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What is it about EVE that keeps people playing?

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  • MalcanisMalcanis LondonPosts: 3,191Member
    Originally posted by daltanious
    Originally posted by haplo602
    The endless options at your disposal. I am playing on and off since 2005. I have yet to do about half the content available.

    And what EXACTLY are - name at least few of them - this "endless" options.. Tried I think 3 times for few days each time (having nothing else to do or because of fans, just to try) but all was just boring mining and traveling. Actually leveling have been occuring when offline.

     

    Several large but non comprehensive lists have been produced, including in this very thread.

    EVE's basic problem (as far as many people seem to be concerned) is that if a player wants to be told that's he's an awesomesauce famous $PROFESSION, he'll have to actually be an awesomesauce at whatever it is. NPCs won't suck up to you just for logging in, and no-one would care if they did. You have to make it happen.

    In short, what did you try to be? Sounds like you just tried to mine in hi-sec and wait for someone to tell you to collect 10 rat tails in order to level up towards being awesomesauce.

    Give me liberty or give me lasers

  • KarahandrasKarahandras Sible HedinghamPosts: 1,673Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by johnjec
    Let me ask this. Where does a rookie start?  You start in high sec, reletively speaking the safest systems in eve(griefing is no longer alowed in the very beginner systems).  Is there a site that offers all of the information I will ever need or does that not exist? Eve has plenty of sites available to look up, start by reading the in game tutorials when they come up and google any extra info you need.  Also looking up the scanning tutorial on youtube is a good idea aswell as downloading isk the guide.  When I start the game, am I turly aone?  There will be plenty of people in high sec. Like me against the world until I ally with someone?   You'll always be in a corp in eve, if not a player corp then an npc one.  But that doesn't mean you'll be safe:).  Just want to know if there is somewhere I can go to learn before actully embarking aimlessly. Thanks.

    I would suggest trying the free trial.  Do the career agent missions and then do the sisters of eve arc(in arnon) to get you going then look up guides/info depending on what you want to do ingame.

  • genkiselgenkisel Mesquite, TXPosts: 22Member Uncommon
    The reason I keep going back is the community of friends I've built up over the years, and the fact that I can leave for 6 months come back and things be different.

    "Its Hot Drop-o-Clock" Clear Skies 3.
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  • EvgireonEvgireon New York, NYPosts: 71Member
    Ganking and griefing m/
  • M1sf1tM1sf1t San Francisco, CAPosts: 1,583Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Uhwop

    Originally posted by Gdemami  

    Originally posted by Karahandras It does have quite a steep learning curve and if you go into it with the 'themepark mentallity' i.e. bigger=better and rush to such then you will get your arse handed to you.
      No, you don't. "Theme park" players are mostly after PVE and that is where rule fully applies.   One could argue that it applies to PVP in many areas too...
     You do understand that 80% of the EVE population is playing in the part of the universe that would be considered the PvE part of EVE. 

    And that is according to CCP. 

     

    Emergent gameplay is what makes EVE great. 


    You need to understand that "80%" of the population also has multiple accounts. Their pvp accounts/characters are basically in null-sec, low-sec or wormhole space. So while there are many characters in Empire space most of them are alt accounts generating "safe" income and gathering supplies form the market place, etc.

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  • M1sf1tM1sf1t San Francisco, CAPosts: 1,583Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by jackocomp
    As for the skills, There was an article a few years back where one of the developers said it would take in excess of 25 years to train ALL the available skills to level 5 on a single character. Luckily there is no single character that would need or want to have all the available skills trained to level 5 on the one character. This is because some of the skills would be of no use at all to some players that are not using the aspects of the game that require those skills. (eg. Industry based gameplay character has little use for being able to fly & use all the ships in the game, where a PVP based character would)

    A new players character starting from scratch will take at least a few months before they can effectively fly a lot of the bigger ships as flying to the ship requires the use of weapons & other modules that are installed onto the ship to help it work & do the things you want it to do. When people I talk to ask I often tell them it wil take about 6 months before they will be able to use the better modules & ships etc.


    Bigger ships do not always equal better ships in pvp. In most cases it just means a bigger replacement bill and more grinding for ISK to replace said larger ship compared to a smaller ship.

    Frankly you can easily pvp in a small ship and cost people millions if not billions of ISK and only spend at least 2 weeks gaining the skills needed to fly something as trivial as a rifter which gets a tackle on some idiot's prized ratting ship worth billions of isk which your gang then promptly helps destroy.

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  • grimgryphongrimgryphon Pacific Northwest, WAPosts: 682Member
    Originally posted by Gaoxin

    -to fuck up someone else's day-

     

    That's basically it.

    Ruh roh. Someone lost a ship.

