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What "Server Full" means

livespartanlivespartan calexico, CAPosts: 71Member

CC Eva

Community Coordinator

Hello everyone. Connor, when you see a server FULL means that it is full from people actually playing there at the moment, independently of where did they create their accounts. For example, if a player creates an account in Vizunah Square and then moves to Baruch Bay, then all the characters of this player will go to Baruch Bay and he will be counted among the total amount of players of Baruch.

Source:

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Server-Populations/first#post703192

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  • sammyelisammyeli Fremont, CAPosts: 765Member
    You are playing a very dangerous game my friend and its called common sense. you might want to run NOW!~!!! O_O

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    “The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.”

    Carl Sagan-

  • WhitebeardsWhitebeards TokyoPosts: 778Member
    Originally posted by sammyeli
    You are playing a very dangerous game my friend and its called common sense. you might want to run NOW!~!!! O_O

    Not everyone knew that all your alts are counted in player population. I have 5 alts, i can only imagine how many others have   that many and more. That is why a lot of people wonder where all the players are even though server is FULL.

    Not that common sense bro.

  • PurutzilPurutzil East Stroudsburg, PAPosts: 2,924Member Uncommon

    Dear Player:

     

    When you see "Server Full" message, it does not mean the server is actually full. Not having a number means that the numbers its set for can easily be influenced to whatever the create wants to make claims that is the population. Never should you use Server Population numbers to judge how well a game is doing as its a number easily able to be manipulated in order to make the game look as if its doing better then it really is. No, not just this game, every game that exists out there. Stop using those types of indicators as proof that population is or is not doing good in a game. 

     

    Thank you.

     

     

  • sammyelisammyeli Fremont, CAPosts: 765Member
    Originally posted by Purutzil

    Dear Player:

     

    When you see "Server Full" message, it does not mean the server is actually full. Not having a number means that the numbers its set for can easily be influenced to whatever the create wants to make claims that is the population. Never should you use Server Population numbers to judge how well a game is doing as its a number easily able to be manipulated in order to make the game look as if its doing better then it really is. No, not just this game, every game that exists out there. Stop using those types of indicators as proof that population is or is not doing good in a game. 

     

    Thank you.

     

     

    See he knows what I am talking about.!

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    “The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.”

    Carl Sagan-

  • Zeus.CMZeus.CM ZagrebPosts: 1,788Member

    Okay, so this is settled. When server is full it means many people are online at that moment on that server. This image was taken one minuta ago:

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    At this very moment 21 servers are full, around 30 high and 5 servers on medium. There is no low populated server.

  • sammyelisammyeli Fremont, CAPosts: 765Member
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by sammyeli
    You are playing a very dangerous game my friend and its called common sense. you might want to run NOW!~!!! O_O

    Not everyone knew that all your alts are counted in player population. I have 5 alts, i can only imagine how many others have   that many and more. That is why a lot of people wonder where all the players are even though server is FULL.

    Not that common sense bro.

    Oh sir how dare I offend someone, please throw me in a pit!

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    “The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.”

    Carl Sagan-

  • WhitebeardsWhitebeards TokyoPosts: 778Member
    Originally posted by sammyeli
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by sammyeli
    You are playing a very dangerous game my friend and its called common sense. you might want to run NOW!~!!! O_O

    Not everyone knew that all your alts are counted in player population. I have 5 alts, i can only imagine how many others have   that many and more. That is why a lot of people wonder where all the players are even though server is FULL.

    Not that common sense bro.

    Oh sir how dare I offend someone, please throw me in a pit!

    I am not  offended. I just disagree that this was common knowledge.

  • muffins89muffins89 Yakima, WAPosts: 1,306Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Zeus.CM

    Okay, so this is settled. When server is full it means many people are online at that moment on that server. This image was taken one minuta ago:

    image

     

    At this very moment 21 servers are full, around 30 high and 5 servers on medium. There is no low populated server.

    or could simply mean that Arenanet doesnt want any more people xfering to those servers.

    I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon

    So essentially, Full = players/5

    Nice.

  • CalerxesCalerxes LondonPosts: 1,630Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by grimal

    So essentially, Full = players/5

    Nice.

     

    Thats what I read it as, it doesn't say anything about concuurent players. So my question is..

     

    Can you transfer to a server thats says its full?

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  • PivotelitePivotelite Hamilton, ONPosts: 2,167Member

    It was manipulated in SWTOR and TERA and the rabid defenders of GW2 always use it thinking it isn't being manipulated in GW2.

     

    Heck, right now TERAs servers are listed as "high" meaning they may experience "regular queues". LOL.

     

    So why was my server full back when there were 2 hour queues and 130 matches going on in Spvp over a month ago and it's still full now with no queue in WvW and 30 matches going on?

     

    GW2 must have a lot of people AFK right? No, it's just being manipulated.

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  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,209Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by muffins89
    Originally posted by Zeus.CM

    Okay, so this is settled. When server is full it means many people are online at that moment on that server. This image was taken one minuta ago:

    image

    At this very moment 21 servers are full, around 30 high and 5 servers on medium. There is no low populated server.

    or could simply mean that Arenanet doesnt want any more people xfering to those servers.

    No.  Once again it means actual players playing on those servers.  As was mentioned above what low, medium, high, and full actually mean are subjective to the game and application settings.

  • WhitebeardsWhitebeards TokyoPosts: 778Member
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by muffins89
    Originally posted by Zeus.CM

    Okay, so this is settled. When server is full it means many people are online at that moment on that server. This image was taken one minuta ago:

    image

    At this very moment 21 servers are full, around 30 high and 5 servers on medium. There is no low populated server.

    or could simply mean that Arenanet doesnt want any more people xfering to those servers.

