Negativity killed the cat.

Lobotomist · November 2012

Here is a example from real life:

In my student days i used to live in a flat that i rented together with 3 mates. It was not great but as student money is in short supply, and we had all we needed. Yet one of the mates kept constantly complaining about everything. Slowly we all started hating that flat. But than that mate left, and slowly things started going back to normal and we again enjoyed our living quarters.

I guess I have learned there, how negativity can paint black even a good thing.

And ammount of negativity in gamer circles this days is astonding. I think we all know it and i will give no examples.

Its like a sickness of todays gamer community and its spreading. It now reached GW2.

This virus needs no big thing to fuel it. Any little thing can be a reason.

For example:

Players complaining about lack of item progression -> Anet gives them item progression <- Players complaining Anet promised there will be no item progression.

Its slippery slope of negativity.

Honestly its ruining every game for me.

So this is what I decided to do. (and tend to do with any game that I enjoy)

1. If you enjoy the game. Stop reading negativity treads - it will eventually effect you and ruin the game for you.

2. If you have things you dont like about the game (and we all have) - Is it so big an issue that you dont want to play the game anymore ? No ? You enjoy the game still - make your case known. But dont dwell on it to much. Enjoy the things you do like.

3. The issue is so big you can not enjoy the game anymore ? Its a bummer. Give the game a pause.Perhaps try planetside ?

So all in all. Negativity will ruin the game for you - even if you enjoy it.

Avoid taking part in it.

Krematory · November 2012

Good post. I totaly agree with your point of view

zomard100 · November 2012

Ok and how you explain WOW? Millions of haters, hate threads and wow is still earning good money. When i see some stupid post about my favorite game i don't even try to read. You really think that all of this forum haters are hardcore gamers or what? Go to some chat or forum about religion, sport or what ever and you will find same trolls trolling all day long.

Krematory · November 2012

@zomard: most WoW players don't even read the official forums, so the impact on the community is much lesser. However, every other MMO has a much smaller player base, and that's why I think you can feel that negativity a lot more.

someforumguy · November 2012

Originally posted by Lobotomist

What can we do ?

Well for one if you enjoy the game. Stop reading negativity treads - it will eventually effect you and ruin the game for you.

If you have things you dont like about the game (and we all have) - Is it so big an issue that you dont want to play the game anymore ? If so , just leave. If you enjoy the game still - make your case known.

So all in all. Stop ruining the game for yourselves.

So basically : Shut up and leave or play.

But what if you are a player who really cares about GW2 and sees changes that might change the game for the worse. This is what I see on the main forums (apart from the people who are just lashing out and venting). Most of those people who post , do that because they do care a lot about GW2.

I thought that this was common knowledge by now. It is never as black and white as you state. Even if the upcoming changes would make them leave, they would post in the hope to avert that because they love the game as it is now.

And this has been there from the earliest of MMO's. I never understand why people seem to forget that. As if this complaining is something new. There are just more people playing MMO's now.

Jayaris · November 2012

Hah, yes. If only nobody complained about anything the world would be a grand place, with no negativity the world would be perfect. Oh, naysayers, such the bane of humanity that you are.

Zolb · November 2012

I agree with the OP, but i still think the vast majority of players even in GW2 dont read sites like this or the official forums, even now i still see people moaning about gw2 and saying things that make me wonder if they are even playing the game.

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someforumguy · November 2012

Originally posted by Jayaris
Hah, yes. If only nobody complained about anything the world would be a grand place, with no negativity the world would be perfect. Oh, naysayers, such the bane of humanity that you are.

I wonder how many will realise that you are being sarcastic Oh well, my quote will help.

Lobotomist · November 2012

Originally posted by QuicklyScott
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Ok - Quick Intelligence check !

Q: Are all forum posters on mmorpg.com native english speakers ?

A: No

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Searias · November 2012

Oh buddy, you have to understand that everyone has their own opinions when it comes to games. One can like a game for a certain function and another could hate it for that same thing so, you can't really go around telling people to get lost if they want to speak their mind. Also, that person you said who was hesitant about buying the game due to complaints, maybe his views are akin to those who wrote them, and him buying the game might be a bad decision for him.

