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[Award] General: 2012 Players' Choice Awards

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  • hyperion529hyperion529 mission viejo, CAPosts: 10Member
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    Originally posted by hyperion529

    What is innovative about GW2?  Its a genertic fantasy MMO...no new features. It is a great game and probably SHOULD get GOTY...but certianly nothing innovative there.  

     

    I think the problem is that the education system in the US never taught people what the word "innovative" means.

     

    It shouldnt even be on the list, people just vote for it in that catageory because thats they game they play, not because they actually think its innovative.

    What did any of the games in that list do that is innovative following what you think is innovative?

     

    Well, that was poorly phrased., and doesn't answer my question. 

     

    But to answer your question, TSW is highly innovative with its quest structure, storyline, battle system that is able to adapt so well (GW style dodging was added post release, as was TERA style reticle combat), modern/horror setting and concpets taken from real world mythologies.  

     

    I would also include things like the classless system of progression, the amazing quality of the voice acting and storyline in general, and the unique crafting mechanics, but those were all simply improved upon and not innovative by themselves. 

     

    In reality, its the whole package, tied seemlessly together that is what is innovative.

     

    Simply put, TSW is by far the most innovative game on this list from my perspective and I think objectivly, albeit I haven't played pirates 101, so I don't have perspective there.

     

     

    In order to critique what I said here, first answer my question about what is innovative about GW2. Thanks.

     
     
  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by hyperion529
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    Originally posted by hyperion529

    What is innovative about GW2?  Its a genertic fantasy MMO...no new features. It is a great game and probably SHOULD get GOTY...but certianly nothing innovative there.  

     

    I think the problem is that the education system in the US never taught people what the word "innovative" means.

     

    It shouldnt even be on the list, people just vote for it in that catageory because thats they game they play, not because they actually think its innovative.

    What did any of the games in that list do that is innovative following what you think is innovative?

     

    Well, that was poorly phrased., and doesn't answer my question. 

     

    But to answer your question, TSW is highly innovative with its quest structure, storyline, battle system that is able to adapt so well (GW style dodging was added post release, as was TERA style reticle combat), modern/horror setting and concpets taken from real world mythologies.  

     

    I would also include things like the classless system of progression, the amazing quality of the voice acting and storyline in general, and the unique crafting mechanics, but those were all simply improved upon and not innovative by themselves. 

     

    In reality, its the whole package, tied seemlessly together that is what is innovative.

     

    Simply put, TSW is by far the most innovative game on this list from my perspective and I think objectivly, albeit I haven't played pirates 101, so I don't have perspective there.

     

     

    In order to critique what I said here, first answer my question about what is innovative about GW2. Thanks.

     
     

    I won't critique it because in a lot of it I agree with it. TSW does have things that I find innovative. I don't believe innovation has to be something that has never been done before.

     

    With that said, I do believe GW2 has a lot of innovation. Dynamics Events are something that defer from the norm of questing on MMOs and are used as the main system in pve for the game. Combat in the game has it's own style. Were movement, coordination and general skill awareness is integral. It's pvp(since gw1) has been pushing for normalized combat using the deck of cards approach over the D&D approach. The balance itself is rarely seen in other games. Revisiting the R&R made popular by DAOC with its own take. Stepping away from the trinity to a different system. The overflow server system. There are probably more, but you get my point.

     

    Just like TSW and the other games on that list, GW2 brings innovation. No, that doesn't mean something never before seen. But sort of how you put it, the package of things that are next steps to already established ideas or maybe just made popular in these games in particular is what makes GW2 belong in that list.

     

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  • KiljaedenasKiljaedenas New Westminster, BCPosts: 468Member
    Originally posted by Malcanis
    Originally posted by botrytis
    Originally posted by LlexX

    Im quiet supprised that EveOnline is missing from the list.

    Also GW2 is just getting too much attention, which it shouldn't deserve.

    This year was again a year of themeparks... sadly, hope that changes for the next year.

    Eve is not a new game - hence it should not be on the list.

     

    Just becaue you don't like GW2 does not mean it shouldn't get this attention. In fact, I feel it is not getting enough attention now!

