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  • DSWBeefDSWBeef phoenix, AZPosts: 791Member
    Originally posted by mrgrimrpr

    After finding out this news, I decided to give SWTOR one last try.

    So, I  installed from my cd's, got all patched up, it got hung up on installing the patches.

    Apparently I cannot install the game from the discs that I bought. Thats all it took for me to uninstall.

    Do they really expect me to download 20 something gigabytes just to play? I bought the discs for a reason, because I want to save time. Unimpressive Bioware, I think i'll go play something else instead.

    You stuck on installing assests? That happened to me and all i had to do was restart the patcher.

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  • mrgrimrprmrgrimrpr Colorado Springs, COPosts: 87Member
    Originally posted by DSWBeef
    Originally posted by mrgrimrpr

    After finding out this news, I decided to give SWTOR one last try.

    So, I  installed from my cd's, got all patched up, it got hung up on installing the patches.

    Apparently I cannot install the game from the discs that I bought. Thats all it took for me to uninstall.

    Do they really expect me to download 20 something gigabytes just to play? I bought the discs for a reason, because I want to save time. Unimpressive Bioware, I think i'll go play something else instead.

    You stuck on installing assests? That happened to me and all i had to do was restart the patcher.

    I tried that as well.  It loaded the patcher, and never did anything once I pressed the log-in button. =/

  • TheOctagonTheOctagon Arcade, NYPosts: 253Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    Smart move.  Shows the fanboy defenders that they were defending something indefensible.

     

    Now they have to fix the locked quest rewards and maybe I'll give the game a third chance.

     

    I have no idea how bad the XP nerf feels as I didn't get that far.  But I'm guessing 25% can definitely get in the way if you skip a lot of mobs.

    I hit 17 and the grinds starting to hit now. Extra hours grinding mobs to make up for the XP that I didn't get doing quests. The normal amount of quickbars will be nice, but I've already cut back on my play time.

     

    Last couple of nights I was in a WoW daze just grinding...it was horrible...

  • tiefighter25tiefighter25 Winchester, MAPosts: 937Member
    Originally posted by TheOctagon
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    Smart move.  Shows the fanboy defenders that they were defending something indefensible.

     

    Now they have to fix the locked quest rewards and maybe I'll give the game a third chance.

     

    I have no idea how bad the XP nerf feels as I didn't get that far.  But I'm guessing 25% can definitely get in the way if you skip a lot of mobs.

    I hit 17 and the grinds starting to hit now. Extra hours grinding mobs to make up for the XP that I didn't get doing quests. The normal amount of quickbars will be nice, but I've already cut back on my play time.

     

    Last couple of nights I was in a WoW daze just grinding...it was horrible...

    There are way to many restrictins in SWTOR's FTP for me even to list.

    The one thing I'm "OK" with is the added XP grind. The game is too ez to level anyway. It wouldn't even be listed if Bioware didn't add the XP grind in such a garish fashion. They both increased sub XP gain, and reduced FTP XP gain (including rest XP) AND offered XP boosts on the cartel shop.

    The easiest solution is simple. Let mobs drop cartel coins as random loot. It would kill so many birds with a single stone.

    I'm not sure if the "Monetization Officer" can overcome their spreadsheet greed to see this though.

  • negativf4kknegativf4kk WorthingPosts: 377Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by TheOctagon
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    Smart move.  Shows the fanboy defenders that they were defending something indefensible.

     

    Now they have to fix the locked quest rewards and maybe I'll give the game a third chance.

     

    I have no idea how bad the XP nerf feels as I didn't get that far.  But I'm guessing 25% can definitely get in the way if you skip a lot of mobs.

    I hit 17 and the grinds starting to hit now. Extra hours grinding mobs to make up for the XP that I didn't get doing quests. The normal amount of quickbars will be nice, but I've already cut back on my play time.

     

    Last couple of nights I was in a WoW daze just grinding...it was horrible...

    All who complaine about reduced xp - just trolling. Xp reduced but not that much to grind the lvl.

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  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 2,926Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by negativf4kk
    Originally posted by TheOctagon
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    Smart move.  Shows the fanboy defenders that they were defending something indefensible.

     

    Now they have to fix the locked quest rewards and maybe I'll give the game a third chance.

     

    I have no idea how bad the XP nerf feels as I didn't get that far.  But I'm guessing 25% can definitely get in the way if you skip a lot of mobs.

    I hit 17 and the grinds starting to hit now. Extra hours grinding mobs to make up for the XP that I didn't get doing quests. The normal amount of quickbars will be nice, but I've already cut back on my play time.

     

    Last couple of nights I was in a WoW daze just grinding...it was horrible...

    All who complaine about reduced xp - just trolling. Xp reduced but not that much to grind the lvl.

    Not all classes and playstyles are the same my friend.

