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Has the mass exodus begun for GW2?

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  • fayknaymfayknaym Washington, DCPosts: 125Member
    I don't really understand what exactly is the problem here. There is a new type of gear and a new dungeon...cool...so why are people upset? Can someone explain the issue at hand? I am actually super excited for the new patch. You would think ANET is guilty of animal abuse from reading these types of threads.
  • SirFubarSirFubar SeoulPosts: 397Member
    Originally posted by sketchy_

    Wow people complaining about the grind in GW2?... really? And all this whine about ascended gear. I don't get it. Don't do the content if you don't like it. It's a minor difference in stats from the gear you already have.

    Ye sure getting certain achievments might be a bit grindy, but don't do it then? Do what you enjoy in the game instead, I'm having a blast in WvW so that's what I do. I don't go and force myself through content I don't like because you don't have to.

    Sure if there's nothing in the game you enjoy I can understand why you don't play but geeeh don't blame it on grind. The game ain't forcing anyone to grind.

    Exactly. Sure you will have to if you want to complete the new dungeon and maybe even the next ones, but I'm pretty sure the grind won't be as bas as people think it will. I'm also pretty sure you won't have to grind for more than 1 ascended gear set to be able to complete the dungeons they will add later. Just like how the dungeons works atm with the exotic gear. People get nuts for nothing really, they don't even know exactly how it will work. Also comparing this to WoW is nonsense, WoW will always be worst than GW2, they won't add this kind of grind. The WvW won't be affected whatsoever since the difference in stats is minimal. So nothing to complain about really, people jump to conclusion too quickly.

  • TheIronLegionTheIronLegion Columbia, SCPosts: 269Member

    Man, I'm seeing a lot of complaints and whining about the new tier of gear coming with the lost shores, but my question is: what's the issue? You guys are calling it an end game gear-grind when the stat difference between the new gear and the currently existing gear is nearly negligable. It will likely be an aesthetic difference that really sets the bar for these weapons/armor sets. Also we don't even know all of the steps involved in getting teh gear. It may be just one or two nights of work for the avid player and maybe a week for the casual mate who plays on occasion. Look at the legendary pieces you can already obtain. Day 4 of release I saw friends of mine wielding legendary weapons and working on their sets. I have one friend who finished his set and weapon in less than a week. It really doesn't take that long. Granted he plays a lot more than I do.

    Also I think the term "grind" is very relative. If you stand in a field of centaurs and kill them over and over for their horns for, lets say, 7 hours straight with no breaks(except to pee and eat) then that'd be considered a nice, beefy grind. But, lets say you split that work up over 2 or 3 days. Have you still grinded? Well that's all dependant on how you feel. Do you feel like you grinded? do you feel as though you stood in a field for 7 cumulitive hours? All up to you, really. Mainly, what I think is that gamers are getting lazy. That's right I said it....LAZY!!!!

    If you really want to talk about grind and really want your eyes to bleed from staring at your screen for too long then go play vanilla Aion or Lineage II. That, my friends, is grind. What Guild Wars 2 asks you to do in comparison to games like that, or any korean super grinder, is childs play. Go ask a korean kid of about 14 years old to play GW2, level to max, and get a full set of legendary gear. His response will likely be "See you tomorrow." And he'll probably laugh at you for asking him to do something so miniscule(in his opinion).

    So is it going to be grindy? If you're lazy...then sure.

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  • eye_meye_m Notta Chance, ABPosts: 3,133Member Uncommon
    Well maybe this "mass exodus" will free up a spot for my friend so he can join us on Tarnished Coast.  I'm going to continue with having fun in a game I enjoy. Good luck to all those people who can't.

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  • ThupliThupli Spokane, WAPosts: 583Member Uncommon

    Yeah, there is a mass exodus and even though the servers say full, it's all a conspiracy and they are really empty.  Tinfoil hat much?

     

    No, my server is full and alive.  And on top of that, folks that ranted about the game and are still ranting are still playing it, so that says something right there.

  • ThupliThupli Spokane, WAPosts: 583Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by chaintm

    Actually due to this thread…
     

    https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Thoughts-on-Ascended-Gear-Merged-threads/first


    I am leaving the game as well.. don't take me wrong its a good game and all, but this changes everything for players like me. I wish everyone a good farewell and gl in the future, for some will like this. I however, do not and won’t participate. This was NOT suppose to happen in GW2 according to so many interviews and post from the devs. It feels like a slap to the face to be honest, the grind was never to be part of GW2 never, now it is if you want to "compete" and it seems this is just step one in many more releases according to one rep that said basicly collect threw out the year and into the future.

     

    Hombre, 2 things.

