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Negativity killed the cat.

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  • meddyckmeddyck Athens, GAPosts: 1,140Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    Players complaining about lack of item progression -> Anet gives them item progression <- Players complaining Anet promised there will be no item progression.

     

    You have some fair points. But they are undermined by the fact that you don't seem to realize the players who were complaining about lack of item progression are a totally different set of players than the ones who are now complaining about the addition of item progression.

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  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon

    I think the negativity has reached GW2 because people have reached end game and not finding much to do after that

    Persoally I think people take negativity way too seriously, and do not use it to see any good. One bad thing seems to make the whole thing bad? Which to me seems unreasnonable

    If someone was complaining about a game being Linear, whereas previous games were a sandbox, and I was looking for a Linear game for a change, then that would not be a negative TO ME.

    I NEVER take any negativity on the forums about MMOs seriously, in the fact it makes me stop playing the games because I like them. With SWG, the more the people hated on it the more I played it and opened up more accounts. What can get to me however, is if friends in game keep bashing it, and some MMOs (not SWG as there was plenty to do even by yourself) need other players to play, so if they all leave then you can not enjoy the game then, unlike a flat.

    If you do find yourself hating something because of what other people say, then there is usually truth to it, but if you stop hating something after the negativity goes away, then you can tolerate the bad things, whereas others can not.

    I have not yet played GW2 but none of the negativity being posted about it will stop me playing it one day. What will stop me from playing it will be my own opinion of the game, but for now I am avoiding it due NCSofts mishandling of the City of Heroes shut down. Also apparently NC Soft has been struggling since the COH closure, and they are heading into Bankruptcy, so if that does happen I wonder what will happen to GW2? If it gets shut down then getting involved with the game will end up being a waste of time, but chances are they will try and sell it off.

  • dinamsdinams Muriae, VAPosts: 1,362Member

    Agreed

     

    "It has potential"
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    "It sucks"
    -Most used phrase on existence

  • LobotomistLobotomist ZagrebPosts: 5,060Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Banquetto

     


    Originally posted by QuicklyScott
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    Koliko dobro govori hrvatski? Ne kao da govori engleski, vjerojatno.

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  • RimmersmanRimmersman MonacoPosts: 885Member
    Originally posted by QuicklyScott

    So this is basically a "don't say bad things about my game" thread.

     

    Perhaps you should not even come to these forums or any internet forum if that is what you wish.

     

     

    Also, if you went to University, you should have a basic comprehension of English.  Please make an effort.

    That's what this thread is about, it's a "don't say bad things about GW2" even if it's genuine concerns. Thing is if you look at his post history he is actually guilty of what he is complaining about lol.

    Stones and glass houses comes to mind.

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  • skydiver12skydiver12 burgundPosts: 432Member

    Denial killed the cat.

    It's a personal flaw if you can't be headstrong enough to enjoy things despite other's dont.
    It's the reason people like that can't take critics directed at a game they play, because they put their personal stake in it.

    The only right opinion is their own anyway. They can't deal with the fact other's don't agree with them. They also lack compassion as soon as they go online.


    They are the reason the MMO is so bad in shape as it is. They create the very hostile environments in forums. They are the reason valueable feedback never reaches developers. Everything get's flooded down with denial and downplay also known as "fanboyism".


    "It can't be bad!!!!! Because i like the game, i don't play class x but it can't be bad because i like class y! Stop whinning, you are destroying my game hater!"

    They are the reason so many negativity threads get created in order to be heard. They scream louder than any initial complain made and try to deny anyone but themselves to be heard.


    And the sad (funny) part is, they don't even realize their selfishness is the very reason to start the circle.

    Someone pointing out flaws to the developers does not deny you to enjoy it still, but you want to deny him the right to give feedback in forums.

    This is where all the trouble starts and ends.

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 20,008Member Uncommon
    The reason negativity bothers or influences some people so much is deep down they agree with the truth being presented, but the part of them that lives in denial recoils in protest demanding people stop speaking it to them.

    No where is this more evident than in forums such as this one.

    In my day MMORPG's were so hard we fought our way through dungeons in the snow, uphill both ways.
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  • logun24x7logun24x7 hamilton, ONPosts: 7Member
    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    Here is a example from real life:

    In my student days i used to live in a flat that i rented together with 3 mates. It was not great but as student money is in short supply, and we had all we needed. Yet one of the mates kept constantly complaining about everything. Slowly we all started hating that flat. But than that mate left, and slowly things started going back to normal and we again enjoyed our living quarters.

    I guess I have learned there, how negativity can paint black even a good thing.

