those games. Games like Zelda, Metroid, Kid Icuras, Ghosts and Goblins, Castlevania, Mike Tyson's Punch Out, etc. I loved them, but im sure i never played any of them for 400 hours.
Was i hoping for more from GW2? Of course, but i didnt expect it. And i feel as though i got my money's worth out of it. I'm afraid, much as i hope that im wrong, that no one is interested in making Worlds for us to live in anymore. So we have to redifine our definition of success.
As to whether or not the game is dying. Yes it is dying. None of my guildies with whom I play every new game is still playing. I'm not still playing. But since its buy to play, i dont feel bad about it. It's nice that i can come back to play for free any time i want, though i probly wont.
The biggest reason imo that these games that have come out since WoW are dying is that they dont require any socialization. Everyone can solo pretty much everything in the open world. I made 3 chars to level 80, and i either soloed or duo'd my way to 80. In daoc, when i made my first level 50 i knew just about everyone on my server in my realm. Sure it was hard to level and it took forever, but it was a social experience, and for me that is the best reason to play MMO's. They have taken everything social out of these new "themepark" games, and they become boring grind fests. In DAoC we had to grind, a lot lol, but it was fun for a variety of reasons. As i said you got to know people, because you had to group. I tried to solo on my hero, and most times i would end up losing EXP. You had to group and it took a long time to level, and a pleasant by-product of that was a sort of sense of competition. I wanted to beat the people i knew to level 50. In GW2 i didnt meet any new people. I didnt care who was what level, since it went by so fast it didnt matter.
They have removed Camps from new games, which i also think is a big mistake. Having camps of mobs in the open world makes it more social, because you can go to a camp and find people there and ask to join their grp. Does it suck sometimes when people try to steal your camp? Yes but running around solo all the time is much worse.
Instancing is the devil. The reason i played DAoC for nine years, wasnt just because it was a great game, but because of the people and friends i had in the game.
Another major problem with GW2, and the reason i quit playing is that the PVP is terrible. Giant red names that you can see through solid objects at clip range pretty much takes any element of strategy out of the game. Some guy was out there trying to lure me into an ambush, unfortunately for him, i could see the giant red names of his friends sticking out from behind the obstacle they were using to hide. Also the fact that your enemies are pretty much anonymous is stupid. In DAoC you knew your enemy, and they knew you. PvP against anonymous players who change every week is meaningless. Even without realm points, in daoc i had people who i loved to fight.
Sorry about the book, it's just sad that a genre that started off so well has only gotten dumbed down and turned into fast food. I miss the days when only us nerdy guys had computers and played pc games.
You know this "Internet never lies" kind of thing.. funny.
For me I havent played GW2 in long time.. went back on and after a few days its been the same. No where near what was. Yeah yeah I know its my server blah blah. Getting that "boss at" in chat then going there, where it was 30 + people best so far 8 so far. No its not dead still lots of people playing.
I think the only reason this thread is alive is "death of" brings people in. lol
I'm planning to give Age of Wushu and Darkfall Unholy Wars a try. Wishing someone would make DAoC 2 with all the same systems, just update the graphics.
You know this "Internet never lies" kind of thing.. funny.
For me I havent played GW2 in long time.. went back on and after a few days its been the same. No where near what was. Yeah yeah I know its my server blah blah. Getting that "boss at" in chat then going there, where it was 30 + people best so far 8 so far. No its not dead still lots of people playing.
I think the only reason this thread is alive is "death of" brings people in. lol
A long time? It has been out 3 months - that is not a LONG time unless you have a short attention span....
Originally posted by shawn01 I'm planning to give Age of Wushu and Darkfall Unholy Wars a try. Wishing someone would make DAoC 2 with all the same systems, just update the graphics.
Date
Population
Launch
250,000
July, 2002
210,000
November, 2003
250,000
2005
175,000
2006
125,000
2007
95,000
January, 2008
50,000
2009
20,000
June, 2011
5,000
This is from WIKI on DAoC - that is not alot of people (it is an estimate of population from Mythic data). I can understand why they don't want to make a game like it again - niche game.
Niche game? 250k subscribers was a record back then.
