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Dragons are overdone. What unique creatures would you use as the "main villain"?

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  • KroxMalonKroxMalon swindonPosts: 409Member
    Dragons are great. they are just not bad ass enough these days..
  • Odinthedark1Odinthedark1 Linden, NJPosts: 330Member
    What about an underworld setting, with the last boss as Hades and Cerberus, with the maturity and graphics style of Age of Conan....fighting a gigantic three headed dog that breathes fire sounds awesome to me. with the main enemies being the undead army of hades.
  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Ul''dah, CAPosts: 1,537Member Uncommon

     

    There is so much more to it than simply it being "a dragon"; firstly, it isn't an end boss, as it only appeared in the cutscene (and before that we were told it was a meteor spell intent to lay waste to the land, the primals and those who opposed His Radiance).  There was well over 50 hours of cutscenes the past year about a Meteor being cast down (a lot of fight scenes as well!) and you trying to do everything in your power to stop it.  There was even a countdown to Impact on the login screen, and then suddenly it turned out to be Bahamut (a huge surprise to players).

    The END BOSS of 1.0 was a man named Nael Van Darnus, an Imperial Legatus (Judge) and you fought him on a high platform in hopes to stop him from using himself as a beacon to call Meteor down upon (after destroying his machine that did so, he sought to sacrifice his body for his "master" -- the Meteor called Dalamund).

    It was a brutal fight to be sure on the hardest difficulty.

    Though, it was quite beautiful with Meteor just hanging overhead as you fought the guy.

    Here is the final boss of FFXIV (Spoilers; though it doesn't matter since this version is not available as of yesterday)

    When faced with strife or discontent, the true nature of a man is brought forth. It is then when we see the character of the individual. It is then we are able to tell if he is mature enough to grin and bare it, or subject his fellow man to his complaints and woes.

  • dreamsofwardreamsofwar bangorPosts: 468Member
    Originally posted by Jaedor

    Would love to see a boss that you had to beat using intellect including/rather than brawn. The Kael'thas fight in WoW was tactically one of the best in recent memory but even that was ultimately a brawn fight.

    done.

  • VrikaVrika FinlandPosts: 2,583Member Uncommon

    1. Anime girls in a game with otherwise realistic graphics

    2. Tax forms that are alive

    3. Floor

  • Ramonski7Ramonski7 Aurora, ILPosts: 2,656Member Uncommon

    Interesting topic. I too think that mmos could come up with more than dragons as main villans. Here is a short list for me:

    • Original sins: main villians based on greed, lust, envy, pride, glutton, wrath and sloth
    • Elements: Earth, fire air and water (think giant golem-like)
    • Bible based: Behemoth, Leviathan, Nephilim, Horsemen (conquest, war, famine and death), The First Beast and The Second Beast.
    • Aquatic origins: Kraken, Tiamat (not D&D) or Hydra
    • Final Fantasy summons: Names are fair game since they are not original. Just need to render their own interpretation.
    • Astrology based: Leo, Aquarius, Scorpio, etc.
    • Insect based: scarabs, scorpions, spiders

    The base concept for the creatureless suggestions could be anything: birds, lions, apes, serpents, winged demons and such.

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  • OzivoisOzivois Phoenix, AZPosts: 598Member
    Dragons are the biggest, baddest things around... they will always be the end bosses.  Greek mythology could present some unique boss ideas, though.
  • Odinthedark1Odinthedark1 Linden, NJPosts: 330Member
    Originally posted by Ozivois
    Dragons are the biggest, baddest things around... they will always be the end bosses.  Greek mythology could present some unique boss ideas, though.

    its cliche movie wise but havent seen it done in games too often or even done right, in my last post what i had goin in my head was hades trying to invade the human realm with his undead army, and your character is the "hero' that pushes him back to the underworld, taking down bosses up the army ranks till you take down the generals then cerberus and meet hades. a bit basic but if done right i think it would make a great greek mythology game.

  • TheCrow2kTheCrow2k Adelaide, AKPosts: 953Member
    Beholder or the Lesser known Illithid hives or an Aboleth.

    All are known for their scheming & manipulation.
  • ManestreamManestream PrestonPosts: 633Member Uncommon
    Demons not a minor or lesser demon though but one of powerful stature
  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Vineland, NJPosts: 869Member
    Originally posted by tofke
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    Originally posted by tofke

    Dolphins!

    They could be the evil masterminds of the universe and you wouldn't even understand em!

    HA!

    Would they be ill tempered and have laser beams attached to there freakin heads?

    Mm lasers makes em even more terifying!! Like dinosaurs with lasers and saddles! :o We're onto something! Let's create a new IP! To the SOE mobile!

    ROFL

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  • JohnH2005JohnH2005 Corpus Christi, TXPosts: 25Member
    Originally posted by Arcondo87
    i too am sick of seeing dragons in ever y single mmo as UNBER LEET bosses...WE WANT SUMTHING DIFFRENT!

