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How can lifetimers get back at Funcom?

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  • EvelknievelEvelknievel Ehrenfeld, PAPosts: 2,977Member
    Originally posted by banzai014

    So Funcom is laughing all the way to the bank with lifetimers' money. We haven't even seen a return on our investment (12+ months sub time) and TSW has already gone F2P. Instead, we are being given a sop for wanting to support Funcom and trusting their "we won't go F2P anytime, cash shop is cosmetics-only" promise - for a $15 month's sub, players now get $10 in Funcom fake monies that expire after 6 months and 20% discount on all per-character (not even account!) clothing/pets (non-DLC items) bought from the cash shop.  It would be cheaper to buy the $5-10 monthly DLC from the store than sub in this game. 

    Of course we can't vote with our wallets, Funcom already has our money. Rather than listening to our complaints, Funcom would be more apt to ban us for being disruptive in chat / forums since they've already milked us cash-wise and we're now just a drain on server resources.

    So how can lifetimers protest? We have to do it through word of mouth. It's our duty to warn players from this game. We must warn our friends, our family, warn people in the forums we frequent. Let our cautionary tale make it known that only fools part money with Funcom.

     

    I bought the lifetime, however I don't feel like I am getting screwed.

    Apparently you haven't read what us lifetimers are getting.

  • TalulaRoseTalulaRose Long Island, NYPosts: 480Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DrunkWolf
    did none of you guys play age of conan? why on earth would anybody give funcom lifetime anything??

    I skipped that one.

  • paulythebpaulytheb Wauwatosa, WIPosts: 261Member Uncommon

     How can lifetimers get back at Funcom?

     

    Well, if I really wanted to get back at a business in this age, I would form a facebook group of (hopefully) likeminded people and once enough members are ready and in position, everyone would file dozens trivial bug reports and put in endless customer support tickets both in game and on any forums if possible.

    Then the group can wage a public service campaign via the facebook page on any backlash from the customer support storm.

    Then in phase 2 once enough popularity to the cause is garnered and press related to the backlash comes out , you reach out to anyone, non gamers , people who never played and have them all engage in signing petitions and mass mailings to the government in charge, any press you can and anyone else who will listen.Then more complaints and bombardment of websites assosiated with the company along with any possible in game complaining yet available.

    Basically try put the full weight of public opinion and the whole internet against the company in question.

     

    You would need a lot of initial support for your cause to have any impact of course, but if the cause is popular enough, the negative press could be devastating to a media company and the cost of dealing with the PR fiasco and the strained customer support trying to figure out which tickets are actually valid could in fact crush a company.

     

    But, that is just if I was mad. I'm not suggesting anyone do such a thing.

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  • banzai014banzai014 WellingtonPosts: 27Member

    Well I have contacted Massively and MMORPG.com suggesting they write an article investigating the legal implications of TSW's B2P change or otherwise recommend me a lawyer specializing in this area that I could talk to. I hope this way we can get something started moving forward and clarify exactly  what legal recourse existing subscribers have. I only ask that players get the option of having their extant subscription time refunded, since the subscription service has so wholly changed from what they originally intended to pay for (i.e. it has lost a lot of its value, which is paying for access to the game).

  • hehenephehenep Charlottesville, VAPosts: 221Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by FromHell

    Ripped off lifetimer here. It´s an insult that the buyers of the 29$ game now get all of the content I payed 250 $ for.

    The DLCs will be 5 Dollars and yes I´ll get monthly points but with the reduced prices, I as an early supporter got *******  by FC.

     

    Thanks for nothing. Never will buy another MMO on launch. NEVER AGAIN.

    The person who spends $29 today gets the same thing as the person who spent $29 before the game went B2P so you're not getting ripped off of anything there specifically.

