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  • someforumguysomeforumguy HomePosts: 3,540Member Uncommon

    I don't know about a mass exodus, but the new gear tier is also something I don't like. I closely followed GW2 during development and their ideas about what would be a fun game was something I completely agreed with. But now its as if they are slowly moving away from those ideas.

    My guildies will stay for now and see what impact the changes will create. I'm going back to running a modded Minecraft server for now. Maybe I'll check back in time , it is not as if I have to subscribe to GW2 to do that. Probably going to check Winterfest anyway.

  • Ethos86Ethos86 KortrijkPosts: 124Member

    These topics have been thrown on the forums since the 2nd week after launch.

    On the topic of population: 3 months have passed now, not a single server has been merged and all servers are full as shown on a screenshot in this topic before. If it's gonna keep progressing like this they might need to add servers with christmass, who knows. Luckily they have overflow servers, and probably hundreds of them during these events. Because otherwise I think yesterday only 10% of the people online would have experienced the game and the other 90% would have been in login queue's. It was already chaos and lag at time with so many people online, I wouldn't care if some people would have the game. On top of that I'm sure their store sells very good as well. Lots of friends of me have already put +200 € into the store since launch because they like the game and they want to support it.

     

    On the topic of ascended items: I got my ascended backpiece the first day playing fractals the new and very awesome mini dungeons (got it at lvl 2) I'm playing it because it's so much fun, nice environments and very cool and at higher level challengin (in the way of coordination) boss mechanics. So with the drop I receieved I needed to add 25g worth of mats and I already had my ascended backpiece with agony resitance! And 25g isn't much, it's 3 or maybe 4 evenigns of casual play and selling all the stuff you get to a vendor or on the trading post. I don't see where all the complaining is about. I already have gotten that rare drop "essence of the mists" needed to make your ascended backpiece a total of 5 times! I'm at lvl 8 now and I haven't yet seen a single mob where you needed that "agony resistance" for which is the new stat on those ascended items.

     

    They added vertical progression, needed only for the players who go deep into "fractals of the mists". So the people who don't like it, they will never have the need for it. People who love gear progression, will get it by taking on the challenge that this dungeon brings to it's highest levels. If only people understood that. There's more noice on the forums than in the game. I haven't heard 1 single person complaining in game. Everyone seems to love the fractals dungeon and people are helping each other, I know I am. I'm sending a lot of my extra loot (rare & exotic) from the dungeon for free to my guild members who are at lower difficulty lvl's which helps them to gear up faster.

     

    I would love to see how many % of the complainers on forums actually play the game, and of those who play the game how much of them actually quit the game over the uninformed statements they have made. The "ooh 5 points stat increas is still a stat increase" crowd is being rediculous about minor things while they probably forget to take food buffs boosting their dmg with a much larger margin.

    So, in short:

    1) No there's not a mass exodus.

    2) People who think Ascended items are really needed, please reconsider and don't leave a game you like just because of jumping the bandwagon in the hate of these new items. It's really not such a big impact. Do the Fractals dungeon yourself and see how much fun it is, it's really the best of all dungeons. And before you know you might get that Ascended piece while you are having fun just like I have. In any way, I did this dungeon over 30 times already because I like it so much and it's really fun with voice communication... and I haven't yet come to a situation where the gear we were wearing was of much importance. It's all in figuering out the boss mechanics and have the team coordination right when you need to sync some team actions.

  • ClawzonClawzon PitePosts: 192Member

    Exodus has begun for sure but perhaps not in very big masses yet though. However, there are not many new players joining the game so overall the population is decreasing.

     

     

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  • The_KorriganThe_Korrigan EastPosts: 2,630Member

    What exodus?

    Both Lion's Arch and the new island have overflows even at early morning hours.

    There's still a huge difference between what the negative people wish (I hated this game, so I want it to fail and I call doom on it, because if I hate something, it can only be bad) and reality.

    If you wonder why I don't answer your posts, it's most likely because you are on my block list - so don't waste your time.

