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  • itgrowlsitgrowls newport news, VAPosts: 2,951Member
    Originally posted by WhiteLantern
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    That's exactly what I was thinking. As a newly disabled person I can't work, nice to see people assume that everyone can and that no one has health issues and that poverty is the only driving force behind F2P games right?

  • snapfusionsnapfusion San, CAPosts: 954Member
    For your sake I hope you never manage to find a F2P that you actually want to stick with.   Thats when you will wish it had a sub......
  • ZekiahZekiah Aurora, COPosts: 2,499Member
    Originally posted by snapfusion
    For your sake I hope you never manage to find a F2P that you actually want to stick with.   Thats when you will wish it had a sub......

    Lol, exactly!

    "Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Posts: 5,316Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by snapfusion
    For your sake I hope you never manage to find a F2P that you actually want to stick with.   Thats when you will wish it had a sub......

    That statement would only be accurate if the sub games were higher quality.  As history as shown, they aren't.

    Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  • WhiteLanternWhiteLantern Nevada, MOPosts: 2,732Member

    I've spent money on F2P games, and I have no problem doing it. Why? Becuase when I find a game I like, I feel compelled to support those who have gained my interest.

    But, I get to show that support on my terms, not theirs. I pay what I want, when I want. If they try to prevent my progress for not paying, guess what? I don't pay. I go away.

     

     

    I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,209Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by WhiteLantern

    I've spent money on F2P games, and I have no problem doing it. Why? Becuase when I find a game I like, I feel compelled to support those who have gained my interest.

    But, I get to show that support on my terms, not theirs. I pay what I want, when I want. If they try to prevent my progress for not paying, guess what? I don't pay. I go away.

    Exactly and well said.

  • FearumFearum Cinnaminson, NJPosts: 1,166Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by WhiteLantern

    I've spent money on F2P games, and I have no problem doing it. Why? Becuase when I find a game I like, I feel compelled to support those who have gained my interest.

    But, I get to show that support on my terms, not theirs. I pay what I want, when I want. If they try to prevent my progress for not paying, guess what? I don't pay. I go away.

    Exactly and well said.

    You can do the same exact thing with a P2P game except you actually get everything in the game. When you arent having fun anymore you cancel sub.

  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Posts: 5,316Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Fearum
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by WhiteLantern

    I've spent money on F2P games, and I have no problem doing it. Why? Becuase when I find a game I like, I feel compelled to support those who have gained my interest.

    But, I get to show that support on my terms, not theirs. I pay what I want, when I want. If they try to prevent my progress for not paying, guess what? I don't pay. I go away.

    Exactly and well said.

    You can do the same exact thing with a P2P game except you actually get everything in the game. When you arent having fun anymore you cancel sub.

    Just 2 things wrong with your statement.

    1.  I've allready paid for a month, true it isn't a lot by any means, but when comparing to other games of the same quality I have paid for a month, which is a waste if i didn't use it.

    2.  There are no more p2p games that don't have some kind of cash shop.  So a p2p only doesn't exist. 

    edit - and what torvaldr said below

    Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,209Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Fearum
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by WhiteLantern

    I've spent money on F2P games, and I have no problem doing it. Why? Becuase when I find a game I like, I feel compelled to support those who have gained my interest.

    But, I get to show that support on my terms, not theirs. I pay what I want, when I want. If they try to prevent my progress for not paying, guess what? I don't pay. I go away.

    Exactly and well said.

    You can do the same exact thing with a P2P game except you actually get everything in the game. When you arent having fun anymore you cancel sub.

    No, not really.

    When I pay for something in a F2P or B2P game I always have access to what I've spent money on.  In a P2P game if I stop paying them then all that I've spent so far is locked and inaccessible.

    In a sub free game I can pay when I want, how much I want, for what I want.  In a subscription game I must pay up front and a minimum fee ever recurring billing period.  I must also spend extra, in addition to my required minimum fee, on xpacs or I will be gated and excluded from the rest of the game.  So in addition to $120+ per year in sub fees I must also spend $40 - $60 on an xpac.  I don't get that for my sub fee.

    I also don't get everything in the game with my subscription.  In addition to the xpacs I mentioned there are also additional micro-transactions in the form of mounts, skins, charcter / guild renames, and other fees.  My sub doesn't cover any of that.