     

    It's more the lack of a sub fee that's the issue yes.  If it helps at all (and it probably won't I know) that person who buys the game as B2P and never spends another dime on it won't have any access to the issue content (DLC) going forward at all whereas you can effectively get it for 'free' with your stipend and possibly a bunch of other stuff on the store with left-over points as well.  You will always have more, over time, than anyone who didn't get a lifetime subscription and you won't have to pay Funcom another cent in order to get it.

     

    Granted I wouldn't say no to getting more stuff, but I hardly think lifetime members are getting that horrible of a deal either.  Also there's never anything terribly wrong with buying a MMO out of the gate, but it's generally not a good idea to buy a lifetime unless you've played it some and are ok with the posibility of it going F2P.  Otherwise I'd say 6 months in is generally the best time to look into seriously investing in a MMO.  That's usually a nice spot where you can tell the direction the game's going to be going in the long-term.

  • nycplayboy78nycplayboy78 Washington, DCPosts: 143Member Uncommon
    Good LAWD...This is turning out into a hot mess.....Got to love FunCom o.O

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  • WizardryWizardry Ontario, CanadaPosts: 8,428Member Uncommon

    You need to realize that devs don`t go f2p to createa free gaming environment,they do it as an alternative method to get more money.

    So if you realize the game is still pay to play ,just in a different manner,you won`t be bummed out.


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  • JyiigaJyiiga Seneca, SCPosts: 1,041Member Uncommon
    With Funcom's track record going into this game... you should have known better. 
  • hehenephehenep Charlottesville, VAPosts: 221Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nycplayboy78
    Good LAWD...This is turning out into a hot mess.....Got to love FunCom o.O

    To be fair, I don't think the whole lifetime membership being merged into some form of F2P/B2P buisness plan is a Funcom exclusive issue.  Especially since I'm sure a decent number of people buy those sorts of things specifically to save on monthly subscription fees over time as opposed to getting access to content over time.

  • OrtwigOrtwig Cambridge, MAPosts: 1,159Member Uncommon

    Plain silliness -- lifers are making out best of all. Go read the FAQ.  Carefully, this time:

    http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=62789

  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ortwig

    Plain silliness -- lifers are making out best of all. Go read the FAQ.  Carefully, this time:

    http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=62789

    They are among the current tiers. But compared to what lifers would get before the transition I'm not sure that is right. But, buying a lifetime is a risk after all.

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  • elvenwolfelvenwolf RomePosts: 139Member
    damn... i wish i bought a lifetime now.  i tend to use cash shop a lot, especialky on vanity items, clothes and similar, the lifetime deal now would be perfect for me, in the end i'd save money with the monthly points.
  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by elvenwolf
    damn... i wish i bought a lifetime now.  i tend to use cash shop a lot, especialky on vanity items, clothes and similar, the lifetime deal now would be perfect for me, in the end i'd save money with the monthly points.

    You probably can. Right?

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  • SuprGamerXSuprGamerX Montreal, QCPosts: 531Member
    LOL!! Good luck on any sort of refund , I've learned my lesson a few years back when I pre ordered my lifetime sub of STO. :)
  • OrtwigOrtwig Cambridge, MAPosts: 1,159Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    Originally posted by elvenwolf
    damn... i wish i bought a lifetime now.  i tend to use cash shop a lot, especialky on vanity items, clothes and similar, the lifetime deal now would be perfect for me, in the end i'd save money with the monthly points.

    You probably can. Right?

    Sure can.  You can still buy the Grandmaster Pack -- available to upgrade anytime.

  • TalonsinTalonsin Posts: 1,468Member Uncommon
    As a lifer, I think legal action is a bit much.  I just have an issue with my points expiring.  I play many games very casually and I frequently jump in and out of games for up to a year at a time while I wait on content.  Having my points expire is just plain greedy and not even Perfect World, is that greedy and that says a lot.
  • elvenwolfelvenwolf RomePosts: 139Member
    Originally posted by Ortwig
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    Originally posted by elvenwolf
    damn... i wish i bought a lifetime now.  i tend to use cash shop a lot, especialky on vanity items, clothes and similar, the lifetime deal now would be perfect for me, in the end i'd save money with the monthly points.

