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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Vorthanion
     

    I'm sorry, but what in the hell do you mean by whales?  What an odd term to use for those who foot the bill for the game you enjoy.  It's derogatory and completely counter productive to the conitnuation of this business model you so love.  Continue to insult those who subsidize your gaming and you're going to get what you deserve, no free games at all.  The attitude of freeloaders is so out of touch, I can't believe the industry is so willing to embrace it.

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/01/11/raph-koster-talks-about-the-evil-of-free-to-play-models/

    http://www.raphkoster.com/2012/01/11/f2p-vs-subs/

    It is an industry term. i do not make it up to insult those who pays. I thought everyone here knows what it means.

  • AdamantineAdamantine NowherePosts: 3,514Member
    Now you only need to get internet for free, electrictiy for free, and new computers for free - then you dont actually have to pay for your hobby anmore !
  • daltaniousdaltanious waPosts: 2,142Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon

    My WOW annual pass is finally up. So i cancelled prompty. This will be my last sub game (MMO or otherwise).

    Not that i don't play F2P games before, but now .. it is all F2P for all the MMOs i will play.

    Looks like TSW may go F2P in the future too .. anyone want to venture a guess of when that will happen?

    I will never play games that do not have sub option that gives me all for that sub.

    Only exception so far for this rule is Gw2, only decent game ever in "free" model, despite is B2P and they tend to get money back this way. For GW2 I would gladly pay for sub.

  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Vineland, NJPosts: 869Member

    Well on the bright side, ill never play a game that will have nari in it lol.  People like nari and the rest of the freeloading crowd is just one huge reason i DONT play F2P games. Those games are littered with people that just dont give a shit about the game. Their normaly the rude, ignorant, unhelpful player that i would stay away from.

     

    Saw what you want " oh thats not me" or " im really helpfull in games" tell it to someone who cares. Iv been around the block more then once and i can tell what type of player you are. Sometimes i think those that only want to play f2p like nari are the ones that take handfulls of mints from the dish at a diner or the guy at your office that sells pirated dvds.

     

    I will NEVER play a MMO that doesnt have a sub. I hope more people do what Nari does and never sets foot inside a sub game again. Will just keep like minded people together.

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by xAPOCx

    Well on the bright side, ill never play a game that will have nari in it lol.  People like nari and the rest of the freeloading crowd is just one huge reason i DONT play F2P games. Those games are littered with people that just dont give a shit about the game. Their normaly the rude, ignorant, unhelpful player that i would stay away from.

     

    Saw what you want " oh thats not me" or " im really helpfull in games" tell it to someone who cares. Iv been around the block more then once and i can tell what type of player you are. Sometimes i think those that only want to play f2p like nari are the ones that take handfulls of mints from the dish at a diner or the guy at your office that sells pirated dvds.

     

    I will NEVER play a MMO that doesnt have a sub. I hope more people do what Nari does and never sets foot inside a sub game again. Will just keep like minded people together.

    hehehe ... and you think i care? I don't play games to be "helpful".

    But i kind of wonder, when there are fewer and fewer sub games, are you going to quit the genre all together? Just curious .. not that you affect my gaming in any way.

    I have millions of "like minded" players anyway ... a few more or a few less makes zero difference.

  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Vineland, NJPosts: 869Member
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by xAPOCx

    Well on the bright side, ill never play a game that will have nari in it lol.  People like nari and the rest of the freeloading crowd is just one huge reason i DONT play F2P games. Those games are littered with people that just dont give a shit about the game. Their normaly the rude, ignorant, unhelpful player that i would stay away from.

     

    Saw what you want " oh thats not me" or " im really helpfull in games" tell it to someone who cares. Iv been around the block more then once and i can tell what type of player you are. Sometimes i think those that only want to play f2p like nari are the ones that take handfulls of mints from the dish at a diner or the guy at your office that sells pirated dvds.

     

    I will NEVER play a MMO that doesnt have a sub. I hope more people do what Nari does and never sets foot inside a sub game again. Will just keep like minded people together.

    hehehe ... and you think i care? I don't play games to be "helpful".

    But i kind of wonder, when there are fewer and fewer sub games, are you going to quit the genre all together? Just curious .. not that you affect my gaming in any way.

    I have millions of "like minded" players anyway ... a few more or a few less makes zero difference.

    I know you dont care and thats the problem.

     

    Yes i will up and quit the genre all together.

     

    Its obvious you have millions of like minded players. Its why the gernre is in such disarray.