That is the biggest problem with games nowadays, and with gamers. Products need a niche. Making a game to try to satisfy everyone inevitably ends up in a game that satisfies no one. DAoC is for me the best game ever made by a country mile. Most people who played it agree that it was one of the best games they ever played.
Honestly it's not worth bothering with sales figures of games for the reasons Greenman stated. It maybe high on the amazon.com chart but on the amazon.co.uk chart it's 14th just behind Sims 3 pet adventures. Neither of those charts are indicitive of how the games doing at the moment, because they don't display units sold, and they obviously don't tell us usage after sale. 6 million people could buy the game over the next week but if they quit after 5 hours playing then long term the game will suffer.
What matters for GW2 is how many people put money down in the CS longterm and were not really going to know that number as ANET keep it to themselves. As Greenman posted, SWTOR had excellent sales figures and some have suggested that because it had a sub it failed and GW2 won't because it hasn't (?!)). Bizzare logic, ultimately GW2 needs a susbstantial number investing in the cash shop to expand in the future, which is why the gem/cash shop is a major feature, (which ANET convinently sidestepped in marketing). Without figures for that we really don't know how well the game is doing.
Honestly it's not worth bothering with sales figures of games for the reasons Greenman stated. It maybe high on the amazon.com chart but on the amazon.co.uk chart it's 14th just behind Sims 3 pet adventures. Neither of those charts are indicitive of how the games doing at the moment, because they don't display units sold, and they obviously don't tell us usage after sale. 6 million people could buy the game over the next week but if they quit after 5 hours playing then long term the game will suffer.
What matters for GW2 is how many people put money down in the CS longterm and were not really going to know that number as ANET keep it to themselves. As Greenman posted, SWTOR had excellent sales figures and some have suggested that because it had a sub it failed and GW2 won't because it hasn't (?!)). Bizzare logic, ultimately GW2 needs a susbstantial number investing in the cash shop to expand in the future, which is why the gem/cash shop is a major feature, (which ANET convinently sidestepped in marketing). Without figures for that we really don't know how well the game is doing.
UH - they don't need people investing in the cash shop - that is the point. It is all OPTIONAL. The reason gems are used, instead ot cash (which was done in GW1), is you can now buy gems for in game gold and visa versa. It reasons then, you do not have to buy gems with cash if only for convenience.
Niche game? 250k subscribers was a record back then.
That is the biggest problem with games nowadays, and with gamers. Products need a niche. Making a game to try to satisfy everyone inevitably ends up in a game that satisfies no one. DAoC is for me the best game ever made by a country mile. Most people who played it agree that it was one of the best games they ever played.
Yeah - niche game. WoW and GW1 came out 2 years later and what minimum 10X more players than DAoC. So, yes, I would put it in the niche category.
I played it and it was OK. I didn't think it was the second coming of Christ (like some people here think it is) or anything. It had it good and bad points (to me mostly bad and that is why I stopped playing).
Honestly it's not worth bothering with sales figures of games for the reasons Greenman stated. It maybe high on the amazon.com chart but on the amazon.co.uk chart it's 14th just behind Sims 3 pet adventures. Neither of those charts are indicitive of how the games doing at the moment, because they don't display units sold, and they obviously don't tell us usage after sale. 6 million people could buy the game over the next week but if they quit after 5 hours playing then long term the game will suffer.
What matters for GW2 is how many people put money down in the CS longterm and were not really going to know that number as ANET keep it to themselves. As Greenman posted, SWTOR had excellent sales figures and some have suggested that because it had a sub it failed and GW2 won't because it hasn't (?!)). Bizzare logic, ultimately GW2 needs a susbstantial number investing in the cash shop to expand in the future, which is why the gem/cash shop is a major feature, (which ANET convinently sidestepped in marketing). Without figures for that we really don't know how well the game is doing.
UH - they don't need people investing in the cash shop - that is the point. It is all OPTIONAL. The reason gems are used, instead ot cash (which was done in GW1), is you can now buy gems for in game gold and visa versa. It reasons then, you do not have to buy gems with cash if only for convenience.
Thank you for explaining how the CS is OPTIONAL, clearly I needed that explanation, or maybe you haven't read my post.
Tell me then, if noone buys anything from the CS at all and just buys the game, how, long term, does the game survive and prosper?
