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  • RidelynnRidelynn Fresno, CAPosts: 4,179Member Uncommon

    I'm not trying to say that Win7/Win8/OS X is a better operating system - that is a different discussion.

    I am trying to say that the Apple licensing and sales model is a lot better - and that if MS wants to go to an accelerated distribution schedule - from once every 2-3 years to every year (or sooner), that the current pricing and licensing scheme just won't work.

  • 3-4thElf3-4thElf Elftown, MEPosts: 489Member

    I like Windows 8's grouping myself.

    I'm so sick and fucking tired of seeing folders illustrated with actual "folders" and faux texture this and that.

    8 looks modern, simple, and really isn't that different. It's just presented different, and that makes the neanderthal in most people snarl.

    "ME WANT SAME!"

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  • CastillleCastillle KhobarPosts: 2,703Member Uncommon

    I use windows 8 and so far, I only really go to the metro ui maybe 5-6 times a day.

    Mostly because it has that pdf reader.  I have all my programs on my Naga sidebuttons (my computer, internet, winamp) and on my Deathstalker (all the openoffice stuffs, vc++, all my games, etc)

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  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 18,041Member Uncommon

    If I owned a touchscreen on my desktop I would get it, but now it doesnt seem like a good idea.

    I skipped Vista (except on my cheap HP laptop I had 9 months) and Windows ME, not all OSes are a step forward and some is not a bad idea to miss out.

    W8 without a touchscreen seems meaningless to me.

  • ViperHoundzViperHoundz glendale, AZPosts: 46Member
    The only thing I can say about windows 8 is this... Why for the love of God didnt microsoft  incorporate **Kinect* into this OS platform. It would have made the switch enjoyable and they could have pushed alot of kinect units. THis would have also made navigating the "Windows" way easy , either with hand motion, or voice.  Microsoft could have taken  OS's to the next level.
  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,221Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Ridelynn

    I'm not trying to say that Win7/Win8/OS X is a better operating system - that is a different discussion.

    I am trying to say that the Apple licensing and sales model is a lot better - and that if MS wants to go to an accelerated distribution schedule - from once every 2-3 years to every year (or sooner), that the current pricing and licensing scheme just won't work.

    I totally agree.  Microsoft needs to streamline their offering.  Not to make excuses, but I think it's harder for them, just as it is for Linux distros because they can't control the hardware environment like Apple does.  It presents different strengths and weaknesses.

    In response to your above post about the multiple versions.  I don't count the OEM or site license versions.  Those aren't readily available to the retail public.  I do think the 32/64-bit stuff is a confusing fiasco, but there isn't much to do about that.  There are some small quality of life improvements they could do with that, but short of them stopping support for 32-bit desktop hardware I don't know what they can do.

    They are getting better, but do have a ways to go.

    Originally posted by Castillle

    I use windows 8 and so far, I only really go to the metro ui maybe 5-6 times a day.

    Mostly because it has that pdf reader.  I have all my programs on my Naga sidebuttons (my computer, internet, winamp) and on my Deathstalker (all the openoffice stuffs, vc++, all my games, etc)

    o.o

    Do you like modern app pdf viewer?  I didn't mind it, but the full screen of the modern apps drives me crazy so I installed Adobe Reader.  That's my huge gripe about the modern apps, that and they seem to have reduced functionality compared to their desktop counterparts.

  • KilraneKilrane Sedro-Woolley, WAPosts: 255Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ViperHoundz
    The only thing I can say about windows 8 is this... Why for the love of God didnt microsoft  incorporate **Kinect* into this OS platform. It would have made the switch enjoyable and they could have pushed alot of kinect units. THis would have also made navigating the "Windows" way easy , either with hand motion, or voice.  Microsoft could have taken  OS's to the next level.

    This would be about as gimmicky as a touch screen on a laptop. Neat to play with for a few hours but no real improvements in actual functionality to the end user.

     

    How is a gimmick like the Kinect supposed to bring Windows to the next level exactly?