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  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon

    My WOW annual pass is finally up. So i cancelled prompty. This will be my last sub game (MMO or otherwise).

    Not that i don't play F2P games before, but now .. it is all F2P for all the MMOs i will play.

    Looks like TSW may go F2P in the future too .. anyone want to venture a guess of when that will happen?

     Welcome to the club, we have cookies! *sits back and eats some Oreos*

     

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
     

    I know you dont care and thats the problem.

     

    Yes i will up and quit the genre all together.

     

    Its obvious you have millions of like minded players. Its why the gernre is in such disarray.

    I suppose you mean "problem for you" .. because it is certainly not a problem for me.

     

  • AdalwulffAdalwulff Sacramento, CAPosts: 1,152Member
    Takes more cash to win F2P games than sub games, but if you dont mind losing a lot, then your on the right path!

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  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by xAPOCx

    Well on the bright side, ill never play a game that will have nari in it lol.  People like nari and the rest of the freeloading crowd is just one huge reason i DONT play F2P games. Those games are littered with people that just dont give a shit about the game. Their normaly the rude, ignorant, unhelpful player that i would stay away from.

     

    Saw what you want " oh thats not me" or " im really helpfull in games" tell it to someone who cares. Iv been around the block more then once and i can tell what type of player you are. Sometimes i think those that only want to play f2p like nari are the ones that take handfulls of mints from the dish at a diner or the guy at your office that sells pirated dvds.

     

    I will NEVER play a MMO that doesnt have a sub. I hope more people do what Nari does and never sets foot inside a sub game again. Will just keep like minded people together.

     Holy cow, I've never heard someone who had so much distaste for a video game community. Luckily I've had the exact opposite experience. Oh well, cheers to good communities in F2P games like Anarchy, Uncharted Waters, and Knightage Online are just some of the examples.

     With the text I highlighted shows where a least one obsurdly negative person will be. You sir, are one of the reasons I quit the subscription games, because I quite frankly don't want to play with the obsurdly elitest mindsets that WoW has made. Enjoy your 15 dollar fee's for games that aren't worth it anymore.

     One the bright side, Archeage Online could possibly be F2P. 

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Adalwulff
    Takes more cash to win F2P games than sub games, but if you dont mind losing a lot, then your on the right path!

    "win F2P games" .. how do you "win" a PvE game? Last time when i play DDO, i still finish my dungeon adventuer with all teh goodies without paying a cent. Did i "win"?

     

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
     

     Holy cow, I've never heard someone who had so much distaste for a video game community. Luckily I've had the exact opposite experience. Oh well, cheers to good communities in F2P games like Anarchy, Uncharted Waters, and Knightage Online are just some of the examples.

     With the text I highlighted shows where a least one obsurdly negative person will be. You sir, are one of the reasons I quit the subscription games, because I quite frankly don't want to play with the obsurdly elitest mindsets that WoW has made. Enjoy your 15 dollar fee's for games that aren't worth it anymore.

     One the bright side, Archeage Online could possibly be F2P. 

    There are always people like that.

    If they can't stand teh trend, and quit .. i doubt anyone will even notice.

    Not only Archeage will be F2P. Age of Mushu, Marvel Heroes, Firefall ... are also all F2P. If they want to miss out on fun games, it is their perogative. We, on the other hand, will enjoy.

  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Adalwulff
    Takes more cash to win F2P games than sub games, but if you dont mind losing a lot, then your on the right path!

    "win F2P games" .. how do you "win" a PvE game? Last time when i play DDO, i still finish my dungeon adventuer with all teh goodies without paying a cent. Did i "win"?

     

     Derp, don't people who play DDO also have the ability to get the Cash shop points for just playing the game as well? So you could technically never have to pay for anything in their cash shop?

    I'd also like to comment to adalwulff and say that not all games use the cash shop as a pay-to-win feature. There are the select few that do, but the majority is just convenience and fashion for your characters. I suppose you could say that 1.5x or 2x exp rates could be pay-to-win.  F2P games also hold a lot more events that discount the items purchased and I've actually have had companies give free cash shop currency to me during those events as well.

    Look at it this way, when you play WoW, EQ2, and what not. They're implimenting cash shops into those games as well and let me tell you this It's going to get more expensive in the long run for players who want items that are limited to their cash shops. Remember, you're also paying 15 dollars a month while buying those pets and mounts from the Blizzard store.

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  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
     

     Holy cow, I've never heard someone who had so much distaste for a video game community. Luckily I've had the exact opposite experience. Oh well, cheers to good communities in F2P games like Anarchy, Uncharted Waters, and Knightage Online are just some of the examples.

