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  • miguksarammiguksaram Fort Meade, MDPosts: 826Member Uncommon

    I would agree, and all my current systems currently run with, a 120/128GB SSD plus 1TB+ HDD is a good standard for a modern system over $1k.  There are certainly cases where a larger SSD might be worth considering but I've never personally run into them on any of my system which break down into the following:

    1. My Main System (Primarily a gaming PC which I only keep my main games running off the SSD)

    2. My Wife's CS6 System (doubles as a gaming PC but it was built with Photoshop in mind)

    3. Our HTPC (the 128Gb SSD in this is prebably overkill as the only thing that really benefits is Windows 7)

    If you in fact enjoy playing many large games (as in storage size) at the same time and don't want to hassle with moving them from HDD to SSD then you could certainly fall into the rare case where a larger SSD might be worth consideration, especially if you are looking at spending $2k or more.

  • miguksarammiguksaram Fort Meade, MDPosts: 826Member Uncommon

    I don't see any red flags but based on reviews and personal experience I'm going to recommend you swap out your PSU for a Seasonic X 750.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151087&Tpk=seasonic x750

    In most head to head comparisons is generally wins out in both overall performance/reliability and is very quiet.  Yes it's a bit more expensive and you'll probably lose out on the combo deal so that is why it's just a suggestion.  That said you actually don't need a 750 watt power supply so you could also consider a Seasonic X 650 for the same price as the Corsair.  The only time you would even need to think of getting a 750+ watt psu these days is generally for a multiple GPU setup.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151088&Tpk=seasonic x650

    A thread talking about the breakdown of the various product lines for Corsair PSU's that might interest you.

    http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2166353

    And finally a break down of OEM's for the various PSU's on the market:

    http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page541.htm

  • DM19DM19 billings, MTPosts: 120Member
    Originally posted by miguksaram

    I don't see any red flags but based on reviews and personal experience I'm going to recommend you swap out your PSU for a Seasonic X 750.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151087&Tpk=seasonic x750

    In most head to head comparisons is generally wins out in both overall performance/reliability and is very quiet.  Yes it's a bit more expensive and you'll probably lose out on the combo deal so that is why it's just a suggestion.  That said you actually don't need a 750 watt power supply so you could also consider a Seasonic X 650 for the same price as the Corsair.  The only time you would even need to think of getting a 750+ watt psu these days is generally for a multiple GPU setup.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151088&Tpk=seasonic x650

    A thread talking about the breakdown of the various product lines for Corsair PSU's that might interest you.

    http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2166353

    And finally a break down of OEM's for the various PSU's on the market:

    http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page541.htm

    Haha the PSU i was wanting is out of stock now too >.<. 

    Guess last thing i should cover just to be safe is place i build it at. My place is all carpet so would i want a rubber mat to stand on besides the static bracelet and do i only need one or two of them? Oh also it be on a wood table that would be ok right?

  • miguksarammiguksaram Fort Meade, MDPosts: 826Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DM19
    Originally posted by miguksaram

    I don't see any red flags but based on reviews and personal experience I'm going to recommend you swap out your PSU for a Seasonic X 750.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151087&amp;Tpk=seasonic x750

    In most head to head comparisons is generally wins out in both overall performance/reliability and is very quiet.  Yes it's a bit more expensive and you'll probably lose out on the combo deal so that is why it's just a suggestion.  That said you actually don't need a 750 watt power supply so you could also consider a Seasonic X 650 for the same price as the Corsair.  The only time you would even need to think of getting a 750+ watt psu these days is generally for a multiple GPU setup.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151088&amp;Tpk=seasonic x650

    A thread talking about the breakdown of the various product lines for Corsair PSU's that might interest you.

    http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2166353

    And finally a break down of OEM's for the various PSU's on the market:

    http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page541.htm

    Haha the PSU i was wanting is out of stock now too >.<. 

    Guess last thing i should cover just to be safe is place i build it at. My place is all carpet so would i want a rubber mat to stand on besides the static bracelet and do i only need one or two of them? Oh also it be on a wood table that would be ok right?

    I never used the static braclet but I've also built all my computers on hardwood tables along with hardwood floors so it really wasn't ever an issue.  I would suggest if you can help it do not build it while near carpet but if you can't just be sure to have something metal nearby to "discharge" the build up static on before you touch the electronic parts of the build.

  • oubersoubers bazelPosts: 876Member Common

    NO SSD drive(s)????

    you can put 200GIG of ram in it but your harddisk will still be your bottleneck when loading. (i recommend the revo 3 pci-e card as a harddrive to load your games from)

    16GB of RAM will do just fine....32 is overkill.

     

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  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 17,978Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by miguksaram

    I never used the static braclet but I've also built all my computers on hardwood tables along with hardwood floors so it really wasn't ever an issue.  I would suggest if you can help it do not build it while near carpet but if you can't just be sure to have something metal nearby to "discharge" the build up static on before you touch the electronic parts of the build.

