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So what happens if Xsyon Kickstart fails?

HancakesHancakes flint, MIPosts: 1,045Member

"This project will only be funded if at least $250,000 is pledged by Tuesday Jan 1, 3:00am EST"

 

 

 

 

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  • psiicatpsiicat St Petersburg, FLPosts: 29Member
    Originally posted by Hancakes

    "This project will only be funded if at least $250,000 is pledged by Tuesday Jan 1, 3:00am EST"

     

     

     

     

    rofl 250k seriously? omg I mean seriously? way better games than xyson only asked for 25-50k

    You know when I first saw the post about them going kickstarter I was like yea ok good luck with that.  Now that I see he wants $250k I am like ok this is a joke or a con.

  • HancakesHancakes flint, MIPosts: 1,045Member
    "Meeting our minimum goal will allow us to double the size of our development team and greatly increase the speed and quality of production."   Isn't the current team much smaller than it once was?
  • psiicatpsiicat St Petersburg, FLPosts: 29Member
    Originally posted by Hancakes
    "Meeting our minimum goal will allow us to double the size of our development team and greatly increase the speed and quality of production."   Isn't the current team much smaller than it once was?

    Blink.. wait wasn't the dev staff one person at one point?

  • HancakesHancakes flint, MIPosts: 1,045Member
    Originally posted by psiicat
    Originally posted by Hancakes
    "Meeting our minimum goal will allow us to double the size of our development team and greatly increase the speed and quality of production."   Isn't the current team much smaller than it once was?

    Blink.. wait wasn't the dev staff one person at one point?

    1-2.... But given the progress thus far and the lofty goals, they'd need a 10x + team expansion.  Everything came to a stand still while Jordi was traveling to pickup his new wife, so I'd guess the teams numbers 1 fulltime atm.

     

    "I apologize for the delay in these answers. These past few months have been very hectic with the website move, setting up the trial server and preparations for the future of Xsyon. I have also had a lot to deal with personally with my wife's pending immigration to the US, the reason for my current travels."

  • tawesstawess LkpgPosts: 2,535Member Uncommon

    to answer your question.

     

    They do not get any money.

     

    What that means for the studio i have no idea.

  • HancakesHancakes flint, MIPosts: 1,045Member
    Originally posted by tawess

    to answer your question.

     

    They do not get any money.

     

    What that means for the studio i have no idea.

    So its all or nothing?

  • JproJpro Saskatoon, SKPosts: 2Member

    Yes, it's all or nothing.

     

    This is everything I hoped it would be.... This is absolute GOLD.

    Theres no way this isn't a joke. That ridiculous opening montage where he doesnt even introduce himself or his role; that horrible walking animation montage; those giant pink polygons that I guess are supposed to be bears; .no actual gameplay being shown; that mininum goal; those backing options; that copy+paste of the original feature list with zero detail; that ridiculous list of extra features beyond minimum goal; that list of excuses for the risks and challenges essay.

    Considering the only sane backing option on that page is the $50 one, $250,000 / $50 = 5000 backers. He only needs increase his customer base 10 fold and Xsyon Apocalypse is a go! How on Earth is that the minimum?

  • tawesstawess LkpgPosts: 2,535Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Hancakes

    "This project will only be funded if at least $250,000 is pledged by Tuesday Jan 1, 3:00am EST"

     

     

     

     

    If that is the wording of the kickstarter then yes.. it is a all or nothing deal... Hench the ONLY part of it.

     

    But as i said i have no idea if that equals the company closing shop and start looking for work in telemarketing or if it just means that they will release stuff slower.

     

    That you have to ask them.

  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,205Member Uncommon
    they'll go free-to-play and sell action bars to finance the development.

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  • tawesstawess LkpgPosts: 2,535Member Uncommon

    to be honest it is not like you NEED 6 action bars... you get along very well with 4

     

    Selling ress-bots in my mind is a lot worse...

  • MyrdynnMyrdynn Beaumont, CAPosts: 1,516Member Uncommon

    so a game that already charges a sub to play, now wants kickstarter money

    Blizzard announces WOW kickstarter for next expansion

     

  • HancakesHancakes flint, MIPosts: 1,045Member
    Originally posted by Myrdynn

    so a game that already charges a sub to play, now wants kickstarter money

    Blizzard announces WOW kickstarter for next expansion

     

    Its rather pathetic and sad, that money could be better spent on more viable projects.  Thats all the genre needs, every failed/struggling MMO looking for a hand out at the expense of others.