     With the text I highlighted shows where a least one obsurdly negative person will be. You sir, are one of the reasons I quit the subscription games, because I quite frankly don't want to play with the obsurdly elitest mindsets that WoW has made. Enjoy your 15 dollar fee's for games that aren't worth it anymore.

     One the bright side, Archeage Online could possibly be F2P. 

    There are always people like that.

    If they can't stand teh trend, and quit .. i doubt anyone will even notice.

    Not only Archeage will be F2P. Age of Mushu, Marvel Heroes, Firefall ... are also all F2P. If they want to miss out on fun games, it is their perogative. We, on the other hand, will enjoy.

    So many more games coming to the F2P market, I'm loving it. So what that I might spend more of my money in the long run. I'm paying for the enjoyment; and each of the games you just stated shows a very good step forward to the F2P market.

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  • OnomasOnomas Rock Hill, SCPosts: 1,128Member Uncommon
    Highly doubt AA will be free to play.
  • GhavriggGhavrigg Halifax, NSPosts: 774Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
    Originally posted by xAPOCx

    Well on the bright side, ill never play a game that will have nari in it lol.  People like nari and the rest of the freeloading crowd is just one huge reason i DONT play F2P games. Those games are littered with people that just dont give a shit about the game. Their normaly the rude, ignorant, unhelpful player that i would stay away from.

     

    Saw what you want " oh thats not me" or " im really helpfull in games" tell it to someone who cares. Iv been around the block more then once and i can tell what type of player you are. Sometimes i think those that only want to play f2p like nari are the ones that take handfulls of mints from the dish at a diner or the guy at your office that sells pirated dvds.

     

    I will NEVER play a MMO that doesnt have a sub. I hope more people do what Nari does and never sets foot inside a sub game again. Will just keep like minded people together.

     Holy cow, I've never heard someone who had so much distaste for a video game community. Luckily I've had the exact opposite experience. Oh well, cheers to good communities in F2P games like Anarchy, Uncharted Waters, and Knightage Online are just some of the examples.

     With the text I highlighted shows where a least one obsurdly negative person will be. You sir, are one of the reasons I quit the subscription games, because I quite frankly don't want to play with the obsurdly elitest mindsets that WoW has made. Enjoy your 15 dollar fee's for games that aren't worth it anymore.

     One the bright side, Archeage Online could possibly be F2P. 

    Yeah, because F2P games don't have people with elitist mindsets.... right.

    FYI, people are the same in every game. The difference is that, with a sub, you actually are entitled to 99.9% of the content in the game, and your gameplay is not continuously disturbed by advertisements and restrictions trying to get you to buy things from a cash shop.

    That in itself is worth the sub fee, in my opinion. F2P games in general just feel inferior in nearly every way and quickly become annoying, at least to me.

  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    I suppose some people who say, "I'll never embrace the F2P market." or "Subscription games are only for me." Are afraid of embracing change. 

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  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Vineland, NJPosts: 869Member

    You guys can say what you want. But from my point of view the f2p community is some of the worst collection of people iv had the misfortune to play with.

    And EVERYONE that really wants AA to be a thriving world to play in for years doesnt want it to be F2P. F2Pers want to game jump and not have to worry about .50 cent a day they dont play the mmo.

    Good riddance to you and your ilk from the P2P payment model. Have fun game jumping.

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  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Aviggin

    Yeah, because F2P games don't have people with elitist mindsets.... right.

    FYI, people are the same in every game. The difference is that, with a sub, you actually are entitled to 99.9% of the content in the game, and your gameplay is not continuously disturbed by advertisements and restrictions trying to get you to buy things from a cash shop.

    That in itself is worth the sub fee, in my opinion. F2P games in general just feel inferior in nearly every way and quickly become annoying, at least to me.

    So, when you pay the fee of 15 dollars that .1% is the 20-30 items in the cash shops these subscription based games are implimenting? Are you no entitled to the the celestial mounts that they add? Or the special pets that they're selling? Are those not entitled for the loyal customers that have been with them for so many years?

    I don't play games where my gameplay is being continuously bombarded by advertisements, to tell you the truth, I don't know any in a very long time that have done that. I suppose there's a hidden section of MMO's that you're playing that I haven't noticed. Because I'm played 2-3 right now and I have yet to receive these "advertisements".

    Lol btw, if anyone noticed :3 Have a merry Christmas, and happy holidays!

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  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Vineland, NJPosts: 869Member
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
    I suppose some people who say, "I'll never embrace the F2P market." or "Subscription games are only for me." Are afraid of embracing change. 