    Chanses are pretty low that something happens but not zero (I trashed a network card once, saw he spark). And yeah, I used a hardwood table as well. I think 'I built 20 or so computers without the bracelet, twice that number with.

    ESD bracelets are a few bucks each, getting one is worth it even if chanses you get a spark is small if you are careful. Turning a new GFX card into a doorstop is not a good idea to save 5 bucks. And you might be able to borrow one from a friend for free.

  • DM19DM19 billings, MTPosts: 120Member
    Originally posted by miguksaram
    Originally posted by DM19
    Originally posted by miguksaram

    I don't see any red flags but based on reviews and personal experience I'm going to recommend you swap out your PSU for a Seasonic X 750.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151087&amp;Tpk=seasonic x750

    In most head to head comparisons is generally wins out in both overall performance/reliability and is very quiet.  Yes it's a bit more expensive and you'll probably lose out on the combo deal so that is why it's just a suggestion.  That said you actually don't need a 750 watt power supply so you could also consider a Seasonic X 650 for the same price as the Corsair.  The only time you would even need to think of getting a 750+ watt psu these days is generally for a multiple GPU setup.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151088&amp;Tpk=seasonic x650

    A thread talking about the breakdown of the various product lines for Corsair PSU's that might interest you.

    http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2166353

    And finally a break down of OEM's for the various PSU's on the market:

    http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page541.htm

    Haha the PSU i was wanting is out of stock now too >.<. 

    Guess last thing i should cover just to be safe is place i build it at. My place is all carpet so would i want a rubber mat to stand on besides the static bracelet and do i only need one or two of them? Oh also it be on a wood table that would be ok right?

    I never used the static braclet but I've also built all my computers on hardwood tables along with hardwood floors so it really wasn't ever an issue.  I would suggest if you can help it do not build it while near carpet but if you can't just be sure to have something metal nearby to "discharge" the build up static on before you touch the electronic parts of the build.

    Thanks for all the help :) Now just to get the parts and see if it ends up a bomb somehow lol

  • DancingQueenDancingQueen LA, CAPosts: 201Member

    Why such a top-notch CPU paired with such an average graphics card?

    Spend a little extra and get the GTX 670 instead. ;)

  • DM19DM19 billings, MTPosts: 120Member
    Originally posted by DancingQueen

    Why such a top-notch CPU paired with such an average graphics card?

    Spend a little extra and get the GTX 670 instead. ;)

    The new build is on page 3 and thats what i got :)

  • DancingQueenDancingQueen LA, CAPosts: 201Member
    Originally posted by DM19
    Originally posted by DancingQueen

    Why such a top-notch CPU paired with such an average graphics card?

    Spend a little extra and get the GTX 670 instead. ;)

    The new build is on page 3 and thats what i got :)

    There are only 2 pages.

  • KabaalKabaal Edinburgh, ScotlandPosts: 3,012Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by miguksaram
    Originally posted by DM19
    Originally posted by miguksaram

    I don't see any red flags but based on reviews and personal experience I'm going to recommend you swap out your PSU for a Seasonic X 750.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151087&amp;Tpk=seasonic x750

    In most head to head comparisons is generally wins out in both overall performance/reliability and is very quiet.  Yes it's a bit more expensive and you'll probably lose out on the combo deal so that is why it's just a suggestion.  That said you actually don't need a 750 watt power supply so you could also consider a Seasonic X 650 for the same price as the Corsair.  The only time you would even need to think of getting a 750+ watt psu these days is generally for a multiple GPU setup.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151088&amp;Tpk=seasonic x650

    A thread talking about the breakdown of the various product lines for Corsair PSU's that might interest you.

    http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2166353

    And finally a break down of OEM's for the various PSU's on the market:

    http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page541.htm

    Haha the PSU i was wanting is out of stock now too >.<. 

    Guess last thing i should cover just to be safe is place i build it at. My place is all carpet so would i want a rubber mat to stand on besides the static bracelet and do i only need one or two of them? Oh also it be on a wood table that would be ok right?

    I never used the static braclet but I've also built all my computers on hardwood tables along with hardwood floors so it really wasn't ever an issue.  I would suggest if you can help it do not build it while near carpet but if you can't just be sure to have something metal nearby to "discharge" the build up static on before you touch the electronic parts of the build.

    Tuoching the copper pipe on a radiator before you handle each part is almost as good as a bracelet if you know you're not going to build it up quickly. The only time i've ever used the bracelets was on one of my first jobs, minimum wage soldering circuit boards in a factory :)

  • DM19DM19 billings, MTPosts: 120Member
    Originally posted by DancingQueen
    Originally posted by DM19
    Originally posted by DancingQueen

    Why such a top-notch CPU paired with such an average graphics card?