Are you suggesting that people in their thousands are going to be buying the game every month then? A bold prediction indeed.
Wana know something funny? all those posts are after the karka patch. What does that mean? Orr nerfed and FotM introduced.
Every single player is doing FotM, why would they do anything else? Best drops, exp and money.
The open world is dead, thats for sure, the game itself is nowhere near close, evident by the number of overflows in lions arch.
Yup, the ascended gear patch and the karka presentation just solidified it all for many people. The game changed and the players reflect that. I tried to get recent threads on the subject so it's natural that they are post karka but honestly, I don't remember anyone leaving in bulk on the game until after that stupid ascended gear was added.
Sure, people were going slowly but I never saw them leave in chunks like the fractals introduced. The day I left there were 2 people talking about the future of it and what it would do - they were right, every bit of it has come to fruition. The reason we watch things like this is to be aware when they might occur again, same reason we relive anything from the past. Knowing the cycle and the outcome can help protect us against this happening in future, or at least recognizing it when it starts in games we are playing and have the forethought to jump out as early as we can. I don't think it's a disservice to analyze when decisions affect games though some take it as offensive to insult their pets.
Anet has already stated they were wrong to implement the ascended gear that way, and plan to make changes so the gear is more widely distributed and accepted by the community. They were hasty in putting it there. However, the population has hardly changed, i still see dozens of people in each zone, and i am in the least opulated server. One thing anet must do is give some incentive to go back to lower lvl zones.
Well brother/sister what I would say to that is TRUE! They have admitted that they were hasty in releasing it with just a singular path when they advertised end game in your own way. They haven't though admitted to all other areas done in haste or unkept promises.
I can though look at other things they said and haven't followed through on.
Guesting will be in on release they claimed - still not sorted out and available.
They said that they beta tested the game yet I still had lots of traits and skills not working as they claim and one profession had over 100 bugs noted. They haven't fixed those things. This was something they knew at release if they did beta testing.
They claimed they would be getting rid of the invisible ppl in WvWvW, still seeing people complain about that so it's not solidly complete either.
Karka, again, another hastily released item.
They made an interview where they said over the next year they will be releasing more ascended gear, the entire set over about a year.
Then they said that they will be doing spvp updates recently in as soon as 2 mos to have it all in place.
I watched them take away the prices on food because people were making profit, they never fixed it and brought back the prices.
They took out orbs in pvp, haven't finalized what will happen with those and if they will ever return.
They took away the event rewards from escorting dolyaks in WvWvW because people were making money from it. That still isn't resolved.
They seem to be quick to stop things but not quick to revisit the problem AND FIX IT. Is that a lot to ask - to fix the game that you brag about, to deserve an award because you did a good job instead of disabling everything that doesn't work right while consecutively moving on to the next thing you can do to keep people logged in ? Throw another event at them, they'll take it. Make them buy more boxes, they want to. That's all I hear in my head when they don't fix their gaping issues that many times, they created!
They are saying a lot of things. My confidence with them is nil because they aren't performing what they say. I'm a lost cause because I drew the line at "we don't make grindy games" when I started grinding but I'm not the only one watching I'm sure.
I'm looking at history saying to you - they "say" lots of things. Until they "do" them, they can't possibly regain any confidence in those hanging on a fence about the entire thing.
You have little confidence in a game released four months ago, a game with one of the most complicated coding sytems amongst mmos? This game simply isnt a go and fetch game, you have events leading to other events and tons in between. You have several newer mechanics in mmos in gw2. Not to mention it is b2p. This entire game is basically one giant experiemnt at the moment, as anet has stated themselves. They are testing the waters and innovating (yes, i said it, innovation) ideas. Fractals are probably one of the best solutions to dungeons i have seen. The rewards, ascended gear, were randomly thrown in to appease people like you who expect everything to be there and now. They have gained tons of confidence, seeing that they retIan high sales rates. They are performing based on reactions of the community, like an experiment as i said earlier, and changing based on those reactions, which they obviously recognize. Unlike of course the typical wow/ tor answer of working as intended. The only thing you are on is a high horse.
