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Too ahead of its time... just like every other mmofps.

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  • JeroKaneJeroKane OsloPosts: 5,353Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Whitebeards

    Sigh.. here we go again. MMO purists trying to define what MMO is even though over the years MMOS have intergreted themselves with all other genres and have become more of a hybrid.

    PS2 is a MMOFPS, it is not just called a shooter or a MMO but mixture of both.

    No one is saying here that it's not a MMO.

    There is just no depth. There is no point in capturing bases nor defending it.

    There are no resources to control. Nothing that helps your faction in any way.

    There is no reason to subscribe. There is no reason to buy anything in the store.

    This game just doesn't have any long lasting appeal.

    It's fun for a while and right now I enjoy it. But I know it won't last long and flipping bases is going to become a pointless, tedious borefest sooner than later.

    It's just such a shame. As they could have done so much more with this game.

    Like I said earlier. They should have taken the Dune / warcraft / starcraft / C&C  series approach.

    Have us, factions, fight over resources. Give us a reason to capture that base and defend it with our very last breath!

     

  • rendusrendus smyrna, TNPosts: 327Member
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by Whitebeards

    Sigh.. here we go again. MMO purists trying to define what MMO is even though over the years MMOS have intergreted themselves with all other genres and have become more of a hybrid.

    PS2 is a MMOFPS, it is not just called a shooter or a MMO but mixture of both.

    There are no resources to control. Nothing that helps your faction in any way.
    Have us, factions, fight over resources. Give us a reason to capture that base and defend it with our very last breath!

     

    But there are resources to fight over....do you even play?
  • JeroKaneJeroKane OsloPosts: 5,353Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by rendus
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by Whitebeards

    Sigh.. here we go again. MMO purists trying to define what MMO is even though over the years MMOS have intergreted themselves with all other genres and have become more of a hybrid.

    PS2 is a MMOFPS, it is not just called a shooter or a MMO but mixture of both.

    There are no resources to control. Nothing that helps your faction in any way.
    Have us, factions, fight over resources. Give us a reason to capture that base and defend it with our very last breath!

     

    But there are resources to fight over....do you even play?

    What resources??

    There are no resources, nor factories to process them and manufacture into something.

    Or do you mean the 2 stupid little resource bars for your character to be able to deploy a vehicle?

    That is more like currency.

  • mmoguy43mmoguy43 , CAPosts: 2,439Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by rendus
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by Whitebeards

    Sigh.. here we go again. MMO purists trying to define what MMO is even though over the years MMOS have intergreted themselves with all other genres and have become more of a hybrid.

    PS2 is a MMOFPS, it is not just called a shooter or a MMO but mixture of both.

    There are no resources to control. Nothing that helps your faction in any way.
    Have us, factions, fight over resources. Give us a reason to capture that base and defend it with our very last breath!

     

    But there are resources to fight over....do you even play?

    What resources??

    There are no resources, nor factories to process them and manufacture into something.

    Or do you mean the 2 stupid little resource bars for your character to be able to deploy a vehicle?

    That is more like currency.

    Obviously you don't play. If you did you would have known that those gigantic facilities scattered all over each continent is mass producing VALUBLE resources for land and air vehicles, as well as infantry supplies for those that contol them. Without them your empire would be pulverized and send you packing for your warpgate.

     

    On topic: The engine that PS2 is running on is ahead of most hardware, not sure about ahead of it's time. It is clear there is a lot more to be improved. Atleast it is completely free so comming back when more sandboxy stuff is added is nice.

  • rendusrendus smyrna, TNPosts: 327Member
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by rendus
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by Whitebeards

    Sigh.. here we go again. MMO purists trying to define what MMO is even though over the years MMOS have intergreted themselves with all other genres and have become more of a hybrid.

    PS2 is a MMOFPS, it is not just called a shooter or a MMO but mixture of both.

    There are no resources to control. Nothing that helps your faction in any way.
    Have us, factions, fight over resources. Give us a reason to capture that base and defend it with our very last breath!

     

    But there are resources to fight over....do you even play?

    What resources??

