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In order to ban The BOTs, Arena Net decided to ban legit players too!

HefaistosHefaistos BucharestPosts: 186Member

No, there was no program who detected the bots.

No, there was not a research done,

No, there dont have special tools...it was just A BIG MASS BANWAVE!

 

Good thing is that you could unban yourself in less then a day if you provide your email/key/char name to them so they can search in your account and check if you are a bot!!! Best company ever, best game ever, for dem fp2 games.

 

around 4.000 accounts banned for no reason

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/account/Blocked-Suspended-Terminated-Player-Comments

 

I LOVE GW2!! BEST GAME EVER! 

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  • RoxtarrRoxtarr Freeland, MI, MIPosts: 1,122Member
    It happens in every game.  How do you know that the new software didn't mistakenly detect a few real players as bots?

    If in 1982 we played with the current mentality, we would have burned down all the pac man games since the red ghost was clearly OP. Instead we just got better at the game.
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  • MukeMuke BredaPosts: 2,171Member Uncommon

    Funny part that gamedevs always ban innocent players.

    My personal experience though is that the innocent player that you played with for so many years or read about on the forums that get banned usually don't tell the entire story. :)

     

     

    devs don't ban at random will, certainly not where it matters paying customers....

     

    "going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  • JackFrostyJackFrosty Edmonton, ALPosts: 103Member
    Its a B2P game, what do you expect. The more legit users they ban the more people have to go buy another copy of GW2. Pure profit for them. They get to clean up the bots and make a tidy profit at the same time with collateral damage.

    When I wake up, the real nightmare begins

  • TwoThreeFourTwoThreeFour Virginia, VAPosts: 2,131Member
    Originally posted by Hefaistos

    No, there was no program who detected the bots.

    No, there was not a research done,

    No, there dont have special tools...it was just A BIG MASS BANWAVE!

     

    Good thing is that you could unban yourself in less then a day if you provide your email/key/char name to them so they can search in your account and check if you are a bot!!! Best company ever, best game ever, for dem fp2 games.

     

    around 4.000 accounts banned for no reason

    https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/account/Blocked-Suspended-Terminated-Player-Comments

     

    I LOVE GW2!! BEST GAME EVER! 

     

    It is great, just don't play like a bot and you won't get banned in the first place. This is precisely why I love Arenanet so much.

  • HefaistosHefaistos BucharestPosts: 186Member

     

    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Originally posted by Hefaistos

    No, there was no program who detected the bots.

    No, there was not a research done,

    No, there dont have special tools...it was just A BIG MASS BANWAVE!

     

    Good thing is that you could unban yourself in less then a day if you provide your email/key/char name to them so they can search in your account and check if you are a bot!!! Best company ever, best game ever, for dem fp2 games.

     

    around 4.000 accounts banned for no reason

    https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/account/Blocked-Suspended-Terminated-Player-Comments

     

    I LOVE GW2!! BEST GAME EVER! 

     

    It is great, just don't play like a bot and you won't get banned in the first place. This is precisely why I love Arenanet so much.

     

     

    Not me man, relax!!! Tell me why few thousands innocent players were banned for nothing ? As for me... Oh, i quit the game 2 weeks after ive dinged max lvl. What to do ? Farm dungeons? For a skin? Play spvp? Do WvW? So opposite realm get the keep while EU is asleep?? Fun while it lasted....NEXT!

     

    Thanks, ive played few games that really blow my mind and GW2 is just another themepark easy game. 

  • MukeMuke BredaPosts: 2,171Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Hefaistos

     

     

     

    Not me man, relax!!! Tell me why few thousands innocent players were banned for nothing ?

    you got proof that they are innocent?

    As you say 'thousands of innocent players' are banned.....you got proof that they are honest players? Because I take it you got inside information that's usually only available to the technical team in Anet.

    I play EVE Onlinee for God knows how many years now, I know many 'friends' that got temp+perma bans because the devs are 'always banning innocent players'.