    Optional PvP = No PvP
  • FastSlothFastSloth ParisPosts: 132Member

     What is it about EVE that keeps people playing?

    Mostly the fact that Eve is a pyramid scheme where the player with the longest active account wins an advantage over the others and gets to bully them.

     

    Or maybe Eve players just wanted to feel like they belong to a group, can't get it anywhere else and thus spend 8 to 22 hours per day in a videogame.

     

    No idea, I just know that in my 2 years (?) of Eve I've never met anyone in game who said that the game was fun. Maybe "it can be fun at times" was heard occasionally.

  • KiljaedenasKiljaedenas New Westminster, BCPosts: 468Member
    Originally posted by FastSloth

     What is it about EVE that keeps people playing?

    Mostly the fact that Eve is a pyramid scheme where the player with the longest active account wins an advantage over the others and gets to bully them.

     

    Or maybe Eve players just wanted to feel like they belong to a group, can't get it anywhere else and thus spend 8 to 22 hours per day in a videogame.

     

    No idea, I just know that in my 2 years (?) of Eve I've never met anyone in game who said that the game was fun. Maybe "it can be fun at times" was heard occasionally.

    "Pyramid scheme"...erm, what?

    8-22 hours a day in a videogame...I have never met anyone in Eve other than one person recovering from heart surgery who couldn't work that plays Eve 8 hours a day, and never anyone who plays as high as 22. That isn't even feasible. Stop talking out of your ass.

    As for the statement of never meeting anyone in game who said it was fun, I Kiljaedenas hereby state that Eve Online is more fun than any game I have ever played or heard of in my entire life, and throughout my life I have probably played over 2000 different games.  Now you can no longer make that statement :).

     

    Where's the any key?

  • FastSlothFastSloth ParisPosts: 132Member
    Originally posted by Kiljaedenas

    "Pyramid scheme"...erm, what?

    8-22 hours a day in a videogame...I have never met anyone in Eve other than one person recovering from heart surgery who couldn't work that plays Eve 8 hours a day, and never anyone who plays as high as 22. That isn't even feasible. Stop talking out of your ass.

    As for the statement of never meeting anyone in game who said it was fun, I Kiljaedenas hereby state that Eve Online is more fun than any game I have ever played or heard of in my entire life, and throughout my life I have probably played over 2000 different games.  Now you can no longer make that statement :).

     

    Sir, we obviously live in different worlds!

  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member
    Same as every other game, the right to look down upon the players of (something else)?

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • EluwienEluwien EspooPosts: 166Member

    Skipping the sidetracks, back to the original topic: What is about EVE that keeps people playing?

    This:

    http://tagn.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/eve-what-to-do.jpg

    6th year going, still haven't even tested everything, or perfected more than two of the paths I've tested.

    This game is about you deciding what to become, and it will always reward you for sticking with your decission. No other game has yet rewarded me for sticking to my decission so that it has changed my approach to real life, and sticking to decissions in there too.

     

     

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  • KalestonKaleston TrinecPosts: 173Member

    I think the one of the main reason would be the same why people refuse to leave WoW. You spent days and days of playtime and possibly some money on your account... Are you strong enough to throw it away, because game is not so interesting anymore?

    With Eve especially, where learning curve is super steep and you get your skills over time, you can't escape this notion of "throwing away your years of life".

  • adam_noxadam_nox hays, KSPosts: 2,073Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Eluwien

    Skipping the sidetracks, back to the original topic: What is about EVE that keeps people playing?

    This:

    http://tagn.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/eve-what-to-do.jpg

    6th year going, still haven't even tested everything, or perfected more than two of the paths I've tested.

    This game is about you deciding what to become, and it will always reward you for sticking with your decission. No other game has yet rewarded me for sticking to my decission so that it has changed my approach to real life, and sticking to decissions in there too.

     

     

    If there was a path to choose, I couldn't find it within 2 weeks.  Did missions, got a 5 million ship, got bored in high sec.  Went to low sec, got ganked by a very powerful ship.  Full EVE experience from the perspective of most people who don't wish to invest a lot of time mining and just want to fly a ship and have some fun I'd imagine.   

     

    Why are people playing?  Don't know, don't care.  I notice the concurrency goes down during US primetime, and it's common to multibox in this game, those two things tell me all I really need to know.  There's also a lot of mining bots.

  • AvsRock21AvsRock21 Denver, COPosts: 256Member
    Originally posted by adam_nox
    Originally posted by Eluwien

    Skipping the sidetracks, back to the original topic: What is about EVE that keeps people playing?

    This:

    http://tagn.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/eve-what-to-do.jpg

    6th year going, still haven't even tested everything, or perfected more than two of the paths I've tested.

