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  • mmodannommodanno Orrington, MEPosts: 163Member

    Guys, you have to remember how few people there are actually still left working on this game.

    Most MMOs don't take 12-16 hours to patch, however, most MMO's have more then 5 or 6 people working on them also.

     

  • sleepr27sleepr27 LisbonPosts: 103Member
    Originally posted by mmodanno

    FYI to those new to Star Wars, The Old Republic.

    Bioware never, and I mean NEVER, comes close to their predicted downtimes.  They are always hours, sometimes hours and hours over.

    Which is completely false. Again someone spreading false information in order to make Bioware look bad. They usualy end their maintenance hours before the predicted time... of course like any other MMO sometimes there are exceptions.

  • SanisarSanisar birmingham, ALPosts: 19Member
    Originally posted by negativf4kk
    Originally posted by mmodanno

    Anarchy Online had the worst launch ever... by far.

    Game was unplayble due to lag and crashes.  Took them months to straighten it out.  By the time they did, everyone left.

    Too bad, it was, (still is), a really fantastic MMO with lots of fresh, (for its time) ideas.

    Swtor had a VERY smooth launch in comparison...  but, and this is a big but, :) , they waited too long to merge servers when they started to lose subs.  Within 2 months most servers were ghost towns, which led to more cancelations, and so on and so on...

    If they had been agressive with server merges, I am confident in saying the game would probably have at least double the number of subs it has now.

    Oh, btw, Mnwild, the reason I posted this was so that new people wanting to try SWTOR wouldn't give up trying.  Us vets know how bad ...really really bad.. the crew they have is at managing updates, so more of an FYI to newbies.  I think someone needs a nap.

     

    Never played it. So can tell. From my experience its SWtor.


    All will be judged when servers  go online. From my 5 month experience with SWtor i dont expect much.

    This guy nailed it btw.  I bought AO the first day and couldn't actually play the game till weeks later.  You probably shouldn't make absolute statements like 'ever' when you have virtually no experience (from what I can tell) with MMO launches.  Not to be overly rude but you sound like you are parroting tag-lines from post launch forums.  SWTOR wasn't even in my top 5 worst launches ever (and I haven't played nearly every game at launch).

  • WhitebeardsWhitebeards TokyoPosts: 778Member
    Originally posted by mmodanno

    Guys, you have to remember how few people there are actually still left working on this game.

    Most MMOs don't take 12-16 hours to patch, however, most MMO's have more then 5 or 6 people working on them also.

     

    So i guess they have been running with skeleton crew since launch because i remeber for first two month many times they took servers down for 2 hours but got extended to 8 hours and more.

  • achesomaachesoma Portland, ORPosts: 1,000Member Uncommon

    To be expected with any major patch.  Just hope performance is better than it used to be. 

    Anyone still playing able to tell me if game is performing better?  I used to get some major lag spikes and drops in fps in major cities and especially on space stations.  Tempted to go back and check out this so-called "F2P"  Mainly just yearning for some Star Wars. 

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  • negativf4kknegativf4kk WorthingPosts: 377Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by azrael466
    Originally posted by negativf4kk

    Expect massive lag as usual after update.

    It was worst MMO launch ever. Same probably will happen today.

     

    I'm sorry, but you're either a hater, or an idiot. While no MMO launch is perfect, SWTOR was far....FAAAAAAR from the 'worst ever'. Look at WoW, only MOP had a decent release. Hell, back in classic major patches alone would knock the servers down for a week.

    No i`m not a hater. I loved Swtor what what it is. Nice single-player game. Idiot i was paying a sub for it.

    Head start was terrible. Guild elocation program ton of rubish. Queque timer was broker or they borrowed it from MIB headqueters. Disconects without timeout. etc .... etc... My worst experience. If anything launching like that i will want my money back.

     

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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid hell, NJPosts: 6,779Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mnwild1998

     

     

    Id say its time for the guy whos complaining about the video to update his pc. Its not a lower quality video the lengths these trolls will go to look like fools.

    if you actually read my coment i said when i was subscribed the video was high quality and no image tearing. I dont need to update my PC for any existing mmo so far, all of them run smooth on ultra. I did notice the difference now that i watch the cinematic video with the F2P transition going today. It also happened with Aion, when i was playing as P2P the gameplay was higher quality, and after the F2P transition i played again and it feels a bit clunky (just a bit but i notice the difference)

    Some companies do take as an offence when their mmo has to go F2P.... they kind of act like, Oh my game is going f2p, then they will not get the quality of a subscription mmo.

