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GW2 will be the big e-sport of 2013

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  • evilastroevilastro EdinburghPosts: 4,270Member
    Originally posted by cronius77
    i would seriously love to see how they can take probably one of the worst scanario based pvp systems out on the market today and turn it into Esports. Random teams even if you are in a group and bland scanarios with no point to pvp just ninja capping. I seriously do not understand the hype behind this title , their pvp is a step backwards not forward. I could even see Rift pvp being a better Esport than this . Please someone explain to me how this game could ever be esport as i would love to know because i love pvp.

    Teams aren't random....

    Sounds like you were joining... wait for it.... random PvP!

    You know there is a Tournament NPC for doing PvP with an existing group setup right? You can even go with half a group and it will fill in the blanks.  

  • FromHellFromHell NY, NYPosts: 1,311Member
    Originally posted by Purutzil
    Originally posted by Greyhooff

     

    Except for this of course, taken last night

     

    Some people are starting to sound like EQ players when WoW came out.

    Time to face it, GW2 is doing very well.

    Yeah... provide the text saying "Full' on a value that can be set to anything you want really shows the game is doing 'well'. I doubt its failing horribly but when you put pictures up showing a game is doing good showing population listed by text that can be determined anyway the game design wants, you show you have no clue at all about what your talking about.

     

    Heck, my game right now is full. I'd list at full right now. I'm only playing a single player game but heck I consider 1 player to be full so thats what it will be!

     

    No, I doubt GW2 is going through a mass extinction but no, posting stupid picture like that as 'proof' it isn't is just as stupid.

    Interesting.. If I ever create a MMO, I'll set my server lists all to "full" by default without giving any numbers.

    People seem to believe a lot when it's presented in list form ;)

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  • hikaru77hikaru77 buenos airesPosts: 1,036Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by FromHell
    Originally posted by Purutzil
    Originally posted by Greyhooff

     

    Except for this of course, taken last night

     

    Some people are starting to sound like EQ players when WoW came out.

    Time to face it, GW2 is doing very well.

    Yeah... provide the text saying "Full' on a value that can be set to anything you want really shows the game is doing 'well'. I doubt its failing horribly but when you put pictures up showing a game is doing good showing population listed by text that can be determined anyway the game design wants, you show you have no clue at all about what your talking about.

     

    Heck, my game right now is full. I'd list at full right now. I'm only playing a single player game but heck I consider 1 player to be full so thats what it will be!

     

    No, I doubt GW2 is going through a mass extinction but no, posting stupid picture like that as 'proof' it isn't is just as stupid.

    Interesting.. If I ever create a MMO, I'll set my server lists all to "full" by default without giving any numbers.

    People seem to believe a lot when it's presented in list form ;)

    Full server in GW2 mean nothing, my server is full 24/7, but you can find less than 10 players in the myst and just 4 or 5 Spvp games running. 

  • stygianapothstygianapoth Oakwood, GAPosts: 185Member Uncommon
    gw2 doesn't have any ranks or ladders, how on earth could it become an "esport"
  • CelciusCelcius Posts: 1,047Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by fat_taddler
    Originally posted by Greyhooff

    If this open, unscripted discussion with the developers is anything to go by:

    GW2 is set for huge e-sport success.

    They are very clear that they are not rushing it, but the announced balance changes, the pacing of changes, the way they are approaching their PVP game is fantastic.

    I also LOVED the fact that this guy says clearly that some noobs just need to L2P. That kind of frankness only comes from someone who plays the game extensively himself, a developer who is also a competitive player = awesome.

    No bullcrap, no marketing spin, just a skilled PVP developer with opinions and ideas who is open about discussing with the players.

    You can tell this guy really cares about balance and competitive gaming above all, and that's exactly what you want.

    Let's face it, PVP in other MMOs like SWTOR, WoW, Aion, AOC, etc is a joke. No one takes it seriously, and no MMO has e-sport PVP. It's too unbalanced.

    GW2 has a very good chance at it because it's already the most balanced MMO, and about to become even more balanced in every little detail.

    I think that with the mindset displayed in the video, they might have the biggest esport game of 2013. 

    Anyway, just watch it in full and make up your own mind.

    Blizzard just had their WoW Arena World Championships a couple of weeks ago.  It had Arena teams from all over the world going head to head for an entire weekend.   Not sure where you're getting your facts from.