  • MrDDTMrDDT North Port, FLPosts: 276Member
    Originally posted by Hancakes
    Originally posted by Myrdynn

    so a game that already charges a sub to play, now wants kickstarter money

    Blizzard announces WOW kickstarter for next expansion

     

    Its rather pathetic and sad, that money could be better spent on more viable projects.  Thats all the genre needs, every failed/struggling MMO looking for a hand out at the expense of others.

     

    I see nothing wrong with having kickstarter on a project that's already going. Problem to me isnt that he put out the kickstarter its the plans of where Xsyon is going.

    -MrDDT

  • moguy2moguy2 Saint Peters, MOPosts: 337Member
    Originally posted by Robokapp
    they'll go free-to-play and sell action bars to finance the development.

    Way to slide that in there /wink

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,651Member Uncommon
    If every two years he can get people to mail him 200k or more just to string them along on hopes and wishes for another two years, then more power to him.

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
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  • HancakesHancakes flint, MIPosts: 1,045Member
    Kickstarter does not investigate a creator's ability to complete their project. Backers ultimately decide the validity and worthiness of a project by whether they decide to fund it.
  • MrDDTMrDDT North Port, FLPosts: 276Member
    Originally posted by Hancakes
    Kickstarter does not investigate a creator's ability to complete their project. Backers ultimately decide the validity and worthiness of a project by whether they decide to fund it.

    Yep, we will see in 2 months just how many people decide to put up or shut up.

    Lots of big talk on the forums about they will support, and how many people love PVE only worlds etc etc. Well, it will be pretty clear just how big that talk is when they decide to put $$$ where their faith is in Xsyon.

     

    I myself will watch, after 5 months of no content, I believe its the best stance. I will support in any opinions and questions guides/devs have of me and my play experence.  [mod edit]

    -MrDDT

  • moguy2moguy2 Saint Peters, MOPosts: 337Member
    Its like saying " what if people put money into a trash can and let the garbage guy take it out". Thinking that this boat is going to keep afloat even though everything about the game sucks ,,, is just amazing
  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,969Member Uncommon
    They would have carried on finishing the game without kickstarter.. but.. when in rome? Everyone else is doing the kickstarter thing (which I hate with a passion personally, but that's another topic) and getting free money so why shouldn't they? Might as well get a hand out from financial investors that don't expect a return on their financial investment if people are stupid enough to do it.
  • treysmoothtreysmooth Martinsville, INPosts: 626Member
    Originally posted by Vannor
    They would have carried on finishing the game without kickstarter.. but.. when in rome? Everyone else is doing the kickstarter thing (which I hate with a passion personally, but that's another topic) and getting free money so why shouldn't they? Might as well get a hand out from financial investors that don't expect a return on their financial investment if people are stupid enough to do it.

    Personally I don't think kickstarter should be used to prop up failing games and companies.  Its like giving a gaming company a bailout with no payback required.  If they want their game to survive they should invest their own dollars or find investors that will hold them accountable.  I'm not here to give bad companies welfare, the whole idea is beyond stupid.  Kickstarter should be for true indies with a great idea/prototype that dont' have the means to get it done alone.

  • MrDDTMrDDT North Port, FLPosts: 276Member
    Originally posted by treysmooth
    Originally posted by Vannor
    They would have carried on finishing the game without kickstarter.. but.. when in rome? Everyone else is doing the kickstarter thing (which I hate with a passion personally, but that's another topic) and getting free money so why shouldn't they? Might as well get a hand out from financial investors that don't expect a return on their financial investment if people are stupid enough to do it.

    Personally I don't think kickstarter should be used to prop up failing games and companies.  Its like giving a gaming company a bailout with no payback required.  If they want their game to survive they should invest their own dollars or find investors that will hold them accountable.  I'm not here to give bad companies welfare, the whole idea is beyond stupid.  Kickstarter should be for true indies with a great idea/prototype that dont' have the means to get it done alone.

