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bioware-- first company to charge for your skill bars in your ui.

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  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,288Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mikahr
    Originally posted by Phry

    funny you should mention SWG, i mean, SOE changed the game completely in such a way that the existing playerbase quit enmasse.. bitter irony or just another case of deja vu, either way, its all turned into something of a farce. Seems like the only company willing to admit they got it wrong and fix their game.. is SE..  image

    If you repeat to yourself "SWTOR is AWESOME" enough tmes, maybe it becomes truth :)

    Both SoE and EA have same way - disbelief truth so they look like madman in torn dirty clothes thinking he is royalty.

    Cute but, in the end, being fair to your customers pays off in long term. Lying/missguiding them can work short term, but long term its disatreous.

    What do you think EA does?

    Earth and Beyond, thats what i think EA does, it always seems to end badly, is it a jinx or is it interference,  has any company flourished under EA ? image

  • SuprGamerXSuprGamerX Montreal, QCPosts: 531Member
     LOL!! EA will always be garbage , once the game racks in no profit they'll simply pull the plug and shut the game down , those still playing SW:ToR WTF are you waiting for to uninstall this sorry excuse of a MMO?   This is even worst then Age of Conan , which is pretty hard for me to believe!! LOL!!
  • curacura WarsawPosts: 950Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Talonsin

    I have played since launch, pre-ordered the CE on day one and still play for the story and even I think that charging for a frickin action bar is insane.  It honestly is an all time low for a publisher.  I thought the lockboxes in STO were bad (and they are) but having to pay to get an action bar?  I am in complete shock over how awful this is.

     

    I wonder how F2P people are supposed to play without ability to slot their skills. Or maybe there is enough slots by default?

  • LizardEgyptLizardEgypt Yarmouth, NSPosts: 337Member
    And this is why in the realm of Themepark, Rift is the only game worth looking at. These F2p transitions will only continue to get worse as people start to accept more.

    Currently playing - FF14ARR
    Previous games - SWG, World of Warcraft, ShadowBane, Warhammer, Age of Conan, Darkfall, Planetside Asheron's Call, Everquest, Everquest 2, Too many.

  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,288Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by Talonsin

    I have played since launch, pre-ordered the CE on day one and still play for the story and even I think that charging for a frickin action bar is insane.  It honestly is an all time low for a publisher.  I thought the lockboxes in STO were bad (and they are) but having to pay to get an action bar?  I am in complete shock over how awful this is.

     

    I wonder how F2P people are supposed to play without ability to slot their skills. Or maybe there is enough slots by default?

    There arent enough slots, at least not after the first 15 or so levels.  a single hot bar is nowhere near close enough. Which means if you really are serious about playing, you must buy the extra hot bars. But thats just a single factor, just wait till you get loot drops you can't use without paying to unlock. image

  • curacura WarsawPosts: 950Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Phry
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by Talonsin

    I have played since launch, pre-ordered the CE on day one and still play for the story and even I think that charging for a frickin action bar is insane.  It honestly is an all time low for a publisher.  I thought the lockboxes in STO were bad (and they are) but having to pay to get an action bar?  I am in complete shock over how awful this is.

     

    I wonder how F2P people are supposed to play without ability to slot their skills. Or maybe there is enough slots by default?

    There arent enough slots, at least not after the first 15 or so levels.  a single hot bar is nowhere near close enough. Which means if you really are serious about playing, you must buy the extra hot bars. But thats just a single factor, just wait till you get loot drops you can't use without paying to unlock. image

    Heh, i can imagine.

    BTW, just found cartel points calculator which gives you $ estmation

    http://www.swtor-spy.com/guides/swtor-cartel-market-calculator/2769/

  • kevnonkevnon portland, ORPosts: 20Member
    just tried out swtor, and im so far pretty happy.  only lvl 12 but i like it.  might actually subscribe to it, well see how everything goes.

    kevin ripka

  • casual187casual187 omaha, NEPosts: 32Member
    Originally posted by Boldyn

    MegAtrO...ah cba, the first player ever to whine about something that is free! Oh wait, you ain't. My bad.

     

    You don't have to pay for those bars to try the game out. It's an excellent way to let people try the game. If i fall for an MMO I would be happy to pay a monthly fee, like I did with WoW, Rift, Eve and other games untill the day I decided not to play them anymore. Just like I did with SWTOR. F2P wont see me return, even if it was all free ;)

     

    Bottom line is you all look jaded by now with the whole "*Sniff* EA destroyed my hopes for a Star Wars mmo".

     

    If you like the game, pay. If you don't like the game, don't play. If you want to try it out, do so, it's f2p.

     

    Other than that, move the F on allready!

    *clap* *clap* *clap* vey well said.