    The only game I've ever played where I got it all for the sub was Lineage.  That's no longer available in the West and that model has long since died.  They all sell extra for more.  Even EVE sells plex to supplement their revenue.

    I have yet to play a F2P or B2P game that cost me more annually than any of my old subscription games.

  • CelciusCelcius Franklin, TNPosts: 1,000Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by snapfusion
    For your sake I hope you never manage to find a F2P that you actually want to stick with.   Thats when you will wish it had a sub......

    Why? So you can pay 15$ a month to get less content then some  free to play games offer these days? (With the exception of Rift of coarse, that game is the only one that currently warrants a sub) 

    I would rather pay 15$ a month on stuff I actually want then pay 15$ a month and get nothing out of it.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
    Originally posted by nariusseldon

    My WOW annual pass is finally up. So i cancelled prompty. This will be my last sub game (MMO or otherwise).

    Not that i don't play F2P games before, but now .. it is all F2P for all the MMOs i will play.

    Looks like TSW may go F2P in the future too .. anyone want to venture a guess of when that will happen?

    It's allready gone f2p.  Just received an email from them.

    NICE! Thanks for the heads up .. will try tonight after work.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by snapfusion
    For your sake I hope you never manage to find a F2P that you actually want to stick with.   Thats when you will wish it had a sub......

    Why would i wish it had a sub? If it is fun enough to stick around, i would for free. And god forshake, i may change my mind and give them some money.

    The beauty of F2P is that a) its free, and b) if you want, you can decide to give them a little money .. completely optional.

    And if it is not fun enough this way, i won't want to stick around.

    So again, why would i wish it had a sub?

    And this is all hypothetical anyway .... the key is the actual game.

    Now the three games i am playing/plan to play ...

    1) PS2 .. F2P .. so far i am enjoying it without paying a cent. Sue me!

    2) TSW .. just learn it went F2P .. good news .. will try once i get off work and get home.

    3) Marvel Heroes .. already announced to be F2P.

  • JemcrystalJemcrystal Champaign, ILPosts: 1,552Member Uncommon
    Good for you!!!  I am also a free to play only gamer!  

  • CalmOceansCalmOceans BergenPosts: 2,273Member
    Originally posted by nariusseldon

    The beauty of F2P is that a) its free

    If F2P is free how come I need to pay money in Vindictus if I want outfits, high-end weaponry, pets, trinkets, healing potions?

    If F2P is free how come I need to pay money in Everquest to access half of the abilities, mercenaries, spells, all raid gear?

    The only real "free" F2P game I played was street gears, which isn't even around anymore.

  • Cephus404Cephus404 Redlands, CAPosts: 3,675Member
    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    Good luck on spending more on F2P to enjoy the game.

    Honestly, that's such a ridiculous thing to say.  In all of the F2P games I've ever played, I have never spent a penny on anything, I have never bought anything from a cash shop, and I never will.  I spend far less on F2P than I ever did on P2P.

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  • WhiteLanternWhiteLantern Nevada, MOPosts: 2,732Member
    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    Originally posted by nariusseldon

    The beauty of F2P is that a) its free

    If F2P is free how come I need to pay money in Vindictus if I want outfits, high-end weaponry, pets, trinkets, healing potions?

    If F2P is free how come I need to pay money in Everquest to access half of the abilities, mercenaries, spells, all raid gear?

    The only real "free" F2P game I played was street gears, which isn't even around anymore.

    Can you play those games without those items?

    I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    Originally posted by nariusseldon

    The beauty of F2P is that a) its free

    If F2P is free how come I need to pay money in Vindictus if I want outfits, high-end weaponry, pets, trinkets, healing potions?

    If F2P is free how come I need to pay money in Everquest to access half of the abilities, mercenaries, spells, raid gear?

    The only real "free" F2P game I played was street gears, which isn't even around anymore.

    The answer is simple.

    You don't "need" outfits, high-end weaponry, pets .... in vindictus. You may "want" them .. but certainly there is no need.

    You don't "need" half of the abiilities, mercenaries ... in EQ. You can still play teh game, can you?

    No one says everything is free .. merely you can play the game for free. If you have desires .. well ... that is your issue.