     

    EDIT: you could read my coment and then answer instead of looking like a fool too by answering to my post in other peoples comment

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  • WhitebeardsWhitebeards TokyoPosts: 778Member
    Originally posted by negativf4kk
    Originally posted by azrael466
    Originally posted by negativf4kk

    Expect massive lag as usual after update.

    It was worst MMO launch ever. Same probably will happen today.

     

    I'm sorry, but you're either a hater, or an idiot. While no MMO launch is perfect, SWTOR was far....FAAAAAAR from the 'worst ever'. Look at WoW, only MOP had a decent release. Hell, back in classic major patches alone would knock the servers down for a week.

    No i`m not a hater. I loved Swtor what what it is. Nice single-player game. Idiot i was paying a sub for it.

    Head start was terrible. Guild elocation program ton of rubish. Queque timer was broker or they borrowed it from MIB headqueters. Disconects without timeout. etc .... etc... My worst experience. If anything launching like that i will want my money back.

     

    No one is disagreeing with your personal experince. Like i said experince may vary. But you did try to make it sound as if your own personal experince is some universal truth. I had more problems with GW2 launch and i had to wait 4 days before i could log in and missed head start. SWTOR was smooth sailing for me.

    But you won't see me try to make it look as if my personal experince is some universal fact. It is not what you say but how you say it.

  • tiefighter25tiefighter25 Winchester, MAPosts: 937Member
    Is this the thread where a bunch of people point out that Tor has usually gone over estimated downtimes on patch day and then a bunch of other people point out that Vanilla WoW was down for decades on patch day eight years ago and caused the stock market to crash and the sun to implode?
  • AirtaeeAirtaee Santa CruzPosts: 84Member

    Sadly performance is totally random atm.

    The memory leak is a huge problem that BW can state or solve so after 2 hours of play if you have less than 16GB RAM the game is like a cancer for your system.

     

    Lag is random for players, you can run smooth one day and can't even walk other with less people on screen.

     

    Of course there is always a dude who doesn't have any problems and say is your fault... Sadly must be fault of the 90% of the people who have lag issues, random disconections and insane lag spikes.

  • achesomaachesoma Portland, ORPosts: 1,000Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by tiefighter25
    Is this the thread where a bunch of people point out that Tor has usually gone over estimated downtimes on patch day and then a bunch of other people point out that Vanilla WoW was down for decades on patch day eight years ago and caused the stock market to crash and the sun to implode?

    Yes, this is the thread.

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  • OmnifishOmnifish LondonPosts: 616Member

    From their twitter feed it says they have no, 'ETA', on when the servers will be up. They also haven't bothered to update the launcher with this info.

    Like the OP says this is common practice with SWTOR, although usually they will have a message on the launcher.  It'd almost forgot this about this usual practice, that was a fun reminder :P

     

    In case you enjoy these things: https://twitter.com/SWTOR

    This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!

  • negativf4kknegativf4kk WorthingPosts: 377Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by negativf4kk
    Originally posted by azrael466
    Originally posted by negativf4kk

    Expect massive lag as usual after update.

    It was worst MMO launch ever. Same probably will happen today.

     

    I'm sorry, but you're either a hater, or an idiot. While no MMO launch is perfect, SWTOR was far....FAAAAAAR from the 'worst ever'. Look at WoW, only MOP had a decent release. Hell, back in classic major patches alone would knock the servers down for a week.

    No i`m not a hater. I loved Swtor what what it is. Nice single-player game. Idiot i was paying a sub for it.

    Head start was terrible. Guild elocation program ton of rubish. Queque timer was broker or they borrowed it from MIB headqueters. Disconects without timeout. etc .... etc... My worst experience. If anything launching like that i will want my money back.

     

    No one is disagreeing with your personal experince. Like i said experince may vary. But you did try to make it sound as if your own personal experince is some universal truth. I had more problems with GW2 launch and i had to wait 4 days before i could log in and missed head start. SWTOR was smooth sailing for me.

    But you won't see me try to make it look as if my personal experince is some universal fact. It is not what you say but how you say it.

    Its not what u read its how u want to read it.

    In my experience its worst ever. And because i am the center of the univers. It is a my universal fact. If it diffrent to your univers its not my problem.

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  • cronius77cronius77 Fairfax, VAPosts: 1,347Member Uncommon
    i agree about the memory leak problem as there is about 20 different posts about it with tons of replies on the OF and bioware ignores it which pisses me off also. I have 8 gigs of ram and every two hours or so on the dot the game crashes to desktop and i have to restart everything which is annoying as hell. I have an active sub and try not to bitch much about the game but silence speaks volumes about how this day is going to end up. They need to learn to communicate much better period as they lack any communication with their community just like mythic does with theirs for months when warhammer was dying. I guess EA customer support isnt trained properly or something.
  • WhitebeardsWhitebeards TokyoPosts: 778Member
    Originally posted by negativf4kk
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by negativf4kk
    Originally posted by azrael466
    Originally posted by negativf4kk

    Expect massive lag as usual after update.