    There are no resources, nor factories to process them and manufacture into something.

    Or do you mean the 2 stupid little resource bars for your character to be able to deploy a vehicle?

    That is more like currency.

    http://youtu.be/NlAjZZytXiM

    skip to 1:58

  • TeknoBugTeknoBug Calgary, ABPosts: 2,156Member


    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by rendus Originally posted by JeroKane Originally posted by Whitebeards Sigh.. here we go again. MMO purists trying to define what MMO is even though over the years MMOS have intergreted themselves with all other genres and have become more of a hybrid. PS2 is a MMOFPS, it is not just called a shooter or a MMO but mixture of both.
    There are no resources to control. Nothing that helps your faction in any way. Have us, factions, fight over resources. Give us a reason to capture that base and defend it with our very last breath!  
    But there are resources to fight over....do you even play?
    What resources??

    There are no resources, nor factories to process them and manufacture into something.

    Or do you mean the 2 stupid little resource bars for your character to be able to deploy a vehicle?

    That is more like currency.



    You're not paying attention or not playing, resources are a big deal in PS2, think of it as an interlink facility in PS1- without it, you can't spawn half the vehicles.

    image
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  • JeroKaneJeroKane OsloPosts: 5,353Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mmoguy43
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by rendus
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by Whitebeards

    Sigh.. here we go again. MMO purists trying to define what MMO is even though over the years MMOS have intergreted themselves with all other genres and have become more of a hybrid.

    PS2 is a MMOFPS, it is not just called a shooter or a MMO but mixture of both.

    There are no resources to control. Nothing that helps your faction in any way.
    Have us, factions, fight over resources. Give us a reason to capture that base and defend it with our very last breath!

     

    But there are resources to fight over....do you even play?

    What resources??

    There are no resources, nor factories to process them and manufacture into something.

    Or do you mean the 2 stupid little resource bars for your character to be able to deploy a vehicle?

    That is more like currency.

    Obviously you don't play. If you did you would have known that those gigantic facilities scattered all over each continent is mass producing VALUBLE resources for land and air vehicles, as well as infantry supplies for those that contol them. Without them your empire would be pulverized and send you packing for your warpgate.

     

    On topic: The engine that PS2 is running on is ahead of most hardware, not sure about ahead of it's time. It is clear there is a lot more to be improved. Atleast it is completely free so comming back when more sandboxy stuff is added is nice.

    You can easily fill up your resource bars by go to the respective areas and start killing people. Earn XP in process and fill up your bars quickly.  Is what I did yesterday.

    It's basically what people are doing right now. Just flipping bases, to quickly gain XP, certs and fill up your resource bars.

    It's really too simplified to have any real meaning. :-(

    Factions shouldn't have any resources at all to begin with.

    It's much more interesting having to deploy harvesters and really harvest resources to supply your faction with, to be actually able to build base components, defense system components, vehicles, etc.  Like how you did in Dune, C&C, etc.

    This would have made the game much more interesting, as harvesters would be prime targets by other factions and you would have to defend them during harvesting and hauling back the resources to process facilities.

    Bases in those areas would then also be much more interesting to capture, expand and enhance with better defense systems, etc to hold off enemies from your precious resource areas.

    It really forces people to work together as a whole faction, because if not... you won't gather any resources, facilities running dry and you basically would not have any vehicles, aircraft, tanks, etc at your disposal.

    Basically like how EVE Online works in a way and in some way also DAoC.

     

  • rendusrendus smyrna, TNPosts: 327Member
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by mmoguy43
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by rendus
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by Whitebeards

    Sigh.. here we go again. MMO purists trying to define what MMO is even though over the years MMOS have intergreted themselves with all other genres and have become more of a hybrid.

    PS2 is a MMOFPS, it is not just called a shooter or a MMO but mixture of both.

    There are no resources to control. Nothing that helps your faction in any way.
    Have us, factions, fight over resources. Give us a reason to capture that base and defend it with our very last breath!

     

    But there are resources to fight over....do you even play?

    What resources??

    There are no resources, nor factories to process them and manufacture into something.