     

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/7831336/The_Battlenet_World_Championship_has_Concluded_VODs_Inside-11_17_2012

    Thats generally what happens when you fund your own tournaments. It does not mean WoW Arena is an e-sport. This is a Blizzard sponsored tournament, this isn't MLG or anything like that. Infact...weren't they kicked out of the MLG? Lol. WoW does not and will not support E-Sports. A developer even said recently that the goal with the game's pvp balance is focused  around skilll AND gear. This is not something that a good E-sport has. A good E-Sport would be based on skill alone. (Balance aside, of coarse) 

  • TheHavokTheHavok San Jose, CAPosts: 2,403Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Celcius
    Originally posted by fat_taddler
    Originally posted by Greyhooff

    If this open, unscripted discussion with the developers is anything to go by:

    GW2 is set for huge e-sport success.

    They are very clear that they are not rushing it, but the announced balance changes, the pacing of changes, the way they are approaching their PVP game is fantastic.

    I also LOVED the fact that this guy says clearly that some noobs just need to L2P. That kind of frankness only comes from someone who plays the game extensively himself, a developer who is also a competitive player = awesome.

    No bullcrap, no marketing spin, just a skilled PVP developer with opinions and ideas who is open about discussing with the players.

    You can tell this guy really cares about balance and competitive gaming above all, and that's exactly what you want.

    Let's face it, PVP in other MMOs like SWTOR, WoW, Aion, AOC, etc is a joke. No one takes it seriously, and no MMO has e-sport PVP. It's too unbalanced.

    GW2 has a very good chance at it because it's already the most balanced MMO, and about to become even more balanced in every little detail.

    I think that with the mindset displayed in the video, they might have the biggest esport game of 2013. 

    Anyway, just watch it in full and make up your own mind.

    Blizzard just had their WoW Arena World Championships a couple of weeks ago.  It had Arena teams from all over the world going head to head for an entire weekend.   Not sure where you're getting your facts from.

     

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/7831336/The_Battlenet_World_Championship_has_Concluded_VODs_Inside-11_17_2012

    Thats generally what happens when you fund your own tournaments. It does not mean WoW Arena is an e-sport. This is a Blizzard sponsored tournament, this isn't MLG or anything like that. Infact...weren't they kicked out of the MLG? Lol. WoW does not and will not support E-Sports. A developer even said recently that the goal with the game's pvp balance is focused  around skilll AND gear. This is not something that a good E-sport has. A good E-Sport would be based on skill alone. (Balance aside, of coarse) 

    WoW has the arena tournament.  The arena tournament is the method used to determine the best teams in each region.  This is a different system then what MLG and ESL used when picking teams as they would mostly just look at ratings from the WoW's live server. 

    The arena tournament is similar to GW2's heart of the Mist where players have access to all gear available ingame along with pets.  The only exception is if Blizzard removes certain pve itemsdue to them being too powerful in a pvp setting.  Gear imbalances have only been an issue to the casual pvper playing on live - and even then they can make up the difference after a few weeks of honor and conquest grinding.

    Additionally, Evil Geniuses still supports a WoW arena team (not really sure why): Talbadar, Cdew, and Azael.

    But regardless, what really determines a game's e-sport viability is how popular it is.  GW2's SPvP scene is sinking.  Just read the official forums and see the complaints from the top players and teams.  Sure, they will act polite infront of the developers, but they voice their complaints freely on the forums and on their streams.

  • BookahBookah Bar Harbor, MEPosts: 256Member Uncommon

    Let's face it, PVP in other MMOs like SWTOR, WoW, Aion, AOC, etc is a joke. No one takes it seriously, and no MMO has e-sport PVP. It's too unbalanced.

    Blizzard just had their WoW Arena World Championships a couple of weeks ago.  It had Arena teams from all over the world going head to head for an entire weekend.   Not sure where you're getting your facts from.

     

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/7831336/The_Battlenet_World_Championship_has_Concluded_VODs_Inside-11_17_2012

    Yeah turns out a whole lot of people take it very seriously. In fact i doubt GW2 will ever have a competition that rivals Battlenet.

    ArenA teams in WOW are ranked and face off in finals hosted around the world with the winning team taking over 125k grand prize. Jeez mmo 101

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  • TheHavokTheHavok San Jose, CAPosts: 2,403Member Uncommon

    Volume I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPEbzNl_mDE&list=UL
    Volume II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poltQGmLu5M
    Volume III: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iK-QnDSKys

    And thats just for the Ranger profession.  All professions have bugs to their basic mechanics that have been reported on the forums.  GW2 has a looooong way to go before its E-sport viable.  Even then, I doubt it has a large enough dedicated pvp community interested in watching and supporting it.

