Originally posted by greg4096 Look at the success of Minecraft.
If that was a MMORPG it would have beaten all the others.
The new generation just needs to be introduced to a good game.
Play Minecraft on a large, multiplayer server before you say Minecraft is an example of a sandbox MMORPG waiting to happen. There are scaling issues with that kind of game that have nothing to do with technology and everything to do with players be kill happy locusts.
Minecraft works and works well because it has a limited scope. Take any Minecraft server and scale it up to 1,000 people and you'll have issues just navigating the landscape, never mind surviving the trip to get to unmolested land.
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Also, not everyone wants the same thing. Some people do want the graphics and theme park attractions and some people have no interest in playing an MMORPG for more than a month or two. So yes, some people do want to play a sandbox game like Minecraft and they have no interest in the latest 3D graphics, but those people are probably a minority of MMORPG players.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
If that was a MMORPG it would have beaten all the others.
The new generation just needs to be introduced to a good game.
Play Minecraft on a server with 100 people that you don't know and then get back to us on that one.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Originally posted by Loktofeit Originally posted by greg4096Look at the success of Minecraft.If that was a MMORPG it would have beaten all the others.The new generation just needs to be introduced to a good game.
Play Minecraft on a server with 100 people that you don't know and then get back to us on that one.
I play on a server with 150 player slots and they are often full. With 150 people, it works, but it's because the devs are very active in the game to curb behavior. It's the first server I've been on where trying to travel out of the spawn area isn't a parkour run and where the players in diamond armor aren't clustered around the exit point to the wilderness farming new players. I don't think it would scale to 1,000 people, much less thousands of people.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Best thing about my Minecraft server is that it's MY sandbox, not yours.
When I build a massive structure and surround it in lava waterfalls, spending hours doing so (real men play survival mode only lol), I know when I log back in it will still be there.
I want both (sandbox + stunning graphics). I think cutscenes have proven to be something that can be overdone, but are a useful tool if used artfully and sparingly.
I don't mind themepark only on the condition that it is contained within a sandbox.
I wouldn't mind a "sand box", just so long as there isn't forced PvP. Unforunately, "sand box" to many people means unlimited ganking and griefing. That automatically niches a game in the western markets. My main focus is on game play. But nice eye candy graphics (like TERA's) are nice too.
By the way, I speak only for myself, and so do you.
Originally posted by Whitebeards I want a sandbox but i also want stunning graphics. And i didn't vote for you to speak on my behalf.
Agreed, its not a case of one or the other, minecraft is a shining example of how succussfull a well designed sandbox can be. It looks the way it does out of necessiity. The team hasnt the resources to do both but a large development studio easily could, its just that the big funding isnt ther......yet. I say stay tuned.
I wouldn't mind a "sand box", just so long as there isn't forced PvP. Unforunately, "sand box" to many people means unlimited ganking and griefing. That automatically niches a game in the western markets. My main focus is on game play. But nice eye candy graphics (like TERA's) are nice too.
By the way, I speak only for myself, and so do you.
Your correct, there is this misconception that only PvPers like sandboxes. Huh? Say what? I can absolutely gaurentee you there are far more people to support a non Free for all full loot PvP sandbox then there are PvPers that want it. Far far more.
Dont get me wrong I want a little PvP in my Fantasy sandbox as well just not the prison planet implementations that are DF and Mortal Online.
I wouldn't mind a "sand box", just so long as there isn't forced PvP. Unforunately, "sand box" to many people means unlimited ganking and griefing. That automatically niches a game in the western markets. My main focus is on game play. But nice eye candy graphics (like TERA's) are nice too.
By the way, I speak only for myself, and so do you.
I enjoy PvP and I think it should be an option in any complete title. However, I think it is unfortunate that the term Sandbox has been linked to FFA/Full loot. There is no reason for this because FFA/FL PvP and Sandbox can be completely mutually exclusive, which would add some wider appeal to sandbox games.
Predatory PvPers who insist that Sandboxes must have this are essentially non-consenters. You can take that however you want.
By the way, I don't mind when people use broad address as a written flourish. I know the OP is not pretending to represent everyone, and my voice is not in any way stifled by his use of the assumed population as a descriptor.
Best thing about my Minecraft server is that it's MY sandbox, not yours.
When I build a massive structure and surround it in lava waterfalls, spending hours doing so (real men play survival mode only lol), I know when I log back in it will still be there.
pretty much "this".
Op, you have to think a bit. There is a difference in people building and creating and people building nad creating and having to put up with others.
All it proves is that people enjoy creating. But newsflash, "building blocks", legos, tinkertoys, erector sets, etc have been strong sellers for years. Minecraft just allows for a more advanced version of these games that appeal more to adults.
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Originally posted by Whitebeards I want a sandbox but i also want stunning graphics. And i didn't vote for you to speak on my behalf.
This right here.