     

    And ammount of negativity in gamer circles this days is astonding. I think we all know it and i will give no examples.

     

    Its like a sickness of todays gamer community and its spreading. It now reached GW2.

    This virus needs no big thing to fuel it. Any little thing can be a reason.

    For example:

    Players complaining about lack of item progression -> Anet gives them item progression <- Players complaining Anet promised there will be no item progression.

    Its slippery slope of negativity.

     

    Honestly its ruining every game for me.

    So this is what I decided to do. (and tend to do with any game that I enjoy)

    1. If you enjoy the game. Stop reading negativity treads - it will eventually effect you and ruin the game for you.

    2. If you have things you dont like about the game (and we all have) - Is it so big an issue that you dont want to play the game anymore ? No ? You enjoy the game still - make your case known. But dont dwell on it to much. Enjoy the things you do like.

    3. The issue is so big you can not enjoy the game anymore ? Its a bummer. Give the game a pause.Perhaps try planetside ?

     

    So all in all. Negativity will ruin the game for you - even if you enjoy it.

    Avoid taking part in it.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    The funniest thing about this post (and I mean no disrespect to the OP when I say this)

    Is, It was a crappie flat. All your mate did was point out what was wrong with it. You started hating the flat because you agreed with your mate. The only thing your mate did was prevent you from suspending your perception that your flat was ok. The flat didn’t get better when your mate left you could just go back to ignoring the problems.

    People complain because they have a problem. Some people see the problems and other don’t, but if reading someone’s issues with the game makes you feel differently about the game then just maybe what they’re saying is true even if you refuse to see it.

  • SeariasSearias Edmonton, ABPosts: 712Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Rimmersman
    Originally posted by QuicklyScott

    So this is basically a "don't say bad things about my game" thread.

     

    Perhaps you should not even come to these forums or any internet forum if that is what you wish.

     

     

    Also, if you went to University, you should have a basic comprehension of English.  Please make an effort.

    That's what this thread is about, it's a "don't say bad things about GW2" even if it's genuine concerns. Thing is if you look at his post history he is actually guilty of what he is complaining about lol.

    Stones and glass houses comes to mind.

    Nice catch, just looked at his post history  hehe. He is contradicting himself with this post.

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  • JorlJorl SunderlandPosts: 257Member

    You will find that most people who are very negitive and even abusive are the ones who have issues in every day to day life. It is very easy to cyber bully/troll and get away with abusing negitive behaviour.

    But I agree, don't read up on the negitive, find out for your self and if you enjoy it good, if you don't then find something else. That goes for every one, including those who write whiney, bitchy threads. I've went back to World of Warcraft, and I'm really enjoying it now that the new expansion is out. I find the panda's stupid and funny and I love it!

  • KalestonKaleston TrinecPosts: 173Member
    Originally posted by Rimmersman
    Originally posted by QuicklyScott

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    Can you guys tell me where exactly OP says "don't say bad things" ? I read "don't read negative things about game you enjoy or it may ruin it for you". Prove me wrong, please.

    I very agree with OP. Too much negativity can spoil your view of anything (not only game... movie, person... anything). I actually do the same, I try to avoid negative threads as much as possible. On the other hand that should not mean, you can't voice your opinion. Tell what you want and go away. If you get caught in circle of trolling and hating, you will be lost.

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 20,008Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Kaleston
    Originally posted by Rimmersman
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    Can you guys tell me where exactly OP says "don't say bad things" ? I read "don't read negative things about game you enjoy or it may ruin it for you". Prove me wrong, please.

    I very agree with OP. Too much negativity can spoil your view of anything (not only game... movie, person... anything). I actually do the same, I try to avoid negative threads as much as possible. On the other hand that should not mean, you can't voice your opinion. Tell what you want and go away. If you get caught in circle of trolling and hating, you will be lost.

    Well it shouldn't.  If you enjoy or support something then other people's thoughts should have no influence on how you feel about it.

    But if you harbor doubts about your beliefs/convictions, then I agree, negativity will bring those doubts to the surface, and perhaps make you see things in a different light and change your mind about the subject at hand.

    This does not mean the negativity was a bad thing, or that you were somehow harmed by it, rather think of it as an enlightening process, and you are now the better for it. 

    You are now free to go enjoy something you really like rather than something you were fooling yourself into thinking you did.