    Now that is theoretical. Personally i find that you can easily just hop to the next game before you need to pay .. or just gimp yourself a bit. Lots of games don't require you to pay to have fun.

    If having half of the abilities is fun ... do i really need to get the other half?

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Cephus404
    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    Good luck on spending more on F2P to enjoy the game.

    Honestly, that's such a ridiculous thing to say.  In all of the F2P games I've ever played, I have never spent a penny on anything, I have never bought anything from a cash shop, and I never will.  I spend far less on F2P than I ever did on P2P.

    Yeah .. it is ridiculous. It is actually quite well known that a majority of F2P players don't pay.

    In fact, if they don't believe that you can enjoy a F2P game without paying, it is their loss. it is not like i care if they play the game i play.

    I only care i can have fun, and have the bonus that it is free.

  • Cephus404Cephus404 Redlands, CAPosts: 3,675Member
    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    Originally posted by nariusseldon

    The beauty of F2P is that a) its free

    If F2P is free how come I need to pay money in Vindictus if I want outfits, high-end weaponry, pets, trinkets, healing potions?

    If F2P is free how come I need to pay money in Everquest to access half of the abilities, mercenaries, spells, all raid gear?

    The only real "free" F2P game I played was street gears, which isn't even around anymore.

    See, you're mistaking things that you "HAVE" to pay for with things you "WANT" to pay for.  Nobody is making you pay for any of those things, lots of people just play without.  You are making the decision to pay extra for those things.

    F2P doesn't seem to be for people who want to swing their e-peen or who lack self-control.

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  • CalmOceansCalmOceans BergenPosts: 2,273Member
    Originally posted by Cephus404
    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    Good luck on spending more on F2P to enjoy the game.

    Honestly, that's such a ridiculous thing to say.  In all of the F2P games I've ever played, I have never spent a penny on anything, I have never bought anything from a cash shop, and I never will.  I spend far less on F2P than I ever did on P2P.

    Good for you, you must never play any MMO longer than a few months.

    I can tell you that I played 3 F2P games for a long period of time.

    Games being:

     

    Everquest 1, unless you pay can not access:

    -most races

    -most classes

    -raid gear,

    -good mercenaries

    -RK 2, or 3 spells

    -most Alternative abilities

    -more than 6 backpacks

    -anything over a certain amount of money

    -most augmentations

     

    Vindictus, unless you pay you can not access:

    -high end enhanced gear unless you farm for a very long time

    -powerful healing potions

    -resurection tokens

    -all cosmetic items

    -badges with significant stat bonuses

    -backpack space

     

    The only exception, where paying was not needed to enjoy the full game, has been Street Gears, which doesn't exist anymore.

     

    So tell me again, how it feels, not spending a penny and being a second-rank citizen. In all except one F2P game, unless I spent money, I could not access a big part of the content, both because the content was behind paywalls, and because the power needed to access the content was restricted behind paywalls.

    "Free" in the word "free to play" is such a scam.

  • Cephus404Cephus404 Redlands, CAPosts: 3,675Member
    Originally posted by CalmOceans

    Good for you, you must never play any MMO longer than a few months.

    I can tell you that I played 3 F2P games for a long period of time.

    Games being:

     

    Everquest 1, unless you pay can not access:

    -most races

    -most classes

    -raid gear,

    -good mercenaries

    -RK 2, or 3 spells

    -most Alternative abilities

    -more than 6 backpacks

     

    Vindictus, unless you pay you can not access:

    -high end enhanced gear unless you farm for a very long time

    -powerful healing potions

    -resurection tokens

    -all cosmetic items

    -badges with significant stat bonuses

     

    The only exception, where paying was not needed to enjoy the full game, has been Street Gears, which doesn't exist anymore.

     

    So tell me again, how it feels, not spending a penny and being a second-rank citizen. In all except one F2P game, unless I spent money, I could not access a big part of the content, both because the content was behind paywalls, and because the power needed to access the content was restricted behind paywalls.

    "Free" in the word "free to play" is such a scam.

    Honestly, I haven't played a single MMO in about a year because none of them are any fun, but if I were to play something, it would be because it was fun, not because I'm a competition-crazed player.  I don't compete with anyone.  I don't care what anyone else has.  I play a game because it's enjoyable and I continue to play the game for as long as it remains enjoyable.  Unfortunately, I see a lot of people who aren't playing games to have a good time, they're doing it because they're madly competitiive and want to spend their time waving their pathetic little e-peen around in the air.

