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  • tom_goretom_gore TamperePosts: 1,796Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by tom_gore

    You would be surprised how many people do. And it's burning them out, especially if they aim to do that early on into the game.

     

    "It's genious! I'll buy one month sub and within those 30 days I'll earn money enough for a PLEX. Genious!"

    And we all know how well that's going to work.

     

     


     

    Long ago, I have posted a fresh trial character making about 1B within 24 hours of creation.

    Never underestimate EVE and creative minds.

    I would attribute this more to utter stupidity, because without idiots, there wouldn't be any scammers. But of course the scammers want to take pride in being smarted than the shoebox on the receiving end of their scams.

     

     

  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,860Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by tom_gore

    I would attribute this more to utter stupidity, because without idiots, there wouldn't be any scammers. But of course the scammers want to take pride in being smarted than the shoebox on the receiving end of their scams.

    Even scamming requires to be creative and have some "skill" regardless your effort of playing it down...however, the ISK were not acquired through any scam, theft or any similar activity.

  • tom_goretom_gore TamperePosts: 1,796Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by tom_gore

    I would attribute this more to utter stupidity, because without idiots, there wouldn't be any scammers. But of course the scammers want to take pride in being smarted than the shoebox on the receiving end of their scams.

     

     

     


     

    Even scamming requires to be creative and have some "skill" regardless your effort of playing it down...however, the ISK were not acquired through any scam, theft or any similar activity.

    Ok now you got me interested. Praytell how you acquire one billion ISK in 24 hours with a fresh charater without scamming or exploiting?

  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,860Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by tom_goreOk now you got me interested. Praytell how you acquire one billion ISK in 24 hours with a fresh charater without scamming or exploiting?

    There are quite a few methods. This particular case was exploiting knowledge of NPC spawning mechanics and faction loot.

  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,205Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by tom_gore

     

    Ok now you got me interested. Praytell how you acquire one billion ISK in 24 hours with a fresh charater without scamming or exploiting?


     

    There are quite a few methods. This particular case was exploiting knowledge of NPC spawning mechanics and faction loot.

    or looking at contract - market discrepancies for super-tiny items like killbooks and blueprints.

     

    a ratting rig blueprint that requires a lot of armor plates will be worth virtually nothing in North but be priceless in South.

     

    you'd be surprised what value one can fit inside a shuttle and ferry across region borders.

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  • tom_goretom_gore TamperePosts: 1,796Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by tom_gore

     

    Ok now you got me interested. Praytell how you acquire one billion ISK in 24 hours with a fresh charater without scamming or exploiting?

     


     

    There are quite a few methods. This particular case was exploiting knowledge of NPC spawning mechanics and faction loot.

    So it was an exploit, one that's probably plugged by now. Kudos to you for finding that exploit and reporting it, but it doesn't change the fact that by legitimate means it's not really possible to pay for your sub with PLEX within the first month, unless you dedicate your whole playing time to it.

     

  • tom_goretom_gore TamperePosts: 1,796Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Robokapp
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by tom_gore

     

    Ok now you got me interested. Praytell how you acquire one billion ISK in 24 hours with a fresh charater without scamming or exploiting?


     

    There are quite a few methods. This particular case was exploiting knowledge of NPC spawning mechanics and faction loot.

    or looking at contract - market discrepancies for super-tiny items like killbooks and blueprints.

     

    a ratting rig blueprint that requires a lot of armor plates will be worth virtually nothing in North but be priceless in South.

     

    you'd be surprised what value one can fit inside a shuttle and ferry across region borders.

    This is of course legit, but requires knowledge of market prices and finding un-camped routes across the galaxy. Both which are generally unavailable for new players.

     

  • ElsaboltsElsabolts Greencastle, INPosts: 2,594Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by tom_gore
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by tom_gore

     

    Ok now you got me interested. Praytell how you acquire one billion ISK in 24 hours with a fresh charater without scamming or exploiting?