  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member

    Thankfully, I don't deal with consumer tech support anymore, so staying up on the latest OS aimed at them isn't really needed. I don't expect the Enterprise market to migrate over anytime soon, if ever, so I should be fine.

    Having said that, there are rumors of Microsoft starting a yearly release schedule for their OS's next summer, like Apple.  Things could get weird if that's the case.

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  • miguksarammiguksaram Fort Meade, MDPosts: 826Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Kilrane
    Originally posted by ViperHoundz
    The only thing I can say about windows 8 is this... Why for the love of God didnt microsoft  incorporate **Kinect* into this OS platform. It would have made the switch enjoyable and they could have pushed alot of kinect units. THis would have also made navigating the "Windows" way easy , either with hand motion, or voice.  Microsoft could have taken  OS's to the next level.

    This would be about as gimmicky as a touch screen on a laptop. Neat to play with for a few hours but no real improvements in actual functionality to the end user.

     

    How is a gimmick like the Kinect supposed to bring Windows to the next level exactly?

    If it could allow one to sit back, say on the couch, and use hand gestures to navigate the various Metro functions I could easily see that is a reason to pick up Windows 8 specifically for a HTPC.  Just a thought anyway.

  • RidelynnRidelynn Fresno, CAPosts: 4,179Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by miguksaram

    Originally posted by Kilrane

    Originally posted by ViperHoundz The only thing I can say about windows 8 is this... Why for the love of God didnt microsoft  incorporate **Kinect* into this OS platform. It would have made the switch enjoyable and they could have pushed alot of kinect units. THis would have also made navigating the "Windows" way easy , either with hand motion, or voice.  Microsoft could have taken  OS's to the next level.
    This would be about as gimmicky as a touch screen on a laptop. Neat to play with for a few hours but no real improvements in actual functionality to the end user.   How is a gimmick like the Kinect supposed to bring Windows to the next level exactly?
    If it could allow one to sit back, say on the couch, and use hand gestures to navigate the various Metro functions I could easily see that is a reason to pick up Windows 8 specifically for a HTPC.  Just a thought anyway.

    Pretty sure the Xbox console players hated it for navigating the UI, and Metro is essentially the same as XBox Dashboard - complete with it's horizontal layout and tiles.

    It's cool at first, and some games and apps can use it effectively, I can think of a lot of great applications for the PC (aside from porn). But aside from voice navigation (which isn't Kinect-exclusive), trying to navigate the menus is less like the Minority Report and more like an epileptic seizure.

  • iamrtaiamrta centreville, VAPosts: 164Member Common
    Built a Photoshop rig for my wife's classroom using 8 Pro. By the end of the night, after hours of fiddling with it, I wanted to shove my face through my LCD. 
  • CastillleCastillle KhobarPosts: 2,703Member Uncommon
    -snippeh-

    Do you like modern app pdf viewer?  I didn't mind it, but the full screen of the modern apps drives me crazy so I installed Adobe Reader.  That's my huge gripe about the modern apps, that and they seem to have reduced functionality compared to their desktop counterparts.

    I dont really mind that its full screen to be honest.  I rarely use pdfs and when I do, its umm...to read and not do anything else

    I never really liked adobe reader.  I used to use sumatra or whatever its called.  I just kept it in my flash drive and used it anywhere~

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  • goozmaniagoozmania chino, CAPosts: 145Member Uncommon

    This metro UI garbage is #^%^#^$ disaster. It's user friendly for idiots and people who don't use technology much, but completely counterintuitive for anyone who's good with computers. When I use W8, I'm in a constant battle with the UI, where it takes me up to 20x as long to do simple tasks.

    I absolutely do not buy the whole "it's not that much different" or "it only took me 10 minutes to get used to it." That is such a wide load. It reminds me of my Android phone's upgrade to ICS, where numerous features were actually removed or replaced with less functional features that require more menu presses. You don't ^$%#& remove features when you update software; you're supposed to add new ones...