When it was at it's peak DaoC was the number one MMO. Thats not a niche game. Any game that was made so that 5 year olds can play it, as WoW is designed, and then marketed as WoW is marketed would be a success. That is the key to WoW's success, massive marketing campaigns. I cant remember ever seeing a commercial for another MMO on TV. WoW had William Shatner, Mr. T and even Chuck Norris as spokesmen.
When it was at it's peak DaoC was the number one MMO.
This is actually wrong. DAoC has never been the number one MMO, even if we consider just western games and ignore the Asian ones.
Everquest, during the whole "peak" of DAoC, always had more than double the players than DAoC.
SWG, as funny as it may sound, also always had more players than DAoC at its peak.
Even old UO and its dated isometric graphics did better than DAoC until fall 2003.
And of course if we count Asian games, Lineage was crushing everybody.
I wouldn't call it a niche game, it was indeed one of the top western contenders back when there was little choice. Nowadays, a game like DAoC would tank faster than the Titanic after hitting that iceberg. It's only some nostalgic ex-DAoC players who think it was the best thing since sliced bread - the vast majority of MMO players even back then didn't.
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I've only heard of Green Man gaming a few times and only on this forum. The fact remains, whatever their actual list says, GW2 is still going strong. That's all that matters. It's currently riding high on Amazon, and is in fact the only MMO I see on the top downloads list (there's also a $4.99 EVE starter pack there). It's even ahead of Far Cry 3 and The Walking Dead (Spike TV's so-called GOTY).
I agree these threads don't need to be made, but only because it's obvious the game is doing well.
Originally posted by shawn01 I'm planning to give Age of Wushu and Darkfall Unholy Wars a try. Wishing someone would make DAoC 2 with all the same systems, just update the graphics.
Date
Population
Launch
250,000
July, 2002
210,000
November, 2003
250,000
2005
175,000
2006
125,000
2007
95,000
January, 2008
50,000
2009
20,000
June, 2011
5,000
This is from WIKI on DAoC - that is not alot of people (it is an estimate of population from Mythic data). I can understand why they don't want to make a game like it again - niche game.
you forget
EQ was what 450,000, SWG was 300,000, AC was 200,000
Originally posted by greenreen Yeah, the article is outright lying about which is tops according to the source reference.
Strong words. The Green Man chart clearly updates very frequently. A couple of people have pasted very different top 10's into this thread already, and looking at http://www.greenmangaming.com/pc-download/ right now, it's very different again. GW2 is at #3 at the moment, for what it's worth.
I have no reason to believe it wasn't #1 when the story was written. But that may mean "#1 seller this hour". Or "this five minutes". Or anything.
Wana know something funny? all those posts are after the karka patch. What does that mean? Orr nerfed and FotM introduced.
Every single player is doing FotM, why would they do anything else? Best drops, exp and money.
The open world is dead, thats for sure, the game itself is nowhere near close, evident by the number of overflows in lions arch.
Yup, the ascended gear patch and the karka presentation just solidified it all for many people. The game changed and the players reflect that. I tried to get recent threads on the subject so it's natural that they are post karka but honestly, I don't remember anyone leaving in bulk on the game until after that stupid ascended gear was added.
Sure, people were going slowly but I never saw them leave in chunks like the fractals introduced. The day I left there were 2 people talking about the future of it and what it would do - they were right, every bit of it has come to fruition. The reason we watch things like this is to be aware when they might occur again, same reason we relive anything from the past. Knowing the cycle and the outcome can help protect us against this happening in future, or at least recognizing it when it starts in games we are playing and have the forethought to jump out as early as we can. I don't think it's a disservice to analyze when decisions affect games though some take it as offensive to insult their pets.
Anet has already stated they were wrong to implement the ascended gear that way, and plan to make changes so the gear is more widely distributed and accepted by the community. They were hasty in putting it there. However, the population has hardly changed, i still see dozens of people in each zone, and i am in the least opulated server. One thing anet must do is give some incentive to go back to lower lvl zones.
Well brother/sister what I would say to that is TRUE! They have admitted that they were hasty in releasing it with just a singular path when they advertised end game in your own way. They haven't though admitted to all other areas done in haste or unkept promises.
I can though look at other things they said and haven't followed through on.
Guesting will be in on release they claimed - still not sorted out and available.
