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F2P has ruined SWTOR and Legacy

superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon

F2P has ruined SWTOR, it has lost the plot, and the Cartel Market has just cheapned the game. It is certainly not worth subbing to any more. At least before F2P SWTOR had some respect, and more reason to sub.

When I unlocked Legacy previously I had to go play until got to Alderaan

Now on anotther character on a different server, at level 25, just finished with Taris and got Nar Shaddaa and Tatooine to do before unlocking Legacy. I then log in to that character after F2P change, and I get Legacy, it now gives me it early. So not much point playing any more anyway. It has taken the fun out of playing through the game and unlocking Legacy

What is up with Legacy, what has changed with F2P, and how can F2P people enjoy Legacy with only 2 chars?

 

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  • Cod_EyeCod_Eye jarrowPosts: 1,016Member
    Originally posted by superniceguy

    F2P has ruined SWTOR, it has lost the plot, and the Cartel Market has just cheapned the game. It is certainly not worth subbing to any more. At least before F2P SWTOR had some respect, and more reason to sub.

    When I unlocked Legacy previously I had to go play until got to Alderaan

    Now on anotther character on a different server, at level 25, just finished with Taris and got Nar Shaddaa and Tatooine to do before unlocking Legacy. I then log in to that character after F2P change, and I get Legacy, it now gives me it early. So not much point playing any more anyway. It has taken the fun out of playing through the game and unlocking Legacy

    What is up with Legacy, what has changed with F2P, and how can F2P people enjoy Legacy with only 2 chars?

     

    It lost the plot when it was on the development table.  With EA involved with any game what you really expect?

  • Elevenb4Elevenb4 CajamarcaPosts: 282Member Uncommon

    Not sure what you're talking about. The game hasn't changed for me at all since I've been subbinged since release. Yes , there is the Cartel Martket, but if I only subbed and never looked at the Cash shop, the game will still be the exact same for me.

    However, I like the cash shop, I'm not going to spend a bunch of money on hit, maybe an extra 15$ or so a month. I love the items I have gotten, especially my Sith Throne mount. I feel like a powerful sith crossed with Professor X.

     

    I think they did a good job. With it all.

    -Unconstitutional laws aren't laws.-

  • saxifrsaxifr East Hartford, CTPosts: 381Member Common
    Now that F2P is done, one wonders what those 200 people on the SWTOR team are working on next!

    RELAX!@!! BREATHE!!!

  • thamighty213thamighty213 NewcastlePosts: 1,630Member

    Legacy was frickin awful and I for one am glad I can buy imperial races say helow to my rata consular.  Not everyone has a gazillion hours to go grinding character after character out I have 2 chars who more than take up all my time.   I only wish they would also sell the buffs.

     

    It's not pay 2 win its pay for time.

  • saxifrsaxifr East Hartford, CTPosts: 381Member Common
    Originally posted by Elevenb4

    Not sure what you're talking about. The game hasn't changed for me at all since I've been subbinged since release. Yes , there is the Cartel Martket, but if I only subbed and never looked at the Cash shop, the game will still be the exact same for me.

    However, I like the cash shop, I'm not going to spend a bunch of money on hit, maybe an extra 15$ or so a month. I love the items I have gotten, especially my Sith Throne mount. I feel like a powerful sith crossed with Professor X.

     

    I think they did a good job. With it all.

    You've clearly stated the problem with this game. It's still a lukewarm D+ or C- product.

    RELAX!@!! BREATHE!!!

  • saxifrsaxifr East Hartford, CTPosts: 381Member Common
    Originally posted by bingbongbros
    Originally posted by saxifr
    Originally posted by Elevenb4

    Not sure what you're talking about. The game hasn't changed for me at all since I've been subbinged since release. Yes , there is the Cartel Martket, but if I only subbed and never looked at the Cash shop, the game will still be the exact same for me.

    However, I like the cash shop, I'm not going to spend a bunch of money on hit, maybe an extra 15$ or so a month. I love the items I have gotten, especially my Sith Throne mount. I feel like a powerful sith crossed with Professor X.

     

    I think they did a good job. With it all.

    You've clearly stated the problem with this game. It's still a lukewarm D+ or C- product.

    body setting 4. it's at least a DD+ product.  nudge nudge wink wink

    *snicker*

    RELAX!@!! BREATHE!!!

  • Elevenb4Elevenb4 CajamarcaPosts: 282Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by saxifr
    Now that F2P is done, one wonders what those 200 people on the SWTOR team are working on next!

    They said they will be expanding Space combat and Space activity in general a lot. Taking Space off rails if you will.

    -Unconstitutional laws aren't laws.-

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Elevenb4

    Not sure what you're talking about. The game hasn't changed for me at all since I've been subbinged since release. Yes , there is the Cartel Martket, but if I only subbed and never looked at the Cash shop, the game will still be the exact same for me.