    And they ALL came to the forums trying to get attention of the wrongdoing by the devs, they ALL socialized with their friends and corps/guilds, they all were active on Teamspeak etc etc....but in the end they were breaking the EULA.

    And in ALL cases they turned out to be botters, RMTers, exploiters after all. and I learned it the hard way by having some RL friends - who wouldnt do anything wrong ever intheir life for 110%- botting in MMOs.

     

     

    So..where's the proof outside of emotional players crying about them getting banned?

     

    "going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  • HefaistosHefaistos BucharestPosts: 186Member
    Originally posted by Muke
    Originally posted by Hefaistos

     

     

     

    Not me man, relax!!! Tell me why few thousands innocent players were banned for nothing ?

    you got proof that they are innocent?

    As you say 'thousands of innocent players' are banned.....you got proof that they are honest players? Because I take it you got inside information that's usually only available to the technical team in Anet.

    I play EVE Onlinee for God knows how many years now, I know many 'friends' that got temp+perma bans because the devs are 'always banning innocent players'.

    And they ALL came to the forums trying to get attention of the wrongdoing by the devs, they ALL socialized with their friends and corps/guilds, they all were active on Teamspeak etc etc....but in the end they were breaking the EULA.

    And in ALL cases they turned out to be botters, RMTers, exploiters after all. and I learned it the hard way by having some RL friends - who wouldnt do anything wrong ever intheir life for 110%- botting in MMOs.

     

     

    So..where's the proof outside of emotional players crying about them getting banned?

     

    Everyone on official forum who performed Restore Acces steps, got his account back after the one responsible search trough his account. Gold, Map Completion, bla bla. 

     

    A bot is usually 1 lvl 80 with 2% map completed. 

  • ScalplessScalpless SnowballvillePosts: 1,395Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Hefaistos
    Originally posted by Muke
    Originally posted by Hefaistos

     

     

     

    Not me man, relax!!! Tell me why few thousands innocent players were banned for nothing ?

    you got proof that they are innocent?

    As you say 'thousands of innocent players' are banned.....you got proof that they are honest players? Because I take it you got inside information that's usually only available to the technical team in Anet.

    I play EVE Onlinee for God knows how many years now, I know many 'friends' that got temp+perma bans because the devs are 'always banning innocent players'.

    And they ALL came to the forums trying to get attention of the wrongdoing by the devs, they ALL socialized with their friends and corps/guilds, they all were active on Teamspeak etc etc....but in the end they were breaking the EULA.

    And in ALL cases they turned out to be botters, RMTers, exploiters after all. and I learned it the hard way by having some RL friends - who wouldnt do anything wrong ever intheir life for 110%- botting in MMOs.

     

     

    So..where's the proof outside of emotional players crying about them getting banned?

     

    Everyone on official forum who performed Restore Acces steps, got his account back after the one responsible search trough his account. Gold, Map Completion, bla bla. 

     

    A bot is usually 1 lvl 80 with 2% map completed. 

    That's a gold farming bot. Gold farmers aren't the only ones who use bots.

  • Zeus.CMZeus.CM ZagrebPosts: 1,788Member
    OP, so you quit the game 2 weeks ago and you still whine about and bash GW2? Why do you care?
  • GwapoJoshGwapoJosh Auburn, INPosts: 989Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Hefaistos

     

    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Originally posted by Hefaistos
     

     

    Not me man, relax!!! Tell me why few thousands innocent players were banned for nothing ? As for me... Oh, i quit the game 2 weeks after ive dinged max lvl. What to do ? Farm dungeons? For a skin? Play spvp? Do WvW? So opposite realm get the keep while EU is asleep?? Fun while it lasted....NEXT!

     

    Thanks, ive played few games that really blow my mind and GW2 is just another themepark easy game. 

    Why do you care about ban waves?  You quit and don't plan to return.. I'm confused.

    "You are all going to poop yourselves." BillMurphy
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  • botrytisbotrytis In Flux, MIPosts: 2,567Member
    Originally posted by Hefaistos

    No, there was no program who detected the bots.

