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  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 10,259Member Epic
    Originally posted by jpnz
    Not sure why some posters can't understand that some people get upset if they are lied to. This isn't rocket science.

    I'm not sure why some posters can't understand that gamers get upset when the temperature changes, the sun comes, the sun goes down, it gets cold, it gets hot.

    This isn't rocket science.

    Centuries ago, in primitive times, before the dawn of civilization, there were things that would be inconceivable to us today; such things as poverty, disease, violence, senility, and love.
  • SonicTHISonicTHI -Posts: 149Member


    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer Originally posted by SonicTHI   Originally posted by saurus123 Originally posted by SonicTHI Deceived, betrayed, sad, angry... Probably my last non f2p MMO and my last MMO that i played "seriously". Fucking WoW threadmills.
    yes becouse you must have ring with 5 power more     does this make you stronger in pve? no its like 2 more dmg in actual combat does this make you stronger in WvW? no becouse tactic wins in WvW   food gives you  +200 of stat, gives you 10% more critical dmg so why i see only about 5% of players using it? becouse it doesnt matter, yes you are a bit stronger but anyone can kill you even without it    
      I dont give 2 shits about the stats. Its about the principle. Its about lying to the core playerbase and trying to cater to a wider yet unstable and dumb audience. Gaming nowadays in a nutshell. ANET was one of the last studios that held true to their vision till they sold out.
    No, ANET sold out quite some time ago. Who do you think is calling these shots right now? http://www.arena.net/press/ncsoft_acquires_arenanet
    I wonder why no one mentiones this when good decisions are made. As if all the bad decision comes only from Ncsoft.

    I know the relation and history of NC and ANET thank you very much. But it doesnt matter who s calling the shots. While it probably is NC (or nexon AFAIK now) it really doesnt matter. What matter is that those decisions were made and thus a lot of the core playerbase is now alienated and another game is becoming more like WoW. We all know how that ends.

  • TillerTiller OregonPosts: 5,480Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by muffins89
    Originally posted by Jyiiga
    Originally posted by Mavek
    Anyone who frequents this site should have known this would hap[pen eventually.  Its what the population wants.  This feature will be what separates GW2 from becoming a niche game in the future to becoming something with a much bigger consistent userbase.   You might be unhappy but you represent a small population of the GW2 playerbase and Arenanet knows that.  This is why they are adding a carrot.

     

    I'mma call BS on that one. If this were the case that thread on the official forums would't have seen this kinda momentum in a single day.

     

     

    There is more GW1 population in this game thatn WOW population and the GW1 players came from a game with horizonal gear progression. 

    wether youre right or wrong.  it certainly seems Anet thinks there is more WoW population that gw1 population.

    idk, everyone in my guild all came from gw1 (they all played together) and none are really upset over it, or are gonna wait and see how it all plays out. Maybe only rational folks tend to look on the lighter side of this?

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  • WhitebeardsWhitebeards TokyoPosts: 778Member
    Originally posted by muffins89
    Originally posted by Jyiiga
    Originally posted by Mavek
    Anyone who frequents this site should have known this would hap[pen eventually.  Its what the population wants.  This feature will be what separates GW2 from becoming a niche game in the future to becoming something with a much bigger consistent userbase.   You might be unhappy but you represent a small population of the GW2 playerbase and Arenanet knows that.  This is why they are adding a carrot.

     

    I'mma call BS on that one. If this were the case that thread on the official forums would't have seen this kinda momentum in a single day.

     

     

    There is more GW1 population in this game thatn WOW population and the GW1 players came from a game with horizonal gear progression. 

    wether youre right or wrong.  it certainly seems Anet thinks there is more WoW population that gw1 population.

    I believe that there is this 'silent majority' which people ignore who give their feedback directly to the game devs. These people don't visit forums but yet they have their say.

    Anet has the real data and i am sure it has nothing to do with WOW players but on what side majority of feedback lies. I am pretty sure they got overwhelming feedback for adding gear progression and they even mentioned it in their article that they are doing it on basis of what players want.

    I was one of those people who gave my feedback directly to Anet and supported gear progression.

  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 3,374Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins
    This change doesn't sound near close enough to getting me back to grinding dungeons in the game.  Hopefully this change brings people back, but it's not near enough to get me to return.  They need D3 level fixes for me to return for gear. 

    It is just a beginning. Better to start small no? i am back playing though as i am excited to see what progression they will add in future. 

    It definitely makes sense to start small and I have no problem with it.  But if even this small step causes them to lose more players than return, it will be rough for ANet for a while.