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  • MargraveMargrave Knoxville, TNPosts: 634Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by The_Korrigan

    What exodus?

    Both Lion's Arch and the new island have overflows even at early morning hours.

    There's still a huge difference between what the negative people wish (I hated this game, so I want it to fail and I call doom on it, because if I hate something, it can only be bad) and reality.

     

    ^This

  • tokinitokini third hut on the leftPosts: 341Member Common
    Originally posted by Nailzzz

         I'm with the OP on this. It isnt that im against gear grinds. It is the dishonesty that is making me back away from the game. I still play it, but now i see my time there as rather temporary. Im only there till i find something else that shows promise. While i may continue to play that game, i will no longer support it with my money.

         I purchased GW2 based on the game i played and the direction the dev's informed us it was going when it released. It is no longer that kind of game now. We were told we could play it however we wanted and reguardless of what we prefer to do, we could get max stat end game gear by doing open world pve, dungeons(any), crafting, or pvp. Now we can only get max stat gear from a single dungeon (making all the other dungeons a waste of time now for those who dont care about aesthetics and making it harder to get groups for those that do).

         They say that legendaries will be equal to the new tier but since legendaries do not have the new resistance, they are actually inferiour since they are the same stats but without resistance. Which means that even if you have a legendary you will still need to obtain one of the new tier weapons anyway to be able to get into the higher lvl dungeon content.

         The new gear tier is unnecessary. It creates more problems and destroys thier credibility. It is also being used as a content gate with the varying resistance upgrades that will be put into it, making it yet another artificial barrier to playing with others which is something else they claimed they would not do.

         So yeah, dont mind gear grinds. I mind being lied to. If they never made the kind of claims they did about what the game was supposed to be, i wouldnt care. But i feel betrayed and as much as i used to cheerlead for them before on these forums, i will no longer spend any more effort on singing praises that Arenanet clearly doesnt deserve.

    as to your second paragraph, they have stated that ascended gear will eventually be available from pve, WvW, and 'already existing content'. we shall see.

     

    as far as ascended gear having better stats, baseline, yes. but what about after gems, runes, etc.? as far as i know the ascended upgrade slot is only for a resist rating, so when its all said and done the stats may be much closer.

  • MadDemon64MadDemon64 Maplewood, NJPosts: 1,099Member Uncommon

    Mass exodus?   Every time I tried to go to Lion's Arch or the new area during the event, I was in an overflow server.

    There is less of a mass exodus going on in GW2 than there will be people seceding from the US.

    Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  • VaultarVaultar adelaidePosts: 339Member

    Nah im here to stay for long time. Not one of those who care about getting the highest end gear. Besides, the fractal dungeons are fun in their own right. Players should just find a group of buddies and have fun together doing the dungeons instead of whining on and on about the grind and how there is now a more powerful tier than exotic. 

    The fact is: there is NO grind if you are having fun. However, if you solely focus getting the best gear as soon as possible, well, that is where you get the hundreds of disappointed players and that is where the game begins to feel like a grind.

    Changing your mindset a bit and having a more positive outlook on things go a long way.

    Looking forward to EQL and EQN.

  • ReaperUkReaperUk Cambridgeshire, UKPosts: 657Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by The_Korrigan

    What exodus?

    Both Lion's Arch and the new island have overflows even at early morning hours.

    There's still a huge difference between what the negative people wish (I hated this game, so I want it to fail and I call doom on it, because if I hate something, it can only be bad) and reality.

    I was going to say the same thing. I logged on at 5am on Sunday morning, used the Asura gate to return to Lions Arch and found myself in an overflow zone. There were players everywhere I went after that all morning. I thought of this thread at the time and had a quiet laugh to myself.

  • killion81killion81 A City, MIPosts: 985Member Uncommon
    Financially, the worst thing that could happen to Anet is for everyone to continue playing regularly but stop buying gems.  Despite what many people will have you believe, there are significant costs involved with running game servers and those costs are incurred every single month.  However, if this did happen, I would expect the Gem Store to become more aggressive.
  • RavingRabbidRavingRabbid Virginia beach, VAPosts: 1,128Member Uncommon
    I uninstalled GW2. The  shallow, repetitive, and the "de-leveling" left me not wanting to sign in anymore. I'm not quite sure if there is a mass exodus, but im sure alot of people have left already.

