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This is what EVE should have been like

LobotomistLobotomist ZagrebPosts: 5,053Member Uncommon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uKD1ap5hsI&feature=youtu.be

In my oppinion main thing missing from EVE to make it true sandbox miracle great for PVP and PVE players alike.

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  • tom_goretom_gore TamperePosts: 1,796Member Uncommon

    Well E:D is still all talk and no show.

    Star Citizen a bit less so.

    But the fact is both games are still far, far away from becoming reality.

  • HokieHokie Vancouver Wa.Posts: 1,063Member Uncommon
    So Elite Dangerous is going to be an MMO?


    Because what it sounds like hes talking about is a single player game.
    Or something like PotBS in space, meaning when players are running the blockade are the other players who are supporting it attacking the blockade-runners, or is it just a competition to see who fills some imaginary completion bar first?


    I mean I could nit-pick some other things he said, but truly I dont want to sound overly negative. Just not sure how well what hes describing would work in a MMO style game.
    I mean it seems to me to be very heavy NPC interactive.

    "I understand that if I hear any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth, Ill have to eat every fucking chicken in this room."

  • FromHellFromHell NY, NYPosts: 1,311Member

    Good old ELITE is the mother of space sim nerdgasm. Can´t wait for this new game to happen, it will be epic. Braben always was a visionary, similiar to Chris Roberts.

    What a shame how the industry has treated and ignored people like them.

    Secrets of Dragon?s Spine Trailer.. ! :D
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    Best MMOs ever played: Ultima, EvE, SW Galaxies, Age of Conan, The Secret World
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2X_SbZCHpc&t=21s
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    The Return of ELITE !
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  • bubalubabubaluba LjubljanaPosts: 434Member
    EVE should be like this game? You ever tried to play eve?  It looks to me more like Space SimCity. I'm not crazy to give my money to some unknown men for his words and few pictures in background
  • tom_goretom_gore TamperePosts: 1,796Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bubaluba
    EVE should be like this game? You ever tried to play eve?  It looks to me more like Space SimCity. I'm not crazy to give my money to some unknown men for his words and few pictures in background

    You must be young, right?

  • bunnyhopperbunnyhopper LondonPosts: 2,751Member

    No OP, EVE should be like EVE. This game (if it ever comes out) should be like Elite Dangerous.

     

    Some of us actually like a range of different games.

    "Come and have a look at what you could have won."

  • ElsaboltsElsabolts Greencastle, INPosts: 2,594Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uKD1ap5hsI&feature=youtu.be

    In my oppinion main thing missing from EVE to make it true sandbox miracle great for PVP and PVE players alike.

    The guy sounds like he works for the UN, naw lets just keep the Grad students and other young adults who live in there parents basements right where there at.

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  • dave6660dave6660 New York, NYPosts: 2,543Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bunnyhopper

    No OP, EVE should be like EVE. This game (if it ever comes out) should be like Elite Dangerous.

     

    Some of us actually like a range of different games.

    Agreed.

    “There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.”
    -- Herman Melville

  • FromHellFromHell NY, NYPosts: 1,311Member
    I´m SO backing Elite Dangerous. What an incredible revamp of one of the greatest space game projects ever

    Secrets of Dragon?s Spine Trailer.. ! :D
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwT9cFVQCMw

    Best MMOs ever played: Ultima, EvE, SW Galaxies, Age of Conan, The Secret World
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2X_SbZCHpc&t=21s
    .


    .
    The Return of ELITE !
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  • kadepsysonkadepsyson sun prairie, WIPosts: 1,937Member

    Yes the main thing missing from EVE is the way another game did something.

    After all, we saw how well that worked with SWG.

    El Psy Congroo

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 19,998Member Uncommon
    Agree with the others, EVE should be just what it is, let another game blaze a different path.

    In my day MMORPG's were so hard we fought our way through dungeons in the snow, uphill both ways.
    "I don't have one life, I have many lives" - Grunty
    Still currently "subscribed" to EVE, and only EVE!!!
    "This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon

  • AvsRock21AvsRock21 Denver, COPosts: 256Member
    Why is anyone hyped over these games like Star Citizen E:D? I agree that these types of games are really fun, but there are so many of them. And they all take a long time to really play. The X3 series is very good, the latest one 'Albion Prelude' has some absolutely superb graphics and a very dynamic galaxy. Then there's the indy game 'Evochron Mercenary' which has mediocre graphics but full 100% Newtonian physics with real gravity effects from celestial bodies and full planetary landings. The flight mechanics and physics in Evochron alone make it a more impressive game than the others imo. I don't see anything groundbreaking or really innovative coming from E:D and Star Citizen. Now if one of these types of games comes out that is a true, persistent and dynamic open world mmo, I'll play it. But I'd rather not waste time on the other ones, my time is better spent playing EVE.
  • KiljaedenasKiljaedenas New Westminster, BCPosts: 468Member
    Originally posted by dave6660
    Originally posted by bunnyhopper

    No OP, EVE should be like EVE. This game (if it ever comes out) should be like Elite Dangerous.