    Spend a little extra and get the GTX 670 instead. ;)

    The new build is on page 3 and thats what i got :)

    There are only 2 pages.

    Hmm odd your reply is on page 4 now :) Are you using a phone?

  • GruntyGrunty TexasPosts: 7,061Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DM19
    Originally posted by DancingQueen
    Originally posted by DM19
    Originally posted by DancingQueen

    Why such a top-notch CPU paired with such an average graphics card?

    Spend a little extra and get the GTX 670 instead. ;)

    The new build is on page 3 and thats what i got :)

    There are only 2 pages.

    Hmm odd your reply is on page 4 now :) Are you using a phone?

    I only see one page of discussion. Look in your profile settings. Experiment.

  • DM19DM19 billings, MTPosts: 120Member
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by DM19

    So i've pretty much just been looking at the processor and motherboard so far and as i keep reading into them i'm changing my mind time and again so here i am lol.

    So i was going to just go high end on everything and get an I7 but yeah really no point in it like was said so going I5.

    Same with the motherboard i was going to get ASUS Rampage IV Extreme LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131802 They say its not very noob friendly and seems like it might be overkill now also but i'm not sure there.

    Ram has got me wondering also as i see a lot of 16gb with four sticks of ram rather than two and someone said get two 8gb sticks.

    I have a $2000 range. Could go $4000 but really rather not.

    Needless to say its for gaming and i play a mix of single player and online/mmo games and looking to get a set up that be as smooth for all of them as i can get.

     

    Considering that you started out looking at a $1400 machine, I'm guessing that you'd prefer to spend less than $2000 so long as it doesn't mean losing significant quality or performance.

    All prices including shipping and before rebates:

    Processor/motherboard combo deal:  $379

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1141015

    That's the standard gaming enthusiast processor, together with a fairly high end motherboard that can do everything you'll want (within reason; it won't cook your meals), plus a lot of stuff you won't.

    Case/power supply combo deal:  $245 before $35 in rebates

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1149288

    Fairly high end power supply together with a big, feature rich case that will handle whatever you later decide to do with it.

    Video card/memory combo deal:  $505

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1160615

    You've got the budget to grab a top-of-the-line single GPU card, so here it is.  And you don't really need 16 GB of system memory, but it's cheap, so why not?  The specs on the memory are pretty good, and two 8 GB modules leaves you room to easily add more on the off chance that someday you decide you need more memory.

    Solid state drive:  $171

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148530

    A computer without a good SSD is slow.  So here's a good SSD.

    Hard drive:  $150

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148907

    How much hard drive capacity do you need?  Probably a lot less than you think you need.  But you were looking at 4 TB in your original post, so here's a 3 TB hard drive.

    Optical drive:  $16

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151256

    Because there's rarely point in spending more unless you want to watch Blu-Ray movies on your computer.

    CPU heatsink/fan:  $40

    http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-100700529-True-Spirit-120/dp/B005MSOH7C

    New Egg doesn't carry it, but Hard OCP gave it a glowing review.  Reasonably good cooling performance, and very, very quiet.

    Operating system:  $100

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416550

    Because you need it if you want any Windows software to run.  Such as nearly all games.

    Total:  $1606, including shipping and before $35 in rebates.

    I'm assuming that you keep peripherals (keyboard, mouse, speakers, surge protector, monitor) from an old build.

    If you're inclined to spend more to get something special, then what do you think about Eyefinity?  You could spread a game window across three monitors for an enormous effective monitor resolution.

    -----

    So how does this compare to what you had listed in your initial post?

    The processor is, for gaming purposes, equivalent.  The motherboard is a different platform, so it lacks the LGA 2011 features (not relevant to gaming, apart from for a CrossFire/SLI setup that you shouldn't get), but is probably otherwise a little higher quality.  The difference between 16 GB and 32 GB of system memory doesn't matter.  You lose 1 TB of hard drive capacity.  Sounds bad, right?

    Well, look at what you gain.  You get a top of the line video card instead of mid-range.  You get a good SSD, which will make everything feel dramatically more responsive.  You get a high end power supply, rather than a piece of junk that is a danger to your system.  You get what is probably a substantially nicer case, albeit with a far less gaudy paint job.  You get better processor cooling.  By my reckoning, that's about $600 worth of upgrades, for a price difference of $200.

    Just went to place my order and the CPU/MB deal is gone. I think the CPU was http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504 and i know the MB was a Gigabyte but i don't know which one and hoping you recall what it was???

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,783Member Uncommon

    The processor was probably a Core i5-3570K.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

    I have no idea what the motherboard was.  But prices change, so let's just pick something that is a nice deal today.  Take your pick:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128544

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130644

  • SouldrainerSouldrainer Elmer, NJPosts: 1,857Member
    I can't take any build seriously if it doesn't have a solid state drive.