     

    My main on release was a Sith Assasin.  One of those classes that can sneak by mobs and go to the quests fast.  I fell behind a couple levels with ease and needed to run space missions and PVP to catch up.  The idea that exp would be cut another 25% means I would have had a LOT of issues in falling behind. 

  • altair4altair4 SkelleftePosts: 158Member
    If any, it's a proof that F2P turned out alot more horrible than they thought. Population peaked last sunday and has been dropping since. I think a very small percentage of new players are gonna put up with F2P for long and retention from returning players is gonna be even lower.
  • emotaemota PLYMOUTHPosts: 377Member Uncommon
    Wow how this game has fallen from grace. Free hotbars being an example of the news associated to this ggame nowadays. Sad really.
  • tiefighter25tiefighter25 Winchester, MAPosts: 937Member
    Originally posted by altair4
    If any, it's a proof that F2P turned out alot more horrible than they thought. Population peaked last sunday and has been dropping since. I think a very small percentage of new players are gonna put up with F2P for long and retention from returning players is gonna be even lower.

    You are correct. (IMO) To say Bioware is listening to their fans should be ammended to Bioware is listening to their potential customers' wallets.

    There has been weeks of people complaining that the FTP UI restrictions were overstepping. A money grab of unprecedented greed. Bioware's response was to decrease the UI restriction from 1 bar to 2.

    Now, with over a week's metrics to analyze, Bioware, in all likelihood, is seeing that both prefered and FTP players are just not willing as a whole to pay for UI unlocks.

    That combined with a 12% drop off in 1 week's population from Sunday to Sunday (based on that unmentionable metric) and voila, an easing of the UI restrictions.

  • SkuallSkuall UnknowPosts: 1,280Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by tiefighter25
    Originally posted by altair4
    If any, it's a proof that F2P turned out alot more horrible than they thought. Population peaked last sunday and has been dropping since. I think a very small percentage of new players are gonna put up with F2P for long and retention from returning players is gonna be even lower.

    You are correct. (IMO) To say Bioware is listening to their fans should be ammended to Bioware is listening to their potential customers' wallets.

    There has been weeks of people complaining that the FTP UI restrictions were overstepping. A money grab of unprecedented greed. Bioware's response was to decrease the UI restriction from 1 bar to 2.

    Now, with over a week's metrics to analyze, Bioware, in all likelihood, is seeing that both prefered and FTP players are just not willing as a whole to pay for UI unlocks.

    That combined with a 12% drop off in 1 week's population from Sunday to Sunday (based on that unmentionable metric) and voila, an easing of the UI restrictions.

    12%?

     

  • Methos12Methos12 Maladis 46Posts: 1,234Member Uncommon
    Probably the best thing they've done since going F2P considering limiting the players' UI was the most hilarious thing in the first place.

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  • tommytktommytk Richland, WAPosts: 3Member

    Ok the F2P model is lacking, maybee even lacking alot. but the biggest thingI have a problem with is the fact that for all the money I had put into the game some random person can just spend 5 dollars and have all the saem stuff as me. where I have to pay 15 to get some worthless coins? where is the incentive for all of the subscribers that left beacuse the game was lacking. I am not wanting a ton of freebies but dammit where is the customer loyalty. by the next patch I will have to pay just to have accesss to charachters that I had created forever ago. I see no logic there. I mean hell give us an incentive to come back maybee give you 15 dollars one more time for alot more than soem crapy items. I would sebtle for anything I like the tool bars but that is something cheap that again any body can pay $5 and recive now what would be nice would be the ability to use purples on all my character with  having to pay for soem little stupid thing. I would pay to have more slots, take hits on ability to do operations and flashpoints. but what the hell am I supposed to do if I have to equip halfassed gear, the story lines can get a little hard and without good gear what can I do? (I dont know if this restricts purples from quests too, set gear I would be ok with but every purple is a little extreame.)

    Am I th only person who feel betrayed by Bioware?

  • tiefighter25tiefighter25 Winchester, MAPosts: 937Member
    Originally posted by Skuall
    Originally posted by tiefighter25
    Originally posted by altair4
    If any, it's a proof that F2P turned out alot more horrible than they thought. Population peaked last sunday and has been dropping since. I think a very small percentage of new players are gonna put up with F2P for long and retention from returning players is gonna be even lower.

    You are correct. (IMO) To say Bioware is listening to their fans should be ammended to Bioware is listening to their potential customers' wallets.

    There has been weeks of people complaining that the FTP UI restrictions were overstepping. A money grab of unprecedented greed. Bioware's response was to decrease the UI restriction from 1 bar to 2.

    Now, with over a week's metrics to analyze, Bioware, in all likelihood, is seeing that both prefered and FTP players are just not willing as a whole to pay for UI unlocks.

