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Microsoft stops supporting DirectX in WIndows 7, no more updates.

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,770Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Reizla

    An other thing a lot of ppl seem to forget. Why bother about DX11.1 when most developers still use DX9 for their games? DX9 is the standard because it's easy to port to both the xbox360 and PS3.

    DirectX is proprietary to Microsoft.  The Xbox 360 basically uses DirectX 9.0c, but the PlayStation 3 uses its own custom API, not DIrectX or even OpenGL.

  • AodhanAodhan bundabergPosts: 47Member Common

    LOL @ 39 bucks Australian,cheapest os ever,works great.

    Emm Tightarse's comes to mind :).

     

     

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,187Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by Torvaldr

    When you look at it in the perspective that most mmos, if not most pc games, are DX9 or DX10 compatible then the fud makes no sense at all.  Did anyone upgrade to Win7 for DX10.1?

    DirectX 10.1 was released long before Windows 7.  AMD cards all the way back to the Radeon HD 3000 series support it.

    You may have meant DirectX 11 rather than 10.1, as 11 is what launched with Windows 7.  Unlike 10.1 or 11.1, DirectX 11 brought some major new features and was a big deal.  So you know what Microsoft did about it?  They ported it back to Vista.  They didn't port it back to Windows XP, but one could argue that there aren't many people running a gaming computer with both Windows XP and a DirectX 11 video card.

    And you know why Microsoft ported it back to Vista rather than saying everyone has to get Windows 7 now?  Because they knew that some of the new features in DirectX 11 were going to be a big deal.  OpenGL 4.0 roughly caught up in feature set shortly thereafter--and works not merely on Windows 7, but also Vista and XP (and Linux, though not Mac OS X).  If DirectX 11 had been Windows 7 only, then OpenGL would have been the natural choice for game developers who wanted to make a game with modern graphics.  And Microsoft can't have that, as DirectX is what ties games to Windows.  If all games used OpenGL rather than DirectX, gaming computers wouldn't necessarily need Windows.

    Yes, thanks for the correction.  I don't think I'm wrong in guessing that most games are still DX9/10 compatible though.  Do you agree?  I just don't see this forcing anyone's hand.

  • DraronDraron A town in, KYPosts: 993Member
    Originally posted by Reizla

    As said before... Mickey$oft wants us to use Win8 over Win7, that's pretty obvious. Win8 seems to have so called 'improvements' and is compatible with WInPhone8. But when I look at my gameslist, every single game older than 5 years is not supported by WIn8. So Fat chance I'll hop to Win8 over Win7 (I do have a Win8 copy to upgrade a Vista machine though).

    An other thing a lot of ppl seem to forget. Why bother about DX11.1 when most developers still use DX9 for their games? DX9 is the standard because it's easy to port to both the xbox360 and PS3.

    Played tons of old games on W8 ever since I upgraded. Morrowind, KOTOR 1 and 2...what games you talking about?

  • ToxiaToxia Lake Charles, LAPosts: 1,319Member Uncommon
    ahahaha get fucked MS that's why i have never paid a dime for windows shitty customer service and business practices

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  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,187Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Draron
    Originally posted by Reizla

    As said before... Mickey$oft wants us to use Win8 over Win7, that's pretty obvious. Win8 seems to have so called 'improvements' and is compatible with WInPhone8. But when I look at my gameslist, every single game older than 5 years is not supported by WIn8. So Fat chance I'll hop to Win8 over Win7 (I do have a Win8 copy to upgrade a Vista machine though).

    An other thing a lot of ppl seem to forget. Why bother about DX11.1 when most developers still use DX9 for their games? DX9 is the standard because it's easy to port to both the xbox360 and PS3.

    Played tons of old games on W8 ever since I upgraded. Morrowind, KOTOR 1 and 2...what games you talking about?

    All my DOSBox ports from GoG.com work too.  And the parent poster should totally upgrade the Vista machine if they have an extra license lying around.

    Really the OS is a lot more like the previous version (Win7) than any other version of Windows since Win 3.11.