    Agreed - EVE has won so many times that it's only right that it bows out this year to make room for fresh newcomers like World of Warcraft.

    Lol, nice

    Where's the any key?

  • livespartanlivespartan calexico, CAPosts: 71Member

    Innovation isn't just bringing something new to the table it also about building upon an idea that has already existed which both TSW and GW 2 do. Why can't people just accept that?

     

  • BrenelaelBrenelael Warren, MEPosts: 3,996Member

    Maybe it's just me but the Game of the year for the last 3 years has been a "Pick the least smelliest turd" contest. Oh well maybe next year something at least halfway decent will release.

     

    Bren

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  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Spartan, while I agree with your post, and neither game is a boring wow clone.

    Wakfu is the most innovative game this year.
  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Bren,
    I picked the best mmo of the past 10 years for goty.

    Unfortunately its nowhere near the top.
  • dreamsofwardreamsofwar bangorPosts: 468Member
    Why is Storm Legion and Pandaria on the GOTY list but not Riders of Rohan?
  • ZorgoZorgo Deepintheheartof, TXPosts: 2,226Member
    Originally posted by MikeB
    Originally posted by Kabaal

    Sadly the choices in some of the categories are lacking this year. It felt like choosing between "meh" and "ok". Star Citizen was however clear cut, can't wait to see what they do with the game.

    What games would you have liked to see that we didn't have in there?

    Not necessarily saying it should be there, but I am curious how D3 didn't end up on the hybrid list.

    I'd be pretty surprised if you folks didn't at least discuss it. So I'm just wondering how you arrived at the decision to not include it.

  • EvokerzEvokerz SingaporePosts: 36Member
    As of 12/12/2012, I think GW2 deserve its Most Innovation title because as of right now TSW followed and copied GW2 innovative revenue model B2P for MMO category which is proven to be highly successful, very popular, better than F2P, better than Freemium and better than P2P.
  • xpowderxxpowderx Radcliff, KYPosts: 2,131Member Uncommon
    Heh, I voted for Pirate101. The combat system is definitely unique. The game is soso.. sooo addicting :-D. Makes all the other pirate games out look very weak!
  • neroistneroist Chatsworth, GAPosts: 24Member
    GW2 has nothing on TSW in innovation. I played both. It is just GW2 was played by more and they voted for it cause they liked it.  NONE of my guildies or the people the people I run MMOs with are still in GW2 guild size 54 members. I think 1 stills plays GW2. TSW on the other hand has leaps and bounds in inovation. And alot of my friends and my first guild there in TSW are still there.
  • TheocritusTheocritus Gary, INPosts: 3,734Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Brenelael

    Maybe it's just me but the Game of the year for the last 3 years has been a "Pick the least smelliest turd" contest. Oh well maybe next year something at least halfway decent will release.

     

    Bren

           Yeah I agree...MMOs have just been awful the last couple of years....I think thats why f2p is becomeing so popular because nothing is worth paying for anymore.

  • Kuro1nKuro1n GothenburgPosts: 771Member
    Originally posted by MikeB
    Originally posted by Kabaal

    Sadly the choices in some of the categories are lacking this year. It felt like choosing between "meh" and "ok". Star Citizen was however clear cut, can't wait to see what they do with the game.

    What games would you have liked to see that we didn't have in there?

    How about fucking EVE Online? Wow you include WOW:MoP and RIFT but not EVE? Bullshit poll man.

  • modusmodus Unknown, ONPosts: 55Member Uncommon

    I voted.  Pretty much every questions I was going down the list and thinking NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, what no more options? Wish there was none of the above.

    None of the games were innovative, people that still think GW2 was innovative drank way too much Kool-Aid.

  • strangiato2112strangiato2112 Richmond, VAPosts: 1,538Member Common
    The Rising Star category makes no sense.  A few games (that arent mmorpgs) released, a few games that may never release, a game that probably wont be localized for a while, and a couple reboots of failed games.  I dont see any rhyme or reason to it.
  • wiser22wiser22 Pharr, TXPosts: 1Member
    wtf is that p.o.s. WoW game doing on any of these lists?  Blizzard must have paid this website quite a bit to get their unworthy mmo on any of these lists.
  • Kuro1nKuro1n GothenburgPosts: 771Member
    Originally posted by wiser22
    wtf is that p.o.s. WoW game doing on any of these lists?  Blizzard must have paid this website quite a bit to get their unworthy mmo on any of these lists.