  • snapfusionsnapfusion San, CAPosts: 954Member
    Originally posted by Jetrpg
    Nope the game is very different, too much so. Mand mmo without item progression or support classes is a weak game.

    I cant find anything different other then a more simplistic way to play an MMO, Im being honest.  Its really just an incredibly dumbed down version of MMO's which i didnt think was possible in this day and age.

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 7,618Member Epic
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by SonicTHI
      Originally posted by saurus123
    Originally posted by SonicTHI Deceived, betrayed, sad, angry... Probably my last non f2p MMO and my last MMO that i played "seriously". Fucking WoW threadmills.
    yes becouse you must have ring with 5 power more

     

     

    does this make you stronger in pve? no its like 2 more dmg in actual combat

    does this make you stronger in WvW? no becouse tactic wins in WvW

     

    food gives you  +200 of stat, gives you 10% more critical dmg so why i see only about 5% of players using it? becouse it doesnt matter, yes you are a bit stronger but anyone can kill you even without it

     

     


     

    I dont give 2 shits about the stats. Its about the principle. Its about lying to the core playerbase and trying to cater to a wider yet unstable and dumb audience. Gaming nowadays in a nutshell. ANET was one of the last studios that held true to their vision till they sold out.

    No, ANET sold out quite some time ago. Who do you think is calling these shots right now?

    http://www.arena.net/press/ncsoft_acquires_arenanet

    I wonder why no one mentiones this when good decisions are made. As if all the bad decision comes only from Ncsoft.

    I'm just saying. I think ANET was given their autonomy for GW2 but with the stipulation that it turned a certain profit. Now that GW2 may not be bringing in as much bacon as NCSoft had hoped for, they are exerting their authority. Obviously, it's just speculation on my part, But I wouldn't be surprised.

  • mmoguy43mmoguy43 In cyberspaaaaaacePosts: 2,702Member Uncommon
    The developer's vision for a game can be changed and patched just like everything else. That's why I never take what a dev says as complete, unchangeble truth but rather their current path.
  • WhitebeardsWhitebeards TokyoPosts: 778Member
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by SonicTHI
      Originally posted by saurus123
    Originally posted by SonicTHI Deceived, betrayed, sad, angry... Probably my last non f2p MMO and my last MMO that i played "seriously". Fucking WoW threadmills.
    yes becouse you must have ring with 5 power more

     

     

    does this make you stronger in pve? no its like 2 more dmg in actual combat

    does this make you stronger in WvW? no becouse tactic wins in WvW

     

    food gives you  +200 of stat, gives you 10% more critical dmg so why i see only about 5% of players using it? becouse it doesnt matter, yes you are a bit stronger but anyone can kill you even without it

     

     


     

    I dont give 2 shits about the stats. Its about the principle. Its about lying to the core playerbase and trying to cater to a wider yet unstable and dumb audience. Gaming nowadays in a nutshell. ANET was one of the last studios that held true to their vision till they sold out.

    No, ANET sold out quite some time ago. Who do you think is calling these shots right now?

    http://www.arena.net/press/ncsoft_acquires_arenanet

    I wonder why no one mentiones this when good decisions are made. As if all the bad decision comes only from Ncsoft.

    I'm just saying. I think ANET was given their autonomy for GW2 but with the stipulation that it turned a certain profit. Now that GW2 may not be bringing in as much bacon as NCSoft had hoped for, they are exerting their authority. Obviously, it's just speculation on my part, But I wouldn't be surprised.

    I understand what you are saying but i think it is unfair to automaticaly assume that if it is  a bad decision it is NCSOFT and when it is good decisions it is 'Anet'. For all we know every decision comes from Ncsoft since they own Anet.

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 7,618Member Epic
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by SonicTHI
      Originally posted by saurus123
    Originally posted by SonicTHI Deceived, betrayed, sad, angry... Probably my last non f2p MMO and my last MMO that i played "seriously". Fucking WoW threadmills.
    yes becouse you must have ring with 5 power more

     

     

    does this make you stronger in pve? no its like 2 more dmg in actual combat

    does this make you stronger in WvW? no becouse tactic wins in WvW

     

    food gives you  +200 of stat, gives you 10% more critical dmg so why i see only about 5% of players using it? becouse it doesnt matter, yes you are a bit stronger but anyone can kill you even without it

     

     


     

    I dont give 2 shits about the stats. Its about the principle. Its about lying to the core playerbase and trying to cater to a wider yet unstable and dumb audience. Gaming nowadays in a nutshell. ANET was one of the last studios that held true to their vision till they sold out.