    No, there was not a research done,

    No, there dont have special tools...it was just A BIG MASS BANWAVE!

     

    Good thing is that you could unban yourself in less then a day if you provide your email/key/char name to them so they can search in your account and check if you are a bot!!! Best company ever, best game ever, for dem fp2 games.

     

    around 4.000 accounts banned for no reason

    https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/account/Blocked-Suspended-Terminated-Player-Comments

     

    I LOVE GW2!! BEST GAME EVER! 

    Get over it. It happens in every game. Innocents get caught - just appeal the ban. GET OVER IT!

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    "In 50 years, when I talk to my grandchildren about these days, I'll make sure to mention what an accomplished MMO player I was. They are going to be so proud ..."
    by Naqaj - 7/17/2013 MMORPG.com forum

  • Ice-QueenIce-Queen USA, GAPosts: 2,451Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by JackFrosty
    Its a B2P game, what do you expect. The more legit users they ban the more people have to go buy another copy of GW2. Pure profit for them. They get to clean up the bots and make a tidy profit at the same time with collateral damage.

    ^^Pretty much this^^

    Always problems like this wish Buy to Play games.

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    What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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    Dark Age of Camelot

  • HefaistosHefaistos BucharestPosts: 186Member
    It was 1 month ago, not just 2 weeks ago, when ive stoped playing Gw2. And i care, because this is NOT how a gaming company should treat their customers in 2012!!!
  • TorgrimTorgrim GothenburgPosts: 2,088Member
    Originally posted by JackFrosty
    Its a B2P game, what do you expect. The more legit users they ban the more people have to go buy another copy of GW2. Pure profit for them. They get to clean up the bots and make a tidy profit at the same time with collateral damage.

     

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    If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  • rykim86rykim86 winnipeg, MBPosts: 236Member
    Originally posted by Hefaistos
    It was 1 month ago, not just 2 weeks ago, when ive stoped playing Gw2. And i care, because this is NOT how a gaming company should treat their customers in 2012!!!

    LOL.

    Obviously you've never owned and ran a company, much less managed one.  And no, a manager at a burger joint doesn't count.

    Every company makes their policies quite clear that, by law, a customer or any other person can request at anytime.  And like every other online gaming EULA, if they suspect you of doing anything fraudulent, you're flagged.  

    Honestly, the whiners who were banned are the same people who think they're doing nothing wrong by participating in riots.

     

    Case in point, don't do crap that'll draw attention to youself.  

     

    TADA!

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Arenanet guy "hey for fun why don't we ban legitimately players"
    2nd arenanet guy"yeah let's decide to that, should be good for shits and giggles"



    AS IF!
  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,289Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Muke
    Originally posted by Hefaistos

     

     

     

    Not me man, relax!!! Tell me why few thousands innocent players were banned for nothing ?

    you got proof that they are innocent?

    As you say 'thousands of innocent players' are banned.....you got proof that they are honest players? Because I take it you got inside information that's usually only available to the technical team in Anet.

    I play EVE Onlinee for God knows how many years now, I know many 'friends' that got temp+perma bans because the devs are 'always banning innocent players'.

    And they ALL came to the forums trying to get attention of the wrongdoing by the devs, they ALL socialized with their friends and corps/guilds, they all were active on Teamspeak etc etc....but in the end they were breaking the EULA.

    And in ALL cases they turned out to be botters, RMTers, exploiters after all. and I learned it the hard way by having some RL friends - who wouldnt do anything wrong ever intheir life for 110%- botting in MMOs.

     

     

    So..where's the proof outside of emotional players crying about them getting banned?

     

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  • GardavsshadeGardavsshade Cedar Springs, MIPosts: 756Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by botrytis
    Originally posted by Hefaistos

    No, there was no program who detected the bots.

    No, there was not a research done,

    No, there dont have special tools...it was just A BIG MASS BANWAVE!

     

    Good thing is that you could unban yourself in less then a day if you provide your email/key/char name to them so they can search in your account and check if you are a bot!!! Best company ever, best game ever, for dem fp2 games.