    I have no desire, whatsoever, to have "apps" on my desktop computer. I absolutely hate clutter on my screen, which is what the metro crap is... I don't want to have to create 40 damned icons on my desktop to take the place of what the start menu used to do for me. I am OCD about having programs I'm not using open, even if they aren't using much system resources, and trying to keep all that crap closed is frustrating.

    Everything about the Metro thing is just a complete mess, to me. I think it's ugly, not functional to me and completely overbearing; as if it is forcing me to use my computer its way. I would be ecstatic with the option to disable it and everything about it, completely... but then I'd have Windows 7.

    Did I mention how ridiculous I think those hidden corner menus are? I just can't fathom how hundreds of millions of dollars went into this. I think we'd all be better off if they just used that money to save our Twinkies and Ding Dongs.

  • NitthNitth AustraliaPosts: 3,684Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Yamota I dont think this hybrid tablet-desktop OS is "where the wind is blowing". It just shows that Microsoft is out of touch as Apple was smart enough to realise that tablets/phones and desktops are vastly different animals and why they didnt bridge their desktop OS with their phone/tablet one. It is like trying to mimic driving a car like a motorcycle, sorry it cannot be done. They are too different.
    still waiting on this interactive desktop experience :)

    http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2010/06/02/is-the-minority-report-computer-technology-five-years-away/


    I watched that, quite a nice watch. however the video is 2 years old, looks like 'they' have 3 years left to have a consumer product :P.


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  • GaladournGaladourn AthensPosts: 1,052Member
    I had the chance to test Win8 installed on a friend's PC, and frankly this OS is abyssmal; I don'tknow what MS thinks they will achieve, but this pos is not touching my PC anytime soon!
  • whitezwhitez manchesterPosts: 26Member

    Once you got Start8 or something similar Windows 8 is as usable as Win 7, i have mine setup exactly same way as Win 7, add to it 4 seconds boot time from bios, and price which for me was £14 or £18 for Pro version. All games working just fine, so every app im using and so are the drivers. Dont get why all those people whining, how bad it is... It is a slight upgrade from Win 7 but i spent more on games every month than on whole new operating system that im gona use for few years to come.

     

  • NitthNitth AustraliaPosts: 3,684Member Uncommon

    I actually think windows 8 could be quite powerfull.

    I run a multiscreen setup with windows 8 and looking into getting a small touch screen for metro.

    I think it would be great to have metro static on one monitor giving you easy access to web data and/or social media + launch programs and run search queries while you do all your work on the mainscreen...

    Only problem with my idea is that i have not found a way to make metro static so that it will not close after an application has launched.

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  • MukeMuke BredaPosts: 2,172Member Uncommon

    Microsoft sees the success of Apple with their Ipads and Iphones, and think "we want that too".

    Windows 8 is only good for tablet computers and smartphones.

    I worked with W8 on my computer at work as an structural engineer.....I can tell you, it's a pain and I reconnected a Windows 2000 pc because it's 100x better to work with.

    As for games, I play EVE Online as well as casual other MMOs, I can't see myself doing those on a tablet sitting in a couch.

     

     

    Windows 8, fun for playing multimedia, fun if you use Facebook and play with some flash apps on a tablet.....for everything else, it's rubbish.

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  • fenistilfenistil GliwicePosts: 3,005Member

    What is good about Windows 8 is their OEM license.  You don't have to buy  new one when you reinstall it after changing your PC to newer or modyfiung it alot.  Of course at one time it can be intsallled only on one PC, but that's kinda obvious.  

    You can even resell it once.  (person who bough it from you according to EULA cannot resell it again theoretically).

  • Anoebis.beAnoebis.be AntwerpPosts: 62Member

    I have been using Windows 8 on my main machine since it`s release and never had any regrets. I simply do not understand what all the fuss is about because, and this is my personal opinion, it is a great OS. Now I still prefer OSX but Windows 8 is a really stable and fast Operating System.