    Or do you mean the 2 stupid little resource bars for your character to be able to deploy a vehicle?

    That is more like currency.

    Obviously you don't play. If you did you would have known that those gigantic facilities scattered all over each continent is mass producing VALUBLE resources for land and air vehicles, as well as infantry supplies for those that contol them. Without them your empire would be pulverized and send you packing for your warpgate.

     

    On topic: The engine that PS2 is running on is ahead of most hardware, not sure about ahead of it's time. It is clear there is a lot more to be improved. Atleast it is completely free so comming back when more sandboxy stuff is added is nice.

    You can easily fill up your resource bars by go to the respective areas and start killing people. Earn XP in process and fill up your bars quickly.  Is what I did yesterday.

    It's basically what people are doing right now. Just flipping bases, to quickly gain XP, certs and fill up your resource bars.

    It's really too simplified to have any real meaning. :-(

    Factions shouldn't have any resources at all to begin with.

    It's much more interesting having to deploy harvesters and really harvest resources to supply your faction with, to be actually able to build base components, defense system components, vehicles, etc.  Like how you did in Dune, C&C, etc.

    This would have made the game much more interesting, as harvesters would be prime targets by other factions and you would have to defend them during harvesting and hauling back the resources to process facilities.

    Bases in those areas would then also be much more interesting to capture, expand and enhance with better defense systems, etc to hold off enemies from your precious resource areas.

    It really forces people to work together as a whole faction, because if not... you won't gather any resources, facilities running dry and you basically would not have any vehicles, aircraft, tanks, etc at your disposal.

    Basically like how EVE Online works in a way and in some way also DAoC.

     

    All interesting ideas.  Just never on the Planetside 2 roadmap.  This is starting to sound like the PVE content in a PVP game thread.

  • wordizwordiz Eugene, ORPosts: 464Member
    Horrible game. Period. There's nothing MMORPG about it, so I have no idea why it's even on this site. All I see is a stupid game for FPS kids (as in babies, children, 12 year olds) that don't have the attention span to play a real game. I tried it, hated the FPS mechanics, the lagging engine, the crappy UI, the horribad map system. Isn't there an FPS site that you clowns and COD fanboys can populate? Please drag this rancid corpse of a game with you. Ithankyou.
  • ThumbtackJThumbtackJ columbus, OHPosts: 539Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by wordiz
    Horrible game. Period. There's nothing MMO about it, so I have no idea why it's even on this site. All I see is a stupid game for FPS kids (as in babies, children, 12 year olds) that don't have the attention span to play a real game. I tried it, hated the FPS mechanics, the lagging engine, the crappy UI, the horribad map system. Isn't there an FPS site that you clowns and COD fanboys can populate? Please drag this rancid corpse of a game with you. Ithankyou.

    Could you recommend me an (MMO)FPS that is not for kids (as in babies, children, 12 year olds)? Now, I'm only 22, but I believe I have the attention span to play a REAL game (as opposed to any fake one). 

  • AvsRock21AvsRock21 Denver, COPosts: 256Member
    Originally posted by Raserei

    8gigs ram

    quad core 2.8ghz

    Windows 7

    5770 HD ATI Radeon 

     

    Worse computer then yours and I run at medium 30-60 FPS.... 30 FPS when I'm in a large scale battle. Human eye can only see 30 FPS, good times.

     

    Have you tried game booster? HAve you tried tweaking windows?

    Wrong. The average human eye can see 60 FPS. Many humans can actually see passed that though, and into the 80 FPS range. 

     

    Planetside 2 has a far way to go before it is fully optimized, but it's already very playable. I didn't play PS1 but I love shooters and I play some BF3 here and there. I'm having a blast in PS2! I'm thinking about subbing. I don't see myself playing BF3 for a loong time.

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    It's more of a mmo than diablo3 which is on this site. Heck its more if a mmo than swtor.
  • DrolkinDrolkin Palio, NBPosts: 242Member

    AMD Athlon 64x2 2.6ghz

    2gb ram

    9400GT

    Windows XP

    500PSU

    Average 30 FPS on PS2 on medium settings.

