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I don't really understand why so many are harping on the "solid game" quote.
It has amazing story based content. It has interesting combat that was unfortunately plagued with responsiveness issues on release. It had better dungeons than GW2. It had fun albeit flawed PVP. It simply offered the most enjoyable leveling I've experienced in a themepark MMO. The problem was that leveling twice on the same faction wasn't nearly so fun.
To me it was a game I knew I'd come back to eventually. It just wasn't, and still isn't, worth a subscription relative to what's on the market. But I think the only games worthy of a sub are WOW, Rift and I assume EVE.
SWTOR will easily be the best F2P MMO on the market. They just need to fix their nickle and dime payment model and unrestrict essentials to leveling like the 3rd and 4th action bars. They should probably add an extra character slot or two to preferred accounts.
Just remove voice acting from free™ version and it will be perfect f2p SWTOR,no other restrictions.
Everything else in that product is a mess anyways.
Originally posted by BillMurphy Originally posted by FrodoFragins It's not written by Bill, it's written by Mike. I have no idea why they make it confusing by never letting the authors post their own articles.
It's a limitation of the content management system, Frodo. Usually Suzie enters articles, or me, or Mike. Whoever touches it last before it goes live the first time is who gets stamped on the forum post associated with the feature. In this case, I touched it last.
Thanks for the info. It's not a big deal and I've learned to look at who the author is, but this confusion pops up a lot.
Originally posted by SuperXero89 My view: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwtLh9AxlR8&feature=plcp Slightly less optimistic but fair :P
They should hire you! You actually know the game and genre and can look at it objectively. You even mentioned the hotbars being a PITA as well as mentioning that their model isn't going to magically fix the issues they had in getting subscribers.
Originally posted by FrodoFragins It has interesting combat that was unfortunately plagued with responsiveness issues on release.
Combat is interesting but problems are still there.
http://www.torhead.com/ability/3oj9LWe/spinning-strike it should be instant,but,theres some animation on it ,and your next attack will stop that animation and nothing happens and you get global cooldown and you must try spinning strike again,with better luck.
Theres no way in hell that anyone can enjoy that kind of lottery.
And in worst case scenario ,that opponent should be dead by now but instead of that its me who is going to die.
And that is not the only attack with problems theres plenty more,those issues are still there no matter what EA says.
SWTOR is a good game checking out. It gets bashed a lot, mostly by clueless nublets who think it's trendy or cool to bash it. Was it ever worth $15/mo - that's the problem, IMO it was not. Of course, I don't think WoW is worth $15/mo but tons of fools pay bliz monthly for next to nothing. It's WoW's fault that companies like BioWare think they can ship incomplete and unbalanced games and charge a sub just for the honor of playing (on top of full box price).
I'm pretty much sick of most F2P. F2P is another trendy thing that's way overrated. Most of F2P is BS, scams, restrictions, and not fun. GW2 does buy and F2P ok, but you still too often feel steered to the cash shop.
I would much rather pay a sub for ALL access and not deal with nickel, dime, and devs/designers looking for ways to restrict the game to make money off of microtransactions that just become a hassle. I want to play a full game, not most of a game with financial decisions throughout.
Why do I mention all of this?
Because IMO, the F2P model BioWare is unleashing for SWTOR is utter garbage. It's a convoluted mess of restrictions and complications. As someone who bought the box, paid for several months, and ultimately put over $100 into the game, there is no way I could now do F2P and have everything I previously earned stripped away. That would not be fun.
If you have never played the game before, the F2P is like an extended trial that will ultimately show you that the only way to really enjoy the game without hassles is to sub.
Then you're back to the SWTOR is nowhere near worth $15/mo.
I would much rather have seen BioWare make SWTOR worth $15/mo.
And btw, the ONLY MMORPG worth $15/mo is Rift - because Trion cranks out ungodly amounts of content and features for your sub dollar. All other subs are paying for the privelidge of logging on with a joke of an amount of content added over time for the money, and are not worth it. This is why we have so much F2P idiocy - greedy sub-based devs NOT delivering and making it worth it.
Premium MMORPGs do not feature built-in cheating via cash for gold pay 2 win. PLAY to win or don't play.
i agree that it's a solid game, there's just nothing to do once you do everything. The bane of all MMOs I suppose, but SWTOR only took me a 3 day weekend to burn through everything at launch. MMOs are too fast today...bring back the year long struggle to level.
