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Microsoft Makes DirectX 11.1 a Windows 8 Exclusive

TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member

Ok, let your paranoia run wild about Microsoft's plan to control the gaming market.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/12/3634852/microsoft-directx-11-1-windows-8

What does this mean in the long term? Any games that rely on DirectX 11.1 will only run under Windows 8. I'm not sure how long that will take...I'm still running Windows XP so I expect it'll take awhile.

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

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  • QSatuQSatu WarsawPosts: 1,735Member Uncommon
    A wonderful way to stop developers from using DX11.1 just like now most devs still treat DX 9 as the main thing.
  • deakondeakon birminghamPosts: 583Member
    Someone will find a work around, the same thing happened with dx10
  • hfztthfztt GlostrupPosts: 841Member Uncommon

    As someone who has Windows 8 installed, I will say they will need gunpoint arguments to get people to switch.

    Its bad. Not even Vista bad. More like Win ME bad. Yeah really. THAT bad.

    Its not that I dont like what they are trying to do, I knda do. Its just that the products is so unfinished and bug ridden, that it is not even funny.

  • ShaikeShaike NesherPosts: 301Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by hfztt

    As someone who has Windows 8 installed, I will say they will need gunpoint arguments to get people to switch.

    Its bad. Not even Vista bad. More like Win ME bad. Yeah really. THAT bad.

    Its not that I dont like what they are trying to do, I knda do. Its just that the products is so unfinished and bug ridden, that it is not even funny.

    LOL and again LOL@!

     

    i thought of installing it on a VM to try in out - thanks for saving me the trouble...

     

    and as for the OP - exactly like DX10 - no one noticed it and ppl will just use the one before and the one after.....

    Just my 2 cents...

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  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by Shaike
    Originally posted by hfztt As someone who has Windows 8 installed, I will say they will need gunpoint arguments to get people to switch. Its bad. Not even Vista bad. More like Win ME bad. Yeah really. THAT bad. Its not that I dont like what they are trying to do, I knda do. Its just that the products is so unfinished and bug ridden, that it is not even funny.
    LOL and again LOL@!

     

    i thought of installing it on a VM to try in out - thanks for saving me the trouble...

     

    and as for the OP - exactly like DX10 - no one noticed it and ppl will just use the one before and the one after.....




    I've heard the opposite, on these very forums. That Windows 8 actually works. Even if it worked, you'd still need the gunpoint though, because Windows 7 works, and so does Windows XP. There's very little incentive to switch.

    For Microsoft though, there's incentive to limit backwards compatibility. Mostly because of sales, but also because that backwards compatibility is expensive and causes issues that would otherwise be avoided.

    Well, I'm hoping this will give a boost to OpenGL, if not Linux. I think competition is good, and another viable gaming platform would probably be a good thing for consumers.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Microsoft in being a set of gits shocker!

    Hopefully more game devs will tell them where to stick win 8 now.

    Just wait on win 9 , once they've suckered people with win 8 it will be "metro" only, and all your games will come through Microsoft with a crappy xbl setup (cost 30% more, bugger all patches, no mods, small devs pushed out)
  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Win 8 is basicly win 7 and win 9 stuck together with hammers and duct tape.

    They can sell it to casual home users with the "ooo look its like iPad" interface. They are trying to force home power users / gamers onto it with these tricks. I wonder what wheeze they will come up with to force business users onto it.
  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Lizard dam right there's incentive not to be backwards compatible.

    Xbox style cut from every pc game.
  • KilrainKilrain Prineville, ORPosts: 684Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by hfztt

    As someone who has Windows 8 installed, I will say they will need gunpoint arguments to get people to switch.

    Its bad. Not even Vista bad. More like Win ME bad. Yeah really. THAT bad.

    Its not that I dont like what they are trying to do, I knda do. Its just that the products is so unfinished and bug ridden, that it is not even funny.