  • CastillleCastillle KhobarPosts: 2,703Member Uncommon

    I just finished installing windows 8 and Im pretty surprised.   The start menu, while terrible, is still feeling more of the same.  prolly cuz I only use the taskbar and have all my stuff rocket-docked....I also treat the start menu as its own full screen program instead of like....windows o.O 

     

    All in all Im pretty satisfied with it.  Right now Im just putting up all my favorite websites n feeds to the start menu! (^_^)/

    Oh and Im in love with my Razer Deathstalker.  It arrived this morning @_@

     

    Oh and as for the DirectX....Has it not always been like that?  XP had 9, Vista had 10, 7 had 11, and now 8 has 11.1

    And as quiz said, 11.1 is barely anything to write home about.  Heck Im still sticking to 11 for my stuff cuz I dont use stereo 3D, which is the only noteworthy thing I remember seeing in 11.1.

     

    On another note, IE from the start menu seems to be very....Mobile-ey.  It looks and acts like tablet/phone browsers.  ITS NOT LETTING ME CLICK THE COLOR CHANGER! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~

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  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 17,949Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    WIn 8 will never be as good as WIN 7. Sooner or later they will realise this.

    Win 8 is great, as  long as you have a touch screen.

    Sadly, we PC users rarely have that so for us is that true. Screw you microsoft!

    You did the same with Windows 2000 so I had to change for the less stable XP but there you at least waited longer.

  • RodentofdoomRodentofdoom NottinghamPosts: 273Member
    Originally posted by Draron
    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    Originally posted by VassagoMael
    It's $40. Get over it.

    That's not the point Vassago, many people will not upgrade even if it was $1 because of the nature of the OS.

    Nature of the OS? The only difference from Windows 7 to 8 (if you use it only for the Desktop) is the start screen is just a full-screened menu. Your getting better frames, battery life, better security, faster boot times, etc for upgrading. It easily outweighs the con of a full screen start menu that can be modded back to the Windows 7 menu.

     

    Battery Life ???

    I use a PC, I don't give a f*^k about some scrubs crappy laptop/tablet shitty battery up-time timer/charge rate.

     

     

    Besides I was under the impression that the smartphone was the platform of the future, because the PC/Console platforms for gaming were supposed to be dead.

  • lotapartylotaparty taxila canttPosts: 514Member
    windows 8 is junk . i see windows 9 coming in 2014 . 

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  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,288Member Uncommon
    i did get win8 pro, installed it over xp, which, not entirely sure its much of an upgrade, but as i couldnt really afford to get 7 at the time, seemed like a relatively 'cheap' upgrade, the start screen, if you can call it that is just a gimmick, you can unpin/uninstall much of it, without it really affecting anything, the only important bit there is the desktop icon, which is really the only bit i use, it does seem to start up a bit faster than my old xp setup, but i can't say its really that much of an improvement in terms of boot up times, maybe its because my system is 'getting on a bit' though im sure if i had a SSD that it would be lightning fast, but you can say that pretty much about any OS that uses one.. i've been using this now for several weeks, games do seem to work on it okay now, though it has had quite a few teething troubles, one thing i will say for sure though, as soon as i can afford a copy of win 7 64 bit.. im upgrading again image
  • IchmenIchmen Winnipeg, MBPosts: 1,228Member

    well all this is telling me is to wait for Win9 there by i get 3 things in 1

    1) i dont have to fork out more money for another shitty OS

    2) i get Dx 1-12 

    3) the next OS i get will be more stable then win8 :3 

    win all around for me. just need about 2yrs or so to wait lolol

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  • rawfoxrawfox HamburgPosts: 647Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by VassagoMael
    It's $40. Get over it.

    No dude, its not about the bucks, its about Satan.

     

    Im not sure if Linux is the answer and im a penguin myself since kernel 0.98. yeah, thats some years already.

    As an example, to play windows games on Linux, we still have to manually patch the wine sources.

    Solutions like Crossover are for office stuff and only scale on 2 cores here, my own wine scales over all 8 cores here.

    Then there is still a loss in quality - the reason, why i have a windows at all, games for windows are - due to DirectX - awesome.