    No, ANET sold out quite some time ago. Who do you think is calling these shots right now?

    http://www.arena.net/press/ncsoft_acquires_arenanet

    I wonder why no one mentiones this when good decisions are made. As if all the bad decision comes only from Ncsoft.

    I'm just saying. I think ANET was given their autonomy for GW2 but with the stipulation that it turned a certain profit. Now that GW2 may not be bringing in as much bacon as NCSoft had hoped for, they are exerting their authority. Obviously, it's just speculation on my part, But I wouldn't be surprised.

    I understand what you are saying but i think it is unfair to automaticaly assume that if it is  a bad decision it is NCSOFT and when it is good decisions it is 'Anet'. For all we know every decision comes from Ncsoft since they own Anet.

    Honestly, I really don't think there is that much separation between them. I don't think there ever really was. Sure ANET had free reign over the design of thier game, but I can't believe it was without continual approval from higher up. I really don't see good decision/ANET bade decsion/NCSoft. Since they are more one in the same, really.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 10,259Member Epic
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer

    No, ANET sold out quite some time ago. Who do you think is calling these shots right now? http://www.arena.net/press/ncsoft_acquires_arenanet

    I wonder why no one mentiones this when good decisions are made. As if all the bad decision comes only from Ncsoft.

    I'm just saying. I think ANET was given their autonomy for GW2 but with the stipulation that it turned a certain profit. Now that GW2 may not be bringing in as much bacon as NCSoft had hoped for, they are exerting their authority. Obviously, it's just speculation on my part, But I wouldn't be surprised.

    Well obviously because it's so far out that there.  At least you have a vivid imagination.

    And just how in the hell does someone sell out that hasn't produced something?  They were purchased in 2002 and had not yet released a title.  When a band or artist sell out don't they have to sell out from something?

    Here's an example:

    Metallica - Master of Puppets

    Metallica - anything after the black album (and even that was questionable)

    Are you seeing the sell out line?

    ANet in 2002 - ....

    ANet in 2005 - Guild Wars

    ANet in 2012 - Guild Wars 2

    And the sellout line is?  If you say between the two games I'm going to smack the hell out of you. image

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  • NBlitzNBlitz ZwollePosts: 1,904Member
    Originally posted by mmoguy43
    The developer's vision for a game can be changed and patched just like everything else. That's why I never take what a dev says as complete, unchangeble truth but rather their current path.

    That's nice and all and I agree but I do have a sliiight problem when ridiculous strongly worded "manifesto" videos are made public.

    'I swung a swordI swung a sword again. Hey! I swung it again.'

    /slap

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 10,259Member Epic
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer

    I'm just saying. I think ANET was given their autonomy for GW2 but with the stipulation that it turned a certain profit. Now that GW2 may not be bringing in as much bacon as NCSoft had hoped for, they are exerting their authority. Obviously, it's just speculation on my part, But I wouldn't be surprised.

    I understand what you are saying but i think it is unfair to automaticaly assume that if it is  a bad decision it is NCSOFT and when it is good decisions it is 'Anet'. For all we know every decision comes from Ncsoft since they own Anet.

    Honestly, I really don't think there is that much separation between them. I don't think there ever really was. Sure ANET had free reign over the design of thier game, but I can't believe it was without continual approval from higher up. I really don't see good decision/ANET bade decsion/NCSoft. Since they are more one in the same, really.

    I totally agree with this.  I think if anyone has been a long term NCSoft customer they know that NC calls the shots, and I don't mean NCWest either.  I mean NCK.

    Personal opinion here (I have a vivid imagination too dammit), the cash shop is the way it is because of NCs influence.

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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 7,618Member Epic
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer

    No, ANET sold out quite some time ago. Who do you think is calling these shots right now? http://www.arena.net/press/ncsoft_acquires_arenanet

    I wonder why no one mentiones this when good decisions are made. As if all the bad decision comes only from Ncsoft.

    I'm just saying. I think ANET was given their autonomy for GW2 but with the stipulation that it turned a certain profit. Now that GW2 may not be bringing in as much bacon as NCSoft had hoped for, they are exerting their authority. Obviously, it's just speculation on my part, But I wouldn't be surprised.

    Well obviously because it's so far out that there.  At least you have a vivid imagination.

    And just how in the hell does someone sell out that hasn't produced something?  They were purchased in 2002 and had not yet released a title.  When a band or artist sell out don't they have to sell out from something?

    Here's an example:

    Metallica - Master of Puppets

    Metallica - anything after the black album (and even that was questionable)

    Are you seeing the sell out line?