    That combined with a 12% drop off in 1 week's population from Sunday to Sunday (based on that unmentionable metric) and voila, an easing of the UI restrictions.

    12%?

     

    Does that number seem high or low to you?

  • SwaneaSwanea Vegas, NVPosts: 2,368Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Rednecksith

    Oh yay, they're giving people back something they paid for in the first place. Surely the holiday spirit inspired this sudden show of generosity! Why, perhaps Riccitiello himself is in fact Old Saint Nick in disguise?

    Sarcasm aside, I'd still consider playing again... IF they un-nerf operatives and make them useful for something other than healing again. Otherwise, they can kiss my ass.

    Nah, I still wouldn't go back. Screw you EA.

    Lol. I love this argument! I bought something that was pay to play before! Now that the game is free, I want everything like it was. FOR FREE!!!!!!

     

    Also, how much did they reduce XP by.  By doing an instance or two (daily) and PvP (daily), I pretty much have green/gray quests all the time.  Reduced XP prolly put it where it was before, where doing quests let you keep pace, rather than put you so far ahead like I am.  I have done 4 planets of just my class quest so far.  About to be a 5th, just because I am so far ahead.  I wouldn't mind reduced XP. 

  • RydesonRydeson Canton, OHPosts: 3,858Member Uncommon
         They could add all the UI bars they want for free and unlock all the character slots, and bank slots for free and I wouldn't come back..   I hated PvP in SWTOR.. I hated the linear level path we're force to follow.. Even Dorothy had more options following the yellow brick road then I did in playing Star Wars.. The game just sucked, and no amount of freebie stuff is going to change it.. SWTOR is like a "Free 2 Swim" in a pirahna infested lake.. I don't care how free you make it, I'm not swimming in that lake.. PERIOD.. lol
  • Raxxo82Raxxo82 MalmöPosts: 144Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Crazy_Stick

     

    Listening to the fans? Pffft.... This is just proof EA  / Bioware really want to make money off the silly game they botcvhed.

    I really cant see why they would want to make money.. I mean they are a big company, and if they took all their employees and made them sell their houses, and take out their life savings, they could practically run the game with updates and expansions for for free  for qite some time. Aslong as they dont eat anything more than rise and drink some water now and then.

    I think its very selfish of EA and Bioware to want money for their work.

     

    (oh btw, tried the f2p version for a week, and it was not for me so now Im a happy sub. I know many have done the same and I see new ones do it every day. Good move guys, and thx for a good game) :)

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  • ThumbtackJThumbtackJ columbus, OHPosts: 539Member Uncommon
    Is this dropping in 1.5.1 (as in in like 3 1/2 hours once maintence is over), or later?
  • GravargGravarg Harker Heights, TXPosts: 3,332Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by sevitoth

    Get rid of the reduced xp for non-subscribers, then I'll come back.

     

     

    Isn't that legacy perks are for? :)

     

    I got a juggernaught that I'm leveling, he has the story quest exp boost maxed, and hk droid...which is op hehe :)

  • SkuallSkuall UnknowPosts: 1,280Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by tiefighter25
    Originally posted by Skuall
    Originally posted by tiefighter25
    Originally posted by altair4
    If any, it's a proof that F2P turned out alot more horrible than they thought. Population peaked last sunday and has been dropping since. I think a very small percentage of new players are gonna put up with F2P for long and retention from returning players is gonna be even lower.

    You are correct. (IMO) To say Bioware is listening to their fans should be ammended to Bioware is listening to their potential customers' wallets.

    There has been weeks of people complaining that the FTP UI restrictions were overstepping. A money grab of unprecedented greed. Bioware's response was to decrease the UI restriction from 1 bar to 2.

    Now, with over a week's metrics to analyze, Bioware, in all likelihood, is seeing that both prefered and FTP players are just not willing as a whole to pay for UI unlocks.

    That combined with a 12% drop off in 1 week's population from Sunday to Sunday (based on that unmentionable metric) and voila, an easing of the UI restrictions.

    12%?

     

    Does that number seem high or low to you?

    low , so far all the friends that played it last week have stoped playing :S

  • KickaxeKickaxe Winnipeg, MBPosts: 92Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ThumbtackJ
    Is this dropping in 1.5.1 (as in in like 3 1/2 hours once maintence is over), or later?

    This is the dev post indicating the upcoming change:

    Hi everyone!

    As you know, we take player feedback very seriously and we wanted to take this opportunity to thank you all for being a part of our Free-to-Play transition.

    When Game Update 1.5 was on PTS, we heard your feedback and increased Quickbars for Free-to-Play Players, increased Warzones from three to five per week, and reduced the Cartel Coin temporary bind.

    We want to let you know that we are constantly listening to you folks, and we’ve heard your feedback regarding limited Quickbars for Preferred Status Players.

    This is why, after an upcoming patch that is scheduled for next week, Preferred Status Players will be given two additional Quickbars (for a total of four) that will immediately improve their gameplay experience.