    However, I like the cash shop, I'm not going to spend a bunch of money on hit, maybe an extra 15$ or so a month. I love the items I have gotten, especially my Sith Throne mount. I feel like a powerful sith crossed with Professor X.

     

    I think they did a good job. With it all.

    It has changed, and has changed for all, but if you have already unlocked legacy, and do not plan on doing it again, then you will not see this change. I wonder what the new requirements are, and what other things have been compromised / dumbed down?

    The Legacy system is SWTORs main feature.

    For those who spent loads of time on Legacy, when could have done something else, does it  now not make you mad that if you waited, you need not have spent so much time levelling legacy?

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by thamighty213

    Legacy was frickin awful and I for one am glad I can buy imperial races say helow to my rata consular.  Not everyone has a gazillion hours to go grinding character after character out I have 2 chars who more than take up all my time.   I only wish they would also sell the buffs.

     

    It's not pay 2 win its pay for time.

    That is true, but Legacy is SWTORs main attraction, and before F2P it was more awful, as had to pay to level through them, but now in F2P it would not make it so bad, as can enjoy levelling through other characters casually without paying to do so, except now can not get more than 2 characters.

     

  • WinterizerWinterizer Fuzzy Wuzzy CavePosts: 65Member
    I don´t care aslong the servers are full and let me login with priority.

    The game is no way near ruined
  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Winterizer
    I don´t care aslong the servers are full and let me login with priority. The game is no way near ruined

    F2P does not do much do get more to log in, especially with its fixed 2 char cap, and the change of F2P then is pointless. It would have been better to spend time enhancing the game making it more attractive for people to sub.

    Maybe some people are playing through now, and hoping that they will let you buy more char slots, but if they do not, then it is just pontless. When people max out a char then they will more likely quit, as can not create more even if they wanted to. They should allow at least 8, but 2 max vs 12 per server and 50 per account is pathetic

    Also some will quit with the F2P, especially knowing that it is not doing much to get new players into the game, or stay for long, therby making them change it to F2P a waste of EAs time.

    What would you have preferred as a subber - F2P or a proper worthwhile full blown expansion?

  • WinterizerWinterizer Fuzzy Wuzzy CavePosts: 65Member

    I think it is cool that almost everyone that I know of that started with F2P has subscribed during the weekend.

     

    PvP pops often and the flashpoints from time to time, mainly due to lack of healers or tanks as in any other game.

     

    I do not see how F2P has ruined anything, the game is more alive then it has been for months

  • kitaradkitarad RomePosts: 1,744Member Uncommon

    In my opinion many underestimate what restrictions people will accept for playing something for free. For those who only want to experience the game without buying the game or subbing and loving the story aspect they will accept these restrictions. Afterall 4 ftp accounts will get you 8 classes on both sides. Don't see how a person who solely wants to experience the class based story which is to me the best part of the game will not be excited about this game.

     

    Let's face it no amount of improvement  of the game is going to bring people back when they left. FTP on the otherhand will increase the population.

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  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by kitarad

    In my opinion many underestimate what restrictions people will accept for playing something for free. For those who only want to experience the game without buying the game or subbing and loving the story aspect they will accept these restrictions. Afterall 4 ftp accounts will get you 8 classes on both sides. Don't see how a person who solely wants to experience the class based story which is to me the best part of the game will not be excited about this game.

     

    Let's face it no amount of improvement  of the game is going to bring people back when they left. FTP on the otherhand will increase the population.

    You can create 4 ftp accounts, but will not benefit from the Legacy. You will have to put in 4 times more effort

  • erictlewiserictlewis Cottondale, ALPosts: 3,026Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by kitarad

    In my opinion many underestimate what restrictions people will accept for playing something for free. For those who only want to experience the game without buying the game or subbing and loving the story aspect they will accept these restrictions. Afterall 4 ftp accounts will get you 8 classes on both sides. Don't see how a person who solely wants to experience the class based story which is to me the best part of the game will not be excited about this game.

     

    Let's face it no amount of improvement  of the game is going to bring people back when they left. FTP on the otherhand will increase the population.

    It might increase the population short term. I checked torstatus.net only a .78+ upturn.   However if you were like me with several 50's and a full legacy plate. There is no reason to come back, as nothing that drove me away truly changed, and with the restrictions in place I will not go back.  I could live with some restrictions but nnot be limited to 2 toons, I can understand unlocks for my purple armor, but not at the cost of 300 bucks you might as well sub up.  

    In the short term populations is going to go up. This will be like lotro, a lot of folks will leave who started with this game and then you get the new free to play population who will show up do the story and move on. 

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Winterizer

    I think it is cool that almost everyone that I know of that started with F2P has subscribed during the weekend.