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  • kartoolkartool Hamilton, ONPosts: 472Member Uncommon

    I highly recommend getting an SSD. It's really a night and day difference in performance and any well balanced system will use one these days - at least for the OS. I use a 500GB Momentus XT drive for most of my games - game of the week ends up on the SSD. I have a 3rd normal drive just for storage. SSD's are dirt cheap these days, really no excuse not to throw one in a new system.

  • DM19DM19 billings, MTPosts: 120Member
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    The processor was probably a Core i5-3570K.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

    I have no idea what the motherboard was.  But prices change, so let's just pick something that is a nice deal today.  Take your pick:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128544

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130644

    Some thing new came to mind. How long you think them MB will be good for before id need to upgrade down the road? Would it be better to buy a higher end MB now you think? If so what would be a good one to look at as they all seem pretty much the same to me when i'm looking at them.

    To everyone else who keeps saying get an SSD would you please read the rest.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,783Member Uncommon

    Ivy Bridge is the last generation of processors that will fit socket LGA 1155.  If you want to upgrade the processor in the future, you'll have to get a new motherboard, anyway.

    The CPU industry is going to move to DDR4 memory kind of soonish (my guess is that CPUs that launch in 2014 will mostly be DDR4, while nothing particularly important is coming in 2013), and that will break socket compatibility, anyway.

    Meanwhile, it would take something very unusual for either of the motherboards that I linked to not offer what you need, apart from a future generation CPU for which the motherboards don't yet exist.  Either of the boards that I linked have plenty of features, and can properly support CrossFire/SLI and a pretty hefty overclock of the processor.

    If you're planning on trying liquid nitrogen overclocking, 3- or 4-way CrossFire or SLI, 64 GB of system memory, or some other very unusual things, then yeah, you'd want a different motherboard.  But high end motherboards are mainly there as a way to give people with more money than sense something to spend it on.

  • DM19DM19 billings, MTPosts: 120Member
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    Ivy Bridge is the last generation of processors that will fit socket LGA 1155.  If you want to upgrade the processor in the future, you'll have to get a new motherboard, anyway.

    The CPU industry is going to move to DDR4 memory kind of soonish (my guess is that CPUs that launch in 2014 will mostly be DDR4, while nothing particularly important is coming in 2013), and that will break socket compatibility, anyway.

    Meanwhile, it would take something very unusual for either of the motherboards that I linked to not offer what you need, apart from a future generation CPU for which the motherboards don't yet exist.  Either of the boards that I linked have plenty of features, and can properly support CrossFire/SLI and a pretty hefty overclock of the processor.

    If you're planning on trying liquid nitrogen overclocking, 3- or 4-way CrossFire or SLI, 64 GB of system memory, or some other very unusual things, then yeah, you'd want a different motherboard.  But high end motherboards are mainly there as a way to give people with more money than sense something to spend it on.

    That is what i'm worried about seeing as that is where my PC is at now and can't upgrade anything : / so i guess in about 3 or 4 years ill need to buy an all new one again... The feed back on them MB has me a bit worried or i'd have put my order in already. Know i'm being a pretty big pain at this point on all this but you think i should be all that worried over it?

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,783Member Uncommon

    Processor improvements are slowing way down, so a high end processor today will still be decent in several years.  It used to be about 40% per year, as that's how many extra transistors you got from Moore's Law.  A year or two ago, AMD said they would improve their processor performance by 10%-15% per year in the near future, and that they thought would be enough to keep pace with Intel.  If anything, AMD may have overestimated what they'd need to do, as Ivy Bridge is a single-digit percentage improvement over Sandy Bridge in desktops, and Haswell (Intel's 2013 architecture) looks to be about the same as compared to Ivy Bridge.  I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Broadwell (Intel's 2014 architecture) is actually slower than Haswell for desktop use.

    My desktop is more than three years old now, and probably still nicer than 90%+ of the new computers that people will buy today.  (I have an SSD and most new desktops don't.)  $1300 excluding peripherals three years ago was enough to get something roughly competitive with a $700 desktop today (assuming that $700 is efficiently spent; throw $1000 at Dell or HP and you'd get something markedly worse than my computer), and I expect that your system will have better longevity than mine as improvements continue to slow down.

  • DM19DM19 billings, MTPosts: 120Member
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    The processor was probably a Core i5-3570K.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

    I have no idea what the motherboard was.  But prices change, so let's just pick something that is a nice deal today.  Take your pick:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128544

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130644

    Would you recommend this MB? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-128-545&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=3#scrollFullInfo I'm bit more happy with the feedback of it than the others.

  • Ice-QueenIce-Queen USA, GAPosts: 2,451Member Uncommon

    For MB Asrock Z77 Extreme 4 or Extreme 6 are both nice boards

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157295

    The ones Quizzical posted are excellent as well.

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