     


     

    There are quite a few methods. This particular case was exploiting knowledge of NPC spawning mechanics and faction loot.

    So it was an exploit, one that's probably plugged by now. Kudos to you for finding that exploit and reporting it, but it doesn't change the fact that by legitimate means it's not really possible to pay for your sub with PLEX within the first month, unless you dedicate your whole playing time to it.

     

    You will help others who have been there longer pay for there game time.

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  • tom_goretom_gore TamperePosts: 1,796Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Elsabolts
    Originally posted by tom_gore
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by tom_gore

     

    Ok now you got me interested. Praytell how you acquire one billion ISK in 24 hours with a fresh charater without scamming or exploiting?

     


     

    There are quite a few methods. This particular case was exploiting knowledge of NPC spawning mechanics and faction loot.

    So it was an exploit, one that's probably plugged by now. Kudos to you for finding that exploit and reporting it, but it doesn't change the fact that by legitimate means it's not really possible to pay for your sub with PLEX within the first month, unless you dedicate your whole playing time to it.

     

    You will help others who have been there longer pay for there game time.

     

    I'm sorry was there a point to your post?

  • ElsaboltsElsabolts Greencastle, INPosts: 2,594Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by tom_gore
    Originally posted by Elsabolts
    Originally posted by tom_gore
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by tom_gore

     

    Ok now you got me interested. Praytell how you acquire one billion ISK in 24 hours with a fresh charater without scamming or exploiting?

     


     

    There are quite a few methods. This particular case was exploiting knowledge of NPC spawning mechanics and faction loot.

    So it was an exploit, one that's probably plugged by now. Kudos to you for finding that exploit and reporting it, but it doesn't change the fact that by legitimate means it's not really possible to pay for your sub with PLEX within the first month, unless you dedicate your whole playing time to it.

     

    You will help others who have been there longer pay for there game time.

     

    I'm sorry was there a point to your post?

    Yes the point is you will never catch up to the folks who have been there alot longer and there is no magic bullet to make you revelent to most long term players.

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  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,860Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by tom_goreSo it was an exploit, one that's probably plugged by now. Kudos to you for finding that exploit and reporting it, but it doesn't change the fact that by legitimate means it's not really possible to pay for your sub with PLEX within the first month, unless you dedicate your whole playing time to it. 

    I do not see what made you think it was an exploit... It was and still is very legitimate way of making ISK.

    There are exploration guides that takes you step by step how to make ISK for PLEX within 14 days or so. There are plenty of ways for trial characters or just new characters to earn ISK for their PLEX.

  • TorgrimTorgrim GothenburgPosts: 2,088Member

    I have played EVE on and off since May 2003, now when I have a son I don't really have the time to play it the way I used to play it.

    EVE has come a long way since I started, from a bug ridden hellhole with little gameplay to speak off (you could basicly only mine and pvp, 0.0 space were closed off, trading was pointless, missions were boring) now EVE is a full fledge living and breathing universe with plenty of things you can do.

    If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  • tom_goretom_gore TamperePosts: 1,796Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by tom_gore

     

    So it was an exploit, one that's probably plugged by now. Kudos to you for finding that exploit and reporting it, but it doesn't change the fact that by legitimate means it's not really possible to pay for your sub with PLEX within the first month, unless you dedicate your whole playing time to it.

     

     


     

    I do not see what made you think it was an exploit... It was and still is very legitimate way of making ISK.

    There are exploration guides that takes you step by step how to make ISK for PLEX within 14 days or so. There are plenty of ways for trial characters or just new characters to earn ISK for their PLEX.

    "There are..."

    "There are..."

    Links or I call BS. Also, there are 322 EVE hours in 14 days. Anyone could make enough ISK to buy a PLEX in 322 hours.

     

  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,860Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by tom_gore"There are...""There are..."Links or I call BS. Also, there are 322 EVE hours in 14 days. Anyone could make enough ISK to buy a PLEX in 322 hours. 

    http://explorationalmanac.blogspot.cz/2010/06/preface.html

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/view/forums/post/3969677#3969677

    The only limitation in EVE is yourself...