    You obviously don't know what you're talking about. I've ran win8 release preview excusively for months and it worked flawlessly, just as good as windows 7 and sometimes better. It definitely starts much faster than win7 sometimes feels instant. The ONLY thing throwing people off is the metro UI, which you don't need to use.

    Is there an incentive to switch from win7 to win8? Not unless you want a laptop/tablet combo or just a tablet. But if you were to switch, metro UI is the only thing you would notice being different, and like I said before, you don't have to use it.

    professional web programming and design.

  • JorlJorl SunderlandPosts: 257Member
    Well I know STEAM isn't happy with Windows 8 and they will try and do something by having games aviliable with other operating systems, but we'll see. I am staying with Windows 7 but if I want to upgrade my operating system I will go with windows 8, I will go with something else.
  • AG-VukAG-Vuk Phoenix, AZPosts: 823Member Uncommon
    If I recall Win 8 is the basis for the next gaming console X-box. It's suppose to unify the cell phone, tablet, PC and console sytems under one system. Theory is one thing , practice is another. We'll see how this works out.  

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  • OG_ZorvanOG_Zorvan Fresno, CAPosts: 615Member
    Originally posted by Jorl
    Well I know STEAM isn't happy with Windows 8 and they will try and do something by having games aviliable with other operating systems, but we'll see. I am staying with Windows 7 but if I want to upgrade my operating system I will go with windows 8, I will go with something else.

     The only reason Valve could have for not liking Windows 8 is Gabe Newell having a temporary stick lodged up his arse, as he has been known to be prone to.

    Valve has no issue with Windows 8. Valve is looking at linux most likely as an OS base for their own hardware they're developing, while also offering an option for those who run linux systems and would like to play games natively. In other words, they're just exanding their customer base like any smart company will.

    No different than when they decided to make STEAM for Mac. Or wait, did you think they made STEAM work for Mac because they hated Windows XP and 7 too? lol

    There is absolutely nothing about Windows 8 on PC that is a detriment to Valve/STEAM. Everything installs and runs just like on every OS before it. You don't need any special apps or permissions or to use a MS store or anything else.

    EA CEO John Riccitiello's on future microtransactions: "When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging."

  • ArglebargleArglebargle Austin, TXPosts: 1,419Member Uncommon
    Unless they lock the new Xbox to DX11.1 (which I think they can't do, due to hardware), this will be a stunted move.   And one with way less reason for it than the move to  DX10

    If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  • SuprGamerXSuprGamerX Montreal, QCPosts: 531Member
     LOL , like someone said earlier , a fix around will be available , also most games still run on Dx 9.0. So Microsoft can take their 11.1 and shove it , it will not increase the sales of Windows 8 since Win8 is a piece of trash.
  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by OG_Zorvan
    Originally posted by Jorl Well I know STEAM isn't happy with Windows 8 and they will try and do something by having games aviliable with other operating systems, but we'll see. I am staying with Windows 7 but if I want to upgrade my operating system I will go with windows 8, I will go with something else.
     The only reason Valve could have for not liking Windows 8 is Gabe Newell having a temporary stick lodged up his arse, as he has been known to be prone to.

    Valve has no issue with Windows 8. Valve is looking at linux most likely as an OS base for their own hardware they're developing, while also offering an option for those who run linux systems and would like to play games natively. In other words, they're just exanding their customer base like any smart company will.

    No different than when they decided to make STEAM for Mac. Or wait, did you think they made STEAM work for Mac because they hated Windows XP and 7 too? lol

    There is absolutely nothing about Windows 8 on PC that is a detriment to Valve/STEAM. Everything installs and runs just like on every OS before it. You don't need any special apps or permissions or to use a MS store or anything else.