     

    around 4.000 accounts banned for no reason

    https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/account/Blocked-Suspended-Terminated-Player-Comments

     

    I LOVE GW2!! BEST GAME EVER! 

    Get over it. It happens in every game. Innocents get caught - just appeal the ban. GET OVER IT!

    This.

    Real Players that played GW2 like a real person is supposed to play it (without thirdparty BOT programs) will get their accounts reactivated if you contact Support and provide them with what they need.

    In return we get thousands of BOTs removed from the game. Not a perfect system but there isn't going to be a perfect system as long as the BOTs and their Masters keep trying to cheat their way in MMOs. There's the real villian. Even if I was banned (temporarily) I would mind it at all because there is a way to fix the problem.

    A potentially problematic WIN for real Players, but still a WIN.

  • botrytisbotrytis In Flux, MIPosts: 2,567Member
    Originally posted by Hefaistos
    It was 1 month ago, not just 2 weeks ago, when ive stoped playing Gw2. And i care, because this is NOT how a gaming company should treat their customers in 2012!!!

    It happened in Rift, with Trion banning people who weren't botting but got caught in the bot ban frenzy. It happens. If you think it doesn't you are either niave or just - well let's not go there.

     

    They can appeal, what is the big deal. Better they catch the bots (so that people, you were one, that complained they weren't catching bots) and now that they are, you are complaining.

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    "In 50 years, when I talk to my grandchildren about these days, I'll make sure to mention what an accomplished MMO player I was. They are going to be so proud ..."
    by Naqaj - 7/17/2013 MMORPG.com forum

  • MosesZDMosesZD Kirkwood, MOPosts: 1,383Member
    Originally posted by Hefaistos

     

    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Originally posted by Hefaistos

    No, there was no program who detected the bots.

    No, there was not a research done,

    No, there dont have special tools...it was just A BIG MASS BANWAVE!

     

    Good thing is that you could unban yourself in less then a day if you provide your email/key/char name to them so they can search in your account and check if you are a bot!!! Best company ever, best game ever, for dem fp2 games.

     

    around 4.000 accounts banned for no reason

    https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/account/Blocked-Suspended-Terminated-Player-Comments

     

    I LOVE GW2!! BEST GAME EVER! 

     

    It is great, just don't play like a bot and you won't get banned in the first place. This is precisely why I love Arenanet so much.

     

     

    Not me man, relax!!! Tell me why few thousands innocent players were banned for nothing ? As for me... Oh, i quit the game 2 weeks after ive dinged max lvl. What to do ? Farm dungeons? For a skin? Play spvp? Do WvW? So opposite realm get the keep while EU is asleep?? Fun while it lasted....NEXT!

     

    Thanks, ive played few games that really blow my mind and GW2 is just another themepark easy game. 

     

    First, I've been reading that thread, on-and-off for months as the thread is TWO MONTHS LONG.    The way this is presented, you'd think it'd happened over-night.

     

    Second, botting is not the primary ban reason in that thread.   If you actually read the thread, it seems that most of those bans are for fraudulent/failed purchases and not accidental botting bans.   And where '4,000' came from...    As far as I can see, someone's pulling things out of his butt, but maybe it's in there.   

     

    So, two things.  First, don't be 'clever' and buy the game, get the code, then reverse the charges.    That's a crime and they'll (eventually because it takes time for the reversals to process through the system) ban your account.   Plus they WILL NOT UNBAN THAT ACCOUNT.   You'll have to start over.   

     

    Second, make sure your CC Company doesn't generate an automatic fraud-alert/stop-payment on your purchase.  I know CitiCorp, my card issuer, almost always runs a fraud alert on on-line game purchases for MMOs and has, in the past, stopped payment without my permission.  So, now I call the fraud department every time I make a purchase from SoE, ANet, or whatever MMO to clear the alert.  