  • vonryan123vonryan123 Not home, MIPosts: 151Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by tom_gore

     

    "There are..."

    "There are..."

    Links or I call BS. Also, there are 322 EVE hours in 14 days. Anyone could make enough ISK to buy a PLEX in 322 hours.

     


     

    http://explorationalmanac.blogspot.cz/2010/06/preface.html

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/view/forums/post/3969677#3969677

    The only limitation in EVE is yourself...

    this is so true you can make millions. Not to mention if your only reason to play eve is to play for free quit now you wont make it far. Or if you think in 14/30 days you will own the universe. Eve is not ment to have a "end" and it doesnt really unless you set a end goal. It's not a grind to max level and get the best gear in 30 days. If you walk into eve with the freebie gimmie gimmie attitude you will be let down. If you walk into eve with a determind set of goals you can and will reach them. It's not for the faint of heart and never will be thank the gamer gods for that at least

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  • RealPvPisFPSRealPvPisFPS St.Louis, MOPosts: 42Member

    I tried this game twice and here is what EVE is in a nutshell:

    Good graphics, good concept and extremely piss poor user interface and controls.

     

    This game could easily be the number one mmo out there if the devs would make a useable interface and revamp the keyboard controls. As it is these two factors killed EVE . If that is overhauled instead of WoW being at the top EVE would be at the top.

  • TorgrimTorgrim GothenburgPosts: 2,088Member
    Originally posted by RealPvPisFPS

    I tried this game twice and here is what EVE is in a nutshell:

    Good graphics, good concept and extremely piss poor user interface and controls.

     

    This game could easily be the number one mmo out there if the devs would make a useable interface and revamp the keyboard controls. As it is these two factors killed EVE . If that is overhauled instead of WoW being at the top EVE would be at the top.

     

    That's your opinion mines differ, I have no problem with the interface or keyboard controls.

    If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,860Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by RealPvPisFPS

    extremely piss poor user interface and controls. 

    Can you elaborate on that one?

  • TorgrimTorgrim GothenburgPosts: 2,088Member
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by RealPvPisFPS

    extremely piss poor user interface and controls.

     

     


     

    Can you elaborate on that one?

     

    I think he entered market button and didnt understand it.

    If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  • RocketeerRocketeer NachrodtPosts: 1,304Member
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by RealPvPisFPS

    extremely piss poor user interface and controls.

     

     


     

    Can you elaborate on that one?

    One dev summed it up somewhat like this once:

    We have situations where you are required to rightclick an object in space, go down a context menu, have a submenue pop out and click something there ... During intense pvp combat, under fire, and while coordinating with other players in voicechat.

    Prime examples are "Warp to P3M12 at 40" or trying to orbit another player at something besides your preset range. Lots of menues and submenues inside of them, thats EvE. I heard a usability designer once had a stroke after trying out EvE, true story.

     

  • RydesonRydeson Canton, OHPosts: 3,858Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by RealPvPisFPS

    I tried this game twice and here is what EVE is in a nutshell:

    Good graphics, good concept and extremely piss poor user interface and controls.

     

    This game could easily be the number one mmo out there if the devs would make a useable interface and revamp the keyboard controls. As it is these two factors killed EVE . If that is overhauled instead of WoW being at the top EVE would be at the top.

         I agree.. I'm not happy either with some of the UI and controls..  I'll let slide that the ships auto-fly, but not happy that I have to click what actions I want to take with a mouse..  Finding my mouse pointer, then moving it to the correct area on the screen to click what action I want to take can be annoying..  I'd rather just have HOTKEYS to do that..  It's a shame that when you are in fitting you can't select what hotkeys you want to assign to an action such as 125mm gatling, or mining laser..