    Valve was not happy because Microsoft's plan is to move to a closed ecosystem, similar to what Apple has with the iPad. That's where WindowsRT comes in (Windows 8 on a tablet). Beyond that, Windows 8 doesn't work too much different that Win7 in that you can install and run anything that will install.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • OG_ZorvanOG_Zorvan Fresno, CAPosts: 615Member
    Originally posted by lizardbones

     


    Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

    Originally posted by Jorl Well I know STEAM isn't happy with Windows 8 and they will try and do something by having games aviliable with other operating systems, but we'll see. I am staying with Windows 7 but if I want to upgrade my operating system I will go with windows 8, I will go with something else.
     The only reason Valve could have for not liking Windows 8 is Gabe Newell having a temporary stick lodged up his arse, as he has been known to be prone to.

     

    Valve has no issue with Windows 8. Valve is looking at linux most likely as an OS base for their own hardware they're developing, while also offering an option for those who run linux systems and would like to play games natively. In other words, they're just exanding their customer base like any smart company will.

    No different than when they decided to make STEAM for Mac. Or wait, did you think they made STEAM work for Mac because they hated Windows XP and 7 too? lol

    There is absolutely nothing about Windows 8 on PC that is a detriment to Valve/STEAM. Everything installs and runs just like on every OS before it. You don't need any special apps or permissions or to use a MS store or anything else.



    Valve was not happy because Microsoft's plan is to move to a closed ecosystem, similar to what Apple has with the iPad. That's where WindowsRT comes in (Windows 8 on a tablet). Beyond that, Windows 8 doesn't work too much different that Win7 in that you can install and run anything that will install.

     

    Sure, Windows RT.

    The main issue is Microsoft forgot most PC users are tech illiterate and failed to differentiate Windows 8 RT from Windows 8 itself.

    So people just see "Windows 8 is a closed system" instead of "Windows 8 RT, the OS that operates your phones and tablets you dumbass, is a closed system."

    Not only that, they failed to describe the differences well enough in the beginning that even game developers were mistaken ( like Valve ) about how the PC version worked.

    Everyone focused on the damn "Metro" interface and how it made a PC "look and feel" like a tablet/phone and then just naturally assumed it WAS like a tablet/phone.

    Microsoft didn't bungle the OS, they bungled the marketing. Big time.

    The average PC users stupidity/ignorance finished the job.

    EA CEO John Riccitiello's on future microtransactions: "When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging."

  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 2,932Member Uncommon
    My hope is that all of this will simply lead to a much improved OpenGL that can compete with and theoretically overtake DirectX.
  • Arcondo87Arcondo87 Prince Albert, SKPosts: 94Member
    STILL NOT going to get it...ill upgrade when Windows 9 comes out thank you!
  • Southpaw.GamerSouthpaw.Gamer Guelph, ONPosts: 572Member

    I got a copy of Windows 8 free through my school and I have zero complaints about the OS on a meaningful level.  It's more having to adapt to the new layout.  I don't get the Windows 8 hate... not like this is Vista 2.0

     

    Try it before you hate on it.

    Full Sail University - Game Design

  • OG_ZorvanOG_Zorvan Fresno, CAPosts: 615Member
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins
    My hope is that all of this will simply lead to a much improved OpenGL that can compete with and theoretically overtake DirectX.

    If you could manage to get all of the opensource/linux "devs" together instead of everyone fighting for their own little unique snowflake piece of the pie like they've done the past 20+ years ( thus neutering the development of the opensource code they all "love" so much ), it would have been done already and Windows/ would be the second most used OS and directX the minority architecture.

    Even the "big boys" like Red Hat, etc. are/were more concerned with making their linux version "unique" rather than a viable Windows alternative.

    The reason directX won over openGL is because it is A.) simple to program/use and B.) has a uniform structure.

    The same reason Windows itself has buried linux since forever.

    EA CEO John Riccitiello's on future microtransactions: "When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging."

  • Originally posted by hfztt

    As someone who has Windows 8 installed, I will say they will need gunpoint arguments to get people to switch.