Lobotomist · November 2012

Originally posted by Searias
Oh buddy, you have to understand that everyone has their own opinions when it comes to games. One can like a game for a certain function and another could hate it for that same thing so, you can't really go around telling people to get lost if they want to speak their mind. Also, that person you said who was hesitant about buying the game due to complaints, maybe his views are akin to those who wrote them, and him buying the game might be a bad decision for him.

I say good that god dont have forums for rose in 2012.

All we would read would be:

- Rose sucks ! Why thorns !

- To much red roses not enough black !

- Rose is boring , no variety !

- Rose whiters to quick , money grabbing scheme !

Phry · November 2012

Originally posted by Searias
Oh buddy, you have to understand that everyone has their own opinions when it comes to games. One can like a game for a certain function and another could hate it for that same thing so, you can't really go around telling people to get lost if they want to speak their mind. Also, that person you said who was hesitant about buying the game due to complaints, maybe his views are akin to those who wrote them, and him buying the game might be a bad decision for him.

i've been burned several times on games that i thought were going to be awesome - so much so that these days i prefer to hear it from other players, rather than 'official hype' from companies that have a vested interest in 'selling' their game, i'd rather hear the good and the bad from actual players, and make my decisions based on those, especially for games that do not have a free trial.

Its good that the OP is happy with the game, but its very niaive to think that its just player word of mouth that is creating problems, where there is negativity, there is often an issue that needs to be addressed, ignoring problems has never been a solution to anything.

But even if there is some negativity surrounding the game, there is also a great deal of positive feedback too, or is the OP suggesting that people should not talk about that either

Calerxes · November 2012

The problem is confusing constructive criticism with negativity, we need and also dev's need constuctive criticism as games would never evolve. The latest critique over Ascended gear is needed as AN will learn from forum opinion and more importantly ingame metrics how to deal with the problem and that problem they are trying to solve is due to many players understanding why they have lost interest in the game and expressing that on forums and by stopping playing. I don't think AN would be doing something like this if it wasn't effecting their bottom line and that at the end of the day is what keeps a MMO healthy, at least with the criticism over progression AN have a place to start correcting the issue how they do that in the long run is anyones guess but without the criticism from many players they'd be in the dark and the game would continue to suffer. So Lobo you reall are quite wrong in your initial thoughts don't look at all criticism as negative because it isn't, its from players that would like to see a good game grow and not shrink like many others have in the past.

Lobotomist · November 2012

Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Searias
Oh buddy, you have to understand that everyone has their own opinions when it comes to games. One can like a game for a certain function and another could hate it for that same thing so, you can't really go around telling people to get lost if they want to speak their mind. Also, that person you said who was hesitant about buying the game due to complaints, maybe his views are akin to those who wrote them, and him buying the game might be a bad decision for him.

i've been burned several times on games that i thought were going to be awesome - so much so that these days i prefer to hear it from other players, rather than 'official hype' from companies that have a vested interest in 'selling' their game, i'd rather hear the good and the bad from actual players, and make my decisions based on those, especially for games that do not have a free trial.

Its good that the OP is happy with the game, but its very niaive to think that its just player word of mouth that is creating problems, where there is negativity, there is often an issue that needs to be addressed, ignoring problems has never been a solution to anything.

But even if there is some negativity surrounding the game, there is also a great deal of positive feedback too, or is the OP suggesting that people should not talk about that either

Well...no

What I am saying, as someone that been following this and other gaming forums - is that new flawor of "internet" is negativity.

Sure everyone has issue with one thing or other in a game , appartment , piece of furniture , computer screen ... whatever you can imagine.

But new trend is - go on forums and publicaly complain , bitch , whine , about everything possible.

It was always present but never in this big cesspool of negativity.

Two friggin geniuses of video gaming - Bioware doctors , decided to leave game making forever because of this.

"We make games for people to enjoy. But the negativity was so great that we had impression we are somehow hurting people with our games" ... was the parting quote

This thread is not about GW2 , its about situation on gaming forums in general.