I am also a big fan of the SWTOR cutscenes. And I can't wait for DF:UW, also waiting for the relaunch of FFXIV. Maybe there are some of us that want to play a sandbox, want to play a game with great cutscenes and want a game with awesome graphics...
But yeah, minecraft, I'm sure that needs to be the future of MMO's
there was and still is this online game where people can claim land and build structures on their land,those structures gives boosts to your stats and you can also build defensive turrets and such.
Other players can try to destroy what you have built and they can also try to claim your land.
What makes this interesting ,everything,I do want to defend my own land,it gives a good reason to fight and also i want to get more land if possible, atleast i want to try,1 huge reason is those hand made stuctures ,made by me or my friends or my enemies (hear me Planetside 2)
its far more complicated than my simple example since theres also 3 factions,alliances and all kind of cool stuff.
For me its pretty much best PvP experience in MMORP gaming and if their building mechanics were something like they have in Minecraft,it would be even better.
Besides there allready is Minecraft like fps-shooter,i dont see any problems why there cant be MMORPG version.
Best thing about my Minecraft server is that it's MY sandbox, not yours.
When I build a massive structure and surround it in lava waterfalls, spending hours doing so (real men play survival mode only lol), I know when I log back in it will still be there.
pretty much "this".
Op, you have to think a bit. There is a difference in people building and creating and people building nad creating and having to put up with others.
All it proves is that people enjoy creating. But newsflash, "building blocks", legos, tinkertoys, erector sets, etc have been strong sellers for years. Minecraft just allows for a more advanced version of these games that appeal more to adults.
The difference is that the experience is more varied when there are others involved in the same activity. The reference to someone knocking down the castle when I'm offline tells me that person should stick to single-player games (not the subject of this site) for that experience.
If you have no interface with other players at all, why bother playing an MMO? A singleplayer game will surely have better graphics, events tailored to you, etc. And you won't have to worry about other players looking at your activities.
If that was a MMORPG it would have beaten all the others.
The new generation just needs to be introduced to a good game.
If you want a MMO based on crafting and world building then go play Salem. Wurm or some other crafting sim.
Players of MMO's want certain elements of sandbox but they prefer the easability and action orientated themepark model. This isn't to say that there shouldn't be some sandbox elements blended into the themepark genre but by and large themepark will always outweigh any sandbox game.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
I do wish people would get over this habit of speaking for everyone.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Best thing about my Minecraft server is that it's MY sandbox, not yours.
When I build a massive structure and surround it in lava waterfalls, spending hours doing so (real men play survival mode only lol), I know when I log back in it will still be there.
pretty much "this".
Op, you have to think a bit. There is a difference in people building and creating and people building nad creating and having to put up with others.
All it proves is that people enjoy creating. But newsflash, "building blocks", legos, tinkertoys, erector sets, etc have been strong sellers for years. Minecraft just allows for a more advanced version of these games that appeal more to adults.
The difference is that the experience is more varied when there are others involved in the same activity. The reference to someone knocking down the castle when I'm offline tells me that person should stick to single-player games (not the subject of this site) for that experience.
If you have no interface with other players at all, why bother playing an MMO? A singleplayer game will surely have better graphics, events tailored to you, etc. And you won't have to worry about other players looking at your activities.
"which" is why there is s difference between minecraft's success and transferring that success to a sandbox mmo.
Thanks for supporting the point.
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If that was a MMORPG it would have beaten all the others.
The new generation just needs to be introduced to a good game.
If you want a MMO based on crafting and world building then go play Salem. Wurm or some other crafting sim.
Players of MMO's want certain elements of sandbox but they prefer the easability and action orientated themepark model. This isn't to say that there shouldn't be some sandbox elements blended into the themepark genre but by and large themepark will always outweigh any sandbox game.
Haha thanks for that. A good laugh to start the day. For your temerity you win today's Awesome Gaming Joystick award!
Here id the conundrum. Yes I absolutely believe almost everyone wants a game where they can effect the world. (Affect, effect? Hmm). However I also firmly believe almost no one wants a game where their eirk effort and gameplay can be significantly affected by someone else
In a gamr that let's you affect things and people those dichotomies are hard to rationalize togetherness.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
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Play Minecraft on a large, multiplayer server before you say Minecraft is an example of a sandbox MMORPG waiting to happen. There are scaling issues with that kind of game that have nothing to do with technology and everything to do with players be kill happy locusts.
Minecraft works and works well because it has a limited scope. Take any Minecraft server and scale it up to 1,000 people and you'll have issues just navigating the landscape, never mind surviving the trip to get to unmolested land.
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Also, not everyone wants the same thing. Some people do want the graphics and theme park attractions and some people have no interest in playing an MMORPG for more than a month or two. So yes, some people do want to play a sandbox game like Minecraft and they have no interest in the latest 3D graphics, but those people are probably a minority of MMORPG players.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Play Minecraft on a server with 100 people that you don't know and then get back to us on that one.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
I don't mean to say that it can scale and I take back that it specifically could become a MMORPG without vast changes
My point is that
a) people like sandbox where you have permanent effects on your world
b) graphics is less important than gameplay.
