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  • Po_ggPo_gg Twigwarren, WestfarthingPosts: 2,717Member Uncommon

    I don't think it's referring even the Grandmaster pack, with Joel's doomsayer video and the " *Terms and condition" stuff I think it's simply means: pay once (buy the box with the 30 days included) and play forever, as in 12.12.21 since after that nobody will play :)

    (just a wild guess, I admit I didn't read through the terms&cond. page for changes, but honestly, they can put that one line anytime... in case of doomsday we hold the right to stop the service :) )

  • MargraveMargrave Knoxville, TNPosts: 633Member Uncommon
    I kind of hope it does go B2P like GW2. I would love that.
  • allendale5allendale5 kansas city, MOPosts: 124Member
    so at $200 for lifetime, that would be about 13 months (not counting multi-month discounts), so how many of us play a game for 13 months?  Might be a good idea for those that already love the game and know that they are going to play.  
  • MargraveMargrave Knoxville, TNPosts: 633Member Uncommon

    Currently I play GW2 a bunch and love it. I've even bought a few things from their cash shop. If TSW goes with that model, since I've already bought the box, I will play it once more; however, if they're wanting $200 dollars from me I will just continue to play other titles.

    Could just be me.

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,275Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Margrave
    I kind of hope it does go B2P like GW2. I would love that.

    The problem is B2P doesn't make any money as shown by the NCsoft qt report. A game with a much smaller sub base like B&S (I saw 285k mentioned in some professional analysis) or Aion will far out perform GW2 over the course of the year.

     

    Funcom needs to make money.  I think a drop the box cost and just charge a sub would be a better way to go for long term health.

  • ZzadZzad Palma de MallorcaPosts: 1,332Member Uncommon

    If it goes BTP...i´ll be definetly giving it a try!

    Played the beta and didn´t get hooked on it....so that change would be very appreciated^^

  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bcbully
    Originally posted by Margrave
    I kind of hope it does go B2P like GW2. I would love that.

    The problem is B2P doesn't make any money as shown by the NCsoft qt report. A game with a much smaller sub base like B&S (I saw 285k mentioned in some professional analysis) or Aion will far out perform GW2 over the course of the year.

     

    Funcom needs to make money.  I think a drop the box cost and just charge a sub would be a better way to go for long term health.

    Wow wait what now?! Were are you coming up with this?? Their performance was very good in their report. Talking about how will they perform over the course of a year can't really be talked about until.....a year has passed lol.

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  • botrytisbotrytis In Flux, MIPosts: 2,567Member
    Originally posted by bcbully
    Originally posted by Margrave
    I kind of hope it does go B2P like GW2. I would love that.

    The problem is B2P doesn't make any money as shown by the NCsoft qt report. A game with a much smaller sub base like B&S (I saw 285k mentioned in some professional analysis) or Aion will far out perform GW2 over the course of the year.

     

    Funcom needs to make money.  I think a drop the box cost and just charge a sub would be a better way to go for long term health.

    Actually the NCSoft 3rd quarter report was already dissected - for ONE MONTH - GW2 MADE 27% of the profit for NCSoft for the WHOLE 3RD QUARTER. B&S made more -29% and that was for 3 months with sub.

     

    Back OT, I think it is a little False advert, but it would be B2P then.

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  • killion81killion81 A City, MIPosts: 985Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by botrytis
    Originally posted by bcbully
    Originally posted by Margrave
    I kind of hope it does go B2P like GW2. I would love that.

    The problem is B2P doesn't make any money as shown by the NCsoft qt report. A game with a much smaller sub base like B&S (I saw 285k mentioned in some professional analysis) or Aion will far out perform GW2 over the course of the year.

     

    Funcom needs to make money.  I think a drop the box cost and just charge a sub would be a better way to go for long term health.

    Actually the NCSoft 3rd quarter report was already dissected - for ONE MONTH - GW2 MADE 27% of the profit for NCSoft for the WHOLE 3RD QUARTER. B&S made more -29% and that was for 3 months with sub.

     

    Back OT, I think it is a little False advert, but it would be B2P then.

     

    B2P doesn't continually generate revenue is what should have been said.  GW2 had a great first month that included all preorders and initial sales.  I would not expect any other month to come even close to that.  Funcom does not need a one time injection of money burdened with continual costs.

  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by killion81
    Originally posted by botrytis
    Originally posted by bcbully
    Originally posted by Margrave
    I kind of hope it does go B2P like GW2. I would love that.

    The problem is B2P doesn't make any money as shown by the NCsoft qt report. A game with a much smaller sub base like B&S (I saw 285k mentioned in some professional analysis) or Aion will far out perform GW2 over the course of the year.

     

    Funcom needs to make money.  I think a drop the box cost and just charge a sub would be a better way to go for long term health.

    Actually the NCSoft 3rd quarter report was already dissected - for ONE MONTH - GW2 MADE 27% of the profit for NCSoft for the WHOLE 3RD QUARTER. B&S made more -29% and that was for 3 months with sub.