Purutzil · November 2012

Except 'negativity' and 'facts' are one in the same. When I say personally I felt the combat was a bit of a mess, I'm not saying it to be negative, I'm saying it because thats what I feel and I can even back up that 'negative' fact with plenty of details going into why.

You know what is bad? Being posative. If your viewing everything in a posative light you neglect the bad portions. Your able to glorify something that needs improvement and as such you are limiting its potential. Seeing only the posative allows for areas in which it is lack luster to only grow bigger and won't allow for improvements to occur.

So I ask you, don't read into purely posative stuff. Its only going to blind you. Its like a mouse in a maze. If you give him the cheese right at the begining, why should he suffer through the tricky maze that he might not completely enjoy when his reward is already given to him at the start?

Cod_Eye · November 2012

I don't have a problem with negativity as long as its constructive. There is a difference between someone saying xgame is crap to someone giving an explained paragraph or 2 with constructive reasoning to why that xgame is crap, whether I agree with that negative critism is my choice alone.

Somebodies negative reasons dont profoundly effect me on a whole, though I do get aggrivated by fanbois who don't see beyong their own nose and will never see any criticism of their game justified in any shape or form.

At the end of the day its how you percieve the negativity and how you respond to it, though having someone live with you with a bleak outlook on life will get you down.

Phry · November 2012

Originally posted by Lobotomist
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Searias
Oh buddy, you have to understand that everyone has their own opinions when it comes to games. One can like a game for a certain function and another could hate it for that same thing so, you can't really go around telling people to get lost if they want to speak their mind. Also, that person you said who was hesitant about buying the game due to complaints, maybe his views are akin to those who wrote them, and him buying the game might be a bad decision for him.

i've been burned several times on games that i thought were going to be awesome - so much so that these days i prefer to hear it from other players, rather than 'official hype' from companies that have a vested interest in 'selling' their game, i'd rather hear the good and the bad from actual players, and make my decisions based on those, especially for games that do not have a free trial.

Its good that the OP is happy with the game, but its very niaive to think that its just player word of mouth that is creating problems, where there is negativity, there is often an issue that needs to be addressed, ignoring problems has never been a solution to anything.

But even if there is some negativity surrounding the game, there is also a great deal of positive feedback too, or is the OP suggesting that people should not talk about that either

Well...no

What I am saying, as someone that been following this and other gaming forums - is that new flawor of "internet" is negativity.

Sure everyone has issue with one thing or other in a game , appartment , piece of furniture , computer screen ... whatever you can imagine.

But new trend is - go on forums and publicaly complain , bitch , whine , about everything possible.

It was always present but never in this big cesspool of negativity.

Two friggin geniuses of video gaming - Bioware doctors , decided to leave game making forever because of this.

"We make games for people to enjoy. But the negativity was so great that we had impression we are somehow hurting people with our games" ... was the parting quote

This thread is not about GW2 , its about situation on gaming forums in general.

i wouldnt say the trend is really all that negative, if anything i'd say that people are more prepared to speak their minds now than perhaps they have been in the past, and, there are a lot more people playing MMO's these days, a hell of a lot more. Its the same old story except with an online theme, 'nothing travels faster than bad news' its the same with tweeting tbh, bad news travels faster and gets noticed more than the positive stuff. We live in a more 'online' and 'connected' world now, more so with every passing month, never mind years. So rather than just getting a monthly dose of bad news in a specialist gaming magazine, you can now get it in a minute by minute fresh off the 'virtual' press, so, while you may get regular outbursts of 'both' positive and negative feedback about games, the negative stuff does get noticed more, apparently, and, bad news travels fast. You just have to personally 'filter' the real from the fake. As for the good doctors, while there are probably many opinions on that subject, even among themselves most likely. Somehow i doubt that a bit of negativity by forum posters really would have had such a devastating effect on their company, or the people within it, if however we do have that kind of commercial market power to affect them, then, i'm open to bribery

mymmo · November 2012

I do understand what you are saying and i agree with you. massivley (good site, with less haters around because their opinoins are voted downed. something to copy mmorpg.com?) had an good article about this recently.