     

    Well, its the players option to invest or not. I think personally, I wouldnt put money into something I didnt think had a fair chance at doing ok. But if you believe your money will be put to good use, I say invest/donate.

    -MrDDT

  • nkitznkitz Crossville, TNPosts: 69Member
    There is no point trying to convince people to back or not. Either back the game or not, your choice.
  • PhlaccPhlacc Surrey, BCPosts: 37Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Hancakes
    Originally posted by Myrdynn

    so a game that already charges a sub to play, now wants kickstarter money

    Blizzard announces WOW kickstarter for next expansion

     

    Its rather pathetic and sad, that money could be better spent on more viable projects.  Thats all the genre needs, every failed/struggling MMO looking for a hand out at the expense of others.

     

    Well, you guys don't wanna pay monthly fee's anymore, it all has to be F2P now. They need to get  money from you somehow, it is a business. You guys won't be happy until the whole MMO space disapears, then you'll br crying about it once it's gone. "Man, what happened to all the MMO's? Oh yeah, we sucked them all dry until there was nothing left."

     

    I don't get you guys, cry because there a monthly sub, cry because it's F2P, then cry when they start a kickstarter campaign.

    However, saying all that, I do agree that money should be spent on better things, BUT, it's not Dev's of Xyson fault. Even if there were better projects on Kickstarter, who would pledge? People are selfish these days, they would rather pledge towards something they can have, instead of pledging and helping someone else.

  • aWRAYaWRAY Elk Grove, CAPosts: 84Member
    Originally posted by Hancakes
    Originally posted by psiicat
    Originally posted by Hancakes
    "Meeting our minimum goal will allow us to double the size of our development team and greatly increase the speed and quality of production."   Isn't the current team much smaller than it once was?

    Blink.. wait wasn't the dev staff one person at one point?

    1-2.... But given the progress thus far and the lofty goals, they'd need a 10x + team expansion.  Everything came to a stand still while Jordi was traveling to pickup his new wife, so I'd guess the teams numbers 1 fulltime atm.

     

    "I apologize for the delay in these answers. These past few months have been very hectic with the website move, setting up the trial server and preparations for the future of Xsyon. I have also had a lot to deal with personally with my wife's pending immigration to the US, the reason for my current travels."

    Really? 2 people? Well if this goes through and they double their development team to a whopping 4 people, at least the kickstarter will ensure they get their salary for next year.

  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,969Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MrDDT
    Originally posted by treysmooth
    Originally posted by Vannor
    They would have carried on finishing the game without kickstarter.. but.. when in rome? Everyone else is doing the kickstarter thing (which I hate with a passion personally, but that's another topic) and getting free money so why shouldn't they? Might as well get a hand out from financial investors that don't expect a return on their financial investment if people are stupid enough to do it.

    Personally I don't think kickstarter should be used to prop up failing games and companies.  Its like giving a gaming company a bailout with no payback required.  If they want their game to survive they should invest their own dollars or find investors that will hold them accountable.  I'm not here to give bad companies welfare, the whole idea is beyond stupid.  Kickstarter should be for true indies with a great idea/prototype that dont' have the means to get it done alone.

    Well, its the players option to invest or not. I think personally, I wouldnt put money into something I didnt think had a fair chance at doing ok. But if you believe your money will be put to good use, I say invest/donate.

    I think the whole kickstarter concept is an insult to business and an insult to those that invest. I wish it would go away. Not only does it give undeserving people rediculous amounts of funding.. it is unfair to those that are investing.

    In normal business anyone that invests has a stake in that project and continues to earn money back if it is successful. Sure, it's optional to invest on kickstarter.. investing has always been optional.. but people are only willingly doing so in this way because they havn't seen the light.. these are naive investors that don't realise they 'should' be intitled to proper investments laws, procedures and regulations. It skips the laws because they use the word 'donate'. Any decent company would, and should be made to, give investors a return on their investment in the real world; give money back.. not some crappy virtual items or your name on an ingame monument. Investors are entitled to it. In this situation, donate is world's away from what they are really doing. You donate to charities or non profit companies (like freeware software developers).. you invest in companies that use your money to make money.

    250k.. That's life changing cash! They might get it for absolutely nothing and then use it to make even MORE money for themselves. It should be making money for those that gave it AND those that use it. It's a joke....

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