    Not all change is good.

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by xAPOCx

    You guys can say what you want. But from my point of view the f2p community is some of the worst collection of people iv had the misfortune to play with.

    And EVERYONE that really wants AA to be a thriving world to play in for years doesnt want it to be F2P. F2Pers want to game jump and not have to worry about .50 cent a day they dont play the mmo.

    Good riddance to you and your ilk from the P2P payment model. Have fun game jumping.

    "Good riddance" is mutual. And yeah .. we are having fun (and will do so more in the future).

     

  • OnomasOnomas Rock Hill, SCPosts: 1,128Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
    I suppose some people who say, "I'll never embrace the F2P market." or "Subscription games are only for me." Are afraid of embracing change. 

    No, i have tried seeral f2p games. Aion, Eq2, atlantica online, PoTBS, PS2, etc.... In most cases i end up subbing to them anyways because the benifits far outweigh the free to play options. Atlanitca online has to be the worst F2P game thus far i have tried, major milk system.

    I dont like the idea of spending money on a mount: In a real mmorpg i can go out in the wild and tame one, buy one with earned game currency, or win one through a quest. Average price for a mount in F2P games = 20$

    I dont like the idea of buying clothing and decor: I want to make it, as crafting is part of a mmorpg. Dont like the idea someone who can spend hundreds of dollars a week over someone who cant to have more items just because of their bank role. All items should be available to everyone and the risk/reward be equal.

    I dont like the idea of having to buy extra inventory slots: F2P games always sucker you in to buy more, P2P you just get those. Why should I have to spend 5-10$ for an extra 5-10 slots?

    And the list can go on........

     

    But if you and nari love your limited f2p games, i am happy for you. I like real games and not limits. I dont like the idea game companies go F2P so they can milk more out of you. If they just made better games, with all kinds of features to keep me occupied, tons of quests, a good story, crafting, housing, exploration, and cram it all into a mmorpg (like they use to), id pay more than 15/month. Because 50 cents a day is not a lot for that kind of entertainment.

  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Vineland, NJPosts: 869Member
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by xAPOCx

    You guys can say what you want. But from my point of view the f2p community is some of the worst collection of people iv had the misfortune to play with.

    And EVERYONE that really wants AA to be a thriving world to play in for years doesnt want it to be F2P. F2Pers want to game jump and not have to worry about .50 cent a day they dont play the mmo.

    Good riddance to you and your ilk from the P2P payment model. Have fun game jumping.

    "Good riddance" is mutual. And yeah .. we are having fun (and will do so more in the future).

     

    glad we can agree on something.

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  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by xAPOCx

    You guys can say what you want. But from my point of view the f2p community is some of the worst collection of people iv had the misfortune to play with.

    And EVERYONE that really wants AA to be a thriving world to play in for years doesnt want it to be F2P. F2Pers want to game jump and not have to worry about .50 cent a day they dont play the mmo.

    Good riddance to you and your ilk from the P2P payment model. Have fun game jumping.

    "Good riddance" is mutual. And yeah .. we are having fun (and will do so more in the future).

     

     I think this guy has never been to the end game side of WoW, where the hardcore gamers all stay. It's not all fun and games, It's elitest mindsets that turn what's suppose to be a fun and entertaining experience into a second job that I'm paying for.

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  • OnomasOnomas Rock Hill, SCPosts: 1,128Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
    Originally posted by Aviggin

    Yeah, because F2P games don't have people with elitist mindsets.... right.

    FYI, people are the same in every game. The difference is that, with a sub, you actually are entitled to 99.9% of the content in the game, and your gameplay is not continuously disturbed by advertisements and restrictions trying to get you to buy things from a cash shop.

    That in itself is worth the sub fee, in my opinion. F2P games in general just feel inferior in nearly every way and quickly become annoying, at least to me.

    So, when you pay the fee of 15 dollars that .1% is the 20-30 items in the cash shops these subscription based games are implimenting? Are you no entitled to the the celestial mounts that they add? Or the special pets that they're selling? Are those not entitled for the loyal customers that have been with them for so many years?

    I don't play games where my gameplay is being continuously bombarded by advertisements, to tell you the truth, I don't know any in a very long time that have done that. I suppose there's a hidden section of MMO's that you're playing that I haven't noticed. Because I'm played 2-3 right now and I have yet to receive these "advertisements".

    Lol btw, if anyone noticed :3 Have a merry Christmas, and happy holidays!

    Post the games you are playing please.

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