    All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
    Playing: SWTOR, ESO, WOT, and Marvel Heroes

  • MindTriggerMindTrigger La Quinta, CAPosts: 2,596Member

    I left after about 30 days, once I realized that it was as solo and antisocial *BY DESIGN* as all the other themeparks.  I also didn't feel like I was building toward anything, or that the game had any long-term playability or community, so I stopped wasting my time.

    Themeparks just aren't going to work for me.  This is the last one I will buy until I see some radical departures from the current design philosophy.

    A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.

  • botrytisbotrytis In Flux, MIPosts: 2,567Member
    Originally posted by RavingRabbid
    I uninstalled GW2. The  shallow, repetitive, and the "de-leveling" left me not wanting to sign in anymore. I'm not quite sure if there is a mass exodus, but im sure alot of people have left already.

    Opinion - would like fact. Every single time I go to LA, I end up in an overflow server, just not during the event either. This tells me: 1. People are NOT leaving the game. 2. I think the population is fairly stable.

     

    People who say, 'I uninstalled and there are people that have left' are just wanting to have validation for their decision.

     

    I am not saying the game doesn't have faults - it does, as other games.

     

    People who are saying servers cost money, yes they do. A.Net owns their own severs. For the 1st 6 months of WoW - the servers were rented because they didn't expect the mass influx they had.  GW1 servers were also owned by A.Net and they also had a CS (for extra slots, etc) and it was not such a big deal.

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  • MindTriggerMindTrigger La Quinta, CAPosts: 2,596Member
    Originally posted by botrytis
    Originally posted by RavingRabbid
    I uninstalled GW2. The  shallow, repetitive, and the "de-leveling" left me not wanting to sign in anymore. I'm not quite sure if there is a mass exodus, but im sure alot of people have left already.

    Opinion - would like fact. Every single time I go to LA, I end up in an overflow server, just not during the event either. This tells me: 1. People are NOT leaving the game. 2. I think the population is fairly stable.

     

    People who say, 'I uninstalled and there are people that have left' are just wanting to have validation for their decision.

     

    I am not saying the game doesn't have faults - it does, as other games.

     

    People who are saying servers cost money, yes they do. A.Net owns their own severs. For the 1st 6 months of WoW - the servers were rented because they didn't expect the mass influx they had.  GW1 servers were also owned by A.Net and they also had a CS (for extra slots, etc) and it was not such a big deal.

    People have left the game.  Doesn't mean it's hurting yet, but could be the sign of a trend that most of the other themeparks have seen as well.  We're glad you are enjoying it, but for a lot of us, it's a dead heartless game.  I actually love old Guild Wars 1 better than this game.  It has more soul, even today, in my opinion.

    A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.

  • killion81killion81 A City, MIPosts: 985Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by botrytis

    People who are saying servers cost money, yes they do. A.Net owns their own severs. For the 1st 6 months of WoW - the servers were rented because they didn't expect the mass influx they had.  GW1 servers were also owned by A.Net and they also had a CS (for extra slots, etc) and it was not such a big deal.

     

    Unless they own their own data center as well, they are paying for colocation rack space, power, redundant power, bandwidth, IP space and any hardware that needs to be replaced (which WILL happen with servers).  While this will be less than renting a server from a hosting provider, it is certainly not insignificant.

     

    Edit:  This doesn't even begin to look at the real cost of operation, which is all of the people at Anet's salaries.  This is a recurring cost that never ends unless you start letting people go.  Box sales should have covered the years of salaries for the development of the game and potentially a signifcant period of time beyond that.  However, coupled with server costs, you have to wonder how much profit there is without gem sales to increase the revenue.

  • JeleenaJeleena Posts: 120Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by The_Korrigan

    What exodus?

    Both Lion's Arch and the new island have overflows even at early morning hours.