     

    1. The gear is in between Exotic and Legendary gear.  It's not better than legendary.

    2. The slots are actually for adding things that fine-tune against a new mechanic called Agony... it has no relevance to pvp or WvW.  You can't add stats in them from what I have read.

    Maybe find out all of the details before making your final determination.  They haven't busted out a bunch of details on it.

  • rastapastorrastapastor KnurPosts: 153Member Uncommon

    Ppl so get used to carrot on a stick that they cant manage their entertainment in GW2. There is so much activities to do at lvl 80. All that "game  is boring" complainers haven't even done 50% of what current state of GW2 offers. They just came from WoW or other grind fuck games and whine for changes to make GW2 second WoW. I'm mad at ArenaNet that they felt under the whiners pressure just like Blizzard did. Dunno how will it end. Ppl are retarded and in order to feel progress they need better gear, but normal ppl should progress their personal skill not through gear but through hounderds of hours they spent on playing and training proffession and learning tacts. I'm feeling my progress, i sucked as a Guardian but after playing some more hours every day  i'm better. My timing is faster, now i know how and when use my skills properly i learned how to swap weapons efficently and there are still a lot of space for me to progress. Progressing is not only the carrot on a stick and if players don't realize that nothing will change and GW2 will fall on another MMO clone train.

    I was and im still hardcore fan of ArenaNet, but...now there is a scratch on their monument, i hope it will not grow, cuz eventually it will fall like Blizz. They should stick to their philosophy and ignore complainers. As i said there is ton of activities You can do at lvl 80, just discover it.

     

     

    As for PvE there is so much room for imporvements.

     

     

    They can make encounter harder not by rising its gear lvl requirement, but by designing more hardcore mechanics. Force players to use their brain, remove corpse run from the dungeons, so that will bring the wipe factor, make mobs more active, not just tank and spank, give ppl possibility to use the enviroment around, think about new PvE modes, not only dungeons.

    There is a lot of room for PvE improvements for hardcore players. Make survival paths in dungeons with no possibility to ress after death (tp will appear after wipe), bring “brain” puzzles (not jumping puzzles) to the dungeons (for example in Asura style dung, there will be s place with “PC” and u will have to enter the code, every digit of the password you will be able to guess or reveal after completing math puzzles(text puzzles, sudoku>), every bad password the system will spawn set of mobs and You have only 3 tries, after 3rd try protector boss will spawn and will open protector path  for players,but if u enter password correctly that will open another path), they can also bring some hardcore jumping puzzles that will require timing from all the team, make it time dependant so if u fail to finish it will open some new path and if u win it will open another path, they can make mechanics based on sound (let me explain, You 're walking in a dungeons and You hear sth behind the walls, lauder and lauder and based on that sound You have to dodge piles or sith destroying walls and crushing through the flor you are stepping, dodge and correct positioning would be required). Pathing in GW2 dungs is a great idea so they can expand this more.

  • KarteliKarteli Providence, PAPosts: 2,646Member
    Originally posted by rastapastor

    Ppl so get used to carrot on a stick that they cant manage their entertainment in GW2. There is so much activities to do at lvl 80. All that "game  is boring" complainers haven't even done 50% of what current state of GW2 offers. They just came from WoW or other grind fuck games and whine for changes to make GW2 second WoW. I'm mad at ArenaNet that they felt under the whiners pressure just like Blizzard did. Dunno how will it end. Ppl are retarded and in order to feel progress they need better gear, but normal ppl should progress their personal skill not through gear but through hounderds of hours they spent on playing and training proffession and learning tacts. I'm feeling my progress, i sucked as a Guardian but after playing some more hours every day  i'm better. My timing is faster, now i know how and when use my skills properly i learned how to swap weapons efficently and there are still a lot of space for me to progress. Progressing is not only the carrot on a stick and if players don't realize that nothing will change and GW2 will fall on another MMO clone train.

    I was and im still hardcore fan of ArenaNet, but...now there is a scratch on their monument, i hope it will not grow, cuz eventually it will fall like Blizz. They should stick to their philosophy and ignore complainers. As i said there is ton of activities You can do at lvl 80, just discover it.

     

     

    As for PvE there is so much room for imporvements.

     

     

    They can make encounter harder not by rising its gear lvl requirement, but by designing more hardcore mechanics. Force players to use their brain, remove corpse run from the dungeons, so that will bring the wipe factor, make mobs more active, not just tank and spank, give ppl possibility to use the enviroment around, think about new PvE modes, not only dungeons.