    Well that seems quite obvious dont you think? Considering the whole background of the page is currently a WoW add. http://i.imgur.com/DGkDs.jpg

  • MaelzraelMaelzrael Las Cruces, NMPosts: 354Member Uncommon
    I love how many people are mad that Gw2 and TSW are listed as most innovative... Out of all the options on the list.. they actually are the most innovative.

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  • strangiato2112strangiato2112 Richmond, VAPosts: 1,538Member Common
    Originally posted by wiser22
    wtf is that p.o.s. WoW game doing on any of these lists?  Blizzard must have paid this website quite a bit to get their unworthy mmo on any of these lists.
     

    Um, because its a high quality major 2012 release?  There are about 5 or 6 other games that would be booted before MoP gets booted.

  • KhinRuniteKhinRunite ManilaPosts: 879Member
    Originally posted by Brenelael

    Maybe it's just me but the Game of the year for the last 3 years has been a "Pick the least smelliest turd" contest. Oh well maybe next year something at least halfway decent will release.

     

    Bren

    I could never get this kind of outlook in life. Judging from your harsh words your taste must be on the other end of the spectrum, and if by next year the nominees are actually to your liking they will then be considered "a selection of turds" by the other camp.

  • strangiato2112strangiato2112 Richmond, VAPosts: 1,538Member Common
    Originally posted by KhinRunite
    Originally posted by Brenelael

    Maybe it's just me but the Game of the year for the last 3 years has been a "Pick the least smelliest turd" contest. Oh well maybe next year something at least halfway decent will release.

     

    Bren

    I could never get this kind of outlook in life. Judging from your harsh words your taste must be on the other end of the spectrum, and if by next year the nominees are actually to your liking they will then be considered "a selection of turds" by the other camp.

    last year was pretty sad

    this year has a lot of quality:  TSW, Storm Legion, GW2, MoP, PS2...all easily better than anything launched last year.

  • djicedjice Red Deer, ABPosts: 7Member Uncommon
    So many here have missed how GW2 is inovative... Name 1 other game where you can start killing a boss and have 100 other pple jump in and the boss not only gets harder but drops loot and exp for everyone attacking it when it dies.  They have almost eliminated the need for static groups.  Now if they would only make the dungoens open like the rest of the world we would all be happier.

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  • FinitFinit Smithsburg, MDPosts: 145Member

    I think Guild Wars 2 was reallly innovative.  It has created new features, and revitalized old/good ideas.   (TSW definitely was too, I just think not as much)

    -Level Scaling

    -Dynamic Event Scaling (Even if you don't like events, the scaling system is still innovative)

    -Overflow Servers

    -No Trinity

    -B2P Model on AAA MMO 

    -Reviving WVW (seriously how many of you still play DAoC)

    -Combo Fields

    -Very Much Horizontal Gear Progression (yes a small lapse with Ascended.)

    Monthly content that absolutely no other company can keep up with.

     

    My Guild Wars 2 Blog can be found here: Divinity's Reach

  • eye_meye_m Notta Chance, ABPosts: 3,133Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Finit

    I think Guild Wars 2 was reallly innovative.  It has created new features, and revitalized old/good ideas.   (TSW definitely was too, I just think not as much)

    -Level Scaling

    -Dynamic Event Scaling (Even if you don't like events, the scaling system is still innovative)

    -Overflow Servers

    -No Trinity

    -B2P Model on AAA MMO 

    -Reviving WVW (seriously how many of you still play DAoC)

    -Combo Fields

    -Very Much Horizontal Gear Progression (yes a small lapse with Ascended.)

    Monthly content that absolutely no other company can keep up with.

     

    you can say that again! oops..    nvm.

    All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

    I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.

    I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.

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