     

    When I hear things like, "My I7 comp ain't that great" I am confused, so if I upgrade to an I7 I will not get that big of a performance increase?????  Computers confuse me.

     

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    The human eye works at around 40-45 fps.

    That is why films are made at that frame rate.
  • AvsRock21AvsRock21 Denver, COPosts: 256Member
    Originally posted by Drolkin

    AMD Athlon 64x2 2.6ghz

    2gb ram

    9400GT

    Windows XP

    500PSU

    Average 30 FPS on PS2 on medium settings.

     

    When I hear things like, "My I7 comp ain't that great" I am confused, so if I upgrade to an I7 I will not get that big of a performance increase?????  Computers confuse me.

     

    People saying an i7 is not great, have absolutely no clue what they are talking about. Even the cheapest i7 absolutely dominates the new 8 core (4 module...) Piledriver AMD CPUs. You will see a HUGE performance gain coming from an Athlon 64x2. It will be night and day. Also, you need a new graphics card. Even one of the cheaper ones like a GT640 would suffice. But I highly recommend getting something like a GTX 570 or Radeon 7870 at the very minimum. Those cards are dropping around to $200 these days. 

  • wordizwordiz Eugene, ORPosts: 464Member
    Originally posted by ThumbtackJ
    Originally posted by wordiz
    Horrible game. Period. There's nothing MMO about it, so I have no idea why it's even on this site. All I see is a stupid game for FPS kids (as in babies, children, 12 year olds) that don't have the attention span to play a real game. I tried it, hated the FPS mechanics, the lagging engine, the crappy UI, the horribad map system. Isn't there an FPS site that you clowns and COD fanboys can populate? Please drag this rancid corpse of a game with you. Ithankyou.

    Could you recommend me an (MMO)FPS that is not for kids (as in babies, children, 12 year olds)? Now, I'm only 22, but I believe I have the attention span to play a REAL game (as opposed to any fake one). 

    You're asking the wrong guy.

    I have'nt gotten behind a shooter since CS 1.6, and pretty much lost all hope in the genre after the 3rd iteration of CoD. Gratuitous, senseless violence, relentless trigger pulling, all topped off with some good ol fashion war propaganda, such as the stabs at groups like Anonymous in the new Black Ops. I like my brain how it is thanks, I also like the natural reaction of nausea that I feel when I see somebody cut down by bullets ( a reaction, I'm sure, that many FPS players no longer have.) So, in my opinion, anyone that is a shooter fan is either a bandwagoneer, a child with low standards and attention span, a desensitized violent zombie or a combination of the three.

    I understand the MMO aspect making a shooter larger and more epic, but don't understand why it would be on this site just because it's massive and multiplayer. 

    I'd tell you to check out Firefall, but it looks pretty cartoony and Borderlandish, and it's made by someone who worked for Blizzard on WoW.

    To my knowledge there aren't any good MMOFPS's yet.

  • KrashnerKrashner Noneyabidness, INPosts: 137Member
    Originally posted by wordiz
    Horrible game. Period. There's nothing MMORPG about it, so I have no idea why it's even on this site. All I see is a stupid game for FPS kids (as in babies, children, 12 year olds) that don't have the attention span to play a real game. I tried it, hated the FPS mechanics, the lagging engine, the crappy UI, the horribad map system. Isn't there an FPS site that you clowns and COD fanboys can populate? Please drag this rancid corpse of a game with you. Ithankyou.