    How about a spelling or grammer test?  That would be the ultimate boss!  99% of players would fail!

    If you use "plz" because it is shorter than "please" I will use "no" because it is shorter than "yes."

  • JohnH2005JohnH2005 Corpus Christi, TXPosts: 25Member

    Tarrasque.  Kind of dragon like but not quite dragon.  Though it is neither good or evil it is a force of destruction.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarrasque_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)

     

    https://www.google.com/search?q=tarrasque&hl=en&tbo=u&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS479US479&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=vSKlUN2gOYfO9QSGwYAY&ved=0CEMQsAQ&biw=1517&bih=756

     

    I guess the genre of the game really determines the type of end bosses you should/could have.  Super Villians are fine.  They can come in all shapes, sizes and forms.  Pulling from D&D/Fantasy you have Ilitthid, Beholders, Lich's etc.

     

    There are tons of Fantasy artists out there that can draw some crazy looking stuff.  All of it is game if you make your own world.

    If you use "plz" because it is shorter than "please" I will use "no" because it is shorter than "yes."

  • dave6660dave6660 New York, NYPosts: 2,543Member Uncommon
    Those religious people who ring my door bell every Saturday and Sunday morning to try to convert me.

    “There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.”
    -- Herman Melville

  • Neo_LibertyNeo_Liberty Lufkin, TXPosts: 429Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by JohnH2005

    Tarrasque.  Kind of dragon like but not quite dragon.  Though it is neither good or evil it is a force of destruction.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarrasque_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)

     

    https://www.google.com/search?q=tarrasque&hl=en&tbo=u&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS479US479&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=vSKlUN2gOYfO9QSGwYAY&ved=0CEMQsAQ&biw=1517&bih=756

     

    I guess the genre of the game really determines the type of end bosses you should/could have.  Super Villians are fine.  They can come in all shapes, sizes and forms.  Pulling from D&D/Fantasy you have Ilitthid, Beholders, Lich's etc.

     

    There are tons of Fantasy artists out there that can draw some crazy looking stuff.  All of it is game if you make your own world.

    +1

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  • NBlitzNBlitz ZwollePosts: 1,904Member
    Originally posted by JohnH2005
    Originally posted by Arcondo87
    i too am sick of seeing dragons in ever y single mmo as UNBER LEET bosses...WE WANT SUMTHING DIFFRENT!

    How about a spelling or grammer test?  That would be the ultimate boss!  99% of players would fail!

    99%? I guess you're kind of right.

  • WalterWhiteWalterWhite CardiffPosts: 394Member Uncommon
    EAzilla. A giant predator that eats up everything and leaves a trail of huge horrible smelly turds along the way.

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  • RydesonRydeson Canton, OHPosts: 3,858Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by dreamsofwar
    Giants, ogres, vampires, trolls (like the big ones in LOTR), wraiths, undead, chimeras, Medusa.

    My thinking as well..   I like to see a better variety of mobs and bosses, instead of just reusing the same model with different colors..

  • maplestonemaplestone Ottawa, ONPosts: 3,099Member

    A dragon by any other name is still a large pool of hit points and an apocolyptic attack.  If you want to design a unique main villain, then you need a unique question that is the foundation of your story.  Your villain is the embodiment of the wrong answer to this question.  I find that once I have the question, its answer and why it's the wrong answer, details like what it looks like or how it attacks or what it's fatal weakness is become easy to fill in.

    If the central question of your story is "Who thinks they can possibly defeat my awesome might and take my treasure?", then your villain is going to end up behaving ike a dragon no matter what body you want to slap on it.

  • EyrothathEyrothath Phoenix, AZPosts: 198Member
    Dragons are not over-done until a game comes out where you can go out and tame them to fight for you and ride them freely as pets..
  • greenreengreenreen Punchoo, AKPosts: 2,101Member Uncommon

    Did anyone mention "The Nothing". That's a scary opponent. You can't even hit it between the eyes. Video of reference.

  • redcappredcapp brook, NYPosts: 722Member

    Well, I think dragons still have their place.  An MMO has yet to really do them well, like others have said.

     

    However, I wonder if a .. less high fantasy setting could work in an MMO.  Something like you have in a song of ice and fire.

  • XAPKenXAPKen Northwest, INPosts: 4,919Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by fenistil
    Originally posted by Krematory
    Lawyers?

    lawlz

    I would add venture capitalists and investment bankers also though.

     

    Add central bankers and I think you've got a winner.


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  • ZorgoZorgo Deepintheheartof, TXPosts: 2,226Member

    Turns out, it's 'man'.

     

  • FearumFearum Cinnaminson, NJPosts: 1,166Member Uncommon
    A Panda, they are scary.
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