  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by hikaru77
    Originally posted by FromHell
    Originally posted by Purutzil
    Originally posted by Greyhooff

     

    Except for this of course, taken last night

     

    Some people are starting to sound like EQ players when WoW came out.

    Time to face it, GW2 is doing very well.

    Yeah... provide the text saying "Full' on a value that can be set to anything you want really shows the game is doing 'well'. I doubt its failing horribly but when you put pictures up showing a game is doing good showing population listed by text that can be determined anyway the game design wants, you show you have no clue at all about what your talking about.

     

    Heck, my game right now is full. I'd list at full right now. I'm only playing a single player game but heck I consider 1 player to be full so thats what it will be!

     

    No, I doubt GW2 is going through a mass extinction but no, posting stupid picture like that as 'proof' it isn't is just as stupid.

    Interesting.. If I ever create a MMO, I'll set my server lists all to "full" by default without giving any numbers.

    People seem to believe a lot when it's presented in list form ;)

    Full server in GW2 mean nothing, my server is full 24/7, but you can find less than 10 players in the myst and just 4 or 5 Spvp games running. 

    It's pretty easy to catch a lie..spvp is shared across all servers. There is always, except for when they reset the servers, way more than 4 or 5 games running.

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  • HorrorScopeHorrorScope Norcal, CAPosts: 599Member Uncommon
    I'll make an e-wager with someone that this will not become any kind of major e-sport. It's way too much jack of all trades game and it came out of the gate way to weak for this and won't recover.
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  • LachyFTWLachyFTW Miami, FLPosts: 181Member Uncommon
    Not a chance, sorry.
  • GreyhooffGreyhooff New York, NYPosts: 654Member
    Originally posted by Bookah

    Let's face it, PVP in other MMOs like SWTOR, WoW, Aion, AOC, etc is a joke. No one takes it seriously, and no MMO has e-sport PVP. It's too unbalanced.

    Blizzard just had their WoW Arena World Championships a couple of weeks ago.  It had Arena teams from all over the world going head to head for an entire weekend.   Not sure where you're getting your facts from.

     

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/7831336/The_Battlenet_World_Championship_has_Concluded_VODs_Inside-11_17_2012

    Yeah turns out a whole lot of people take it very seriously. In fact i doubt GW2 will ever have a competition that rivals Battlenet.

    ArenA teams in WOW are ranked and face off in finals hosted around the world with the winning team taking over 125k grand prize. Jeez mmo 101

     

    Sorry but anyone who thinks WoW is even capable of being e-sport viable is a joke.

    E-sport players are professionals and laugh at WoW players like Azael and Cdew, who are more $1 e-beggars on twitch than they are e-sports pros.

    You would know this if you had any clue of what real e-sports is.

    Arena isn't it, it's ridiculously unbalanced (think of the class balance jerks on warriors in wotlk, cata and mop), the meta is constantly swinging 180 degrees and arena itself an old boring pillar-humping formula that no one cares about outside of WoW no-lifers.

    On top of that, you need to grind to level XX and grind gear to even play, which makes the competitive pool tiny compared to real esports where skill is the determining factor, not subscription fees, gear-grinding and time spent. The top of ladders in wow are infested with win-traders and exploiters, and even legit players have to deal with massive class balance swings every few months. It's a joke.

    GW2 is not there yet on e-sports. It needs more viewers on twitch, it needs competitive ladders, spectator mode, etc. We all know this.

    But because balance is a priority and GW2 is already the most balanced MMO out there (every class is viable in top end tPVP, yes even rangers, and its overall meta puts games like SWTOR and WoW to shame) it has a great chance to get there, and the video shows the correct attitude and priorities in careful balancing and esports feature additions to get there.

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  • dimnikardimnikar ZanistanvillePosts: 271Member

    Haha, not only will it not be the biggest e-sport in 2013 (bigger than LOL, SC2, etc, haha), but it won't even be an e-sport.

     

    Shitty games don't get to be e-sports, especially on PC.

  • KyleranKyleran Paradise City, FLPosts: 21,956Member Epic
    If you are watching other people playing games instead of playing them yourselves you are doing it wrong.

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  • FreezzoFreezzo EnschedePosts: 235Member
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    If you are watching other people playing games instead of playing them yourselves you are doing it wrong.