    This game is about you deciding what to become, and it will always reward you for sticking with your decission. No other game has yet rewarded me for sticking to my decission so that it has changed my approach to real life, and sticking to decissions in there too.

     

     

    If there was a path to choose, I couldn't find it within 2 weeks.  Did missions, got a 5 million ship, got bored in high sec.  Went to low sec, got ganked by a very powerful ship.  Full EVE experience from the perspective of most people who don't wish to invest a lot of time mining and just want to fly a ship and have some fun I'd imagine.   

     

    Why are people playing?  Don't know, don't care.  I notice the concurrency goes down during US primetime, and it's common to multibox in this game, those two things tell me all I really need to know.  There's also a lot of mining bots.

    And that's the beauty of EVE. It filters out the solo players and the instant gratification crowd. Sorry you didn't like it, there's GW2, WoW, and Rift for you... EVE is all about playing with others. You need to join a corp to fully experience the game (or at least one tiny aspect of the game, depending on what type of corp it is). You do NOT need to invest any time mining to make enough ISK for pvp. I do missions, salvaging, and station trading to earn my billions. Even with the multiboxers, I am willing to bet EVE still has more individual concurrent players on any given day than even the newest of themepark games. Themeparks have a lot of concurrent users during their first week, before everyone figures out how boring and pointless the game is.

  • cybertruckercybertrucker Pensacola, FLPosts: 1,119Member
    I did a 2 week trial a few years ago. Seemed bland to me.. Ohh and I am a group oriented player.
  • Dahkot72Dahkot72 Pelham, ALPosts: 261Member
    Originally posted by AvsRock21
    Originally posted by adam_nox
    Originally posted by Eluwien

    Skipping the sidetracks, back to the original topic: What is about EVE that keeps people playing?

    This:

    http://tagn.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/eve-what-to-do.jpg

    6th year going, still haven't even tested everything, or perfected more than two of the paths I've tested.

    This game is about you deciding what to become, and it will always reward you for sticking with your decission. No other game has yet rewarded me for sticking to my decission so that it has changed my approach to real life, and sticking to decissions in there too.

     

     

    If there was a path to choose, I couldn't find it within 2 weeks.  Did missions, got a 5 million ship, got bored in high sec.  Went to low sec, got ganked by a very powerful ship.  Full EVE experience from the perspective of most people who don't wish to invest a lot of time mining and just want to fly a ship and have some fun I'd imagine.   

     

    Why are people playing?  Don't know, don't care.  I notice the concurrency goes down during US primetime, and it's common to multibox in this game, those two things tell me all I really need to know.  There's also a lot of mining bots.

    And that's the beauty of EVE. It filters out the solo players and the instant gratification crowd. Sorry you didn't like it, there's GW2, WoW, and Rift for you... EVE is all about playing with others. You need to join a corp to fully experience the game (or at least one tiny aspect of the game, depending on what type of corp it is). You do NOT need to invest any time mining to make enough ISK for pvp. I do missions, salvaging, and station trading to earn my billions. Even with the multiboxers, I am willing to bet EVE still has more individual concurrent players on any given day than even the newest of themepark games. Themeparks have a lot of concurrent users during their first week, before everyone figures out how boring and pointless the game is.

    If you actually think EVE has more concurrent players online than GW2 or WoW then I have no idea what world you live in.

    WoW is ,well  , WoW , and GW2 has tons of EU and NA servers that still sit at full often during prime time.

    EVE is good for what it is , but trying to say it has more online concurrent players than any other mmorpg is just ridiculous.

  • NetSageNetSage Lake Geneva, WIPosts: 1,040Member Uncommon
    It probably has more players on one server though.
  • MardukkMardukk Posts: 1,556Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon

    Nothing that keeps me playing.PVE combat is super boring and easy. It wasn't fun in the trial so i bailed.

     

    This is what I've heard and keeps me from giving this a try. Hopefully I've heard wrong as I'd like to try a game with more freedom. Are these people exaggerating PvE boredom. Would someone be able to have fun in this game solo?
  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,205Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Mardukk
    Originally posted by nariusseldon

    Nothing that keeps me playing.

    PVE combat is super boring and easy. It wasn't fun in the trial so i bailed.

     

    This is what I've heard and keeps me from giving this a try. Hopefully I've heard wrong as I'd like to try a game with more freedom. Are these people exaggerating PvE boredom. Would someone be able to have fun in this game solo?

    uh...well...there's certainly serious pve going on in places like anomalities and wormholes. so much so that I stay clear of wormhole pve :). bad experiences.