They said that they beta tested the game yet I still had lots of traits and skills not working as they claim and one profession had over 100 bugs noted. They haven't fixed those things. This was something they knew at release if they did beta testing.
They claimed they would be getting rid of the invisible ppl in WvWvW, still seeing people complain about that so it's not solidly complete either.
Karka, again, another hastily released item.
They made an interview where they said over the next year they will be releasing more ascended gear, the entire set over about a year.
Then they said that they will be doing spvp updates recently in as soon as 2 mos to have it all in place.
I watched them take away the prices on food because people were making profit, they never fixed it and brought back the prices.
They took out orbs in pvp, haven't finalized what will happen with those and if they will ever return.
They took away the event rewards from escorting dolyaks in WvWvW because people were making money from it. That still isn't resolved.
They seem to be quick to stop things but not quick to revisit the problem AND FIX IT. Is that a lot to ask - to fix the game that you brag about, to deserve an award because you did a good job instead of disabling everything that doesn't work right while consecutively moving on to the next thing you can do to keep people logged in ? Throw another event at them, they'll take it. Make them buy more boxes, they want to. That's all I hear in my head when they don't fix their gaping issues that many times, they created!
They are saying a lot of things. My confidence with them is nil because they aren't performing what they say. I'm a lost cause because I drew the line at "we don't make grindy games" when I started grinding but I'm not the only one watching I'm sure.
I'm looking at history saying to you - they "say" lots of things. Until they "do" them, they can't possibly regain any confidence in those hanging on a fence about the entire thing.
You have little confidence in a game released four months ago, a game with one of the most complicated coding sytems amongst mmos? This game simply isnt a go and fetch game, you have events leading to other events and tons in between. You have several newer mechanics in mmos in gw2. Not to mention it is b2p. This entire game is basically one giant experiemnt at the moment, as anet has stated themselves. They are testing the waters and innovating (yes, i said it, innovation) ideas. Fractals are probably one of the best solutions to dungeons i have seen. The rewards, ascended gear, were randomly thrown in to appease people like you who expect everything to be there and now. They have gained tons of confidence, seeing that they retIan high sales rates. They are performing based on reactions of the community, like an experiment as i said earlier, and changing based on those reactions, which they obviously recognize. Unlike of course the typical wow/ tor answer of working as intended. The only thing you are on is a high horse.
Always the same, can't garner any defensive debate points so you resort to personal attacks or talk about things that weren't on the table. Go ahead, claim anything I stated to be a lie, you can't.
The size of my horse is not the debate but attempt at insulting me personally taken, that means you are out of juice.
I believe what I stated are facts. Simply becuase you can't argue against them shows your position. I am sure anyone posting here will be kind enough to take what I said to be true, no game, especially one as complicated as GW2 will be smooth and perfect at launch or even a year from luanch. Dont say WoW expansions are, becuase adding one class is not comparable at all to a new full blown game. Look at tsw, swtor, gw2, the other couple hundred mmos you will find on this site. And I sware you will find that they are still going through balance.
They have kept there promises fully, they have fixed what they can at the moment and are working on more. They are giving out FREE content to players, lost shores, halloween and now Christmas event. While they do have there intial problems, they are all implementations of a great idea that Anet can look at and say "hey, what can we fix here?". [mod edit]
Players mostly gouge the population on basis of players they seen in respective zones. So no matter how many box GW2 sels if the zones are empty that doesn't make a difference to the players although good sales is something ANet will appreciate.
Originally posted by Whitebeards Players mostly gouge the population on basis of players they seen in respective zones. So no matter how many box GW2 sels if the zones are empty that doesn't make a difference to the players although good sales is something ANet will appreciate.
The perception that the 'world in the 20-70 is empty' was actually accepted as 'Fact' by ANet Dev in a recent Reddit Q&A session.
Whether a fan likes this 'fact' or not is irrevelent now.
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
i don't really see GW2 failing as such, but by the same token, i would imagine that everyone by now who was interested in the game, has probably already bought it. Although, the game is still selling quite well at amazon, though GW2 is currently #14 in pc games best sellers.