    ANet in 2002 - ....

    ANet in 2005 - Guild Wars

    ANet in 2012 - Guild Wars 2

    And the sellout line is?  If you say between the two games I'm going to smack the hell out of you. image

    Uhh, ok, but it's kinda like a "this and that" thing here, I'm talking about "this" and you are talking about "that".

    But I'll admit, I didn't get my point out clearly.

  • muffins89muffins89 Yakima, WAPosts: 1,585Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer

    No, ANET sold out quite some time ago. Who do you think is calling these shots right now? http://www.arena.net/press/ncsoft_acquires_arenanet

    I wonder why no one mentiones this when good decisions are made. As if all the bad decision comes only from Ncsoft.

    I'm just saying. I think ANET was given their autonomy for GW2 but with the stipulation that it turned a certain profit. Now that GW2 may not be bringing in as much bacon as NCSoft had hoped for, they are exerting their authority. Obviously, it's just speculation on my part, But I wouldn't be surprised.

    Well obviously because it's so far out that there.  At least you have a vivid imagination.

    And just how in the hell does someone sell out that hasn't produced something?  They were purchased in 2002 and had not yet released a title.  When a band or artist sell out don't they have to sell out from something?

    Here's an example:

    Metallica - Master of Puppets

    Metallica - anything after the black album (and even that was questionable)

    Are you seeing the sell out line?

    ANet in 2002 - ....

    ANet in 2005 - Guild Wars

    ANet in 2012 - Guild Wars 2

    And the sellout line is?  If you say between the two games I'm going to smack the hell out of you. image

    uh, ... dude never said anything about anyone 'selling out'.  but it is plausable that they are doing certain things in order to retain players so they can make more money.  which is (at least imo)  what his ( the guy you quoted) point was. 

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 10,259Member Epic
    Originally posted by NBlitz
    Originally posted by mmoguy43
    The developer's vision for a game can be changed and patched just like everything else. That's why I never take what a dev says as complete, unchangeble truth but rather their current path.

    That's nice and all and I agree but I do have a sliiight problem when ridiculous strongly worded "manifesto" videos are made public.

    'I swung a swordI swung a sword again. Hey! I swung it again.'

    /slap

    Yeah, I hate that fricken thing.  It's so arrogant and lame.  When you have to tell people how cool you are, then you're not that cool.

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  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 3,374Member Uncommon
    It's ANets job as a developer to get people to try thengame and more improtantly to get them to keep playing.  I don't think adding another micro tier of armor from one dungeon means that NCSoft is forcing their hand.  I think it's ANet recognizing that players were gearing up very quickly and need something new to keep them playing. 
  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 10,259Member Epic
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Torvaldr

    Well obviously because it's so far out that there.  At least you have a vivid imagination. And just how in the hell does someone sell out that hasn't produced something?  They were purchased in 2002 and had not yet released a title.  When a band or artist sell out don't they have to sell out from something? Here's an example: Metallica - Master of Puppets Metallica - anything after the black album (and even that was questionable) Are you seeing the sell out line? ANet in 2002 - .... ANet in 2005 - Guild Wars ANet in 2012 - Guild Wars 2 And the sellout line is?  If you say between the two games I'm going to smack the hell out of you. image

    Uhh, ok, but it's kinda like a "this and that" thing here, I'm talking about "this" and you are talking about "that".

    But I'll admit, I didn't get my point out clearly.

    I was referring to the sell out part of your original post and there was a whole chain in the topic.  Plus you have to give me some credit for the Metallica illustration.

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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 7,618Member Epic
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by NBlitz
    Originally posted by mmoguy43
    The developer's vision for a game can be changed and patched just like everything else. That's why I never take what a dev says as complete, unchangeble truth but rather their current path.

    That's nice and all and I agree but I do have a sliiight problem when ridiculous strongly worded "manifesto" videos are made public.

    'I swung a swordI swung a sword again. Hey! I swung it again.'

    /slap

    Yeah, I hate that fricken thing.  It's so arrogant and lame.  When you have to tell people how cool you are, then you're not that cool.

    I used to have a buddy who was into offroading (big time) He was famous for saying. Real Four Wheel Drives don't say 4X4 on the back.