    In my day MMORPG's were so hard we fought our way through dungeons in the snow, uphill both ways.
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  • SwaneaSwanea Vegas, NVPosts: 2,368Member Uncommon
    This forum is quite well known for how posters berate games.  While it's nice to see this, it won't do anything.  People will still hate on MO, GW2, WoW, ToR, Etc.
  • MaelzraelMaelzrael Las Cruces, NMPosts: 354Member Uncommon
    Players have become ungratful for the amazing games we have been given to enjoy. They spend all their time bitching about tiny problems in an otherwise good game. Op u agree with u. If ppl spent this much time tryin to fix the economy or the government we would be slot better off

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  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,215Member Uncommon
    I don't think enough people understand the difference between constructive criticism and endless whining. If you're not part of the solution.........

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member
    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    Group A Players complaining about lack of item progression -> Anet gives them item progression <- Group B Players complaining Anet promised there will be no item progression.

    Its slippery slope of negativity.

    Well, you're using slippery slope incorrectly, and you're talking about different players as if they're the same guy.

    But other than that, an op designed for extreme viewpoints, should work great.

    (Naturally, we cannot require you to demonstrate that A=B here.  All we can do is present the assumptive flaw.)

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • LobotomistLobotomist ZagrebPosts: 5,060Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Searias
    Originally posted by Rimmersman
    Originally posted by QuicklyScott

    So this is basically a "don't say bad things about my game" thread.

     

    Perhaps you should not even come to these forums or any internet forum if that is what you wish.

     

     

    Also, if you went to University, you should have a basic comprehension of English.  Please make an effort.

    That's what this thread is about, it's a "don't say bad things about GW2" even if it's genuine concerns. Thing is if you look at his post history he is actually guilty of what he is complaining about lol.

    Stones and glass houses comes to mind.

    Nice catch, just looked at his post history  hehe. He is contradicting himself with this post.

    How so ?

    I never said do not criticise games. I say If you want to enjoy the game , avoid negativity topic about it cause it might ruin it for you

     

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  • RandaynRandayn Sellersville, PAPosts: 883Member Uncommon

    we sold over 2m copies of a generic game...WHAAA!

    People are being negative and saying mean things about us....WHAAA!

    WHAAA!  WHAAA! WHAAA!

    There is nothing better than the forums.  We finally have the chance to actually state our opinions and give real reviews of games.  Is it going to be negative...hell yeah...but there will be a counter-balance of positive.

    if you can't take the heat, get the f@#$ out the kitchen.

    It's hypocritical to whine about whiners.

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  • dreamscaperdreamscaper Somewhere, NCPosts: 1,582Member Uncommon
    It's for this very reason that I've been less and less active on forums (including this one).  The constant negativity has been killing my interest in games that I would otherwise be enjoying.

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  • MumboJumboMumboJumbo LondonPosts: 3,221Member
    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    Here is a example from real life:

    In my student days i used to live in a flat that i rented together with 3 mates. It was not great but as student money is in short supply, and we had all we needed. Yet one of the mates kept constantly complaining about everything. Slowly we all started hating that flat. But than that mate left, and slowly things started going back to normal and we again enjoyed our living quarters.

    I guess I have learned there, how negativity can paint black even a good thing.

    This is 100% true. Everyone needs to help bail water in a leaky ship and share rations! Throw any "Jonas" overboard to boost morale!

     

    Originally posted by Lobotomist

     

    So all in all. Negativity will ruin the game for you - even if you enjoy it.

    Avoid taking part in it.

    And ammount of negativity in gamer circles this days is astonding. I think we all know it and i will give no examples.

    Its like a sickness of todays gamer community and its spreading. It now reached GW2.

    This virus needs no big thing to fuel it. Any little thing can be a reason.

     

    Agree, game discussion is too negative often: A lack of CONTRUCTIVE CRITICISM is just venting on the internet (not just games but any forum of commentators on any subject!).

     

  • daeandordaeandor Houston, TXPosts: 2,996Member
    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    Honestly its ruining every game for me.

    So this is what I decided to do. (and tend to do with any game that I enjoy)

    1. If you enjoy the game. Stop reading negativity treads - it will eventually effect you and ruin the game for you.

    2. If you have things you dont like about the game (and we all have) - Is it so big an issue that you dont want to play the game anymore ? No ? You enjoy the game still - make your case known. But dont dwell on it to much. Enjoy the things you do like.

    3. The issue is so big you can not enjoy the game anymore ? Its a bummer. Give the game a pause.Perhaps try planetside ?

     

    So all in all. Negativity will ruin the game for you - even if you enjoy it.

    Avoid taking part in it.

      

    You win at life friend.  Seriously.