    It's the same with watching sports? Hence the term e-sports? O_o

    [mod edit]

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  • IPolygonIPolygon ViennaPosts: 707Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Kuppa

    Originally posted by IPolygon
    Actions first, talk later. GW1 started with more pvp features (ladder, matchmaking) than GW2 and was developed by a much smaller team. Needless to say, strategy is strong in the prequel, in the sequel not so much. That many classes are bugged and outclassed by others tells a lot about how important spvp actually is. In addtion to that, pvp being improved 5 months after release is bad considering their "when it's done" excuse. The game is far from done.

    There is actually a ton of strategy in GW2, just not in randoms. Which was the same case in GW1.

     

    Like what? I see tons of tactics, but no strategy whatsoever in this pvp.
  • GreyhooffGreyhooff New York, NYPosts: 654Member
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    Originally posted by hikaru77
    Originally posted by FromHell
    Originally posted by Purutzil
    Originally posted by Greyhooff

     

    Except for this of course, taken last night

     

    Some people are starting to sound like EQ players when WoW came out.

    Time to face it, GW2 is doing very well.

    Yeah... provide the text saying "Full' on a value that can be set to anything you want really shows the game is doing 'well'. I doubt its failing horribly but when you put pictures up showing a game is doing good showing population listed by text that can be determined anyway the game design wants, you show you have no clue at all about what your talking about.

     

    Heck, my game right now is full. I'd list at full right now. I'm only playing a single player game but heck I consider 1 player to be full so thats what it will be!

     

    No, I doubt GW2 is going through a mass extinction but no, posting stupid picture like that as 'proof' it isn't is just as stupid.

    Interesting.. If I ever create a MMO, I'll set my server lists all to "full" by default without giving any numbers.

    People seem to believe a lot when it's presented in list form ;)

    Full server in GW2 mean nothing, my server is full 24/7, but you can find less than 10 players in the myst and just 4 or 5 Spvp games running. 

    It's pretty easy to catch a lie..spvp is shared across all servers. There is always, except for when they reset the servers, way more than 4 or 5 games running.

     

    [mod edit]

    Truth is, GW2 sPVP is a game of skill and strategy, and there is plenty of both, more than in any other MMO.

    It's just that a lot of MMO players are stuck in the outdated, simple and easy to execute CCchain->burst mentality that makes WoW PVP a joke of constant class balance changes favouring whatever FOTM cc+burst comp works best that month.

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  • KyleranKyleran Paradise City, FLPosts: 21,956Member Epic
    Originally posted by Freezzo
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    If you are watching other people playing games instead of playing them yourselves you are doing it wrong.

    It's the same with watching sports? Hence the term e-sports? O_o

    [mod edit]

     

    Well now that you mention it, yes, but at least with a real sport it's understandable why it might be inconvenient to go out to the field (if not outright dangerous on some cases) so you need to live vicariously to participate. But with gaming you can pretty much always log in and play with little inconvenience our risk to your health. No, watching others play games is just plain wrong.

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  • GreyhooffGreyhooff New York, NYPosts: 654Member
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    Originally posted by Freezzo
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    If you are watching other people playing games instead of playing them yourselves you are doing it wrong.

    It's the same with watching sports? Hence the term e-sports? O_o

    [mod edit]

     

    Well now that you mention it, yes, but at least with a real sport it's understandable why it might be inconvenient to go out to the field (if not outright dangerous on some cases) so you need to live vicariously to participate. But with gaming you can pretty much always log in and play with little inconvenience our risk to your health. No, watching others play games is just plain wrong.

     

    You're quite behind the times.

    Just like sports, you can play games yourself.

    Just like when you get good at sports (let's use the example of football) you get curious: what about the very best in the world at football? How do they play? What tactics do their team use? What can I learn from them? What about different teams, different players? What about my city's team, my national team, my college's team?

    And thus people watch sports. And people watch e-sports, it's growing and becoming more mainstream.

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  • FreezzoFreezzo EnschedePosts: 235Member
    Originally posted by Greyhooff
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    Originally posted by Freezzo
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    If you are watching other people playing games instead of playing them yourselves you are doing it wrong.

    It's the same with watching sports? Hence the term e-sports? O_o

    [mod edit]

     

    Well now that you mention it, yes, but at least with a real sport it's understandable why it might be inconvenient to go out to the field (if not outright dangerous on some cases) so you need to live vicariously to participate. But with gaming you can pretty much always log in and play with little inconvenience our risk to your health. No, watching others play games is just plain wrong.

     

    You're quite behind the times.

    Just like sports, you can play games yourself.

    Just like when you get good at sports (let's use the example of football) you get curious: what about the very best in the world at football? How do they play? What tactics do their team use? What can I learn from them? What about different teams, different players? What about my city's team, my national team, my college's team?

