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Haha... you just aren't talking about it anymore becuase you were proven wrong and have nothing to say. Fine, moving on.
Yes, I believe they're heading more in the direction of WoW for FFXIV ARR. Doesn't mean it's going to be an exact clone, but they're definitely going to have the features in place that many people were upset about not being in the original. However, it doesn't really matter to me, as long as the content and atmosphere of the game is awesome. I still play WoW, so I have no issues with it, anyway.
Ultimately, similar features don't make games clones. But if you're ignorant enough, every game is a clone of another. MagiKnight as proof of this.
Okay Bye.
Being braindead and comatose till it died isn't really 'alive&kicking'.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Clearly it's a WoW clone. Isn't that why we are all playing it?
The crafting system is EXACTLY like WoW.
The Mount Armor is EXACTLY like WoW.
The Classes gaining advanced class skills (ie gladiators becoming pallies, conjurers becoming whitemages, etc.) just like WoW
Leveling all the classes on one character just like WoW!
The gatherers and crafters are their own class EXACTLY like WoW
Teleporting to anywhere, to camps, to cities, JUST LIKE WOW.
The clunky UI of 1.0 and the streamlined UI of 2.0 are both just like WoW at the same time!
Gaining TP during combat to unleash my skills, just like WoW!
The Summoner is a warlock right?
The Paladin can be a main healer right?
The Blackmage only uses fire or ice or arcane spells right?
The White Mage has an evil shadow side right?
The quests lead me by the nose right?
The crafting becomes irrelevant and its just heroic/raid/daily grind at endgame right?
PVP just like WoW... even battlegrounds!
Speaking of PVP, everything is balanced right just like WoW!
Crafters repairing roofs and damage during PVP is just like WoW!
EDIT: Don't forget that copy and pasted Dungeon Finder in FFXIV, it wreaks of WoW...
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Actually the Warcraft franchise has been around for more than 8 years, which the mmo is based off of many years of games, tabletop games, and books. But i agree that as for mmo they did borrow many ideas from it predessors (eq etc...) which can be found in many mmo's today.
let see..
-. Gathering + crafting not exackly as wow since in FFXIV you controll ur crafting by ur self to either fail suceed or do high quality.
-. Mount yes but no flying mounts armor idon't know its in every mmo
- Class is different wow u choise paladin done. FFXIV you level up 2 different starter class to a point then you got paladin class avaible to unlock. No Talents points like in wow. 1.0 you did level class and character level witch was removed once job class was added 1.2.
- Well in wow you had to creat new character everytime uwanted to play new class but in FFXI and FFXIV you had 1 character. Usely ido would be pain start over with new character.
- teleport yes
- TP mana yes this is older then wow.
- Smn = warlock i played warlock and pet wasent so good for my taste basic had ur own powerful spells. But SMN is basic a elemental Beastmaster pet do the work while smn support by a heal or something like back in FFXI not sure if gona be same in FFXIV
- Paladin healer NO pure Tank in FFXIV
- BLM use Ice fire thunder sleep sort burst freeze and Flare powerful spells aracanic spells will be on another class a mage tank spells.
- WHM evil side no its pure main healer in game way totally different from many other games.
- Questing mission lores is old story this cant be avoided every game has it.
- Crafting is actully really important role in end/game to 1.2 and im sure 2.0 there is heroic instance there crafter is needed for this part its calling Hamlets there npc doing the fighting while you protect them as crafter you make debuff on enemies buff npc and 2.0 its gona be more challange of this encounter. Also very unique to sure.
Pvp there is not anything yet but im sure there will be battleground.
But still icant find FFXIV a copy of Wow but it does have borrwoing stuff why not? beacuse this always been an mmo Icon.
Even todays FPS games so fast they got exp or stuff they would call it mmo.
You can rule out sarcasm as something you can understand on the internet.
/facepalm.
I thought I was being too outrageous for someone to take me seriously.
But from his use of English, I can still hope he isn't a native speaker of English. And I have heard sarcasm is not an easy thing to grasp when learning English.
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Even if I can't get people off of 1.0 (Edeus) in a thread with a topic about ARR at least it is funny.