1. Starcraft II heart of the swarm
2. football manager 2013
3. sims 3 seasons
4. far cry 3
5. sims 3 supernatural
6. farming simulator 2013
7. sims 3
8. sims 3/mac
9. assassins creed III
10. elder scrolls; skyrim
11. COD; black ops II
12. sims 3 pets expansion
13. xcom enemy unknown.
14. guildwars 2
15. dishonoured.
16. world of warcraft mists of pandaria.
personally, i found the best seller list at amazon a bit disturbing, so many sims games, and .. farming simulator!!!
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The problem with GW2, is there is no replay-ability. Once you have gone through all the different quests on one guy, why would you want to go through it all again on another guy?
They made it so you can just jump into Arena PvP right at level 1, so there is no point to level up if you are into competative 'e-sport'.
WvW is fun, but pointless in the end.
The way every single class weilding the same weapons, have all of the same base abilities, as well as cookie-cutter builds, makes it so there is no customization.
Fun game, for about a month. After that, what's the point?
You should give RaiderZ a try.
You know this "Internet never lies" kind of thing.. funny.
For me I havent played GW2 in long time.. went back on and after a few days its been the same. No where near what was. Yeah yeah I know its my server blah blah. Getting that "boss at" in chat then going there, where it was 30 + people best so far 8 so far. No its not dead still lots of people playing.
I think the only reason this thread is alive is "death of" brings people in. lol
A long time? It has been out 3 months - that is not a LONG time unless you have a short attention span....
This is from WIKI on DAoC - that is not alot of people (it is an estimate of population from Mythic data). I can understand why they don't want to make a game like it again - niche game.
Niche game? 250k subscribers was a record back then.
That is the biggest problem with games nowadays, and with gamers. Products need a niche. Making a game to try to satisfy everyone inevitably ends up in a game that satisfies no one. DAoC is for me the best game ever made by a country mile. Most people who played it agree that it was one of the best games they ever played.
Honestly it's not worth bothering with sales figures of games for the reasons Greenman stated. It maybe high on the amazon.com chart but on the amazon.co.uk chart it's 14th just behind Sims 3 pet adventures. Neither of those charts are indicitive of how the games doing at the moment, because they don't display units sold, and they obviously don't tell us usage after sale. 6 million people could buy the game over the next week but if they quit after 5 hours playing then long term the game will suffer.
What matters for GW2 is how many people put money down in the CS longterm and were not really going to know that number as ANET keep it to themselves. As Greenman posted, SWTOR had excellent sales figures and some have suggested that because it had a sub it failed and GW2 won't because it hasn't (?!)). Bizzare logic, ultimately GW2 needs a susbstantial number investing in the cash shop to expand in the future, which is why the gem/cash shop is a major feature, (which ANET convinently sidestepped in marketing). Without figures for that we really don't know how well the game is doing.
This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!
UH - they don't need people investing in the cash shop - that is the point. It is all OPTIONAL. The reason gems are used, instead ot cash (which was done in GW1), is you can now buy gems for in game gold and visa versa. It reasons then, you do not have to buy gems with cash if only for convenience.
Yeah - niche game. WoW and GW1 came out 2 years later and what minimum 10X more players than DAoC. So, yes, I would put it in the niche category.
I played it and it was OK. I didn't think it was the second coming of Christ (like some people here think it is) or anything. It had it good and bad points (to me mostly bad and that is why I stopped playing).
Thank you for explaining how the CS is OPTIONAL, clearly I needed that explanation, or maybe you haven't read my post.
Tell me then, if noone buys anything from the CS at all and just buys the game, how, long term, does the game survive and prosper?
Are you suggesting that people in their thousands are going to be buying the game every month then? A bold prediction indeed.
This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!
You have little confidence in a game released four months ago, a game with one of the most complicated coding sytems amongst mmos? This game simply isnt a go and fetch game, you have events leading to other events and tons in between. You have several newer mechanics in mmos in gw2. Not to mention it is b2p. This entire game is basically one giant experiemnt at the moment, as anet has stated themselves. They are testing the waters and innovating (yes, i said it, innovation) ideas. Fractals are probably one of the best solutions to dungeons i have seen. The rewards, ascended gear, were randomly thrown in to appease people like you who expect everything to be there and now. They have gained tons of confidence, seeing that they retIan high sales rates. They are performing based on reactions of the community, like an experiment as i said earlier, and changing based on those reactions, which they obviously recognize. Unlike of course the typical wow/ tor answer of working as intended. The only thing you are on is a high horse.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innovation
When it was at it's peak DaoC was the number one MMO. Thats not a niche game. Any game that was made so that 5 year olds can play it, as WoW is designed, and then marketed as WoW is marketed would be a success. That is the key to WoW's success, massive marketing campaigns. I cant remember ever seeing a commercial for another MMO on TV. WoW had William Shatner, Mr. T and even Chuck Norris as spokesmen.
