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Storm Legion - Best mmo expansion for a AAA mmo in many years

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  • strangiato2112strangiato2112 Richmond, VAPosts: 1,538Member Common
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    Originally posted by strangiato2112
    Originally posted by Vannor
    Here's a definition of hype for you: Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively
     

    When they said 'tripled the size of the world', it was not an exaggeration.. 

    How is what Trion did for SL (large press releases every 2 weeks or less for months before the expansion) not hype then, by that definition?  Also....

    FACT:  Storm Legion did not triple the size of Rift.

     

    And calling an expansion the best ever before seeing what its like even a month after release is hyping it up.  No one has any real way of knowing yet.  Most people arent even 60 yet.

     

    Its called Advertising.

     

    As for your "fact", wheres the proof to back up your "fact"

    Is advertising not 'Promote or Publicize a product' as his deifnition of hype stated?  Did Trion not advertise intensively?

     

    And no, I havent done any mathematical analysis ingame for numerical proof, but its obvious if you start comparing the old map vs the new and take into account the scaling that its not triple.  More than double, yes.  More than triple...no.

  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,968Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by strangiato2112

    Is advertising not 'Promote or Publicize a product' as his deifnition of hype stated?  

    You think Promotion and Publicizing isn't a part of advertising? Now I know you're trolling. You can't really think that? Seriously.. They are why advertising was invented!

  • strangiato2112strangiato2112 Richmond, VAPosts: 1,538Member Common
    Originally posted by Vannor
    Originally posted by strangiato2112
     but repeating it over and over again doesnt make it true.

    Same thing applies to you buddy. You can't even understand the definition I gave you properly. You are a lost cause.

    Oh, so when I broke down your definition to show that SL was indeed hyped all of a sudden its not understanding it?  

  • FoomerangFoomerang Portland, ORPosts: 5,564Member Uncommon

    Each new continent is about the same size as the original continent. Granted the original continent is small compared to other mmos, but the xpac does indeed triple the size of the game. Trion has confirmed it in multiple interviews and it is one of the main bullet points for the expansion. If you claim its not, prove it. If trion lied, we can sue for false advertising. Youre probably just talking out yer ____ though heh

  • Originally posted by strangiato2112
    Originally posted by jonesing22

     The instant adventure tool is awesome, I don't have a lot of experience with it but it isn't questing/LFD/warfronts. I guess it creates a zone wide chain of events/goals that you move through prgressively with your party or a random party.

     

    Instant adventures is a semi-random collection of kill tasks and reused quests and named mob kills.  They throw in the occasional AWFUL escort sometimes.  typically its kill x mobs, click y things, kill z mobs, boss, warp somewhere else and rinse/repeat.  it isnt a progression, just a random pool of stuff.  I have yet to meet someone who enjoys doing it more than 15 minutes at a time.

     

    It is a form of grind levelling in a way though, its by far the fastest way to level 1-50, not sure about 51-60

    This might be why I like the IAs. I started in Everquest and often fondly remember killing countless enemies to level - I don't mind finding a good camp spot.

  • moguy2moguy2 Saint Peters, MOPosts: 337Member
    I cant seem to get passed level 20. Or maybe its cause its the super trial thingy? /laughs
  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,968Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by strangiato2112
    Originally posted by Vannor
    Originally posted by strangiato2112
     but repeating it over and over again doesnt make it true.

    Same thing applies to you buddy. You can't even understand the definition I gave you properly. You are a lost cause.

    Oh, so when I broke down your definition to show that SL was indeed hyped all of a sudden its not understanding it?  

    lol yeh, exactly. Your breakdown makes absolutely no sense at all because you don't understand the definition in the first place and completely ignored the 'exaggerated' bit. Like I said, lost cause.

  • strangiato2112strangiato2112 Richmond, VAPosts: 1,538Member Common
    Originally posted by Vannor
    Originally posted by strangiato2112

    Is advertising not 'Promote or Publicize a product' as his deifnition of hype stated?  

    You think Promotion and Publicizing isn't a part of advertising? Now I know you're trolling. You can't really think that? Seriously..

    I just implied that it is...although i could have phrased the second half better, such as

    Is advertising not 'Promote or Publicize a product', which is a component of his defnition of hype

    or something like that.

     

     

    To break it down in case you arent following...Yes, having press releases is advertising.  Having press releases with great frequency is advertising intensively.  Which your definition clearly considers hype.

  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,968Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by strangiato2112

    To break it down in case you arent following...Yes, having press releases is advertising.  Having press releases with great frequency is advertising intensively.  Which your definition clearly considers hype.

    If everything said in the adverts is true.. none of them.

  • strangiato2112strangiato2112 Richmond, VAPosts: 1,538Member Common
    Originally posted by Vannor

    lol yeh, exactly. Your breakdown makes absolutely no sense at all because you don't understand the definition in the first place and completely ignored the 'exaggerated' bit. Like I said, lost cause.

    Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating its importance or benefits.

     

    So weve established the part before the comma.  However the part after the comma isnt even necessary to the definition, it says often, not always.

    Even so, I would say Trion by advertising more than usual for an expansion was certainly 'exaggerating its importance'.

     

     

  • Arcondo87Arcondo87 Prince Albert, SKPosts: 94Member
    ive grown bored/up out of MMORPG's there all the same thing no matter what ppl. say kill this go there get that lvl this and do it all over again n again....sounds fun...just as much fun as a bunch of guys on a boat fishing in the middle of no where...sounds kinda gay to me.
  • RoyalPhunkRoyalPhunk Vancouver, BCPosts: 174Member

    1. Excessive publicity and the ensuing commotion

    2. Exaggerated or extravagant claims made especially in advertising or promotional material

    3. An advertising or promotional ploy

    4. Something deliberately misleading; a deception

    I don't think Trion did any of these things this time. There was freaking tv commercials for Rift upon launch. This is definately a sleeper by comparison.

  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,968Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by strangiato2112
    Originally posted by Vannor

    lol yeh, exactly. Your breakdown makes absolutely no sense at all because you don't understand the definition in the first place and completely ignored the 'exaggerated' bit. Like I said, lost cause.

    Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating its importance or benefits.

     

    So weve established the part before the comma.  However the part after the comma isnt even necessary to the definition, it says often, not always.

    Even so, I would say Trion by advertising more than usual for an expansion was certainly 'exaggerating its importance'.

    Wrong, a sentence can only ever be understand in it's entirety. You can't just ignore the part after the comma to suit your needs.

    Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively whilst often exaggerating its importance or benefits.. means exactly the same thing. If they arn't often exaggerating its importance or benefits it doesn't fit the definition.

  • Originally posted by strangiato2112
    Originally posted by Vannor
    Originally posted by strangiato2112

    Is advertising not 'Promote or Publicize a product' as his deifnition of hype stated?  

    You think Promotion and Publicizing isn't a part of advertising? Now I know you're trolling. You can't really think that? Seriously..

    I just implied that it is...although i could have phrased the second half better, such as

    Is advertising not 'Promote or Publicize a product', which is a component of his defnition of hype

    or something like that.

     

     

    To break it down in case you arent following...Yes, having press releases is advertising.  Having press releases with great frequency is advertising intensively.  Which your definition clearly considers hype.

    okay man I'm not a fan boy or anyhting but.. you're currently losing - i'll try to be the neutral ground and clear the air. His definition of hyping a product is like saying, "Hey, I got 10 dollars for you." When, in fact, you only have 5 dollars. Delivering a product that is a lesser quality of what was advertised and expected.

  • strangiato2112strangiato2112 Richmond, VAPosts: 1,538Member Common
    Originally posted by Vannor
    Originally posted by strangiato2112
    Originally posted by Vannor

    lol yeh, exactly. Your breakdown makes absolutely no sense at all because you don't understand the definition in the first place and completely ignored the 'exaggerated' bit. Like I said, lost cause.

    Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating its importance or benefits.

     

    So weve established the part before the comma.  However the part after the comma isnt even necessary to the definition, it says often, not always.

    Even so, I would say Trion by advertising more than usual for an expansion was certainly 'exaggerating its importance'.

    Wrong, a sentence can only ever be understand in it's entirety. You can't just ignore the part after the comma to suit your needs.

    Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively whilst often exaggerating its importance or benefits.. means exactly the same thing. If they arn't often exaggerating its importance or benefits it doesn't fit the definition.

    Of course you can ignore the part after the comma when it says 'often'.  Often points to a common, but not necessary characteristic.  

    You are struggling here

  • strangiato2112strangiato2112 Richmond, VAPosts: 1,538Member Common
    Originally posted by jonesing22

    okay man I'm not a fan boy or anyhting but.. you're currently losing - i'll try to be the neutral ground and clear the air. His definition of hyping a product is like saying, "Hey, I got 10 dollars for you." When, in fact, you only have 5 dollars. Delivering a product that is a lesser quality of what was advertised and expected.

    And regardless of what any dictionary says thats not how hype is used most of the time anyway.  Hype really is equivalent to buzz in the common use of the word.  This site has a hype meter after all, which is to show the most anticipated games, not the games that are overselling their products the most.

     

    Still, even by the definition he gave, Rift was hyped, at least in my opinion because there is some subjective ground in the whole 'intensively' bit, but when one starts to think 'man they are really cramming Storm legion down our throat', that definitely qualifies as intensively.

  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,968Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by strangiato2112
    Originally posted by Vannor
    Originally posted by strangiato2112
    Originally posted by Vannor

    lol yeh, exactly. Your breakdown makes absolutely no sense at all because you don't understand the definition in the first place and completely ignored the 'exaggerated' bit. Like I said, lost cause.

    Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating its importance or benefits.

     

    So weve established the part before the comma.  However the part after the comma isnt even necessary to the definition, it says often, not always.

    Even so, I would say Trion by advertising more than usual for an expansion was certainly 'exaggerating its importance'.

    Wrong, a sentence can only ever be understand in it's entirety. You can't just ignore the part after the comma to suit your needs.

    Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively whilst often exaggerating its importance or benefits.. means exactly the same thing. If they arn't often exaggerating its importance or benefits it doesn't fit the definition.

    Of course you can ignore the part after the comma when it says 'often'.  Often points to a common, but not necessary characteristic.  

    You are struggling here

    Yeh I'm really struggling.. I'm sorry but the definition does not say:

    Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often (but not necessarly) exaggerating its importance or benefits.

    You are trying to change the definition to suit your arguement.. which makes it a completely different (and inaccurate) definition.

  • KhebelnKhebeln BelfastPosts: 671Member Uncommon
    Hes just trolling in yet another thread, no point to argue with him. Waste of time. Got better things to do like play the expansion :)

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  • ComanComan Hattem, AKPosts: 2,026Member Uncommon

    Look I do not think it was really hyped that much. I was aware of SL, but I was not bombarded by the advertisement. There are hyping up the expension now though with all the adds. 

    I am enjoying the expension...well ok just enjoying RIFT for now leveling a bard so have not really seen any of the SL content :P

  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,968Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Coman
    Look I do not think it was really hyped that much. I was aware of SL, but I was not bombarded by the advertisement. There are hyping up the expension now though with all the adds. 

    We've got another one.

    Often means to still do something.. it means you often do it. If you don't do something, you can't often do it. When hyping something you often exaggerate, as the definition says. If you don't often exaggerate, you arn't hyping.

    *I see you edited your post just as I hit quote...

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,187Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Coman

    Look I do not think it was really hyped that much. I was aware of SL, but I was not bombarded by the advertisement. There are hyping up the expension now though with all the adds. 

    I am enjoying the expension...well ok just enjoying RIFT for now leveling a bard so have not really seen any of the SL content :P

    I dunno I think it was pretty well advertised.  Like someone said, you can't browse through the site without seeing Crucia's tits.  It's the background as I post this.

    They also had the whole panda charity thing right at mop release going along in concept with their "not in azeroth" blurb.  They've done plenty of marketing and hype and touting.

    However, it is nowhere near the scale of TOR or GW2 marketing hype with that manifesto bullshit.

  • strangiato2112strangiato2112 Richmond, VAPosts: 1,538Member Common
    Originally posted by Vannor

    Yeh I'm really struggling.. I'm sorry but the definition does not say:

    Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often (but not necessarly) exaggerating its importance or benefits.

    You are trying to change the definition to suit your arguement.. which makes it a completely different (and inaccurate) definition.

    Sorry, guess you are unclear what often means.  I did try to explain that already, but you havent got it yet.

     

    If I made a statement that said: "A car engine is what makes the car run, often located in the front of a car"

    The defining characterestic of a car engine is the phrase 'makes the car run'.  A common characteristic is being located in the front of a car.  But its possible to fit the definition of a car engine and not be located in the front of the car.

    The old VW beetles had the mechanism that makes the car run in the rear.  its still a car engine.  So since it makes the car run, what was stated after the often is irrelevant.

    often and often (but not necessarily) both mean the exact same thing in this context.  

  • BetaguyBetaguy Halifax, NSPosts: 2,590Member
    Originally posted by doorb7
    Originally posted by Thane
    Originally posted by itchmon

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    i agree with the OP; it looks like it's gonna set the bar.

    kinda doubt that, sorry ^^

    erm, you cnt really doubt it lol, it already has set the bar, there isnt a single expansion for any themepark mmo that has been as good as storm legion is, in terms of what ithas added to the game in recent years. even MOP fails in comparison.

    Doesn't matter how good an expansion is when the core game fails...

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  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,187Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Vannor
    Originally posted by Coman
    Look I do not think it was really hyped that much. I was aware of SL, but I was not bombarded by the advertisement. There are hyping up the expension now though with all the adds. 

    We've got another one.

    Often means to still do something.. it means you often do it. If you don't do something, you can't often do it. When hyping something you often exaggerate, as the definition says. If you don't often exaggerate, you arn't hyping.

    Hype seems to be a fairly loose term in the world of marketing.  I feel like it's the impetus to generate buzz and Trion is pretty good at that.  The difference to me, compared to like GW2, is Trion is the master of poking at things or bringing a topic to the front in a way that makes it seem okay.

    They are the only dev studio I've seen make server merges seem normal and planned.  In my opinion they have one of the more brilliant marketing machines.

  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,968Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by strangiato2112

    often and often (but not necessarily) both mean the exact same thing in this context.  

    In the context of an object (Noun), yes. Not in the context of an action. As explained in my post above, try again.

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