Fine I will bite. Let the 1.0 discussion continue. Henryk said that,
"Not every class of FFXIV is a hybrid. While it is true that before the job system came about, the distinction between the melee classes weren't big in terms of individual skills, they are very different in how a player can build their character because each of the 7 classes (melee & magic) can equip up to a certain number of skills from other classes provided that 1) the same character already learned those skills as another class; 2) those skills are one of a subset of each class' available skills that could be learned by another class. That's right! FFXIV 1.0 (and 2.0) characters can level each and every single class individually. You could decide to have no level as a gladiator, but play to lvl 20 in conjurer, lvl 30 in lancer, lvl 50 as a marauder. The same goes for Disciplines of Land (3 classes of material gatherers) and Disciplines of Craft (8 classes in total). Some people have hit lvl 50 in all 18 classes in ONE SINGLE TOON. Please tell me how is it similar to WOW, in which each toon can only be one combat-oriented class as the main class and a few crafting / gathering classes??"
I really have trouble responding to this..... It is WoW in so many ways. First, you are correct when you say that you can take skills from different classes for your one character. So people combine skills from conjurer and gladiator and what do you have? A hybrid. Most classes in WoW are hybrids. You are arguing that allowing a player to choose which hybrid he is is the opposite of a hybrid. This is not true. Second, allowing a player to have multiple classes with one character doesn't necessarily mean anything. Having multiple characters, each with one class, only allows for people to change the appearance of their character. If a player only has one character with multiple classes then he is just looking at the same charcter all the time. It's possible that the only change is a visual change.
I can respond to all of your other comments but I really really do not want to.
I'm a fan of each player having only one character, but not for this reason. Having only one charcter provides more stability, which is needed for communities. I'm a fan of how this was done in 1.0. But this thread is not about 1.0........ It's about how the director of ARR likes WoW.
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No one ever said anything about the artwork, CGI, or UI. I think the artwork, CGI, and graphics are different in every MMO. I'm not a WoW fan either. What make you think that I am a WoW fan?
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Your original arguement is about why you believe FFXIV ARR will be a "CLONE" of WOW, because in your opinion (you said you had stated more than 5 times), even in FFXIV 1.0, the game is already very similar to WOW. It doesn't matter if the end product made you "feel" that they are similar. The fact that FFXIV 1.0's class system is constructed entirely different than that of WOW's is already proof that they are not even close. I hope you know the definition of CLONE, as stated by some others in the thread. Both games' classes are hybrid so they are similar?? I dare you go to WOW's official forum and argue with the WOW players that most WOW classes are hybrid! You say a Warrior can be both a tank and a DPS in WOW? Yeah, but not without respec and changing your gear entirely, if you want to be effective about it. Can a warrior switch between a DPS and a tank frequently? Sure if you spend enough to respec all the time, but that's not what WOW players do. If they want a DPS, some of them will just roll a rogue. That's way more efficient than trying to be a DPS and tank warrior at the same time. If that's why you call MOST WOW classes as hybrid, that's your OWN OPINION, and there will be thousands if not hundred of thousands of current and previous WOW players (myself included) that will argue with you about the inefficiency of doing that (i.e, switching roles on the same toon frequently). You could probably say the Druid or the Death Knight is a hybrid, as each could be a tank, a healer or a DPS. But that's about it! (I haven't played monk, so I don't know about it).
It also shows your ignorance of the FFXIV 1.0 game system. If you are a archer in the game, even though you can get a heal skill (and only the lowest tier one) from your conjurer class, there is absolutely no way you can be a healer in a group by equiping just the one and only one healing spell allowable by the game from conjurer and call yourself the healer of the group. Your party will be slaughtered. (In fact, other players will just laugh at your face and tell you to move along). Even if you can equip SOME VERY LIMITED skills of other classes, you are by NO mean effective and efficient enough to change your role. All classes basically stick to their own role. You can heal as a marauder by equiping 1 heal spell from conjurer and 1 self-heal skill from pugilist? Great! You may be able to lessen the burden of your Conjurer / White Mage by self healing a very small amount here or there. That's it. You will NEVER be a healer, as implied by your view of them being a HYBRID. FFXIV classes are even less efficient / effective than WOW classes as hybrids. They simply AREN'T hybrid. Period.
As someone has pointed out later, having one character doing all classes in FFXIV allows most player to stay with only one character (sometimes with shared armor, but never weapons or main skills), and when you change class, it plays entirely differently (If you switch to your white mage class, there's no way you can be a tank or play the job of the black mage. In WOW, to play a different style, you have the freedom to play an entirely different faction (Alliance or Horde), with different gender, different race, with different crafting skills. Especially if you are on a different faction, a big chunk of the quests will be different. You say that's the same as having one toon only playing all classes with the exception of the graphics? That's purely ridiculous.