Why not stunning graphics and sandbox as well as cutscenes ?
Or atleast just stunning graphics and sandbox ?
This.
Single-player gamers =/= MMO gamers
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
I play on a server with 150 player slots and they are often full. With 150 people, it works, but it's because the devs are very active in the game to curb behavior. It's the first server I've been on where trying to travel out of the spawn area isn't a parkour run and where the players in diamond armor aren't clustered around the exit point to the wilderness farming new players. I don't think it would scale to 1,000 people, much less thousands of people.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Best thing about my Minecraft server is that it's MY sandbox, not yours.
When I build a massive structure and surround it in lava waterfalls, spending hours doing so (real men play survival mode only lol), I know when I log back in it will still be there.
Hallelujah.
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I want both (sandbox + stunning graphics). I think cutscenes have proven to be something that can be overdone, but are a useful tool if used artfully and sparingly.
I don't mind themepark only on the condition that it is contained within a sandbox.
Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011
I wouldn't mind a "sand box", just so long as there isn't forced PvP. Unforunately, "sand box" to many people means unlimited ganking and griefing. That automatically niches a game in the western markets. My main focus is on game play. But nice eye candy graphics (like TERA's) are nice too.
By the way, I speak only for myself, and so do you.
Agreed, its not a case of one or the other, minecraft is a shining example of how succussfull a well designed sandbox can be. It looks the way it does out of necessiity. The team hasnt the resources to do both but a large development studio easily could, its just that the big funding isnt ther......yet. I say stay tuned.
Your correct, there is this misconception that only PvPers like sandboxes. Huh? Say what? I can absolutely gaurentee you there are far more people to support a non Free for all full loot PvP sandbox then there are PvPers that want it. Far far more.
Dont get me wrong I want a little PvP in my Fantasy sandbox as well just not the prison planet implementations that are DF and Mortal Online.
I enjoy PvP and I think it should be an option in any complete title. However, I think it is unfortunate that the term Sandbox has been linked to FFA/Full loot. There is no reason for this because FFA/FL PvP and Sandbox can be completely mutually exclusive, which would add some wider appeal to sandbox games.
Predatory PvPers who insist that Sandboxes must have this are essentially non-consenters. You can take that however you want.
By the way, I don't mind when people use broad address as a written flourish. I know the OP is not pretending to represent everyone, and my voice is not in any way stifled by his use of the assumed population as a descriptor.
Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011
lol this ^^
pretty much "this".
Op, you have to think a bit. There is a difference in people building and creating and people building nad creating and having to put up with others.
All it proves is that people enjoy creating. But newsflash, "building blocks", legos, tinkertoys, erector sets, etc have been strong sellers for years. Minecraft just allows for a more advanced version of these games that appeal more to adults.
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Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
This right here.
I am also a big fan of the SWTOR cutscenes. And I can't wait for DF:UW, also waiting for the relaunch of FFXIV. Maybe there are some of us that want to play a sandbox, want to play a game with great cutscenes and want a game with awesome graphics...
But yeah, minecraft, I'm sure that needs to be the future of MMO's
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Somehow this went to PvP talk.
there was and still is this online game where people can claim land and build structures on their land,those structures gives boosts to your stats and you can also build defensive turrets and such.
Other players can try to destroy what you have built and they can also try to claim your land.
What makes this interesting ,everything,I do want to defend my own land,it gives a good reason to fight and also i want to get more land if possible, atleast i want to try,1 huge reason is those hand made stuctures ,made by me or my friends or my enemies (hear me Planetside 2)
its far more complicated than my simple example since theres also 3 factions,alliances and all kind of cool stuff.
For me its pretty much best PvP experience in MMORP gaming and if their building mechanics were something like they have in Minecraft,it would be even better.
Besides there allready is Minecraft like fps-shooter,i dont see any problems why there cant be MMORPG version.
Let's internet
The difference is that the experience is more varied when there are others involved in the same activity. The reference to someone knocking down the castle when I'm offline tells me that person should stick to single-player games (not the subject of this site) for that experience.
If you have no interface with other players at all, why bother playing an MMO? A singleplayer game will surely have better graphics, events tailored to you, etc. And you won't have to worry about other players looking at your activities.
Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011
If you want a MMO based on crafting and world building then go play Salem. Wurm or some other crafting sim.
Players of MMO's want certain elements of sandbox but they prefer the easability and action orientated themepark model. This isn't to say that there shouldn't be some sandbox elements blended into the themepark genre but by and large themepark will always outweigh any sandbox game.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
"which" is why there is s difference between minecraft's success and transferring that success to a sandbox mmo.
Thanks for supporting the point.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Haha thanks for that. A good laugh to start the day. For your temerity you win today's Awesome Gaming Joystick award!
Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011
In a gamr that let's you affect things and people those dichotomies are hard to rationalize togetherness.