     

    Some of us actually like a range of different games.

    Agreed.

    Also agreed. Besides, Eve already has a lot of these mechanics such as constructing space stations, having orders for parts, systems being taken over, etc (Nullsec sovereignty). When he talks about "the missions being available at that time of the famine/war will be representative of the situation"...Eve has that. It's just that the players make their own missions. Nullsec corp commanders are always planning out missions/schedules for their corp mates. Resource shortages, blockades, blockade runners (there's even a ship class specifically called that, personal favorite is the Viator)...

    Eve can (and should) stay exactly as it is. From the sounds of it Elite Dangerous won't really have anything that Eve doesn't, except perhaps changes to what PvE mission agents give depending on the situation.

    Where's the any key?

  • LobotomistLobotomist ZagrebPosts: 5,053Member Uncommon

    People that allready like and play EVE dont think nothing should be added.

    Granted , that is fine.

    But what about many others that tried and found EVE missing the other part - AI computer controlled part ?

     

    Granted EVE should not be like ELITE (Although for your information EVE was based on ELITE)

    When infact EVE could be much more - It could have what EVE has and than also what ELITE has.

    Yes , you could have that burger and fries too ... and milkshake.

    But you guys are like : Let burger be burger , and let other resturant serve milkshakes.

     

    I see it simple as this : Game better -> more players playing = everyone profits

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  • MalcanisMalcanis LondonPosts: 3,191Member
    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    People that allready like and play EVE dont think nothing should be added.

    Granted , that is fine.

    But what about many others that tried and found EVE missing the other part - AI computer controlled part ?

     

    Granted EVE should not be like ELITE (Although for your information EVE was based on ELITE)

    When infact EVE could be much more - It could have what EVE has and than also what ELITE has.

    Yes , you could have that burger and fries too ... and milkshake.

    But you guys are like : Let burger be burger , and let other resturant serve milkshakes.

     

    I see it simple as this : Game better -> more players playing = everyone profits

     

    The whole point of EVE is that it is based around player interaction.

    Give me liberty or give me lasers

  • YalexyYalexy BerlinPosts: 1,053Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Malcanis
    Originally posted by Lobotomist People that allready like and play EVE dont think nothing should be added. Granted , that is fine. But what about many others that tried and found EVE missing the other part - AI computer controlled part ?   Granted EVE should not be like ELITE (Although for your information EVE was based on ELITE) When infact EVE could be much more - It could have what EVE has and than also what ELITE has. Yes , you could have that burger and fries too ... and milkshake. But you guys are like : Let burger be burger , and let other resturant serve milkshakes.   I see it simple as this : Game better -> more players playing = everyone profits
     

    The whole point of EVE is that it is based around player interaction.


    /this

    Allthough there's ways to play it as a singleplayer, there's no point in doing it. And sorry to say, but E:D looks more like a singleplayer with added multiplayer.

  • FromHellFromHell NY, NYPosts: 1,311Member
    Originally posted by Hokie
    So Elite Dangerous is going to be an MMO?

    Yes.

    Secrets of Dragon?s Spine Trailer.. ! :D
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwT9cFVQCMw

    Best MMOs ever played: Ultima, EvE, SW Galaxies, Age of Conan, The Secret World
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2X_SbZCHpc&t=21s
    .


    .
    The Return of ELITE !
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  • hfztthfztt GlostrupPosts: 840Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by FromHell
    Originally posted by Hokie
    So Elite Dangerous is going to be an MMO?

    Yes.

    Listen to what he says. Its both a singleplayer game and an MMO.

    How they will ever balance that even close to well, is way beyond me. But hey, he is a clever guy.

    I have fond memories of Elite and especially Frontier, but I must admit that the thing that sold EVE to me was that I did not actaully have to FLY my spaceship, just give it orders. Any Elite successor will be direct fly control I am sure, and thus just not my cup of tea.

    I can see the charm though in the idea of a dynamicly changeing universe, but it need to be secured agaist you GoonSwarm type thugs and exploiters, or you will have hell on your hands.