    You have a disturbing and irrational hatred for shooters. The game never claims to be an MMORPG, however it is an MMO since, you know, it is massively multiplayer. I fail to see how FPS's are for children, or for people with short attenion spans since nearly every single one of them are marketed towards adults. Please provide an example of what a "real game" is, are you referring to WoW? SWTOR perhaps? Maybe even Hello Kitty Online? By your logic since I enjoy Halo and TF2 I'm obviously a 12 year old COD fanboy. I mean TF2 and COD are practically the same game since they are both shooters, just like every single mmo is a WoW clone, espically EvE and Darkfall.

    edit: annoying typo

  • wordizwordiz Eugene, ORPosts: 464Member
    Originally posted by Krashner
    Originally posted by wordiz
    Horrible game. Period. There's nothing MMORPG about it, so I have no idea why it's even on this site. All I see is a stupid game for FPS kids (as in babies, children, 12 year olds) that don't have the attention span to play a real game. I tried it, hated the FPS mechanics, the lagging engine, the crappy UI, the horribad map system. Isn't there an FPS site that you clowns and COD fanboys can populate? Please drag this rancid corpse of a game with you. Ithankyou.

    You have a disturbing and irrational hatred for shooters. The game never claims to be an MMORPG, however it is an MMO since, you know, it is massively multiplayer. I fail to see how FPS's are for children, or for people with short attenion spans since nearly every single one of them are marketed towards adults. Please provide an example of what a "real game" is, are you refferring to WoW? SWTOR perhaps? Maybe even Hello Kitty Online? By your logic since I enjoy Halo and TF2 I'm obviously a 12 year old COD fanboy. I mean TF2 and COD are practically the same game since they are both shooters, just like every single mmo is a WoW clone, espically EvE and Darkfall.

    I'd respond to all points, but you saying that Eve and Darkfall are WoW clones just killed you where you stand.  Just for clarification, when I say kids or children or babies, I'm talking about mentality, or simple mindedness, easy to please, distracted by handclaps but cracked out on killing. 

    As far as real games? I dunno, it sure has been a while.

  • aesperusaesperus Hamshire, NVPosts: 5,128Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    The human eye works at around 40-45 fps.

    That is why films are made at that frame rate.

    Films are made @ 24 fps bud.

  • KrashnerKrashner Noneyabidness, INPosts: 137Member
    Originally posted by wordiz
    Originally posted by Krashner
    Originally posted by wordiz
    Horrible game. Period. There's nothing MMORPG about it, so I have no idea why it's even on this site. All I see is a stupid game for FPS kids (as in babies, children, 12 year olds) that don't have the attention span to play a real game. I tried it, hated the FPS mechanics, the lagging engine, the crappy UI, the horribad map system. Isn't there an FPS site that you clowns and COD fanboys can populate? Please drag this rancid corpse of a game with you. Ithankyou.

    You have a disturbing and irrational hatred for shooters. The game never claims to be an MMORPG, however it is an MMO since, you know, it is massively multiplayer. I fail to see how FPS's are for children, or for people with short attenion spans since nearly every single one of them are marketed towards adults. Please provide an example of what a "real game" is, are you referring to WoW? SWTOR perhaps? Maybe even Hello Kitty Online? By your logic since I enjoy Halo and TF2 I'm obviously a 12 year old COD fanboy. I mean TF2 and COD are practically the same game since they are both shooters, just like every single mmo is a WoW clone, espically EvE and Darkfall.

    I'd respond to all points, but you saying that Eve and Darkfall are WoW clones just killed you where you stand. As far as real games? I dunno, it sure has been a while.

    Sarcasm, it starts at "by your logic" and ends at "darkfall."

    edit: annoying typoe

  • AvsRock21AvsRock21 Denver, COPosts: 256Member
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    The human eye works at around 40-45 fps.

    That is why films are made at that frame rate.

    Here's an excerpt:

     

    "A frame or scene on a computer is first setup by your video card in a frame buffer. The frame/image is then sent to the RAMDAC (Random Access Memory Digital-Analog-Convertor) for final display on your display device. Liquid Crystal Displays, and FPD Plasma displays use a higher quality strictly digital representation, so the transfer of information, in this case a scene is much quicker. After the scene has been sent to the monitor it is perfectly rendered and displayed. One thing is missing however, the faster you do this, and the more frames you plan on sending to the screen per second, the better your hardware needs to be. Computer Programmers and Computer Game Developers which have been working strictly with Computers can't reproduce motion blur in these scenes. Even though 30 Frames are displaying per second the scenes don't look as smooth as on a TV. Well that is until we get to more than 30 FPS.