    It was worst MMO launch ever. Same probably will happen today.

     

    I'm sorry, but you're either a hater, or an idiot. While no MMO launch is perfect, SWTOR was far....FAAAAAAR from the 'worst ever'. Look at WoW, only MOP had a decent release. Hell, back in classic major patches alone would knock the servers down for a week.

    No i`m not a hater. I loved Swtor what what it is. Nice single-player game. Idiot i was paying a sub for it.

    Head start was terrible. Guild elocation program ton of rubish. Queque timer was broker or they borrowed it from MIB headqueters. Disconects without timeout. etc .... etc... My worst experience. If anything launching like that i will want my money back.

     

    No one is disagreeing with your personal experince. Like i said experince may vary. But you did try to make it sound as if your own personal experince is some universal truth. I had more problems with GW2 launch and i had to wait 4 days before i could log in and missed head start. SWTOR was smooth sailing for me.

    But you won't see me try to make it look as if my personal experince is some universal fact. It is not what you say but how you say it.

    Its not what u read its how u want to read it.

    In my experience its worst ever. And because i am the center of the univers. It is a my universal fact. If it diffrent to your univers its not my problem.

    No i read exactly how you wrote it. Why angry though? it is very easy for people to get confused by reading words especially if not chosen properly.

  • moguy2moguy2 Saint Peters, MOPosts: 337Member

    Seriously, you folks make a thread about their servers not being up ? You realize just because its free to play doesnt mean its OMG BETTER . The gripes you had months ago are still going to be there. That single player feeling , is still there. The wierd bugs that dont ever seem to be addressed, yep still there. But by golly lets bitch about them not letting you BACK into the game that sucked before, but for free.

    People will moan regardless and the lemmings will follow. Have fun doing this same crap over, just for free =(

  • KaeriganKaerigan None Of Your BusinessPosts: 689Member

    "Maintenance is still extended. We still do not have an ETA, but be sure to keep an eye on this account for the latest updates."

    from the SWTOR Twitter account.

    <childish, provocative and highly speculative banner about your favorite game goes here>

  • Z3R01Z3R01 NYC, NYPosts: 2,426Member
    Originally posted by moguy2

    Seriously, you folks make a thread about their servers not being up ? You realize just because its free to play doesnt mean its OMG BETTER . The gripes you had months ago are still going to be there. That single player feeling , is still there. The wierd bugs that dont ever seem to be addressed, yep still there. But by golly lets bitch about them not letting you BACK into the game that sucked before, but for free.

    People will moan regardless and the lemonings will follow. Have fun doing this same crap over, just for free =(

    What the hell is a lemoning? 

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  • achesomaachesoma Portland, ORPosts: 1,000Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Airtaee

    Sadly performance is totally random atm.

    The memory leak is a huge problem that BW can state or solve so after 2 hours of play if you have less than 16GB RAM the game is like a cancer for your system.

     

    Lag is random for players, you can run smooth one day and can't even walk other with less people on screen.

     

    Of course there is always a dude who doesn't have any problems and say is your fault... Sadly must be fault of the 90% of the people who have lag issues, random disconections and insane lag spikes.

    16GB of RAM image  Holy cow!  Maybe that's why I had problems.  I've got 8GB.  Performance was a huge issue for me and the main contributing factor for me quitting.  My rig is over 4 years old but I played WoW, LOTRO, Rift, TSW, and GW2 with no issues.  I thought the whole purpose of the heavy instancing and "stylized" graphics was for better performance.  But what do I know, I'm not a techy guy.

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  • Greymantle4Greymantle4 Posts: 803Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by moguy2

    Seriously, you folks make a thread about their servers not being up ? You realize just because its free to play doesnt mean its OMG BETTER . The gripes you had months ago are still going to be there. That single player feeling , is still there. The wierd bugs that dont ever seem to be addressed, yep still there. But by golly lets bitch about them not letting you BACK into the game that sucked before, but for free.

    People will moan regardless and the lemonings will follow. Have fun doing this same crap over, just for free =(

    For me being able to play the storyline without a sub is all the difference in the world. I found the storyline interesting and fun but the rest of the game was not worth the sub fee to me. For free its perfect. :)

  • AirtaeeAirtaee Santa CruzPosts: 84Member
    Originally posted by moguy2

    Seriously, you folks make a thread about their servers not being up ? You realize just because its free to play doesnt mean its OMG BETTER . The gripes you had months ago are still going to be there. That single player feeling , is still there. The wierd bugs that dont ever seem to be addressed, yep still there. But by golly lets bitch about them not letting you BACK into the game that sucked before, but for free.