    There's still a huge difference between what the negative people wish (I hated this game, so I want it to fail and I call doom on it, because if I hate something, it can only be bad) and reality.

    Indeed. I logged on early this monday morning in Europe (I usually work but have the day off today) and there are people everywhere. Overflow in LA of course, even if that didn't last very long, it still means that on a quiet morning time there are lots and lots op people playing.....

  • NaralNaral Solway, MNPosts: 751Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by The_Korrigan

    What exodus?

    Both Lion's Arch and the new island have overflows even at early morning hours.

    There's still a huge difference between what the negative people wish (I hated this game, so I want it to fail and I call doom on it, because if I hate something, it can only be bad) and reality.

    Mass exodus, maybe a strong word. But measuring the population by saying you have overflow in the zone that literally *everyone* logs into and out of, and travels too, would be like measuring the success of SWTOR by the space station population. 

    The population of this game is declining, at least so says the friend's list and guild rosters of most people I know who play the game, but as I said, mass exodus, probably too strong a word.

    WHere the game ends up, who knows? Unless Anet releases hard numbers, which I doubt they will, then it is all speculation anyway, regardless of personal perceptions.

  • JackdogJackdog Charleston, SCPosts: 6,344Member

    amazing how many people are playing ths crap game. Just logged in at 9 am on a Monday morning and instigated a lvl 10 dynamic event. before the event was over there were 4 of us and the event scaled up nicely as people joined. Why not just start a thread here titled , please please come bnack to WoW.

    BTW this was the first time I have played in a couple of weeks, tired of MMOs at the moment and doing Halo 4 with most of my gaming time. Nice to have a MMO I can log into that does not require me to pay 15 a month though and does not limit me in any way for not paying.....like star wars is doing

    I miss DAoC

  • NailzzzNailzzz fullerton, CAPosts: 513Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by tokini
    Originally posted by Nailzzz

         I'm with the OP on this. It isnt that im against gear grinds. It is the dishonesty that is making me back away from the game. I still play it, but now i see my time there as rather temporary. Im only there till i find something else that shows promise. While i may continue to play that game, i will no longer support it with my money.

         I purchased GW2 based on the game i played and the direction the dev's informed us it was going when it released. It is no longer that kind of game now. We were told we could play it however we wanted and reguardless of what we prefer to do, we could get max stat end game gear by doing open world pve, dungeons(any), crafting, or pvp. Now we can only get max stat gear from a single dungeon (making all the other dungeons a waste of time now for those who dont care about aesthetics and making it harder to get groups for those that do).

         They say that legendaries will be equal to the new tier but since legendaries do not have the new resistance, they are actually inferiour since they are the same stats but without resistance. Which means that even if you have a legendary you will still need to obtain one of the new tier weapons anyway to be able to get into the higher lvl dungeon content.

         The new gear tier is unnecessary. It creates more problems and destroys thier credibility. It is also being used as a content gate with the varying resistance upgrades that will be put into it, making it yet another artificial barrier to playing with others which is something else they claimed they would not do.

         So yeah, dont mind gear grinds. I mind being lied to. If they never made the kind of claims they did about what the game was supposed to be, i wouldnt care. But i feel betrayed and as much as i used to cheerlead for them before on these forums, i will no longer spend any more effort on singing praises that Arenanet clearly doesnt deserve.

    as to your second paragraph, they have stated that ascended gear will eventually be available from pve, WvW, and 'already existing content'. we shall see.

     

    as far as ascended gear having better stats, baseline, yes. but what about after gems, runes, etc.? as far as i know the ascended upgrade slot is only for a resist rating, so when its all said and done the stats may be much closer.

         Yes, they stated quite a few things. Some of which are now being brushed aside in favor for new things they are stating that are in complete opposition to the previous statements (horizontal vs. vertical progression. no gated content or forced gear checks). Now to me, that is enough for thier credibility to be wrecked. So anything they state from this point foward is not something i will continue to put faith into. To do anything else would be to reward them for being dishonest.