     

    (BTW, the reason is, for those who don't know, gold sellars used stolen CC #'s (or yours if you're stupid enough to buy gold from criminals) to buy access to games for botting purposes.   CitiCorp isn't being stupid, they know the issue and work hard to prevent the fraud.  But that means I, on occassion, am inconvienced by these anti-fraud provisions.   This is part of modern gaming life and not the MMOs fault.)

  • BanquettoBanquetto CityPosts: 1,037Member Uncommon

    In real life law and justice, I subscribe to Maimonides' principle that "it is better and more satisfactory to acquit a thousand guilty persons than to put a single innocent one to death."


    But when it comes to banning bots, my principle is more "you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs."


    Got wrongly banned? File a ticket. They'll sort it out, and when you're un-banned, you'll have a better game to come back to, with less bots.

  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCPosts: 5,610Member Uncommon
    This thread reminded me, I'm almost out of tinfoil... certainly not enough to make a hat. Must go shopping.
  • TheIronLegionTheIronLegion Columbia, SCPosts: 269Member
    Originally posted by JackFrosty
    Its a B2P game, what do you expect. The more legit users they ban the more people have to go buy another copy of GW2. Pure profit for them. They get to clean up the bots and make a tidy profit at the same time with collateral damage.

    Thats a pretty shallow and untactful comment. Do you realize that players who are banned don't have to go buy another copy of the game? Do you realize that they can just appeal the ban and so long as they provide the required info (which isnt much) then they'll be off the hook. Or are you just stupid and felt like throwing sand at a sand crab.

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  • SereliskSerelisk somewhere, NYPosts: 836Member

    hehe, I guess I, of all people, are part of this massive wave of people who got banned. 

    I certainly doubt it is as bad as OP indicates, but since I don't have access to the forums currently I can not make a comment on it. :P 

    My account was apparently permanently terminated for gold selling. I'm not sure how in any way this could've happened since I've now confirmed no one has logged in or attempted to log in from any location other than this one, I've never received even a single bit of GW2 spam/phishing attempts, and no indication whatsoeveer that the account was compromised. 

    Also, there was no warning, suspensions, or emails sent explaining an impending ban. This was clearly a mistake on Anet's part and I only fault them for the mistake happening. I won't jump to any conclusions that they're suddenly incompetent or trying to get people to pay for the game again like some people might like to believe... 

    Also, there's no way they legit thought I was a bot or gold selling because, not only have a never interacted with or transacted with more than 6 gold EVER and that was to buy gems, I was in the middle of WvW actively runnign around, talking in map chat, and buying upgrades for Hills Keep. We're fighting against TC and Yak's in Tier 3 and that stuff was getting intense. 

    -shrug- 

    I guess I'll just wait for the problem to resolve itself. In the meanwhile, I was reading things like this to make me more assured my issue would get solved. Sucks that it happened but hopefully I can get over it. lol

  • Br3akingDawnBr3akingDawn a City, CAPosts: 1,357Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Hefaistos

     

    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Originally posted by Hefaistos

    No, there was no program who detected the bots.

    No, there was not a research done,

    No, there dont have special tools...it was just A BIG MASS BANWAVE!

     

    Good thing is that you could unban yourself in less then a day if you provide your email/key/char name to them so they can search in your account and check if you are a bot!!! Best company ever, best game ever, for dem fp2 games.

     

    around 4.000 accounts banned for no reason

    https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/account/Blocked-Suspended-Terminated-Player-Comments

     

    I LOVE GW2!! BEST GAME EVER! 

     

    It is great, just don't play like a bot and you won't get banned in the first place. This is precisely why I love Arenanet so much.

     

     

    Not me man, relax!!! Tell me why few thousands innocent players were banned for nothing ? As for me... Oh, i quit the game 2 weeks after ive dinged max lvl. What to do ? Farm dungeons? For a skin? Play spvp? Do WvW? So opposite realm get the keep while EU is asleep?? Fun while it lasted....NEXT!

     

    Thanks, ive played few games that really blow my mind and GW2 is just another themepark easy game. 

    So...you didnt know the game was like that?? mostly if not only about cosmetic farming?......

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