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 7,618Member Epic
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Torvaldr

    Well obviously because it's so far out that there.  At least you have a vivid imagination. And just how in the hell does someone sell out that hasn't produced something?  They were purchased in 2002 and had not yet released a title.  When a band or artist sell out don't they have to sell out from something? Here's an example: Metallica - Master of Puppets Metallica - anything after the black album (and even that was questionable) Are you seeing the sell out line? ANet in 2002 - .... ANet in 2005 - Guild Wars ANet in 2012 - Guild Wars 2 And the sellout line is?  If you say between the two games I'm going to smack the hell out of you. image

    Uhh, ok, but it's kinda like a "this and that" thing here, I'm talking about "this" and you are talking about "that".

    But I'll admit, I didn't get my point out clearly.

    I was referring to the sell out part of your original post and there was a whole chain in the topic.  Plus you have to give me some credit for the Metallica illustration.

    It was more a play on words from the guy I quoted. Which is why I said I wasn't clear.

  • WhitebeardsWhitebeards TokyoPosts: 778Member
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins
    It's ANets job as a developer to get people to try thengame and more improtantly to get them to keep playing.  I don't think adding another micro tier of armor from one dungeon means that NCSoft is forcing their hand.  I think it's ANet recognizing that players were gearing up very quickly and need something new to keep them playing. 

    It would have been better if Anet had just shut up about the whole' no gear grind and everyone will be equal and horizontal progression only' nosnense. If they had not made those manifesto videos with all the big talks, the backlash would have been non existsant.

    Devs need to know when to stop running their mouth.

  • muffins89muffins89 Yakima, WAPosts: 1,585Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Torvaldr

    Well obviously because it's so far out that there.  At least you have a vivid imagination. And just how in the hell does someone sell out that hasn't produced something?  They were purchased in 2002 and had not yet released a title.  When a band or artist sell out don't they have to sell out from something? Here's an example: Metallica - Master of Puppets Metallica - anything after the black album (and even that was questionable) Are you seeing the sell out line? ANet in 2002 - .... ANet in 2005 - Guild Wars ANet in 2012 - Guild Wars 2 And the sellout line is?  If you say between the two games I'm going to smack the hell out of you. image

    Uhh, ok, but it's kinda like a "this and that" thing here, I'm talking about "this" and you are talking about "that".

    But I'll admit, I didn't get my point out clearly.

    I was referring to the sell out part of your original post and there was a whole chain in the topic.  Plus you have to give me some credit for the Metallica illustration.

    NNOOO.   Metallica is the most over rated band ever.

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 7,618Member Epic
    Originally posted by muffins89
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Torvaldr

    Well obviously because it's so far out that there.  At least you have a vivid imagination. And just how in the hell does someone sell out that hasn't produced something?  They were purchased in 2002 and had not yet released a title.  When a band or artist sell out don't they have to sell out from something? Here's an example: Metallica - Master of Puppets Metallica - anything after the black album (and even that was questionable) Are you seeing the sell out line? ANet in 2002 - .... ANet in 2005 - Guild Wars ANet in 2012 - Guild Wars 2 And the sellout line is?  If you say between the two games I'm going to smack the hell out of you. image

    Uhh, ok, but it's kinda like a "this and that" thing here, I'm talking about "this" and you are talking about "that".

    But I'll admit, I didn't get my point out clearly.

    I was referring to the sell out part of your original post and there was a whole chain in the topic.  Plus you have to give me some credit for the Metallica illustration.

    NNOOO.   Metallica is the most over rated band ever.

    I like Metallica

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boanuwUMNNQ

  • muffins89muffins89 Yakima, WAPosts: 1,585Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by muffins89
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Torvaldr

    Well obviously because it's so far out that there.  At least you have a vivid imagination. And just how in the hell does someone sell out that hasn't produced something?  They were purchased in 2002 and had not yet released a title.  When a band or artist sell out don't they have to sell out from something? Here's an example: Metallica - Master of Puppets Metallica - anything after the black album (and even that was questionable) Are you seeing the sell out line? ANet in 2002 - .... ANet in 2005 - Guild Wars ANet in 2012 - Guild Wars 2 And the sellout line is?  If you say between the two games I'm going to smack the hell out of you. image

    Uhh, ok, but it's kinda like a "this and that" thing here, I'm talking about "this" and you are talking about "that".

    But I'll admit, I didn't get my point out clearly.

    I was referring to the sell out part of your original post and there was a whole chain in the topic.  Plus you have to give me some credit for the Metallica illustration.

    NNOOO.   Metallica is the most over rated band ever.

    I like Metallica

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boanuwUMNNQ

    they had one good album imo.  good musicians,   bad song writers.  but i respet your opinion.

  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Niagara Falls, NYPosts: 3,675Member Uncommon
    Occupy Arena Net!!!! We are the 99%!! Get the Tea Baggers going too.

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