My take on this is to turn off the general chat in my current game and just have guildchat on. I come to forums such as mmorpg to read news and seldome read stuff that the community is writing, mostly because its just trash And no, you as a player shoulnt make your opinion heared everytime you have something on your mind. That is what kids do..

Greyhooff · November 2012

I sort of agree, but not entirely.

However:

Good post, OP. Well put.

rounner · November 2012

And do you still live in that flat or have you moved somewhere nicer?

jondifool · November 2012

Originally posted by Lobotomist

1. If you enjoy the game. Stop reading negativity treads - it will eventually effect you and ruin the game for you.

2. If you have things you dont like about the game (and we all have) - Is it so big an issue that you dont want to play the game anymore ? No ? You enjoy the game still - make your case known. But dont dwell on it to much. Enjoy the things you do like.

3. The issue is so big you can not enjoy the game anymore ? Its a bummer. Give the game a pause.Perhaps try planetside ?

So all in all. Negativity will ruin the game for you - even if you enjoy it.

Avoid taking part in it.

To be honest then dear Lobo. What are you then doing in these forums?? Take your own advice and move on. These forums have always been for passionate gamers , but also often very disappointed gamers. There is bound to be alot of negativity here in some form or another.

I am dissapointed with GW2 atm , but i am still digesting why , and i am not running around rampant looking for someone to blame. But i do enjoy reading up what others think and feel, while the understanding settle. And later i proberly will try to voice my conklussion here. While i still enjoyed the game , i didn't even worried about reading thesse forum.

fivoroth · November 2012

@OP, I completely agree.

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Banquetto · November 2012

Originally posted by QuicklyScott
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Koliko dobro govori hrvatski? Ne kao da govori engleski, vjerojatno.

JeroKane · November 2012

Originally posted by Krematory
@zomard: most WoW players don't even read the official forums, so the impact on the community is much lesser. However, every other MMO has a much smaller player base, and that's why I think you can feel that negativity a lot more.

This same principle applies to every single game out there.

Forum negativity has no impact on GW2 ingame, just like it has no impact on other games.

When games fail, it's because of ingame and company (Customer support) related issues. Not because of some trolls on the internet.

Arenanet sold over 2 million units. If all 2 million people would read and write on the forums, the forums would explode and be down 99,9% of the time.

From those 2 million, if 30-50.000 people read and/or write on forums.... then it's a lot.

That's about 2% of the entire playerbase.

Myrdynn · November 2012

what do I do if pure Boredom killed the cat?

azzamasin · November 2012

Originally posted by Lobotomist
Here is a example from real life:

In my student days i used to live in a flat that i rented together with 3 mates. It was not great but as student money is in short supply, and we had all we needed. Yet one of the mates kept constantly complaining about everything. Slowly we all started hating that flat. But than that mate left, and slowly things started going back to normal and we again enjoyed our living quarters.

I guess I have learned there, how negativity can paint black even a good thing.

And ammount of negativity in gamer circles this days is astonding. I think we all know it and i will give no examples.

Its like a sickness of todays gamer community and its spreading. It now reached GW2.

This virus needs no big thing to fuel it. Any little thing can be a reason.

For example:

Players complaining about lack of item progression -> Anet gives them item progression <- Players complaining Anet promised there will be no item progression.

Its slippery slope of negativity.

Honestly its ruining every game for me.

So this is what I decided to do. (and tend to do with any game that I enjoy)

1. If you enjoy the game. Stop reading negativity treads - it will eventually effect you and ruin the game for you.

2. If you have things you dont like about the game (and we all have) - Is it so big an issue that you dont want to play the game anymore ? No ? You enjoy the game still - make your case known. But dont dwell on it to much. Enjoy the things you do like.

3. The issue is so big you can not enjoy the game anymore ? Its a bummer. Give the game a pause.Perhaps try planetside ?

So all in all. Negativity will ruin the game for you - even if you enjoy it.

Avoid taking part in it.

Exactly why I have pretty much given up on any sort of forums or message boards. Imagine my outlook on games if I ventured into AC or WoW forums at the begining of their life cycle.

Everytime I read negativity on a forums a part of that washes off on me and quells my will to play, then I detox myself by playing for 12 straight hours and all is well untill the next time I visit a forum site.

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