    And thus people watch sports. And people watch e-sports, it's growing and becoming more mainstream.

    This exactly. When I'm watching SC2 and I see a brilliant play I want to try it out on my own (after the matches are done). And it's very cool to watch them execute stuff I will never be able to do :D

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  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 18,919Member Rare

    If GW2 want to become the big E-sport they need to add more maps (with some other options to win, like capture the flag and so on) and more importantly, guild Vs guild PvP.

    Right now in current shape I dont see the game becomming the next big E-sport.

    And I actually play GW2s PvP, while it is fun I miss the guild Vs guild battles from the first game, they were loads of fun.

  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 18,919Member Rare
    Originally posted by FromHell
    Originally posted by Purutzil
    Originally posted by Greyhooff

     

    Except for this of course, taken last night

     

    Some people are starting to sound like EQ players when WoW came out.

    Time to face it, GW2 is doing very well.

    Yeah... provide the text saying "Full' on a value that can be set to anything you want really shows the game is doing 'well'. I doubt its failing horribly but when you put pictures up showing a game is doing good showing population listed by text that can be determined anyway the game design wants, you show you have no clue at all about what your talking about.

    Heck, my game right now is full. I'd list at full right now. I'm only playing a single player game but heck I consider 1 player to be full so thats what it will be!

    No, I doubt GW2 is going through a mass extinction but no, posting stupid picture like that as 'proof' it isn't is just as stupid.

    Interesting.. If I ever create a MMO, I'll set my server lists all to "full" by default without giving any numbers.

    People seem to believe a lot when it's presented in list form ;)

    If people cheat, they at least set the population to "high", not full. Full means you cant get your friends into playing on your server which isnt great exactly.

    Your MMO would have zero players since noone could create any characters on any server....

  • FreezzoFreezzo EnschedePosts: 235Member
    Originally posted by Loke666

    If GW2 want to become the big E-sport they need to add more maps (with some other options to win, like capture the flag and so on) and more importantly, guild Vs guild PvP.

    Right now in current shape I dont see the game becomming the next big E-sport.

    And I actually play GW2s PvP, while it is fun I miss the guild Vs guild battles from the first game, they were loads of fun.

    Tbh I think Anet should look at some maps in SWTOR and RIFT. Their PvP is not all that good (standard MMO PvP stuff), but their map design is quite cool and they have a lot of variety. SWTOR Hutball and Voidstar give really cool mechanics with a bigger strategy than just node control.

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  • hikaru77hikaru77 buenos airesPosts: 1,036Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Greyhooff
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    Originally posted by hikaru77
    Originally posted by FromHell
    Originally posted by Purutzil
    Originally posted by Greyhooff

     

    Except for this of course, taken last night

     

    Some people are starting to sound like EQ players when WoW came out.

    Time to face it, GW2 is doing very well.

    Yeah... provide the text saying "Full' on a value that can be set to anything you want really shows the game is doing 'well'. I doubt its failing horribly but when you put pictures up showing a game is doing good showing population listed by text that can be determined anyway the game design wants, you show you have no clue at all about what your talking about.

     

    Heck, my game right now is full. I'd list at full right now. I'm only playing a single player game but heck I consider 1 player to be full so thats what it will be!

     

    No, I doubt GW2 is going through a mass extinction but no, posting stupid picture like that as 'proof' it isn't is just as stupid.

    Interesting.. If I ever create a MMO, I'll set my server lists all to "full" by default without giving any numbers.

    People seem to believe a lot when it's presented in list form ;)

    Full server in GW2 mean nothing, my server is full 24/7, but you can find less than 10 players in the myst and just 4 or 5 Spvp games running. 

    It's pretty easy to catch a lie..spvp is shared across all servers. There is always, except for when they reset the servers, way more than 4 or 5 games running.

     

    [mod edit]

    Truth is, GW2 sPVP is a game of skill and strategy, and there is plenty of both, more than in any other MMO.

    It's just that a lot of MMO players are stuck in the outdated, simple and easy to execute CCchain->burst mentality that makes WoW PVP a joke of constant class balance changes favouring whatever FOTM cc+burst comp works best that month.

    Is not a conspiracy, you can just try it for yourself, go and log now, at this time in the morning you´ll will find servers ¨full¨ but in-game you will find just a few players around and Spvp games running. And the problem with the spvp is about how easy and casual it is, you dont need skill or strategy all you need to do is ninja capture points or kill NPCs, and im not even talking about balance, atm is the worst Spvp MMO in the market.  

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