    That's absurd.  People who play that way are ridiculous.

    Free to play isn't a scam, the majority of people who play these games never pay a penny and they have fun doing it.  Will they ever be the best there is?  No, but they don't care!  If you do, then maybe you need to have a serious look at what you're doing and why.  I don't think the problem is with us.

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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus BaatorPosts: 1,113Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    Originally posted by Cephus404
    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    Good luck on spending more on F2P to enjoy the game.

    Honestly, that's such a ridiculous thing to say.  In all of the F2P games I've ever played, I have never spent a penny on anything, I have never bought anything from a cash shop, and I never will.  I spend far less on F2P than I ever did on P2P.

    Good for you, you must never play any MMO longer than a few months.

    I can tell you that I played 3 F2P games for a long period of time.

    Games being:

     

    Everquest 1, unless you pay can not access:

    -most races

    -most classes

    -raid gear,

    -good mercenaries

    -RK 2, or 3 spells

    -most Alternative abilities

    -more than 6 backpacks

    -anything over a certain amount of money

    -most augmentations

     

    Vindictus, unless you pay you can not access:

    -high end enhanced gear unless you farm for a very long time

    -powerful healing potions

    -resurection tokens

    -all cosmetic items

    -badges with significant stat bonuses

    -backpack space

     

    The only exception, where paying was not needed to enjoy the full game, has been Street Gears, which doesn't exist anymore.

     

    So tell me again, how it feels, not spending a penny and being a second-rank citizen. In all except one F2P game, unless I spent money, I could not access a big part of the content, both because the content was behind paywalls, and because the power needed to access the content was restricted behind paywalls.

    "Free" in the word "free to play" is such a scam.

    You've chosen 2 very crappy f2p games to compare lol

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  • CalmOceansCalmOceans BergenPosts: 2,273Member
    Originally posted by Cephus404

    Honestly, I haven't played a single MMO in about a year because none of them are any fun, but if I were to play something, it would be because it was fun, not because I'm a competition-crazed player.

    It has nothing to do with competition, the things in my list relate purely to content.

    If you as a player in Everquest, do not spend money to unlock your abilities, you are extremely limited in the amount of content you can do, half of the game is not accessible for anyone who doesn't unlock their AA, you will simply die non-stop.

    If you as a player in Vindictus, do not spend money, you will have a very hard time finding boats with people willing to group with you unless you are part of a guild that is willing to gimp you through for some reason, alternatively you can spend years wasting your time farming items.

    It is not even about compeition, the fact classes, gear, and power is locked behind a paywall, restricts the content that is accessible to you as a non-paying F2P player.

  • Asm0deusAsm0deus BaatorPosts: 1,113Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    Originally posted by Cephus404

    Honestly, I haven't played a single MMO in about a year because none of them are any fun, but if I were to play something, it would be because it was fun, not because I'm a competition-crazed player.

    It has nothing to do with competition, the things in my list relate purely to content.

    If you as a player in Everquest, do not spend money to unlock your abilities, you are extremely limited in the amount of content you can do.

    If you as a player in Vindictus, do not spend money, you will have a very hard time finding boats with people willing to group with you unless you are part of a guild that is willing to gimp you through for some reason.

    It is not even about compeition, the fact classes, gear, and power is locked behind a paywall, restricts the content that is accessible to you as a non-paying F2P player.

    Again these 2 game shave shitty cash shops, not all f2p games are like this. Some f2p are p2w and smart peeps just move on to another.

     

    SWtor is another game that doesn't have a damn clue how to do f2p properly. Also most f2p game will have a few options to unlock like bank/backpack space that will maybe cost you a few months subs worth of moeny and then your good to go and never spend another cent.

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  • rdrakkenrdrakken Gotham, FLPosts: 426Member

    TSW will not be going F2P, Funcom doesnt know how to do it, they are going to go and stay freemium no matter how poorly they do with it, just like with AO and AoC, they will look at a slight increase in revenue from what they already have as a win, and if it doesnt work, stay with it. They are not capable of learning, that is something they have shown for 10 years.

    Anyway, congrats on kicking the sub habit!

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