This is actually wrong. DAoC has never been the number one MMO, even if we consider just western games and ignore the Asian ones.
Everquest, during the whole "peak" of DAoC, always had more than double the players than DAoC.
SWG, as funny as it may sound, also always had more players than DAoC at its peak.
Even old UO and its dated isometric graphics did better than DAoC until fall 2003.
And of course if we count Asian games, Lineage was crushing everybody.
I wouldn't call it a niche game, it was indeed one of the top western contenders back when there was little choice. Nowadays, a game like DAoC would tank faster than the Titanic after hitting that iceberg. It's only some nostalgic ex-DAoC players who think it was the best thing since sliced bread - the vast majority of MMO players even back then didn't.
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Sorry but the number one mmo up until WOW was alway EQ.
I like how the OP was reported. *shakes head*
I've only heard of Green Man gaming a few times and only on this forum. The fact remains, whatever their actual list says, GW2 is still going strong. That's all that matters. It's currently riding high on Amazon, and is in fact the only MMO I see on the top downloads list (there's also a $4.99 EVE starter pack there). It's even ahead of Far Cry 3 and The Walking Dead (Spike TV's so-called GOTY).
I agree these threads don't need to be made, but only because it's obvious the game is doing well.
you forget
EQ was what 450,000, SWG was 300,000, AC was 200,000
If you compare to wow - EVERYTHING IS NICHE
I found it interesting today that the only MMOs advertised in previews before the movie "Hobbit" (which I saw today
was GW2 and WoW.
Smart move in my opinion. Lots of people will see the movie and they will see the advertisement too.
Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E
Strong words. The Green Man chart clearly updates very frequently. A couple of people have pasted very different top 10's into this thread already, and looking at http://www.greenmangaming.com/pc-download/ right now, it's very different again. GW2 is at #3 at the moment, for what it's worth.
I have no reason to believe it wasn't #1 when the story was written. But that may mean "#1 seller this hour". Or "this five minutes". Or anything.
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I believe what I stated are facts. Simply becuase you can't argue against them shows your position. I am sure anyone posting here will be kind enough to take what I said to be true, no game, especially one as complicated as GW2 will be smooth and perfect at launch or even a year from luanch. Dont say WoW expansions are, becuase adding one class is not comparable at all to a new full blown game. Look at tsw, swtor, gw2, the other couple hundred mmos you will find on this site. And I sware you will find that they are still going through balance.
They have kept there promises fully, they have fixed what they can at the moment and are working on more. They are giving out FREE content to players, lost shores, halloween and now Christmas event. While they do have there intial problems, they are all implementations of a great idea that Anet can look at and say "hey, what can we fix here?". [mod edit]
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innovation
The perception that the 'world in the 20-70 is empty' was actually accepted as 'Fact' by ANet Dev in a recent Reddit Q&A session.
Whether a fan likes this 'fact' or not is irrevelent now.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
i don't really see GW2 failing as such, but by the same token, i would imagine that everyone by now who was interested in the game, has probably already bought it. Although, the game is still selling quite well at amazon, though GW2 is currently #14 in pc games best sellers.
1. Starcraft II heart of the swarm
2. football manager 2013
3. sims 3 seasons
4. far cry 3
5. sims 3 supernatural
6. farming simulator 2013
7. sims 3
8. sims 3/mac
9. assassins creed III
10. elder scrolls; skyrim
11. COD; black ops II
12. sims 3 pets expansion
13. xcom enemy unknown.
14. guildwars 2
15. dishonoured.
16. world of warcraft mists of pandaria.
personally, i found the best seller list at amazon a bit disturbing, so many sims games, and .. farming simulator!!!