    Windows is twice the age of Linux, so we have some gap to fill and when i see the overall development arround Linux, we have to say that its pretty cute because its nearly all free software.

     

    In the long run, Linux will win.

    You better start your Linux today, it needs some time to handle a penguin properly.

    Cool game, btw ^^

  • bishbosh2bishbosh2 SydneyPosts: 66Member
    maybe its time for openGL
  • OG_ZorvanOG_Zorvan Fresno, CAPosts: 615Member
    Originally posted by CalmOceans

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-11-12-directx-11-1-exclusive-to-windows-8-microsoft-confirms

    DirectX 11.1 is exclusive to the divisive Windows 8 operating system, Microsoft has confirmed.

    “there is no plan for DirectX 11.1 to be made available on Windows 7”.

     

    Are they nuts?

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    If you wanted DX10 or DX10.1 when they came out, you had to buy Vista. If you wanted DX11, you had to buy Windows 7.

    Want DX11.1, you have to buy Windows 8.

    I paid $15 for the upgrade, Windows 8 Ultimate for the price of one month's mmo time. Hardly anything to scream about.

    Also, do you suddenly think all games will only run DX11.1?

    No more than all games only ran DX10, DX10.1, or DX11 when they were released. They can run on all of them, so you're not being "cheated" out of playing any new games.

    Unless you bought Halo 2 on PC, then you had to have DX10 to play meaning no XP.

    One game.

    Out of thousands.

    8 years ago.

    So no, MS isn't nuts.

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  • bobfishbobfish SouthamptonPosts: 1,688Member

    Probably won't affect MMOs, but for other games this is the scenario that might occur...

     

    Microsoft could build their next console based on Windows 8 and DirectX 11.1, which would mean that multi-platform titles from developers could be set to minimum spec of DirectX 11.1.

     

    This isn't likely to be an issue in the short term, but given that a console's life cycle is extending with each generation, the upgrade to Windows 8 or whatever comes after it is inevitable if you want to continue playing the majority of games released. And we do not know what will come after Windows 8, Microsoft might learn from their mistakes, but they could just as easily make Windows even worse.

     

    We already know developers spend less resources on PC versions of multi-platform games, how much will they expend on supporting older versions of DirectX or entirely different operating systems?

     

     

     

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,770Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by Torvaldr

    When you look at it in the perspective that most mmos, if not most pc games, are DX9 or DX10 compatible then the fud makes no sense at all.  Did anyone upgrade to Win7 for DX10.1?

    DirectX 10.1 was released long before Windows 7.  AMD cards all the way back to the Radeon HD 3000 series support it.

    You may have meant DirectX 11 rather than 10.1, as 11 is what launched with Windows 7.  Unlike 10.1 or 11.1, DirectX 11 brought some major new features and was a big deal.  So you know what Microsoft did about it?  They ported it back to Vista.  They didn't port it back to Windows XP, but one could argue that there aren't many people running a gaming computer with both Windows XP and a DirectX 11 video card.

    And you know why Microsoft ported it back to Vista rather than saying everyone has to get Windows 7 now?  Because they knew that some of the new features in DirectX 11 were going to be a big deal.  OpenGL 4.0 roughly caught up in feature set shortly thereafter--and works not merely on Windows 7, but also Vista and XP (and Linux, though not Mac OS X).  If DirectX 11 had been Windows 7 only, then OpenGL would have been the natural choice for game developers who wanted to make a game with modern graphics.  And Microsoft can't have that, as DirectX is what ties games to Windows.  If all games used OpenGL rather than DirectX, gaming computers wouldn't necessarily need Windows.

    Yes, thanks for the correction.  I don't think I'm wrong in guessing that most games are still DX9/10 compatible though.  Do you agree?  I just don't see this forcing anyone's hand.

    Yes, precisely because a lot of gamers still can't run DirectX 11.  And that's even though porting things back from DX 10/11 to 9.0c means losing access to broad swaths of features as opposed to just minor tinkering around the edges.  We might be soon approaching the time when games start saying, we're not going to port back to DirectX 9.0c anymore, and now you need at least DX 10 to run the game.