         And yes even after accounting for the highest possible upgrades in the game, unique gear is still well under the new gear in terms of stats. The fact that they started this off with rings is pretty telling since they have the lowest stats vs all other equipment slots which makes the increase in stats appear to be smaller than it will be on the other pieces of gear and since they never bothered releasing any exotic backpacks, they must have felt that that would be a safe choice too since it is harder to make a comparison with.

         The differences between the new tier and exotics will ultimately be alot more signifigant than just "a couple of points" that people keep saying. Especially the case when you consider what the difference will be when you take into account the total amount of stats that the new gear will bring as a full outfit instead of just a piece by piece comparison.

  • hikaru77hikaru77 buenos airesPosts: 1,035Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Toxia

    Hell no the population for gw2 hasnt  slacked up at all.

    I've been trying to get on Tarnished Coast for a fucking week to play with friends. FULL

    Just charge for fucking transfers already so i can pay and move please.

    We still dont know what ¨full¨ really mean for Anet, i mean, my server is full almost 24/7 but when i log on, i can found less than 10 players in the myst, and just a few 16/16 Spvp games running.  The population drop of active players in GW2 was and is huge. 

  • mayito7777mayito7777 Saint Cloud, FLPosts: 636Member Uncommon

    I will say for what I have seen that 90% of the players are in LA or the new island, exploring doing the puzzles, etc. I did the whole exploration in less than 1 hour, taking my sweet time and I was done. No interest in doing the puzzles there and no chest for completing the exploration. DONE.

    With well over 400hours played I am taking now my sweet time focusing on finishing the exploration, I am at 86% and getting all my 80s to 400 on crafting. Other than that, it is hard to find people to do any event in other areas or dungeons in other areas.

    With time I see myself playing less and less and waiting for another WoW "Killer" to pop out.

    want 7 free days of playing? Try this

    http://www.swtor.com/r/ZptVnY

  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mayito7777

    I will say for what I have seen that 90% of the players are in LA or the new island <snip>

    This right here.  The big population increase the last few days were for the event.  If you weren't doing the event or in LA (or any other major town), there is a definite lack of players.

  • greenreengreenreen Punchoo, AKPosts: 2,101Member Uncommon

    For me it has. I got myself banned from the forum by making a stink.

    Who cares though, I'm not playing anyway with gear progression being introduced post launch and everything I typed on there got me infracted. It was bound to happen just being on their forum. I promise I was not being mean to anyone either or a smart alleck in my other posts. It was infractions for dumb stuff like someone posted a workaround for a forum bug, I bumped it - infraction. There is a forum bug where at post 49 the topic disappears, I posted 49th and wrote why I did it because of the bug - infraction.

    If they can keep open the threads that praise this gear and not consolidate them like they do for the criticisms, I kept reposting what I thought twice until they banned me. For anyone though that WANTS to play, my suggestion is to shutup because they will ban for this topic. For me, the game is history, I don't give companies second chances once a lie is discovered.

    Proof of ban. http://i48.tinypic.com/10hlw28.png

     

  • joeybootsjoeyboots Virginia Beach, VAPosts: 636Member
    If there is an exodus, I am not a part, nor am I going to be a part of it. Aside from a few niggling bugs (not unheard of in a newly released mmo), I am having a blast in this game. I have played many mmos over the years, and I can honestly say the last time I enjoyed myself like this in an mmo was way back when DAOC was the new hotness.  I plan on sticking around for the long run.

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  • MadDemon64MadDemon64 Maplewood, NJPosts: 1,099Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by botrytis
    Originally posted by RavingRabbid
    I uninstalled GW2. The  shallow, repetitive, and the "de-leveling" left me not wanting to sign in anymore. I'm not quite sure if there is a mass exodus, but im sure alot of people have left already.

    Opinion - would like fact. Every single time I go to LA, I end up in an overflow server, just not during the event either. This tells me: 1. People are NOT leaving the game. 2. I think the population is fairly stable.

     

    People who say, 'I uninstalled and there are people that have left' are just wanting to have validation for their decision.

     

    Truer words were never spoken.

    Since when is Tuesday a direction?

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