    We’ll have more details for you – including information for Preferred Status Players that have already purchased extra Quickbars - once the change goes live.

    Thanks again for your feedback and please continue to provide it for us!

    That post is dated November 26, so by 'next week' I gather not today but a patch coming next Tuesday (maintenance day).

  • ThumbtackJThumbtackJ columbus, OHPosts: 539Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Kickaxe
    Originally posted by ThumbtackJ
    Is this dropping in 1.5.1 (as in in like 3 1/2 hours once maintence is over), or later?

    This is the dev post indicating the upcoming change:

    Hi everyone!

    As you know, we take player feedback very seriously and we wanted to take this opportunity to thank you all for being a part of our Free-to-Play transition.

    When Game Update 1.5 was on PTS, we heard your feedback and increased Quickbars for Free-to-Play Players, increased Warzones from three to five per week, and reduced the Cartel Coin temporary bind.

    We want to let you know that we are constantly listening to you folks, and we’ve heard your feedback regarding limited Quickbars for Preferred Status Players.

    This is why, after an upcoming patch that is scheduled for next week, Preferred Status Players will be given two additional Quickbars (for a total of four) that will immediately improve their gameplay experience.

    We’ll have more details for you – including information for Preferred Status Players that have already purchased extra Quickbars - once the change goes live.

    Thanks again for your feedback and please continue to provide it for us!

    That post is dated November 26, so by 'next week' I gather not today but a patch coming next Tuesday (maintenance day).

    Well that's what I get for just skimming over things. :P Thanks though.

  • KarteliKarteli Providence, PAPosts: 2,646Member

    Basically, EA determined that SWTOR didn't have quite the excitment that it was supposed to have, so they gave a few more grains of sand.

     

    This might appease some players, but EA continues to miss the mark.  Players didn't like the game as it was.  A mass of gamers wanted something beyond a WoW clone.  Or a game better than WoW.

     

    All EA had to do is put in unique content that no other game has, ie Star Wars'y in this game, and they will have paying customers.  Space combat, gambling (without RL money lol), card games, racing ...

     

    Keep putting stuff in the game with the same drivel .. more instanced PVE, PVP, space rails, and watch customers disappear!

     

    It's a failed F2P launch if they have to tweak the game to try to maximize revenues after the fact.  EA didn't listen to their customers from the start, and this olive branch will go mostly unnoticed.

     

    EA listening to their customers???? no they are feeling the size of their wallets; they don't give a shit about anyone in particular.

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  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon

    The limited quickslot bars did not matter to me as much as purchasing more char slots. Until they allow more char slots I still can not play the game at all. I want my chars to matter in the Legacy system, so have no intentions on creating multiple accounts.

    At least now when and if they make more char slots purchaseable I will not need to buy more quickslot bars too which I would have done, and now saved some CC.

  • OnomasOnomas Rock Hill, SCPosts: 1,128Member Uncommon

    If they listened to the players they would have made a true epic mmorpg instead of the console rpg version of KOTOR 4.

    That game died soon as they decided to go the route they did. They should have made a SWG2 with better game mechanics. Because even if you hated or loved SWG, many agree that SWG had some great open worlds, crafting, player housing, and some pretty good space combat. Probably would have done much better.

  • mikahrmikahr ZagrebPosts: 1,066Member
    Originally posted by Chickenshyte
    Originally posted by Rednecksith

    Oh yay, they're giving people back something they paid for in the first place. Surely the holiday spirit inspired this sudden show of generosity! Why, perhaps Riccitiello himself is in fact Old Saint Nick in disguise?

    Sarcasm aside, I'd still consider playing again... IF they un-nerf operatives and make them useful for something other than healing again. Otherwise, they can kiss my ass.

    Nah, I still wouldn't go back. Screw you EA.

    Just play another class and stop being butthurt about Operatives. Every MMO either buffss nor nerfs certain classes. I think that's your only problem with EA.

     

     

    Not every MMO nerfs/buffs classes based on how bad/good players play the class. Thats actually their metric they admitted using rofl

    Originally posted by Swanea

    Lol. I love this argument! I bought something that was pay to play before! Now that the game is free, I want everything like it was. FOR FREE!!!!!!

     

    Also, how much did they reduce XP by.  By doing an instance or two (daily) and PvP (daily), I pretty much have green/gray quests all the time.  Reduced XP prolly put it where it was before, where doing quests let you keep pace, rather than put you so far ahead like I am.  I have done 4 planets of just my class quest so far.  About to be a 5th, just because I am so far ahead.  I wouldn't mind reduced XP.

    Except you cant do instance or two daily or WZ or two daily and rested XP brings a lot of XP. For starters it wouldnt be so bad, but on higher levels there might be problems if your pace is not snails one.

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