     

    Back OT, I think it is a little False advert, but it would be B2P then.

     

    B2P doesn't continually generate revenue is what should have been said.  GW2 had a great first month that included all preorders and initial sales.  I would not expect any other month to come even close to that.  Funcom does not need a one time injection of money burdened with continual costs.

    GW2 relies on the CS and expasions for their revenue. That first quarter was definately good sales more than anything, we would have to wait for further reports to see how well the model can do.

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  • PurutzilPurutzil East Stroudsburg, PAPosts: 2,924Member Uncommon
    Probably to cover there asses, since people will go "I paid for 1 month i get it free forever now!" and try to sue them for it.
  • RyowulfRyowulf Greensburg, PAPosts: 668Member
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    Originally posted by bcbully
    Originally posted by Margrave
    I kind of hope it does go B2P like GW2. I would love that.

    The problem is B2P doesn't make any money as shown by the NCsoft qt report. A game with a much smaller sub base like B&S (I saw 285k mentioned in some professional analysis) or Aion will far out perform GW2 over the course of the year.

     

    Funcom needs to make money.  I think a drop the box cost and just charge a sub would be a better way to go for long term health.

    Wow wait what now?! Were are you coming up with this?? Their performance was very good in their report. Talking about how will they perform over the course of a year can't really be talked about until.....a year has passed lol.

    The haters don't reply on the truth.  Good news is bad and bad news is worse.

  • GR3NDELGR3NDEL Tulsa, OKPosts: 108Member Uncommon

    I think it's interesting to speculate about what the advert might mean - since it popped up just as the new ARG got underway, I have no doubt that it's connected.

    However, we won't know for sure until more information is released so... /shrug

    Personally, I think speculating about the new ARG is much more satisfying than wondering about the business model... I mean, hasn't that horse been ground to glue by now anyway?

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  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member

    From Massively.com, the Creative Director is starting rumors about getting rid of the game's subscription.

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/12/10/the-secret-worlds-dev-video-blog-begins-end-of-days-chronicle/

    That's probably what is means, except they started a little too early on the advertisements.

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  • DSWBeefDSWBeef phoenix, AZPosts: 791Member
    FC is obviously poking fun at all the people saying the game is gonna go F2P in the end. The rumor which IMO is the most believeable is that they are gonna open the game up for entirely free from 12/12/12 to 12/21/12. A end of days welcome old and new players event if you will.

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  • RyowulfRyowulf Greensburg, PAPosts: 668Member

    Isn't this a no win for FC?  If they go ftp then they risk upsetting thier loyal player base.

    If its just a troll.  An inside joke (everyone said were would go ftp).  If people start to really believe it's going ftp and get tricked there could be a backlash.  And of course if later it really does go ftp then FC looks stupid, because for sure people will rub this joke in their face.

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by Ryowulf
    Isn't this a no win for FC?  If they go ftp then they risk upsetting thier loyal player base.If its just a troll.  An inside joke (everyone said were would go ftp).  If people start to really believe it's going ftp and get tricked there could be a backlash.  And of course if later it really does go ftp then FC looks stupid, because for sure people will rub this joke in their face.

    If they remove the subscription, but keep the box, and give existing players some benefits, it's win/win. Existing players no longer need to pay a sub to play the game they like, and new players are more likely to join the game because they don't have to pay a subscription. New players will make the game feel more lively, add more people to groups, etc.

    I don't know if the game will make more money that way, but they will add more people.

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  • SeariasSearias Edmonton, ABPosts: 712Member Uncommon
    It's probably just free to play until the end of 21st of December, but who knows. I guess the only thing we can do is wait for an official announcement.

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  • DanderXDanderX Miami, FLPosts: 15Member

    Simply put: Funcom are jokers.

  • SiugSiug TallinnPosts: 1,236Member Uncommon
    Hope they introduce f2p for the first zone on Solomon Island or something with access to Polaris dungeon. If people don't like TSW by the end of going though that zone they probably never will. On the other hand many can at least check the game out by themselves and not rely on biased opinions on both sides.
  • KenzeKenze Posts: 1,214Member Uncommon

    games is going B2P w/ sub and cash shop DLC options
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    i guess some of us were right.

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  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by Kenze
    games is going B2P w/ sub and cash shop DLC options
    LINKi guess some of us were right.


    There is a lot more content available without a subscription compared to SWToR. The game is essentially B2P with a cash shop. I think this is actually a better option than going with a full on F2P where you don't pay for the box. They'll still derive income from all new players, and there's incentive to stick around in the game because it doesn't cost you anything to play.

    I think they should have gone B2P sooner, but not bad.

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  • MrJones77MrJones77 Dayton, OHPosts: 17Member
    I think I am going to jump into this game now. Now I can play TSW and GW2 guilt free.
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