    You probably can. Right?

    Sure can.  You can still buy the Grandmaster Pack -- available to upgrade anytime.

    Thanks for the info, i'll go lifetime asap then, at this point is a money saver for me.

  • RaysheRayshe London, ONPosts: 1,284Member

    Ok so what i got from this is that People who are blasting TSW that are non players are saying "Lifers are stupid because they bought a LTF for the game" And 90% of lifers are says "doesnt really matter to us, nothing is really changing" while the 10% are screaming "WE GOT SCREWED RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE"

     

    Sorry but i was a subscriber so im a middle ground here.

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  • lunarwitch00lunarwitch00 kanas, MOPosts: 43Member

    so lets see

     

    you pay 200+ for lifetimes

    it goes b2p for 30 bucks

    lifer get free points. and a discounted shop stuff. and you can still sub if you want plus have to buy stuff from cash shop

    the free points arent free unless the content is like 1 dollar.

    sounds to me like they giving just enough points to maybe get a content update,the exp booster useable 1 time for an hour every 16 hours lmao thats just silly.

     

    either way seen it coming.

     

    its definately a shame.

    so many good things ruined by the dollar

     

  • Asm0deusAsm0deus BaatorPosts: 1,112Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by lunarwitch00

    so lets see

     

    you pay 200+ for lifetimes

    it goes b2p for 30 bucks

    lifer get free points. and a discounted shop stuff. and you can still sub if you want plus have to buy stuff from cash shop

    the free points arent free unless the content is like 1 dollar.

    sounds to me like they giving just enough points to maybe get a content update,the exp booster useable 1 time for an hour every 16 hours lmao thats just silly.

     

    either way seen it coming.

     

    its definately a shame.

    so many good things ruined by the dollar

     

    This is what happens when people pray at the subscription altar like it's the only way to do things, definately sucks for those that got conned into buying lifetime subs.

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  • Shoko_LiedShoko_Lied -, WAPosts: 2,080Member Uncommon
    You can get back at them by playing the game. Hahahahah
  • RaysheRayshe London, ONPosts: 1,284Member

    Im starting to think all of his Posts are about that and hes employed by another company or someone Funcom Fired in the past

     

    anyhow i took this right from thesecretworld.com

     

    New Content for the Future

    Periodically we will release packs of DLC (Downloadable Content). These updates, called Issues in The Secret World, contain new content, such as more Auxiliary Weapons, new missions and story arcs. These packs are fully optional and can be purchased normally or for the Bonus Points that are included in the optional Membership, as well as with the Grandmaster Lifetime service.

    The first DLC will start selling in January 2013, and is the main storyline of issue #5. This will sell for $5, however this content is already fully unlocked for anyone who has a full game account registered before the end of December 2012.

    Regular patches with free content and updates and enhancements to the core game will still continue.

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  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,860Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by banzai014

    We haven't even seen a return on our investment (12+ months sub time)

    You did not invest into TSW, you spent money on it.


    2nd thread already? Seriously..?


    It is between you and FC only, no point posting your unhappiness with compensation related to shift of business model.

  • FromHellFromHell NY, NYPosts: 1,311Member

    How about we petition FC to get REAL rewards as lifetimers????

    I'm not on a rant against the game, it's still the best thing I've played in years but the downgrade in value of my lifetime pack is

    **NOT ACCEPTABLE**

     

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  • RaysheRayshe London, ONPosts: 1,284Member

    What do you mean real rewards, Your still paying for Squat additionally. DLC is NOT the monthly updates people keep thinking they are READ THE QOUTE I PUT UP. Your getting MORE points now than you were before. So once every several months you can spend them on DLC, as i sai CAN not FORCED TO. You are losing nothing. your Gains - Loss will even out, in fact you will still end up paying less for the game than anyone else.

     

    Actually if it sticks around long enough. THEY will be paying YOU to play the game.

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