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Hmmm...I really don't recall them saying that this game will not have item progression. What they did say was this game will not have forced grinding. They also said they always listen to the fans.
This is just my recollection of things.
Thats a GW1 title. You cant get it from playing GW2.
Well my recollection is different than yours. However, it will take you only a minute to find the quotes before release about their vision about end game design ( a lot of those are going around lately on official forums). Would be better to hear it just out of horse mouth. Everything they doing now contradicts their old plan
From my own recollection, exotics were suppossed to be the cap as far as stats go and plan was to introduce only cosmetics. That is the reason why legendary had same stats as exotics and only looked different. They could have easily made legendaries with better stats but that would have gone against their original vision.
So introducing new armor with increase in stats is new plan and new direction as far as gear progression goes. They could have easily made ascended armor similar to exotics and added the new agony slots to it. But they didn't and they will keep increasing over all stats by introducing more gear peices in next three months.
"Here's what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can't realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don't make grindy games -- we leave the grind to other MMOs."
-Mike Obrien, President of Arenanet
Fun impacts loot collection. The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”
– Colin Johanson
It was quoted multiple times and also mentioned in the manifesto. I really have no idea how you missed it or if you are being deliberately coy.
They are backtracking on this design principle. There really is no other way to look at it. I personally dont think it is a horrible decision by them, as it adds something for long time PvE players to work for. But you cant pretend that it isnt the complete opposite design of what they promised in the manifesto.
you really cant blame the developers . people who ride early the hype bandwagon should be prepared for it .
They have left a lot of threadsopen for discussion, what they dont want is people who think their opinion is so much better than everyone elses opening multiple threads on the same topic and diluting the forums. Thats why they got deleted and why he was moderated, not the topic itself.
That's one way to interpreting it, but the truth to me is, they delete anything remotely associated with it and claim that one long threat where everything is cluster**** together is "enough", which is blantly a lie.
Of course there is the occasional troll thread and "my opinion is more important" threat, but putting everything into one long thread is a form of trying to silence the topic.
They hope most people won't put up with the additional effort due to the hindrance in usability in order to suffocate the topic, which is of course is a proven concept.
In short, they don't want this topic to be discussed and try the more subtile approach of hindrance rather than completly shut down everything (which wouldn't work), claiming to tolerate discussion.
I'm sorry if such concepts are not known to you.
But then that thing about "the whole game beeing endgame" is no longer true, right?
"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."
It is "fun" to see how other people grind to get "better" gear but you still faceroll them in PvP.
You do realise they yust removed your opinions because apparently the post you quoted and commented on wasnt allowed there. If they allowed your comments to stay, everyone would be able to see what they said anyway (which cant be a good things since apparently it was something that was considered a threat since they deleted both the main as well as all quotations/comments on it.
https://ashesofcreation.com/r/Y4U3PQCASUPJ5SED
Kinda a redundant statement but..
you get what you pay for lol!
Deep down GW2 has no incentive to keep player base one way or another. They are looking to attract new players. Once they get that box sale who cares about you.
Just my theory on why they are adding this type of content.
lol. On guildwars2 forums I was once infracted and thread deleted for asking in a polite way if there are any other quest types than kill stuff and collect/deliver stuff .
they are waayy over the top, much more than the SWTOR forum EVER was. Right now the TOR forums don´t even seem to be moderated, some people obviously make fun of the game for a living.
and yes I believe this is all about box sales, not player retention. Once you paid, who cares anymore if you stay
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There were also statements about how they wanted a piece of the WoW pie, and while they strove to acquire that with something different, well, it didn't work. It sounds like they are still trying for some level of that success. They are hardly the first game to go back on design principles because, well, it turned out they did not work.
So, we should not be surprised when they do what they feel they need to do to be successful. As it turns out "endgame at level 1" was not so popular as they had hoped it would be. At least, that is how it seems to me.