     

    PvP pops often and the flashpoints from time to time, mainly due to lack of healers or tanks as in any other game.

     

    I do not see how F2P has ruined anything, the game is more alive then it has been for months

    For people to sub already, they could not have played the game much, and could have done so on the free trial to level 15 without paying anything and being so restricted. Even on the free trial you could create more than 2 chars.

    F2P has ruined the game, because you can not create more than 2 chars, and leaves the game with a sleazy Cash Shop, and if people are subbing from it, then what is the point in there being F2P?

    free to level 15 with option to sub > F2P to sub

    The game will not be so alive soon when realise can not create more chars even if they want to, plus about 75% quit the game after a few months after launch. The game has not improved since launch, and the same will happen again, and for those trying to play via F2P will quit even sooner.

    F2P should get you all the stuff that subbers get, but overall costs more than $15, but where it works out cheaper is that you do not have to spend on stuff you do not want to play.

    Without being able to create more than 2 chars has ruined the fundamental core of the game. It is the only reason I am interested in returning, as do not care for other stuff. Space missions have played to death, so can live with those restrictions. I do not care for Operations or Warzones so can live with those restrictions.

    I can not create more than 2 chars, and I do not want to pay the full $15. I would be willing to pay to unlock more char slots, but I can not, so I can not return to the game, and make it more alive.

  • Sevenstar61Sevenstar61 Centreville, VAPosts: 1,690Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Elevenb4

    Not sure what you're talking about. The game hasn't changed for me at all since I've been subbinged since release. Yes , there is the Cartel Martket, but if I only subbed and never looked at the Cash shop, the game will still be the exact same for me.

    However, I like the cash shop, I'm not going to spend a bunch of money on hit, maybe an extra 15$ or so a month. I love the items I have gotten, especially my Sith Throne mount. I feel like a powerful sith crossed with Professor X.

     

    I think they did a good job. With it all.

    I agree. There is no change in gameplay with f2P. The only thing that changed is that you can got some cool stuff with CC.

    I love the game even more right now.

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    Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
    Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
    Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by Elevenb4

    Not sure what you're talking about. The game hasn't changed for me at all since I've been subbinged since release. Yes , there is the Cartel Martket, but if I only subbed and never looked at the Cash shop, the game will still be the exact same for me.

    However, I like the cash shop, I'm not going to spend a bunch of money on hit, maybe an extra 15$ or so a month. I love the items I have gotten, especially my Sith Throne mount. I feel like a powerful sith crossed with Professor X.

     

    I think they did a good job. With it all.

    I agree. There is no change in gameplay with f2P. The only thing that changed is that you can got some cool stuff with CC.

    I love the game even more right now.

    Legacy has changed. which is what the thread is all about

    Is there an official post detailing these changes? If not, then I bet there are some other changes that have not yet been discovered. You need to play more

  • Sevenstar61Sevenstar61 Centreville, VAPosts: 1,690Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by Elevenb4

    Not sure what you're talking about. The game hasn't changed for me at all since I've been subbinged since release. Yes , there is the Cartel Martket, but if I only subbed and never looked at the Cash shop, the game will still be the exact same for me.

    However, I like the cash shop, I'm not going to spend a bunch of money on hit, maybe an extra 15$ or so a month. I love the items I have gotten, especially my Sith Throne mount. I feel like a powerful sith crossed with Professor X.

     

    I think they did a good job. With it all.

    I agree. There is no change in gameplay with f2P. The only thing that changed is that you can got some cool stuff with CC.

    I love the game even more right now.

    Legacy has changed. which is what the thread is all about

    Is there an official post detailing these changes? If not, then I bet there are some other changes that have not yet been discovered. You need to play more

    The only change to legacy is that you now get it at level 10, chich is actually a very good change in my opinion. It allows you to try more alts and not work on just one until end of chapter 1. The other change is that you can purchase stuff in legacy for credits or CC if you wish to. One more change is that you can unlock the HK-51 after you do the quest on first character. Did I miss anything else?

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    Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
    Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
    Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  • AhnogAhnog Keller, TXPosts: 231Member Uncommon

    I find legacy to be one of the most appealing aspects of the game, and I'm glad they've opened it up earlier. You still have to pay for the perks. I personally focused on the shp upgrades (mailbox, repair droid, GTN).

    SWTOR continues to be a great game, and f2p just makes it better.

    Ahnog

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  • Sevenstar61Sevenstar61 Centreville, VAPosts: 1,690Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by erictlewis
    Originally posted by kitarad

    In my opinion many underestimate what restrictions people will accept for playing something for free. For those who only want to experience the game without buying the game or subbing and loving the story aspect they will accept these restrictions. Afterall 4 ftp accounts will get you 8 classes on both sides. Don't see how a person who solely wants to experience the class based story which is to me the best part of the game will not be excited about this game.