You apparently have tried to ignore my other counter arguements about why FFXIV 1.0 is NOT a clone of WOW, and just try to stick to one point. How convenient! Yeah,,,that dude just writes too long! I'd rather not read them all! Sure! Tell that to your boss in the real world when you really want to make your point across. Or tell your lawyer that's why you didn't read some fine prints!! See how well it goes!
You also have not identify how long you have been playing FFXIV 1.0 to call yourself a person with good knowledge about the game. Even if you have been a player of FFXIV 1.0 for a while and still believe that FFXIV 1.0 plays like WOW, that's entirely your own personal opinion. You could ask vast majority of players of FFXIV 1.0 players, and (in my opinion) they will tell you that you are wrong.
From your first response to my original message (when you express your surprise that I call FFXIV a sandbox), many people who have played it would know that you don't really know much about FFXIV. WHY?? Themepark games have quest hubs. You play and level in one zone, get better gears, then you move on to the next after whatever quests you want to do are done or you outlevel the zone. That's how WOW plays when you are not at the End Game.
That's NOT how you play or level your toon in FFXIV. There're rarely quests out in the individual zones for players to get and level with. You just get repeatable quest from the 3 (only 3) main cities, then teleport to the camps where you activate the quests there (which plays like a random encounter with no story attached to them). After you get them done, you go back to cities to get more (of the same type of quests). That's the levequest SYSTEM. The story, job, class, grand company quests etc are all separate and optional, and in order for your toon to be qualified to take on those quests, you have to level the corresponding classes / jobs / grand company ranks accordingly. It's entirely about character's progression, with 0% relevant to any zone itself. Instead of quest hubs, FFXIV 1.0 uses GAME SYSTEMS as contents to help level the PCs - besides levequests, they have hamlet defense, grand company repeatable quessts, dungeons, etc. Further more, while players have the OPTION to customize their character with skills from other classes, they are NOT mandatory. On the other hand, find me a WOW player who wouldn't grab all the skills that belong to the class of his toon! The skill trees only give toons speciality within a class, but never across classes.
So, even though FFXIV is not 100% reliant on game systems for players to level, it does so way more than most other MMORPGs out there. (The only one I've played that are similar would be SWG before NGE, as stated in my first message.) You can do 0% of the story, class, job quests etc and have your toon at max levels in all classes because the levequest SYSTEM allows player to do so, and it does not have quest hubs. That's why it is primarily a sandbox game.
You try ask someone to level their toons in WOW without doing any quest from all the quest hubs in each zone?? Sure you could just go out there to kill random mobs to level, but it will take you ages and honestly, do you believe anyone would do that, leveling purely from killing non-quest mobs??
Since you don't even understand this fundamental difference between WOW and FFXIV, I find it pointless to debate this topic further with you, who seems to argue your point just for arguement's sake. I may not change how you view these two games, as you certainly are entitled to your own opinions, but I don't care. Nor do I need to argue with you about how ARR would or would not be a clone of WOW. When the game comes out, let all the players be the judges. Unlike someone who claims to know so much about FFXIV ARR wtihout stating any concrete info about the game other than a general comment from the game developer and maybe watching a video or two of ALPHA game play, I preserve my judgement on ARR until it comes out. I stated my view about Yoshida-san's commentary on ARR and WOW in my last message, but apparently you haven't read it.
This will be my last response. My goal is to tell other fellow MMORPG gamers who have not tried FFXIV 1.0 or know enough about ARR why FFXIV 1.0 has nothing similar to WOW in terms of gameplay, the whole leveling experience, character progression and game structure. I believe ONLY genuine players who have been playing both games for months and years are qualified to make such a comparison. And I prove how different they are with facts from actually playing the games, not how I "feel" the games are similar with empty, qualitative sentences. You can still believe that FFXIV 1.0 are very very similar to WOW, but don't call it out as if those are facts.
OK lets change this to a WoW v 1.0 thread. Maybe clone is the wrong word to get the point across. Maybe it is more accurate to say that 1.0 germinated from WoW.
The WoW classes are hybrids. I would never go to the official WoW forums. The WoW system is ubiquitous. When I played WoW respecing and getting new gear was not that hard. Druid, paladin, shaman, warrior, death knight, and priest are all hybrids. They can perform multiple functions in a party. A non hybrid's function would be to ONLY heal, ONLY deal damage, or ONLY take hits. Efficiency has NOTHING to do with it. The mere option makes it a hybrid. If it was not a hybrid then ALL warriors would ONLY do damage on every single server.