         Also I find the "browse" feature in the Market confusing..  Maybe I just havent' run across it, but when I'm searching for different type of shields or weapons to buy, there is no clear easy way of doing it..  Call me lazy, but I've become accustomed to searching for specifics in the Market..  EVE's market search engine assumes you know the names of what you're searching for.. and if you don't.. good luck in finding it.. lol

  • NetSageNetSage Lake Geneva, WIPosts: 1,040Member Uncommon

    There is a search option on the market....

     

    If you're looking for something has to do with shields just search shield and you'll probably find it quickly.

  • RocketeerRocketeer NachrodtPosts: 1,304Member
    Originally posted by Rydeson
    Originally posted by RealPvPisFPS

    I tried this game twice and here is what EVE is in a nutshell:

    Good graphics, good concept and extremely piss poor user interface and controls.

     

    This game could easily be the number one mmo out there if the devs would make a useable interface and revamp the keyboard controls. As it is these two factors killed EVE . If that is overhauled instead of WoW being at the top EVE would be at the top.

         I agree.. I'm not happy either with some of the UI and controls..  I'll let slide that the ships auto-fly, but not happy that I have to click what actions I want to take with a mouse..  Finding my mouse pointer, then moving it to the correct area on the screen to click what action I want to take can be annoying..  I'd rather just have HOTKEYS to do that..  It's a shame that when you are in fitting you can't select what hotkeys you want to assign to an action such as 125mm gatling, or mining laser..

         Also I find the "browse" feature in the Market confusing..  Maybe I just havent' run across it, but when I'm searching for different type of shields or weapons to buy, there is no clear easy way of doing it..  Call me lazy, but I've become accustomed to searching for specifics in the Market..  EVE's market search engine assumes you know the names of what you're searching for.. and if you don't.. good luck in finding it.. lol

    Woah steady there, i have always used hotkeys for my module activations(125mm yes, mining laser not so much). You sure you don't mean something else?

  • tom_goretom_gore TamperePosts: 1,796Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by tom_gore

     

    "There are..."

    "There are..."

    Links or I call BS. Also, there are 322 EVE hours in 14 days. Anyone could make enough ISK to buy a PLEX in 322 hours.

     

     


     

    http://explorationalmanac.blogspot.cz/2010/06/preface.html

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/view/forums/post/3969677#3969677

    The only limitation in EVE is yourself...

     

    Don't know how much has changed, but you're not going to run any DED complexes with faction loot in a frig anymore. Not a chance. Not even before the retribution AI changes and even less after that. Sorry.

    Scanning down just radar sites is possible, but those also seem to be quite rare these days.

    Sure I can make an easy 20-30M a day in my heron scanning down radar sites, but that would mean I would be doing NOTHING but scanning down radar sites for the whole month to get a PLEX.

    But since you seem so confident it can be done, I challenge you to do it again, today, in Retribution.

    I can even send you a buddy invite so you have 21 days to collect your first PLEX.

     

  • tom_goretom_gore TamperePosts: 1,796Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Elsabolts
    Originally posted by tom_gore
    Originally posted by Elsabolts
    Originally posted by tom_gore
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by tom_gore

     

    Ok now you got me interested. Praytell how you acquire one billion ISK in 24 hours with a fresh charater without scamming or exploiting?

     


     

    There are quite a few methods. This particular case was exploiting knowledge of NPC spawning mechanics and faction loot.

    So it was an exploit, one that's probably plugged by now. Kudos to you for finding that exploit and reporting it, but it doesn't change the fact that by legitimate means it's not really possible to pay for your sub with PLEX within the first month, unless you dedicate your whole playing time to it.

     

    You will help others who have been there longer pay for there game time.

     

    I'm sorry was there a point to your post?

    Yes the point is you will never catch up to the folks who have been there alot longer and there is no magic bullet to make you revelent to most long term players.

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    Yes, and...?

    You see the thing is, I don't give a shit. I play the game, I enjoy it. I COULD of course instead sit in the Jita station and complain all day how everyone else has more ISK and skillpoints than I do, but I just don't find that FUN.

    Do you?

     

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