     

    Let's face it no amount of improvement  of the game is going to bring people back when they left. FTP on the otherhand will increase the population.

    It might increase the population short term. I checked torstatus.net only a .78+ upturn.   However if you were like me with several 50's and a full legacy plate. There is no reason to come back, as nothing that drove me away truly changed, and with the restrictions in place I will not go back.  I could live with some restrictions but nnot be limited to 2 toons, I can understand unlocks for my purple armor, but not at the cost of 300 bucks you might as well sub up.  

    In the short term populations is going to go up. This will be like lotro, a lot of folks will leave who started with this game and then you get the new free to play population who will show up do the story and move on. 

    Yesterday and the day before I was comparing tor status with actual server statuses. When tor status shows heavy or heavy... there were actually plenty of full and very heavy servers. I checked both EU someting around 2 PM EST and US at 8 PM EST.

    This is snapshot of EU servers taken just now - 10:20 AM EST (it would be 4;20 PM in EU I think) , it's too early for US, I will post one later

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    Xfire jumped significantly in last 2 days, SWTOR is now 10th the most played game

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    Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
    Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
    Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by Elevenb4

    Not sure what you're talking about. The game hasn't changed for me at all since I've been subbinged since release. Yes , there is the Cartel Martket, but if I only subbed and never looked at the Cash shop, the game will still be the exact same for me.

    However, I like the cash shop, I'm not going to spend a bunch of money on hit, maybe an extra 15$ or so a month. I love the items I have gotten, especially my Sith Throne mount. I feel like a powerful sith crossed with Professor X.

     

    I think they did a good job. With it all.

    I agree. There is no change in gameplay with f2P. The only thing that changed is that you can got some cool stuff with CC.

    I love the game even more right now.

    Legacy has changed. which is what the thread is all about

    Is there an official post detailing these changes? If not, then I bet there are some other changes that have not yet been discovered. You need to play more

    The only change to legacy is that you now get it at level 10, chich is actually a very good change in my opinion. It allows you to try more alts and not work on just one until end of chapter 1. The other change is that you can purchase stuff in legacy for credits or CC if you wish to. One more change is that you can unlock the HK-51 after you do the quest on first character. Did I miss anything else?

    Dunno, but pity you did not say that to begin with, instead of saying there were no changes, when there were

    Just will have to wait for them to update F2P to unlock more char slots. Can not play the game until they do.

  • Sevenstar61Sevenstar61 Centreville, VAPosts: 1,690Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by Elevenb4

    Not sure what you're talking about. The game hasn't changed for me at all since I've been subbinged since release. Yes , there is the Cartel Martket, but if I only subbed and never looked at the Cash shop, the game will still be the exact same for me.

    However, I like the cash shop, I'm not going to spend a bunch of money on hit, maybe an extra 15$ or so a month. I love the items I have gotten, especially my Sith Throne mount. I feel like a powerful sith crossed with Professor X.

     

    I think they did a good job. With it all.

    I agree. There is no change in gameplay with f2P. The only thing that changed is that you can got some cool stuff with CC.

    I love the game even more right now.

    Legacy has changed. which is what the thread is all about

    Is there an official post detailing these changes? If not, then I bet there are some other changes that have not yet been discovered. You need to play more

    The only change to legacy is that you now get it at level 10, chich is actually a very good change in my opinion. It allows you to try more alts and not work on just one until end of chapter 1. The other change is that you can purchase stuff in legacy for credits or CC if you wish to. One more change is that you can unlock the HK-51 after you do the quest on first character. Did I miss anything else?

    Dunno, but pity you did not say that to begin with, instead of saying there were no changes, when there were

    Just will have to wait for them to update F2P to unlock more char slots. Can not play the game until they do.

    These are minor changes and for better. You guys are unbelievable. You want to bash the game so badly, you will find a hole in the whole.

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    Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
    Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
    Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  • YaoimanYaoiman Newkama Land, LAPosts: 51Member
    Originally posted by Elevenb4

    Not sure what you're talking about. The game hasn't changed for me at all since I've been subbinged since release. Yes , there is the Cartel Martket, but if I only subbed and never looked at the Cash shop, the game will still be the exact same for me.

    However, I like the cash shop, I'm not going to spend a bunch of money on hit, maybe an extra 15$ or so a month. I love the items I have gotten, especially my Sith Throne mount. I feel like a powerful sith crossed with Professor X.

     

    I think they did a good job. With it all.

    Correction: Your parents will be paying an extra $15 a month, not you. Anyone who knows the worth of money wouldn't even bother with this game or any F2P game.

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  • MurlockDanceMurlockDance ParisPosts: 1,223Member
    I would give the F2P a try if they changed the sluggish combat. I found the combat post level-30 extremely boring.

    Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

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