    As you have noticed, the global society has produced an odd problem:  Negative comments, news, etc gets more attention than positive actions, comments, news, etc.  Among youth in western societies, where +1's, likes, etc are registered, counted and tabulated for everyone and every post or comment made, value is placed on those cyber "pluses."  Negative comments  always garner more attention because they create controversy.  Positive comments are agreed to and passed over without controversy.  No different among gaming communities.

     

    I will say this:  In the days of EQ AC and UO being the only primary western mmorpgs, you had more loyalty for one reason: lack of choice.  You either liked one or you didn't, and you adapted to your chosen mmorpg and found a way to enjoy it or completely quit.  

  • KanethKaneth Posts: 1,930Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by daeandor
    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    Honestly its ruining every game for me.

    So this is what I decided to do. (and tend to do with any game that I enjoy)

    1. If you enjoy the game. Stop reading negativity treads - it will eventually effect you and ruin the game for you.

    2. If you have things you dont like about the game (and we all have) - Is it so big an issue that you dont want to play the game anymore ? No ? You enjoy the game still - make your case known. But dont dwell on it to much. Enjoy the things you do like.

    3. The issue is so big you can not enjoy the game anymore ? Its a bummer. Give the game a pause.Perhaps try planetside ?

     

    So all in all. Negativity will ruin the game for you - even if you enjoy it.

    Avoid taking part in it.

      

    You win at life friend.  Seriously.

    As you have noticed, the global society has produced an odd problem:  Negative comments, news, etc gets more attention than positive actions, comments, news, etc.  Among youth in western societies, where +1's, likes, etc are registered, counted and tabulated for everyone and every post or comment made, value is placed on those cyber "pluses."  Negative comments  always garner more attention because they create controversy.  Positive comments are agreed to and passed over without controversy.  No different among gaming communities.

     

    I will say this:  In the days of EQ AC and UO being the only primary western mmorpgs, you had more loyalty for one reason: lack of choice.  You either liked one or you didn't, and you adapted to your chosen mmorpg and found a way to enjoy it or completely quit.  

    You last sentence is truly golden. In '99 I played AC, I didn't care for UO when I tried it, and I never saw the appeal of EQ. Not once did I ever go to a EQ or UO forum and spew out all sorts of hate for the game. I read the AC forums for news, fun, theorizing where the story would go based off new lore, etc. It was a really good time.

    Now, if I get bored with a game, I'll stop playing. However, when I try to go read the forums to find a new idea of how to play to respark my interest all I see is tons of threads of whining, pissing and moaning. Which of course defeats the whole purpose.

    Honestly, the best thing anyone can ever do is just not read the forums at all, and be blissfully ignorant of the general whiney consensus around any game.

  • ThorbrandThorbrand West Palm Beach, FLPosts: 1,198Member

    People will be negative to a game that doesn't deliver the contant for it to be a MMO. You appear to think it is the gamers fault that they should just blindly play games that don't stand up to what a MMO should be and are obviouly lacking in featrues and contant compared to MMOs that actually last for more than a year.

    It is the casual death of MMOs!

  • VeryDustyVeryDusty Ann Arbor, MIPosts: 53Member
    Originally posted by Thorbrand

    People will be negative to a game that doesn't deliver the contant for it to be a MMO. You appear to think it is the gamers fault that they should just blindly play games that don't stand up to what a MMO should be and are obviouly lacking in featrues and contant compared to MMOs that actually last for more than a year.

    It is the casual death of MMOs!

    I don't think that to be true. I do think that gamers have a particular opinion or expectation for a game ( it may be realistic or not) and if the game doesn't fit what they expect, instead of just not playing any more and voting with their wallet, they go on forums and complain and whine. Does that really do anything? In Rift, it did happen with Saboteurs and then other build used by Rogues and made the class at one point hard to play in PvE (it was the PvPers complaining). Rather than look at how they could mitigate or change how the damge was caused they instead totally nerfed a class.

     

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  • TorikTorik London, ONPosts: 2,343Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    Here is a example from real life:

    In my student days i used to live in a flat that i rented together with 3 mates. It was not great but as student money is in short supply, and we had all we needed. Yet one of the mates kept constantly complaining about everything. Slowly we all started hating that flat. But than that mate left, and slowly things started going back to normal and we again enjoyed our living quarters.

    I guess I have learned there, how negativity can paint black even a good thing.

     

     

    I lived with roommates while in university.  However, in our case a little negativity would have probably really helped.  We were so focused on the now and only caring about the positive things that we tended to forget that all of us were utter slobs and noone had actually bothered to take out the grabage or clean the bathroom in over a month.   We really could have used some negativity in our lives there.  :)

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