FFXIV's classes are not as much of a hybrid as WoWs. As a conjurer I could take hits, deal damage (through spells), andh heal. This IS a hybrid. Partys were not so much about hybrids. Soloing was about hybrids and I could solo as much as I wanted (which sucks). They are hybrid.
What does gender and race matter in WoW? The few extra skills you get with different races are insignificant. Nothing changes with gender. Whether you play with the alliance or the horde it is virtuallly the same experience.
You do write too much for a forum.
I played 1.0 for four months. What do I care that everyone who played the game until the servers shut down thinks it is the best thing ever or that it doesn't play like WoW?
FFXIV is much more of a themepark than a sandbox game. I can't read anymore of that.
Edit: And I still really do not care about 1.0
Paladins could heal and do damage in FFXI, which launched before WoW. Was FFXI a WoW clone, too?
WHMs (the class version of WHM in XIV) could heal and do damage... does that mean FFXI was a WoW clone, too?
Every character in FFXI beyond level 18 was a hybrid, due to the Support Job system allowing you to bring abilities and bonuses of other jobs to bear for your main job. Does that mean FFXI was a WoW clone, too?
You don't know how "extremely solo friendly" ARR yet, as no one has actually really played it fully yet. The closest to that are the current Alpha testers, and they're not allowed to talk about it. So you're talking pure conjecture there.
"Traveling, experiences points, armor, skills, are all handed out. "
I've yet to have traveling "handed out" to me in XIV 1.0. With the exception of a couple nodes, I've had to physically go and unlock each aetheryte camp and node before I could teleport there. I've had to run along long distances to get where I needed to go, through dangerous terrain with mobs that could kill me in 3 hits at times. I've seen no indication that it will be any different in 2.0.
Every point of XP I've gained has been earned by completing a quest, fighting a mob, crafting something, harvesting something, etc. I've never gotten "exploration xp" in XIV for merely walking forward and crossing an invisible line like you do in WoW. So.. not sure what you're getting at there, either. No indication it'll be any different in 2.0.
Armor is handed out? Really? So players will never have to buy, craft or kill mobs or "raid bosses" to get gear in 1.0 or in ARR? They'll just fall from the sky and land in our inventory bags? Boy, was I gypped! Care to share how you know this? Or is it, yet again, just more conjecture?
And on... and on... and on... Your post is so full of easily disproven and blatantly cherry-picked misinformation that I'm almost impressed you had the nerve to even post it. Anyone who's played FFXIV for any amount of time would know right off the bat you're full of it. You can spin it any way you want, try to play with words or mis-label things so they fit your scenario better.. but at the end of the day... your entire post is nonsense.
Ignorance is bliss.
It seems that every MMO that comes out regardless, people will talk out of their anal cavity about stuff they know absolutely nothing about.
A Paladins damage in FFXI was insignificant. Whitemage damage in FFXI was insignificant. As a conjurer in FFXIV I could cast spells to do damage and it was not insignificant.
FFXI used subjobs to create extremely specialized classes. A Paladin did not sub whitemage to be a healer and tank. He subbed warrior to add provoke, more defense, hit points, etc. A whitemage subbed blackmage so that he had more mana, not to nuke. There are exception to this and they are just that, exceptions. For example, Dragoon subbing whitemage. A hybrid in FFXI (pre ToAU) was not thought very highly of. The redmage was really the only hybrid.
You can teleport anywhere you have traveled to once in FFXIV. Chocobos and air ships are easy to get. Everyone has them. These are all cheap modes of transportation. It is handed out
I never had any trouble finding anything in FFXIV. I just went to a shop or the place where the bazillions of retainers were. The point is that money is never a problem.
This is truth. I never even wanted to talk about 1.0 on this thread.
I played in the open beta for City of Heroes (the invasion event at the end would have been bunches of fun were it not for the lag). It launched more than half a year before WoW did.
Only a nub would classify games like SWG and CoX as failures. They ran for over 8 years each and made tons of money. Games that are failures are ones that made no profit (eg Secret World and FFXIV). As far as copying WoW goes, MY PERSONAL OPINION here,WoW was the worst MMO ever made. I tried to play it numerous times and it was boring. I have only liked 1 game that was made kinda like it. If they go this route I will try the game (probably on ps3) and if I like it, cool. If not, then I'll start to complain about it.
Omgggggggggg he asked what games shut down their servers