  • kevjardskevjards carlislePosts: 1,463Member
    i,m logging in just to see the restrictions..i think the game is about to get blasted into the cosmos again.all these restrictions.especially the ui,that beggars belief.i seriouly dont think they are doin themselves any favours by restrictions on the ui.
  • WinterizerWinterizer Fuzzy Wuzzy CavePosts: 65Member

    It is only 250 cartel coins to unlock a skill bar, not even the price of a beer

     

    Come on, stop whining about F2P and enjoy that you get to play something if you decide to pay nothing

  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon
    Wasn't it already stated in another thread that Gamersfirst actually did this when FallenEarth went f2p thus making this OP false?
  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,968Member Uncommon
    I would have definately played this FTP launch.. but not after this. They must have some serious idiots working on the cash shop for this game. If they quickly remove the dumb cash shop options and stick to traditional ones they will get a much better return from making it FTP.. how can all those goons with loads of degrees and stuff that work for them not see this? When a game is clearly failing you do not start taking chances and seeing what you can get away with. They should release a book called how to put the final nail in the coffin.
  • Blazer6992Blazer6992 Las Vegas, NVPosts: 606Member Uncommon

    When in battle I used three out of the four bars for combat. Without at least three bars I can't even play. That's why I wont be playing.

     

  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,288Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by kevnon
    just tried out swtor, and im so far pretty happy.  only lvl 12 but i like it.  might actually subscribe to it, well see how everything goes.

    And if the servers were actually up we might even believe you .. oops image

  • RoyalPhunkRoyalPhunk Vancouver, BCPosts: 174Member

    I would try it out if I didn't think they were going to charge me to un-install.

  • tiefighter25tiefighter25 Winchester, MAPosts: 937Member
    Originally posted by Phry
    Originally posted by kevnon
    just tried out swtor, and im so far pretty happy.  only lvl 12 but i like it.  might actually subscribe to it, well see how everything goes.

    And if the servers were actually up we might even believe you .. oops image

    parallel universe?

  • TamanousTamanous Edmonton, ABPosts: 2,125Member Uncommon

    At best their payment model is a freemium trial account so stop getting your panties in a bunch expecting full access. It is painfully obvious that they want their players to pay the sub if they wish to play the game more.

     

    In some ways I respect what they are doing (I won't play the game mind you). Most freemium games try to allow full access to the game (even if you have to jump through multiple hoops to do so). SWTOR basically is saying that if you want to play for free, you aren't going to be annoying the paying customers much who choose to pay for full access and expect as much. It is teh more  honest approach, even if you hate it.

     

    SWTOR f2p = extended trial.

    You stay sassy!

  • bizoux86bizoux86 Bangor, PAPosts: 85Member
    Originally posted by MeGaTronPower

    Bioware the first f2p company to charge you for your skill bars in your ui, i think they might as well charge you everytiem you try to login and customize your new character too while they are at it.

     

    OOOO yea how about those slide bars that you customize your character with , heyyyy they might want to charge for those slide bars too.

    Yeah this is ridiculous - this was a BIG factor in my decision to not return to SW:TOR when it went semi-f2p.  I had thought about logging in and playing my old toons, but why would I? They so severely limited their free option, I mean fewer skill bars than p2p?! Really? How lame can you get? 

  • tiefighter25tiefighter25 Winchester, MAPosts: 937Member
    Originally posted by Tamanous

    At best their payment model is a freemium trial account so stop getting your panties in a bunch expecting full access. It is painfully obvious that they want their players to pay the sub if they wish to play the game more.

     

    In some ways I respect what they are doing (I won't play the game mind you). Most freemium games try to allow full access to the game (even if you have to jump through multiple hoops to do so). SWTOR basically is saying that if you want to play for free, you aren't going to be annoying the paying customers much who choose to pay for full access and expect as much. Is some respects it is a very honest approach.

     

    SWTOR f2p = extended trial.

    Except Bioware has stated the purpose of the FTP option is the exact opposite.

  • TamanousTamanous Edmonton, ABPosts: 2,125Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by tiefighter25
    Originally posted by Tamanous

    At best their payment model is a freemium trial account so stop getting your panties in a bunch expecting full access. It is painfully obvious that they want their players to pay the sub if they wish to play the game more.

     

    In some ways I respect what they are doing (I won't play the game mind you). Most freemium games try to allow full access to the game (even if you have to jump through multiple hoops to do so). SWTOR basically is saying that if you want to play for free, you aren't going to be annoying the paying customers much who choose to pay for full access and expect as much. Is some respects it is a very honest approach.

     

    SWTOR f2p = extended trial.

    Except Bioware has stated the purpose of the FTP option is the exact opposite.

    Well then it is marketing spin. If they choose to lie about it that is another matter lol.

     

    If someone serves you shit that looks like shit and smells like shit yet calls it cake ... do you still eat it?

     

    I see a lot of people eating shit around here.

    You stay sassy!

  • BlasphimBlasphim San Diego, CAPosts: 349Member Common

    Charging for UI features? I think I may have to finally uninstall Tor. And I was hoping that it could be something to tool about on warzones and whatnot....*sigh* have some nifty music and a Malgus statue I guess....

  • AmanaAmana New York, NYPosts: 2,533Moderator Uncommon

    This thread just seems set up to bash instead of actually hold some sort of discussion. This topic has been explored in existing threads about F2P. 

    These threads, for example:

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/369140/What-F2P-restriction-do-you-hate-the-most.html

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/367422/Freemium-restrictions-detailed-updated-Oct-16.html

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