    Now there`s this thing going on about the Closed nature of MUI and that you can`t use apps that do not come from the MS Shop. Peronally that doesn`t bother me. And honestly, the closed box everyone fears so much is actually a good thing. Microsoft could use their appstore to safely distribute software for their OS but they should keep a Desktop environent and add a section to their appstore for Desktop Apps. 

    If they can do this, and they can keep their appstore secure, then Windows will finally become a safer OS because Microsoft will be checking every app that tries to get on the appstore and block / filter out malicious apps that could damage your PC.

    If done right, I am all for it. But I hope that they can finish what they started and that they are prepared to do what ever is necessary to make sure their OS keeps running smoothly and above all else, clean and secure. If they are able to do this then Windows will finally be an OS that everyone want to use, and everyone can use without the fear of infection.

     

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  • 3-4thElf3-4thElf Elftown, MEPosts: 489Member
    Originally posted by Muke

    Microsoft sees the success of Apple with their Ipads and Iphones, and think "we want that too".

    Windows 8 is only good for tablet computers and smartphones.

    I worked with W8 on my computer at work as an structural engineer.....I can tell you, it's a pain and I reconnected a Windows 2000 pc because it's 100x better to work with.

    As for games, I play EVE Online as well as casual other MMOs, I can't see myself doing those on a tablet sitting in a couch.

     

     

    Windows 8, fun for playing multimedia, fun if you use Facebook and play with some flash apps on a tablet.....for everything else, it's rubbish.

    Please explain how it was a pain.

    I mean did you have trouble finding the software that you needed? I mean the File Explorer feature is nearly identical with a much better search option.

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  • RidelynnRidelynn Fresno, CAPosts: 4,179Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by fenistil
    What is good about Windows 8 is their OEM license.  You don't have to buy  new one when you reinstall it after changing your PC to newer or modyfiung it alot.  Of course at one time it can be intsallled only on one PC, but that's kinda obvious.  You can even resell it once.  (person who bough it from you according to EULA cannot resell it again theoretically).

    Not exactly correct. The EULA has changed a good bit - but you cannot, and have never been able to, sell an OEM license apart from the computer is was sold on.

    You can sell the computer, and the OEM license allows the license to transfer ownership with the computer, but you can't just sell the license.

    From the Windows 8 OEM EULA


    Can I transfer the software to another user? You may transfer the software directly to another user, only with the licensed computer. The transfer must include the software, proof of purchase, and, if provided with the computer, an authentic Windows label such as the certificate of authenticity label, including the product key. You may not keep any copies of the software or any earlier version. Before any permitted transfer, the other party must agree that this agreement applies to the transfer and use of the software.

    ...
    Are there things I’m not allowed to do with the software? Yes. Because the software is licensed, not sold, the manufacturer or installer and Microsoft reserve all rights (such as rights under intellectual property laws) not expressly granted in this agreement. In particular, this license does not give you any right to, and you may not: use or virtualize features of the software separately; publish, copy (other than the permitted backup copy), rent, lease, or lend the software; transfer the software (except as permitted by this agreement); attempt to circumvent technical protection measures in the software; or reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the software, except if the laws where you live permit this even when this agreement does not. In that case, you may do only what your law allows. When using Internet-based features or Microsoft Family Safety, you may not use those features in any way that could interfere with anyone else’s use of them, or to try to gain access to any service, data, account, or network in an unauthorized manner.

    Supposedly Microsoft is introducing a "Personal Use License" that differs a bit from the OEM license - which would allow you to run it home built computers or virtualized (the OEM license has never technically allowed you to do either, as it assumes that you get the software installed with a pre-built computer from a PC vendor). I haven't seen this new license (/sigh, do we really need another license type) available yet.

    And as far as upgrading - MS has always allowed that within reason. There is a hardware hash, and if too much hardware changes, then it "suspects" that you may be on a different computer, and will flag for reactivation. It takes a good bit of hardware changes to do it, with one exception: the motherboard.


    How many times can I install Windows on my computer before I have to activate Windows again?