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 19,998Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Malcanis
    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    People that allready like and play EVE dont think nothing should be added.

    Granted , that is fine.

    But what about many others that tried and found EVE missing the other part - AI computer controlled part ?

     

    Granted EVE should not be like ELITE (Although for your information EVE was based on ELITE)

    When infact EVE could be much more - It could have what EVE has and than also what ELITE has.

    Yes , you could have that burger and fries too ... and milkshake.

    But you guys are like : Let burger be burger , and let other resturant serve milkshakes.

     

    I see it simple as this : Game better -> more players playing = everyone profits

     

    The whole point of EVE is that it is based around player interaction.

    Agree with Malcanis, and if we're using food analogies, when dining in a restaurant, you're better off ordering from their strengths.  There's a reason why McDonalds doesn't offer Chinese food, just look what happened when they tried to introduce barbacue. (McRib, yuck) image

    Trying to change successful MMORPG's to be all things to all people has pretty much ended badly in almost every case, focusing on its strengths is what has kept EVE so viable for so long when most every other MMORPG out there has crashed and burned.

     

    In my day MMORPG's were so hard we fought our way through dungeons in the snow, uphill both ways.
    "I don't have one life, I have many lives" - Grunty
    Still currently "subscribed" to EVE, and only EVE!!!
    "This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon

  • MalcanisMalcanis LondonPosts: 3,191Member

    I like to say "No one goes to a steakhouse because they have a good salad bar".

    In a world where there were only 2 or 3 MMOs, I could see an argument for trying to make them all things to all men. In a world where there are hundreds, an MMO needs to be the best at what it it tries to be in order to stand out from the crowd. What good is it being "OK" in serving several different playstyles when you're competing against specialists in each of those styles?

    (This is what Elsabolts will never understand and why every year he's surprised and disappointed that it's going to be next year that CCP launch a PvE EVE server.)

    Give me liberty or give me lasers

  • LobotomistLobotomist ZagrebPosts: 5,053Member Uncommon

    How many people play EVE right now ? 500 thousand ?

    If it would double to 1 million. How would that hurt the game ?

     

    The changes proposed would not change the game at all. They would only add to it.

    Nothing would be changed at all for anyone , except new playstyle opportunities.

     

    [mod edit]

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  • dave6660dave6660 New York, NYPosts: 2,543Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    How many people play EVE right now ? 500 thousand ?

    If it would double to 1 million. How would that hurt the game ?

     

    The changes proposed would not change the game at all. They would only add to it.

    Nothing would be changed at all for anyone , except new playstyle opportunities.

     

    [mod edit]


    Eve fans like the game the way it is.  Get over it.  People didn't like your suggestion so now you've resorted to thinly veiled insults and hyperbole.

    “There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.”
    -- Herman Melville

  • kadepsysonkadepsyson sun prairie, WIPosts: 1,937Member
    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    How many people play EVE right now ? 500 thousand ?

    If it would double to 1 million. How would that hurt the game ?

     

    The changes proposed would not change the game at all. They would only add to it.

    Nothing would be changed at all for anyone , except new playstyle opportunities.

     

    [mod edit]

    Kinda like how Walking around a tiny room with a character, and the ability to buy clothing for your character for real money would only add to the game?

    I heard the actual playerbase liked that feature set quite a bit...

    El Psy Congroo

  • KiljaedenasKiljaedenas New Westminster, BCPosts: 468Member
    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    How many people play EVE right now ? 500 thousand ?

    If it would double to 1 million. How would that hurt the game ?

     

    The changes proposed would not change the game at all. They would only add to it.

    Nothing would be changed at all for anyone , except new playstyle opportunities.

     

    [mod edit]

    [mod edit]

    Second off, they HAVE upgraded the AI controlled part of Eve. If you had paid attention to the Retribution patch notes (if you play), the more adaptive Sleeper AI was installed on all mission and belt rats, and the effect of EWAR from NPCs was boosted/repaired to affect players more. So theoretically the challenge should be increased (and god damn will it be increased if L4's start remote repping each other, have yet to test that myself).

    From the sounds of it you want more of a hand-held epic quest through the galaxy giving you lots of cool stories and such. Guess what? Eve has such epic quests through the galaxy. The key point is, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THEM YOURSELF. Make your own stories, create your own adventures, decide your own missions. Eve has the tools you need to do that, so USE THEM.

    Where's the any key?

  • YakamomotoYakamomoto Osaka, ARPosts: 363Member

    time for EvE to bring in some avatar based gameplay, walking in stations,...

    Otherwise SC and Elite will drain a good part of the playerbase

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