    Its bad. Not even Vista bad. More like Win ME bad. Yeah really. THAT bad.

    Its not that I dont like what they are trying to do, I knda do. Its just that the products is so unfinished and bug ridden, that it is not even funny.

    LOL, what? You've clearly not even used Windows 8 at all. I've been running it since launch and have had no issues. I really enjoyed Windows 7, but 8 is clearly much faster and has some nice improvements (Task Manager). Some of the apps in Metro are quite good as well.

    Steam works perfectly as do all of the games I play. 

    Windows ME and Vista were truly awful; Windows 8 is quite nice. If anyone has any doubts about it, try going into a retail store and playing around with it for while. I demo it for customers at work all the time and the majority of them like it.

    If you don't like it after honestly giving it a try, then that's your right, but don't delude yourself into thinking that it's another Vista or ME.

  • wrekognizewrekognize salt lake city, UTPosts: 384Member
    Originally posted by Bainwalker

    I got a copy of Windows 8 free through my school and I have zero complaints about the OS on a meaningful level.  It's more having to adapt to the new layout.  I don't get the Windows 8 hate... not like this is Vista 2.0

     

    Try it before you hate on it.

     

    It looks ugly as **** on a monitor. No reason to try something that looks like trash.

     

     

    ....

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,222Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Bainwalker

    I got a copy of Windows 8 free through my school and I have zero complaints about the OS on a meaningful level.  It's more having to adapt to the new layout.  I don't get the Windows 8 hate... not like this is Vista 2.0

     

    Try it before you hate on it.

    Yep, adjusting to some new ways has been the hardest part.  I love it.  Mine looks like Win7 without the start bubble.  I don't really think about it being a new OS.  I love the new start menu and quick search.  I love that I can customize my start menu just how I want.  I also love how my Microsoft account integrates into the OS and in Office.

    Office 2013 is by far their best improvement this release.  Outlook is the best version yet.  Again, with office it will take a little adjustment, but I think it's a huge improvement.

    As for DX 11.1 and the OPs hypothesis... I don't think so at all.  Devs will use the version of DirectX that they're familiar with and has the widest audience.  DX11 is just seeing somewhat common use and it's on Win7, the most widely used OS on the planet.  It will happen eventually after Win8 gains momentum.

  • OcenicaOcenica Cocoa, FLPosts: 96Member
    Originally posted by zenryoku
    Originally posted by hfztt

    As someone who has Windows 8 installed, I will say they will need gunpoint arguments to get people to switch.

    Its bad. Not even Vista bad. More like Win ME bad. Yeah really. THAT bad.

    Its not that I dont like what they are trying to do, I knda do. Its just that the products is so unfinished and bug ridden, that it is not even funny.

    LOL, what? You've clearly not even used Windows 8 at all. I've been running it since launch and have had no issues. I really enjoyed Windows 7, but 8 is clearly much faster and has some nice improvements (Task Manager). Some of the apps in Metro are quite good as well.

    Steam works perfectly as do all of the games I play. 

    Windows ME and Vista were truly awful; Windows 8 is quite nice. If anyone has any doubts about it, try going into a retail store and playing around with it for while. I demo it for customers at work all the time and the majority of them like it.

    If you don't like it after honestly giving it a try, then that's your right, but don't delude yourself into thinking that it's another Vista or ME.

    That part there Mr. Gates, made my left eyebrow raise.

  • JayFiveAliveJayFiveAlive Arvada, COPosts: 534Member Uncommon

    Ehhh Windows 8 still has a ways to go. My sound randomly stops working until I disable the speakers and reenable them under Hardware and sound (not just mute and unmute). Sadly I was on the latest Windows 8 driver for them too.

    Also had a lot of issues getting my G400 mouse to be programmable.

     

    For now I am back with Windows 7... Windows 8 with Start8 is not horrible.. but I would never use it without Start8. At least it makes it more Windows 7 like then lol.

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