      NVIDIA a computer video card maker who recently purchased 3dFx another computer video card maker just finished a GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) for the XBOX from Microsoft. Increasing amounts of rendering capabilities and memory as well as more transistors and instructions per second equate to more frames per second in a Computer Video Game or on Computer Displays in general. There is no motion blur, so the transition from frame to frame is not as smooth as in movies, that is at 30 FPS. In example, NVIDIA/3dfx put out a demo that runs half the screen at 30 fps, and the other half at 60 fps. The results? - there is a definite difference between the two scenes; 60 fps looking much better and smoother than the 30 fps."

     

    Basically, frames are rendered differently in movies and television. They use a motion blurring technique which allows the brain to perceive the 30 fps as being smooth. In games the frames are rendered differently from you video card. The lack of blurring makes 30 fps look very laggy compared to 60 fps. So yes, in games the more fps the better. If you are able to get more than 60 fps you will still be able to notice the difference. This "you can't see more than 30 fps on screen" is complete nonsense and only applies to movies/television. 

     

    Source: http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html

     

  • JupstoJupsto englandPosts: 2,087Member

    what other mmofps?!?!

     

    there are no other mmofps. there is darkfall and planetside 2. even planetside 1 was not massive.

    My blog: image

  • JimmyzzzJimmyzzz PerthPosts: 2Member

    Long time lurker, first time poster. I thought i'd share what PS2 could become, if supported.

     

     

    "What are your plans for the future?

    First off, we have a 3 year plan. That's really big. We plan on putting that out to the users at some point in the near future. This isn't some "vision" we plan on imparting on our players. It's our thoughts on what we think would be cool. We will listen to our users feedback and make changes based on that feedback. We think we have some killer ideas but our players have pretty good ones too! I want to be super clear here - these are just some of the ideas. The team has a ton.

    Here are just a few cornerstone ideas we are considering. I want to be crystal clear and say that these are NOT promises these are ideas.. some of which may be canned. That thinking can change. It can even change fast. I just want you to understand we are looking to support this game for a very long time and add a lot of features to it.

    1) Player Owned bases - we plan on releasing continents that are empty or partially empty where players can build their own bases. These are open world bases so others will be able to attack them. We're also planning on having these continents heavily resource based with new resource types that will be very rare..and lots of cool new stuff that can be built out of these new resources.

    2) Harvestable resources - imagine SC II style resource harvesting with physical vehicles doing the mining or the harvesting.

    3) Water between continents - seamlessly - this is really hard tech, but our goal is to make the whole planet seamless and allow water based vehicles.

    4) Lots more vehicles and weapons - just what it sounds like. Many of these will take very rare resources to make.

    5) NPC enemies - I don't want to call this PVE. That's not exactly what we have in mind. More like a global invasion that goes after everybody. This isn't a bunch of quest givers saying "go kill 10 rats" - this is bad ass aliens that want to gut you.

    6) NPC armies - imagine as the commander of a base sending an NPC army towards another base MOBA style except it's in the middle of the Planetside 2. This isn't another game mode. It's all part of the same game.

    7) Esports support - we plan on doing this pretty soon after launch. We plan on making this a big big thing and putting a lot of our resources behind it.

    8) Weather

    9) Mac version (soon after launch).

    Like I said - some of these are just ideas.. some are already planned for the near term. Expect us to lay this out clearly and expect this soon.

    Thanks and I hope this gives you some things to think about

    Smed"

     

     

    Source - http://john-smedley.livejournal.com/2412.html

  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,288Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Consensus

    what other mmofps?!?!

     

    there are no other mmofps. there is darkfall and planetside 2. even planetside 1 was not massive.

    darkfail wasnt really a mmofps, but planetside 1 was definitely an MMOFPS, if you had done even a little research on it, that should be obvious.image

  • zomard100zomard100 karlovacPosts: 228Member
    i have 6850 ati, 16gb ddr3, x4 proc and game is running like crazy. I can't even understand how they did manage that mass fighting without any lag or fps problem. Graphic is awesome and i play always on max settings 1680X1050
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