    There is a lot of room for PvE improvements for hardcore players. Make survival paths in dungeons with no possibility to ress after death (tp will appear after wipe), bring “brain” puzzles (not jumping puzzles) to the dungeons (for example in Asura style dung, there will be s place with “PC” and u will have to enter the code, every digit of the password you will be able to guess or reveal after completing math puzzles(text puzzles, sudoku>), every bad password the system will spawn set of mobs and You have only 3 tries, after 3rd try protector boss will spawn and will open protector path  for players,but if u enter password correctly that will open another path), they can also bring some hardcore jumping puzzles that will require timing from all the team, make it time dependant so if u fail to finish it will open some new path and if u win it will open another path, they can make mechanics based on sound (let me explain, You 're walking in a dungeons and You hear sth behind the walls, lauder and lauder and based on that sound You have to dodge piles or sith destroying walls and crushing through the flor you are stepping, dodge and correct positioning would be required). Pathing in GW2 dungs is a great idea so they can expand this more.

    How do you know how far someone got before they consider GW2 boring?

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  • MMOExposedMMOExposed lalal land, DCPosts: 6,255Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by chaintm

    Actually due to this thread…
     

    https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Thoughts-on-Ascended-Gear-Merged-threads/first


    I am leaving the game as well.. don't take me wrong its a good game and all, but this changes everything for players like me. I wish everyone a good farewell and gl in the future, for some will like this. I however, do not and won’t participate. This was NOT suppose to happen in GW2 according to so many interviews and post from the devs. It feels like a slap to the face to be honest, the grind was never to be part of GW2 never, now it is if you want to "compete" and it seems this is just step one in many more releases according to one rep that said basicly collect threw out the year and into the future.

    Yeah, GWoW2 , no thnx.

    You can discuss and say the exodus won't happen, but i know for FACT i won't play this game ever again. Meh I got my 50 out of it and I know a few that feel the same. I could be wrong here, but I never seen so many say "yeah, I am done too" and talk about playing Magic The Gathering 2013 and more , I think Anet is going to bite a big bullet on this move. Just my thoughts on it anyways.

    I realize there is a thread about this topic so this is more about people actually leaving over it. I beleive many will as I will. I have yet to go back to starwars the old republic for promises broken there so I see no reason to go back to gw2. Your thoughts? Are you leaving? have you just thought "bah I don't care!".

    Just seems like another money grab, just like the "there will be no changes in this up-coming maintance" ,, people log into WvWvW and now siege equipement only last exactly 10min then the previous 30min. Seems GW2 to me at least is becoming a money hog.

     

    -chaintm

     

    Well looking at that forum post. It's 160 pages long.

    lots of people seem worried. But if you ok with grinding for cosmetic gear what's wrong with doing the same grind for stat improvement gear? 

    Not bashing you, just I don't understand that.

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  • xmentyxmenty SingaporePosts: 679Member

    @ OP,

    if you want to protest, just play their games but don't support their CS at all.

    Enjoy yourself then leave after you are done.

     

    Pardon my English as it is not my 1st language :)

  • boxsndboxsnd Kraxton, ARPosts: 438Member Uncommon
    The mass exodus started on september 3rd (8 days after launch) when it reached 93k hours on xfire. As of yesterday GW2 is at 13.7k hours played. Do the math.

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  • RoyalPhunkRoyalPhunk Vancouver, BCPosts: 174Member
    yes there will be an exodus. If I don't get a sandbox game soon I'm gonna stop altogether playing mmos. This whole cycle of  1month themeparks is burning me out. 
  • lotapartylotaparty taxila canttPosts: 514Member
    Originally posted by Tokken

    kinda, but they can come back when they want since it is not a sub game.

    the new grind disappoints me though. I was hoping we would not go in that direction.

    than it means i should not buy the game . this is exactly the reason i was waiting .not to put my wallet on the line till everything is clear . 

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  • saurus123saurus123 nonePosts: 568Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by boxsnd
    The mass exodus started on september 3rd (8 days after launch) when it reached 93k hours on xfire. As of yesterday GW2 is at 13.7k hours played. Do the math.

    i dont use xfire

    do you?

  • boxsndboxsnd Kraxton, ARPosts: 438Member Uncommon
    I didn't participate in the scientific poll (which only included 2000 people) that predicted the election spot on. Did you?

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  • eye_meye_m Notta Chance, ABPosts: 3,133Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by RoyalPhunk
    yes there will be an exodus. If I don't get a sandbox game soon I'm gonna stop altogether playing mmos. This whole cycle of  1month themeparks is burning me out. 

    Well the amount of money that seems to get put into sandboxes it likely directly proportional to the amount of players that want one.  Maybe you should try supporting sandboxes rather than themeparks.

    All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

    I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.

    I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.