     

    being completely honest, pve in eve is not very different from pve in any standard MMO, except there aren't virtually any bosses. so it's more like fighting trash mobs if you will. it's a means to acquire wealth and crafting materials, there is no super-epic raiding going on - despite there being very challenging escalation and incursion pve events.

     

    Can you have fun solo ? well...you have to tell us what's fun for you. most of eve's appeal comes from "doing things for a higher purpose". Personally i don't know how to have fun solo in ANY mmo so I can't answer that question. I know when I started playing I skipped everything quest-related including tutorials because i wanted to get out there and mine.

     

    soon i wanted a reason to mine so I started looking at crafting...then naturally at mining and industrial corporations...and then i ended up in nullsec. while most of the time i spend alone, I am living in a space inhabited by my alliance, and fly with them in pvp and so on. So even if i'm part of an alliance i spend maybe 90% of my time by myslf (By choice).

     

    does that count as solo? :D

     

    you asked one of those questions that ishard to put into words. it's not easy to relate to another MMO or anything like that. as part of an alliance you can spend minimal time with a group, or nearly all the time with a group, that choice is yours. some players play virtually solo the whole time. I am not a pvp'er so I'm one of them.

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  • MardukkMardukk Posts: 1,556Member Uncommon

    It appears that I would have to try this game myself to see if I would find it fun as most of the people that have played it contradict each other.  I don't quite understand how you can be viable quickly but still be motivated to play and have nearly infinite character progression.  This game is great for casuals and hardcores?  With full loot how would that promote hardcores that build up stuff over a long period of time?  Other full loot games seem to have easy to obtain stuff/gear so you don't really care too much if you lose it.

     

    To the poster above thanks for the info.  It does appear that there isn't much PvE solo challenge but it's still worth it for the freedom.

  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,205Member Uncommon

    viable quickly...

     

    1) pick up the first quest frigate.

    2) equip a microwarpdrive and a warp disruptor.

     

    you're now viable in a fleet, in the role of 'fast tackler'.

     

    of course inevitably you'll warp-disrupt the stargate, shoot at your own allies, fly your ship the opposite direction than the enemy and much more but...that all comes with practice.

     

    really you can be viable in a matter of hours. some critical roles like fast tackling require virtually zero skill training.

     

    being viable isn't the problem. finding the right people to play with is a newbie's biggest obstacle. training corps can help here, but of course a newbie wouldn't know to look for one.

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  • MalcanisMalcanis LondonPosts: 3,191Member
    Originally posted by Mardukk

    It appears that I would have to try this game myself to see if I would find it fun as most of the people that have played it contradict each other.  I don't quite understand how you can be viable quickly but still be motivated to play and have nearly infinite character progression.  This game is great for casuals and hardcores?  With full loot how would that promote hardcores that build up stuff over a long period of time?  Other full loot games seem to have easy to obtain stuff/gear so you don't really care too much if you lose it.

     

    To the poster above thanks for the info.  It does appear that there isn't much PvE solo challenge but it's still worth it for the freedom.

     

    Yes, definitely try it for yourself. Get yourself a 21-day free trial (PM me for one or look in the buddy offer thread).

    People contradict each other about EVE for several reasons. First is that there's just so damb much of it. Imagine someone who visited New York for a weekend arguing with someone who'd lived in Montana all their life about "what America is like". Second, people bring very different perspectives to EVE - one guy sees freedom, another guy sees like of direction. One guy sees crappy PvE content, another is indifferent to the resource gathering mechanisms as long as they work.

    You can be viable quickly because EVE is all about roles.  Some roles you can train into very quickly, others take a very considerable amount of time. But the quick-and-easy-to-train roles don't become obselete. Even fleets full of high-skill point players will still want tacklers, scouts, probers and so on (in fact they're often desperately short of people willing to fill these roles).

    EVE is full loot, but the standard PvP equipment is readily obtainable and is manufactured by players, so you won't be at too deep a disadvantage, especially after the first 3 months or so. Once you can use T2 modules, you'll be using the same equipment on your ship that a 2003 vet flying the same ship does. This is because having 150,000,000 SP doesn't in and of itself give you any advantages. The 2003 guy will only have a few percent more EHP and damage than a 2011 guy.

    Give me liberty or give me lasers

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,641Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Mardukk

    To the poster above thanks for the info.  It does appear that there isn't much PvE solo challenge but it's still worth it for the freedom.

    That's changing a bit in Retribution (4 Dec 2012). The NPCs are going to be slightly smarter and work together more.

    Here's a bit of info on that: Brains! - Nom Nom!

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  • ThaneThane berlinPosts: 2,230Member Uncommon

    seriously guys.

    eve online has like 400k subs. that's a failure for every game, but eve.

     

     

    if you are into mmos. dont play eve online.

     

    if you are into simulations. give it a try.

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