    You can reinstall Windows on the same computer as many times as you want because activation pairs the Windows product key with information about your computer hardware. If you make a significant hardware change, you might have to activate Windows again.


    Will I ever need to activate my current copy of Windows again?
    Maybe. You might have to activate Windows again if:

    You uninstall Windows on one computer and install it on another. During installation, enter the product key that came with your copy of Windows. If automatic activation fails, follow the instructions that walk you through activating Windows by phone. You will have 30 days to activate your copy of Windows.

    You make a significant hardware change to your computer, such as upgrading the hard disk and memory at the same time. If a major hardware change requires activating Windows again, you will be notified and will have three days to activate your copy of Windows.

    You reformat your hard disk. Reformatting erases your activation status. In this case, you’ll have 30 days to activate Windows again.

    A virus infects your computer and deletes your activation status.

    If you have to activate Windows again, you don't need to buy a new product key.



    And the big whammy right here, which gets mentioned a lot around here, but I'll provide the source.


    Q. Can a PC with an OEM Windows operating system have its motherboard upgraded and keep the same license? What if it was replaced because it was defective?

    A. Generally, an end user can upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on a computer—except the motherboard—and still retain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created. Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred to the new computer, and the license of new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do not need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC as long as the replacement motherboard is the same make/model or the same manufacturer's replacement/equivalent, as defined by the manufacturer's warranty.


    http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/pages/licensing_faq.aspx#fbid=-rRiA9qFuCE
  • tort0429tort0429 New York City, NYPosts: 300Member

    I killed it bad.   I often test new software and OS for my company so I jumped into Windows 8 essentially to see how I could break it.  Didn't take long.   I changed the security settings in some of the folders and the entire Start Menu screen, GUI and all stopped working correctly.  Some apps would not even respond to mouse clicks others just dissappeared.   Some even acted like other apps (that was interesting).

    Since changing file security is a comman Windows OS feature, I'm really surprised that such an action would corrupt the Start Screen.   It was so badly destroyed, I had to select the Windows repair option, it restored everything except all the apps I installed which were now all gone!!!!  It was back to out of the box state.  I can see that pissing a lot of people off.

    Just wanted to share.

     

  • TheocritusTheocritus Gary, INPosts: 3,758Member Uncommon
         Not a fan of Windows 8 so far.....Looks to me like they are trying too hard to win over tablet and app people instead of trying to keep PC people.....
  • miguksarammiguksaram Fort Meade, MDPosts: 826Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ridelynn

     


    Originally posted by miguksaram

    Originally posted by Kilrane

    Originally posted by ViperHoundz The only thing I can say about windows 8 is this... Why for the love of God didnt microsoft  incorporate **Kinect* into this OS platform. It would have made the switch enjoyable and they could have pushed alot of kinect units. THis would have also made navigating the "Windows" way easy , either with hand motion, or voice.  Microsoft could have taken  OS's to the next level.
    This would be about as gimmicky as a touch screen on a laptop. Neat to play with for a few hours but no real improvements in actual functionality to the end user.   How is a gimmick like the Kinect supposed to bring Windows to the next level exactly?
    If it could allow one to sit back, say on the couch, and use hand gestures to navigate the various Metro functions I could easily see that is a reason to pick up Windows 8 specifically for a HTPC.  Just a thought anyway.

     

    Pretty sure the Xbox console players hated it for navigating the UI, and Metro is essentially the same as XBox Dashboard - complete with it's horizontal layout and tiles.

    It's cool at first, and some games and apps can use it effectively, I can think of a lot of great applications for the PC (aside from porn). But aside from voice navigation (which isn't Kinect-exclusive), trying to navigate the menus is less like the Minority Report and more like an epileptic seizure.

    While I don't doubt what you say to be true my point was there IS potential for such a setup to be quite useful and thus should be developed further.  I'm glad you brought up the Minority Report because thats exactly where a more refined version of said tech could take us.  Clunky is fine at first if it means they are working on it as a result of consumer demand.

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