  • eye_meye_m Notta Chance, ABPosts: 3,133Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by saurus123
    Originally posted by boxsnd
    The mass exodus started on september 3rd (8 days after launch) when it reached 93k hours on xfire. As of yesterday GW2 is at 13.7k hours played. Do the math.

    i dont use xfire

    do you?

    There is also been a significant decrease in the amount of GW2 talk overheard at Denny's restaurants.  The numbers don't lie.

    All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

    I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.

    I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.

  • saurus123saurus123 nonePosts: 568Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by eyelolled
    Originally posted by saurus123
    Originally posted by boxsnd
    The mass exodus started on september 3rd (8 days after launch) when it reached 93k hours on xfire. As of yesterday GW2 is at 13.7k hours played. Do the math.

    i dont use xfire

    do you?

    There is also been a significant decrease in the amount of GW2 talk overheard at Denny's restaurants.  The numbers don't lie.

    look at WoW xfire its going down even faster

  • KalstarkKalstark fishkill, NYPosts: 63Member
    everyone saying they will never ever come back please post your names and server info so we can add you to ignore when you come back, all of you need a life and need to stop hating

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  • KalstarkKalstark fishkill, NYPosts: 63Member
    Originally posted by RoyalPhunk
    yes there will be an exodus. If I don't get a sandbox game soon I'm gonna stop altogether playing mmos. This whole cycle of  1month themeparks is burning me out. 

    or you and everyone like you could just stop now, who plays a game they know there not ganna enjoy and then does absolutly nothing but go to a site and troll and complain? pathetic

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  • SkymourneSkymourne Ruston, LAPosts: 366Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MMOExposed
    Originally posted by chaintm

    Actually due to this thread…
     

    https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Thoughts-on-Ascended-Gear-Merged-threads/first


    I am leaving the game as well.. don't take me wrong its a good game and all, but this changes everything for players like me. I wish everyone a good farewell and gl in the future, for some will like this. I however, do not and won’t participate. This was NOT suppose to happen in GW2 according to so many interviews and post from the devs. It feels like a slap to the face to be honest, the grind was never to be part of GW2 never, now it is if you want to "compete" and it seems this is just step one in many more releases according to one rep that said basicly collect threw out the year and into the future.

    Yeah, GWoW2 , no thnx.

    You can discuss and say the exodus won't happen, but i know for FACT i won't play this game ever again. Meh I got my 50 out of it and I know a few that feel the same. I could be wrong here, but I never seen so many say "yeah, I am done too" and talk about playing Magic The Gathering 2013 and more , I think Anet is going to bite a big bullet on this move. Just my thoughts on it anyways.

    I realize there is a thread about this topic so this is more about people actually leaving over it. I beleive many will as I will. I have yet to go back to starwars the old republic for promises broken there so I see no reason to go back to gw2. Your thoughts? Are you leaving? have you just thought "bah I don't care!".

    Just seems like another money grab, just like the "there will be no changes in this up-coming maintance" ,, people log into WvWvW and now siege equipement only last exactly 10min then the previous 30min. Seems GW2 to me at least is becoming a money hog.

     

    -chaintm

     

    Well looking at that forum post. It's 160 pages long.

    lots of people seem worried. But if you ok with grinding for cosmetic gear what's wrong with doing the same grind for stat improvement gear? 

    Not bashing you, just I don't understand that.

    Exactly.  The answer is because they say that Anet told them it wouldn't happen that way.  It's not the grind.  Apparently it is because they were told one thing and something else is supposedly happening.  I don't agree with them, because technically speaking what is being introduced isn't what these outraged people are describing.  That thread is a prime example of what happens when someone yells "fire" in a theater.

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  • eye_meye_m Notta Chance, ABPosts: 3,133Member Uncommon

    Here is an screenshot of a DE I was in yesterday. Those blacked out names are people that were still playing in a mid level zone that are supposedly ghost towns anymore.  Was the mass exodus supposed to happen tomorrow? I missed the memo.

    All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

    I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.

    I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 5,587Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by eyelolled

    Here is an screenshot of a DE I was in yesterday. Those blacked out names are people that were still playing in a mid level zone that are supposedly ghost towns anymore.  Was the mass exodus supposed to happen tomorrow? I missed the memo.

    We can now say for certain, there were at least 24 people still playing GW2 at the time of this screen shot.

  • KhinRuniteKhinRunite ManilaPosts: 879Member
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by eyelolled

    Here is an screenshot of a DE I was in yesterday. Those blacked out names are people that were still playing in a mid level zone that are supposedly ghost towns anymore.  Was the mass exodus supposed to happen tomorrow? I missed the memo.

    We can now say for certain, there were at least 24 people still playing GW2 at the time of this screen shot.

    Hahaha

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