  • ReizlaReizla AlkmaarPosts: 3,299Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Draron
    Originally posted by Reizla

    As said before... Mickey$oft wants us to use Win8 over Win7, that's pretty obvious. Win8 seems to have so called 'improvements' and is compatible with WInPhone8. But when I look at my gameslist, every single game older than 5 years is not supported by WIn8. So Fat chance I'll hop to Win8 over Win7 (I do have a Win8 copy to upgrade a Vista machine though).

    An other thing a lot of ppl seem to forget. Why bother about DX11.1 when most developers still use DX9 for their games? DX9 is the standard because it's easy to port to both the xbox360 and PS3.

    Played tons of old games on W8 ever since I upgraded. Morrowind, KOTOR 1 and 2...what games you talking about?

    Bioshock 2 and Fallout 3 for sure (updater told me so). Also thought Fable - The Lost Chapters wasn't supported (odd since it's a MS game). Then there are numerous tools not supported that I use: FRAPS, NERO 10, PCTools Regestry thingy to name a few. Not gonna buy updates for those programs to keep using them...

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  • NitthNitth AustraliaPosts: 3,684Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-11-12-directx-11-1-exclusive-to-windows-8-microsoft-confirmsDirectX 11.1 is exclusive to the divisive Windows 8 operating system, Microsoft has confirmed.“there is no plan for DirectX 11.1 to be made available on Windows 7”. Are they nuts?

    This isnt the first time something like this has happened...

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  • NitthNitth AustraliaPosts: 3,684Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Reizla
    Originally posted by Draron Originally posted by Reizla As said before... Mickey$oft wants us to use Win8 over Win7, that's pretty obvious. Win8 seems to have so called 'improvements' and is compatible with WInPhone8. But when I look at my gameslist, every single game older than 5 years is not supported by WIn8. So Fat chance I'll hop to Win8 over Win7 (I do have a Win8 copy to upgrade a Vista machine though). An other thing a lot of ppl seem to forget. Why bother about DX11.1 when most developers still use DX9 for their games? DX9 is the standard because it's easy to port to both the xbox360 and PS3.
    Played tons of old games on W8 ever since I upgraded. Morrowind, KOTOR 1 and 2...what games you talking about?
    Bioshock 2 and Fallout 3 for sure (updater told me so). Also thought Fable - The Lost Chapters wasn't supported (odd since it's a MS game). Then there are numerous tools not supported that I use: FRAPS, NERO 10, PCTools Regestry thingy to name a few. Not gonna buy updates for those programs to keep using them...

    I have all of them working on windows 8 barr Fable 3.

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  • CaldrinCaldrin CwmbranPosts: 4,533Member Uncommon

    microsoft usually always do this.. why would anyone be suprised.

     

    Games are probally not gonna support it for a few years anyway by that time more and more people would have picked up windows 8.

     

     

  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKPosts: 8,499Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by lotaparty
    windows 8 is junk . i see windows 9 coming in 2014 . 

    The roadmap from MS shows win 9 release in 2014 - it might get pushed early as win 8 isn't exactly selling great.

  • wrightstufwrightstuf Carlsbad, CAPosts: 655Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by VassagoMael
    It's $40. Get over it.

    I'm suprised you didn't also include..."go back to WoW"

  • SmikisSmikis VilniusPosts: 1,045Member
    Originally posted by denshing

    This is TOTAL BS. They want to support win8 that failed so badly, that they will completely abandon the very good win7... Look, win8 is NOT A TABLET. Not only that, it is a very inconvenient interface that is not streamlined for multi-tasking at all, with plenty of obsticals to getting to things you want to get done.

    Now what happens when video games come out that don't support the latest Win7 DirectX?? Even if you have a beast of a machine that is a million times better than Windows 8, you won't be able to play them!

    This is horrible. I hate Microsoft now. I'm switching to linux.

    there were how many dx 10 games before nvidia gpus became dx10?  very few, how many games there were using dx10.1 which only ati gpus had   , we had maybe 5 games

    how many of early dx10, dx 10.1 or dx11 ddint support dx9 , or for dx11 dx 10, , answer is zero.. noone will start producing games for dx 11.1

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