    People will moan regardless and the lemonings will follow. Have fun doing this same crap over, just for free =(

    Lol sadly is not true! The crap is not free , you need to pay for everything, the only thing you can do for free is level .

    You can't equip purples, you can't use your quickbars, you can't craft, you can't access to endgame.

    Even you need to pay for access to some bugs, like the toggle hood feature for companions (yes is not a joke you need to pay for access to this), and is bugged in cinematics.

    Holly Crap, in fact the only thing you ge for free is the lag and the memory leak!

  • achesomaachesoma Portland, ORPosts: 1,000Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Z3R01
    Originally posted by moguy2

    Seriously, you folks make a thread about their servers not being up ? You realize just because its free to play doesnt mean its OMG BETTER . The gripes you had months ago are still going to be there. That single player feeling , is still there. The wierd bugs that dont ever seem to be addressed, yep still there. But by golly lets bitch about them not letting you BACK into the game that sucked before, but for free.

    People will moan regardless and the lemonings will follow. Have fun doing this same crap over, just for free =(

    What the hell is a lemoning? 

    It's a little rodent with the fesh scent of citrus?

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  • moguy2moguy2 Saint Peters, MOPosts: 337Member
    Originally posted by Z3R01
    Originally posted by moguy2

    Seriously, you folks make a thread about their servers not being up ? You realize just because its free to play doesnt mean its OMG BETTER . The gripes you had months ago are still going to be there. That single player feeling , is still there. The wierd bugs that dont ever seem to be addressed, yep still there. But by golly lets bitch about them not letting you BACK into the game that sucked before, but for free.

    People will moan regardless and the lemonings will follow. Have fun doing this same crap over, just for free =(

    What the hell is a lemoning? 

    You ever hear a word in your head and then your fat fingers spell something else. Lol ! Yep, another reason why I need to diet. Thanks for the catch though.

  • Z3R01Z3R01 NYC, NYPosts: 2,426Member
    Originally posted by moguy2
    Originally posted by Z3R01
    Originally posted by moguy2

    Seriously, you folks make a thread about their servers not being up ? You realize just because its free to play doesnt mean its OMG BETTER . The gripes you had months ago are still going to be there. That single player feeling , is still there. The wierd bugs that dont ever seem to be addressed, yep still there. But by golly lets bitch about them not letting you BACK into the game that sucked before, but for free.

    People will moan regardless and the lemonings will follow. Have fun doing this same crap over, just for free =(

    What the hell is a lemoning? 

    You ever hear a word in your head and then your fat fingers spell something else. Lol ! Yep, another reason why I need to diet. Thanks for the catch though.

    Im sitting here at work picturing a bunch of lemons following people around. Made me laugh. 

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    Waiting on:

  • negativf4kknegativf4kk WorthingPosts: 377Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by negativf4kk
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by negativf4kk
    Originally posted by azrael466
    Originally posted by negativf4kk

    Expect massive lag as usual after update.

    It was worst MMO launch ever. Same probably will happen today.

     

    I'm sorry, but you're either a hater, or an idiot. While no MMO launch is perfect, SWTOR was far....FAAAAAAR from the 'worst ever'. Look at WoW, only MOP had a decent release. Hell, back in classic major patches alone would knock the servers down for a week.

    No i`m not a hater. I loved Swtor what what it is. Nice single-player game. Idiot i was paying a sub for it.

    Head start was terrible. Guild elocation program ton of rubish. Queque timer was broker or they borrowed it from MIB headqueters. Disconects without timeout. etc .... etc... My worst experience. If anything launching like that i will want my money back.

     

    No one is disagreeing with your personal experince. Like i said experince may vary. But you did try to make it sound as if your own personal experince is some universal truth. I had more problems with GW2 launch and i had to wait 4 days before i could log in and missed head start. SWTOR was smooth sailing for me.

    But you won't see me try to make it look as if my personal experince is some universal fact. It is not what you say but how you say it.

    Its not what u read its how u want to read it.

    In my experience its worst ever. And because i am the center of the univers. It is a my universal fact. If it diffrent to your univers its not my problem.

    No i read exactly how you wrote it. Why angry though? it is very easy for people to get confused by reading words especially if not chosen properly.

    U found anger in my reply. That how u wanted to read it. I found my reply pretty funny.
     

    U might  live in a very angry universe.

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