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Originally posted by Consensus Why would you ever need google to complete mmorpg quests?!?! They are all mindlessly easy, go kill/collect X of X. go talk to this npc etc. The only mmorpg I can think you might need a guide to complete quests was some of the quests in runescape. Maybe secret world has some interesting puzzle quests down the road, but all I played was the same generic kill/collect quests.
Do you remember when NPCs did not have exclamation marks on top of their heads and you didn't even know where to get such quests for starters?
Originally posted by Mardukk I'm not sure how far you could get with some of those EQ1 quests, without the internet. It would be impossibly time consuming guessing the right phrase to say to some of the NPC's involved in epic quests.
Actually it was pretty simple and usually just involved repeating part of the npc statement back to the, begin it with a what, where, why... and end in a ?
The irritating part was gathering some of hte components for the epic quests especially if they were foraged, could go weeks/months and not find it.
Retruning to EQ and trying tro find the quest with only the hint the NPC gave you, which you had to participate in the quets diaklog as well to get the information... god i miss that.
Once you start googling for information about a quest, you ruin the immersion of the game right away.
Originally posted by mikecackle If it was possible to make a game, where GOOGLE would be no help to your questing or any website for that matter, to look up information on what you needed to do or where exactly to go... Would you play that MMORPG? Or would it be too hard or boring for you?
You're working on the assumption that people google info because the game is hard or boring. In AC, I used to look up the quest info because my goal was to lead people through the quest. The discovery aspect was for them, but I needed to make sure we got through safely or that I had the information ahead of time to throttle the experience as required based on how the group was dong. Quest info on the net helped me create a more engaging experience for the followers in my monarchy.
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Originally posted by nariusseldon Originally posted by MindTrigger I'm never going to understand people who complain about this. Expecially when they need "help" to keep themselves from looking up solutions. How about a little self control?
How about just give in and look it up? We are talking about games here. It is not like taking drugs and you need self-controls to keep you becoming an addict.
You are missing the point. I'm referring to people who blame "the internet" because people post the solutions to quests and puzzles online. I personally don't care if people use them, and I don't think the internet ruined games.
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Originally posted by nariusseldon Originally posted by mikecackle Originally posted by korent1991 Originally posted by mikecackle Originally posted by denshing It's an implausible question because it's impossible to not be able to google for quest help.
in old school games yes, but sometimes a new system may evolve where that might not be possible...
Such system will never exists, unless quests will be randomly generated and never repeat. You're forgeting that people are the main factor in this. People are posting "quest objectives", solutions, places, etc. on the most different places on net so it's kinda impossible to prevent it.
Is it really impossible? I challenge your statement and provide few answers
1. random quest name
2. random npc names that spawn
3. random locations for npc
4. random objectives
What could you possible google if such system above created quest? What could you chat about in public chat even?
Didn't he just say "unless quests will be randomly generated and enever repeat"?
And i bet even if it is true, someone will do a statistical analysis (not unlike those done on D3 random items .. wth range and max and what-not) of the randomness of the quests.
Yes, and I say i can repeat them... how are you going to know what and just cuz its repeated don't me its where
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Originally posted by bigsmiff I only google for help when I absolutely can't figure out something on my own.
and how long before you give up?
It's the very nature of most mmorpg questing that I find boring and predictible, not how easily accessible the walkthroughs are. If it were that easy, I could just avoid the walkthroughs and have a good time. I just find myself enjoying mmorpgs that have very few, if any, quests... much more than quest driven atmospheres. So I would have to say no, blocking acessibilty to walkthroguhs would not help me enjoy a game any more than i already do
People really look at Google for quest help? That is stupid. All you do is exactly what the quest tells you to do. If you can't figure that out then you should stick to board games. I've never looked up a quest before.
The last time I googled quests (other than finding out where to get a quest from) was in TSW for two reasons.
1. Several quests were bugged. I couldn't tell if I was doing it wrong or it was a bug.
2. The Morse Code Quest. Not only do I not know morse code but even when I found a site that had translations, the silly radio thing was going to fast for me to hear the beeps and pauses clearly.
Originally posted by mikecackle Originally posted by bigsmiff I only google for help when I absolutely can't figure out something on my own.
It is usually in SWTOR when I am trying to figure out how to get to some of the holocrons. So, it is usually within a few hours after trying and about the time I am ready to throw the laptop out of the upstairs window.
Yes. It would probably take me longer though. :-)
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Originally posted by mikecackle Originally posted by korent1991 Originally posted by mikecackle Originally posted by denshing It's an implausible question because it's impossible to not be able to google for quest help.
Conversely, how bad would most of those quests completely suck.
I think you, personally, are only going to understand the issue once you try to create what you are talking about. It's clear you believe in your idea. My advice to you is to protoype it in GameMaker or something and actually see it in action.
I sure would..
this is how I play TSW.
The "google the quest" problem is completely overblown, if it is good content it does not matter if you know the answers.
We just got used to quests that take 20 minutes without a guide or 2 with one, if quests took 4 hours without a guide and an hour with one, and would be entertaining and meaningful, not just a 4578th exp stepping stone towards endgame, the problem would go away on its own.
Why would anyone need to google anything? MMOs are so stupid and easy...
If you hit "M", the quest marker literally tells you where to go in just about every MMO out there. It's lame.
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Originally posted by Loktofeit Originally posted by mikecackle Originally posted by korent1991 Originally posted by mikecackle Originally posted by denshing It's an implausible question because it's impossible to not be able to google for quest help.
your quite a a downer.... your analytical skills dont come close to mine.. and im already done prototyping.. haha ha
It's a nonfactor for me. Less than 5% of quests are problematic I find, so if one couldn't Google them you'd just have to either spend a little more time on them or just skip them. I don't see an issue with having to to this when the need would be so rare.
Mostly asking in chat you'll often get a respone from someone who did them already anyway.
Why anyone would even suspect this to be a problem for anyone in the first place is beyond me.
I have almost come to hating spoiler sites.. IMHO, they are a major ingrediant on why gaming communities are so hostile and vile anymore.. Back in the day when I started playing EQ, there was no spoiler sites, we didnt' have maps and yes, we still used PHONE LINES to log in.... There were many times as a newcomer, I had asked questions and was helped by 80% of the community.. As I leveled and became more experience, I began helping others without hesitation.. I can't count how many times as a druid, I healed strangers, buffed them, escorted them. etc etc just because it was the social and rpg thing to do..
Googling everything has made people less social and less dependant on a community.. Every man out for themself I guess.. Shame we have allowed gaming to head that direction..
Originally posted by Rydeson I have almost come to hating spoiler sites.. IMHO, they are a major ingrediant on why gaming communities are so hostile and vile anymore.. Back in the day when I started playing EQ, there was no spoiler sites, we didnt' have maps and yes, we still used PHONE LINES to log in.... There were many times as a newcomer, I had asked questions and was helped by 80% of the community.. As I leveled and became more experience, I began helping others without hesitation.. I can't count how many times as a druid, I healed strangers, buffed them, escorted them. etc etc just because it was the social and rpg thing to do.. Googling everything has made people less social and less dependant on a community.. Every man out for themself I guess.. Shame we have allowed gaming to head that direction..
Many don't play games for the social and help others. It is for the challenge, for the combat, for the epleen.
Modern MMOs just let them be what they are.
And googling is a lot more efficient than trying to ask in a chat channel. There is a reason why spoiler sites are so popular. I am no problem using spoiler sites to do item research and plan my acqusition, and purchase.