The only thing I found myself doing for 3 months after launch was making weapons and selling them on my bounty hunter, I was kinda a Cartel on my server. People would hear from word of mouth and mail me what they wanted, and I'd get it for them...one way or another
Originally posted by Ozmodan What is your definition of a solid game? Being lead around by your nose ring everywhere? Might be a good game to fool around for a month or two. I personally like to spend more than that in a game. EA should just write this game off as a really bad investment and move on.
write it off because you don't like it? So the fact that all of us that still sub want to keep playing it doesn't matter, becaus YOU don't like it. We should just have the game we enjoy playing canned because, you don't like it...
Yeah, that makes since. Perhaps you should simply go find a game worthy of your superior opinion.
I wonder if EA Bioware might have made more money selling 8 different single player/co-op games?
A seperate game for each class. No sub fee.
I'm sure more than a few would have bought multiple versions to play each class through. I probably would've been suckered into it...
After watching this I will pass. I did a lot of work on crafting and not being able to use my purple gear is a big no no. Good Luck EA you will need it.
It's worth trying out for one single reason:
Play at EA's expenses and show them that they won't get any money if they treat free players like crap.
HK-51 will be just as crappy as every other companion. New tag name, new graphics, bout it.
If EA really wanted to impress gamers, they would stop what they are doing and add real stuff that fans wanted, like swoop racing, Pazaak/Sabaac, casinos, decent graphics engine, etc.
Adding more of the same isn't going to work. EA wanted to "more than compete with WoW", and they just keep missing the mark.
Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcpRecognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.
Lol. The game is free for you and yet you are still going out of your way to hate on it.
You aren't paying for anything. Nothing. Are you missing lots of features? Of course. But you can still play the base game for free.
Originally posted by Psychow Is this a first for UI limitations on a F2P MMO?
Originally posted by Psychow Is this a first for UI limitations on a F2P MMO?
Originally posted by kevjards Originally posted by Psychow Is this a first for UI limitations on a F2P MMO?
Originally posted by kevjards
i think so..that is really poor start for a ftp game..does'nt fill you with confidence
Originally posted by Zaltark I will never play a game that forces you to PAY to unlock UI elements. THEY DIDNT EVEN HAVE them when the game launched. Now theyre charging for it. What next? Charge to open the map? Charge money each time you recall? EA/Bioware is full of stupid.
Originally posted by Zaltark
Everyone remember the "missing" top graphics mode once it went live? I remember it being called "a bug".
Originally posted by Swanea Lol. The game is free for you and yet you are still going out of your way to hate on it. You aren't paying for anything. Nothing. Are you missing lots of features? Of course. But you can still play the base game for free. good lord.
Nobody forces you guys to try this game. You should be glad that BioWare is giving away for free the best part of the Game - the story.
Reading these forums sometimes makes me really sick. There is so much hate here that no wonder there is such a misery on the Earth. If mere game can bring so much hate... Good Lord!
Quoting Obi-wan Kenobi - You all should go home and rethink your life.. and I wish I could use here the Jedi mind trick...
Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7AoImperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.beImperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E
This is the entire reason I wont touch it. Limiting the UI ? Really? I'm okay with some limitations but this is just ridiculous. The slower leveling limitation irks me as well.
But this is just an obvious tactic to get people playing, hoping they'll like it, and subscribe. I barely even consider this a F2P conversion.
I played it for 2 months at release, I believe it actually is a solid game but its just not worth a sub, its about 8 years too late for sub pricing. F2P makes this a much more solid game, and if your actually into getting a little more engaged than your normal run of the mill mmo then swtor may be a good fit for you.
Not to bad for all the critizism I have given this game in the past, F2P can change my perspective. My combat medic and my Jedi Consular I had suprising become rather fond of. Good ole WoW pulled me back off, as well as Rift, but F2P may pull me off of GW2 now for a bit.
Smart move SWTOR
He's right, it's a solid game, just like WoW is a solid game.
You may be burned out on the WoW model, but that doesn't mean it isn't a solid game.
Originally posted by Sevenstar61 Originally posted by Swanea Lol. The game is free for you and yet you are still going out of your way to hate on it. You aren't paying for anything. Nothing. Are you missing lots of features? Of course. But you can still play the base game for free. good lord.
Why don't you try leveling a character using only 2 action bars. See how long you last before giving up.
Originally posted by Corehaven Originally posted by kevjards Originally posted by Psychow Is this a first for UI limitations on a F2P MMO?
It's not a F2P conversion, it's a Freemium conversion.
It's aimed at nickle and diming cusomters so they will no-longer play. and EA can get out of the LA contract.
If EA can get out of the contract, then can stop losing money. Because this game loses money. 500k subscribers gets the money back, per THEIR statements. Less than that and they need to tank the game.
The F2P (Freemium) game was made unappealing. Oops. That's how it goes.