    No.  Once again it means actual players playing on those servers.  As was mentioned above what low, medium, high, and full actually mean are subjective to the game and application settings.

    Actual players as well as their alts.

  • sammyelisammyeli Fremont, CAPosts: 765Member
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by sammyeli
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by sammyeli
    You are playing a very dangerous game my friend and its called common sense. you might want to run NOW!~!!! O_O

    Not everyone knew that all your alts are counted in player population. I have 5 alts, i can only imagine how many others have   that many and more. That is why a lot of people wonder where all the players are even though server is FULL.

    Not that common sense bro.

    Oh sir how dare I offend someone, please throw me in a pit!

    I am not  offended. I just disagree that this was common knowledge.

    I didn't knwo this was common practice in mmos to post a server status and then say well these servers are full because there are 1 million registered here. damn common sense tell me whats right and whats wrong.

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    “The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.”

    Carl Sagan-

  • niceguy3978niceguy3978 Gainesville, FLPosts: 2,000Member
    That explanation is worded poorly because it can be interepreted in 2 ways at the same time, and both interpretations contradict each other.  To me the first line when he says "Full means it is full from people actually playing there at the moment" implies concurrency.  However, the following sentence contradicts that implication because it is talking about alts and all characters of the account being counted among the total players on the server.  I don't know if this contradictory wording was intentional or not, but it cleared things up about as well as mud.
  • WhitebeardsWhitebeards TokyoPosts: 778Member
    Originally posted by sammyeli
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by sammyeli
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by sammyeli
    You are playing a very dangerous game my friend and its called common sense. you might want to run NOW!~!!! O_O

    Not everyone knew that all your alts are counted in player population. I have 5 alts, i can only imagine how many others have   that many and more. That is why a lot of people wonder where all the players are even though server is FULL.

    Not that common sense bro.

    Oh sir how dare I offend someone, please throw me in a pit!

    I am not  offended. I just disagree that this was common knowledge.

    I didn't knwo this was common practice in mmos to post a server status and then say well these servers are full because there are 1 million registered here. damn common sense tell me whats right and whats wrong.

    So your common sense told you that all characters on your account are counted towards total population on server? because i surely didn't know that.

  • Zeus.CMZeus.CM ZagrebPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by muffins89
    Originally posted by Zeus.CM

    Okay, so this is settled. When server is full it means many people are online at that moment on that server. This image was taken one minuta ago:

    image

    At this very moment 21 servers are full, around 30 high and 5 servers on medium. There is no low populated server.

    or could simply mean that Arenanet doesnt want any more people xfering to those servers.

    No.  Once again it means actual players playing on those servers.  As was mentioned above what low, medium, high, and full actually mean are subjective to the game and application settings.

    Actual players as well as their alts.

    You guys must have misunderstood. Community manager Eva only explained what does transfering account to another server means - it means all your characters will be transfered to new server.

    Quote:

    "or example, if a player creates an account in Vizunah Square and then moves to Baruch Bay, then all the characters of this player will go to Baruch Bay and he will be counted among the total amount of players of Baruch.#

    It's singular. You can't play several alts at the same time. All characters are counted as one account.

  • QSatuQSatu WarsawPosts: 1,735Member Uncommon
    I wonder if this CC Eva is a native english speaker.
  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,209Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by livespartan

    CC Eva

    Community Coordinator

    Hello everyone. Connor, when you see a server FULL means that it is full from people actually playing there at the moment, independently of where did they create their accounts. For example, if a player creates an account in Vizunah Square and then moves to Baruch Bay, then all the characters of this player will go to Baruch Bay and he will be counted among the total amount of players of Baruch.

    Source:

    https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Server-Populations/first#post703192

    Originally posted by grimal

    So essentially, Full = players/5

    Nice.

    No.  Once again, read it carefully.  The player is counted (singular) where they are actually playinig at the moment (whatever server they are on) regardless of where they created their characters.  All the characters on the account are counted towards the server they are on now, NOT where they were created.

    It is saying the exact opposite of what you're saying and is to explain that all the characters on the account DON'T count towards concurrent population.

    However, as has been pointed out, "Full" is subjective.  The number of concurrent players on a server that will flag the status as "High" are all different between GW2, RIFT, WoW, EQ2, LotRO, AoC, etc., for every single game out there.

  • sammyelisammyeli Fremont, CAPosts: 765Member
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by sammyeli
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by sammyeli
    Originally posted by Whitebeards
    Originally posted by sammyeli
    You are playing a very dangerous game my friend and its called common sense. you might want to run NOW!~!!! O_O

    Not everyone knew that all your alts are counted in player population. I have 5 alts, i can only imagine how many others have   that many and more. That is why a lot of people wonder where all the players are even though server is FULL.

    Not that common sense bro.

    Oh sir how dare I offend someone, please throw me in a pit!

    I am not  offended. I just disagree that this was common knowledge.

    I didn't knwo this was common practice in mmos to post a server status and then say well these servers are full because there are 1 million registered here. damn common sense tell me whats right and whats wrong.

    So your common sense told you that all characters on your account are counted towards total population on server? because i surely didn't know that.

    YOu can keep reading what eva says how ever you want to but I do not really care how you take it in, I am just here for the lol and enjoying the conversation.

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    “The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.”

    Carl Sagan-

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,209Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by niceguy3978
    That explanation is worded poorly because it can be interepreted in 2 ways at the same time, and both interpretations contradict each other.  To me the first line when he says "Full means it is full from people actually playing there at the moment" implies concurrency.  However, the following sentence contradicts that implication because it is talking about alts and all characters of the account being counted among the total players on the server.  I don't know if this contradictory wording was intentional or not, but it cleared things up about as well as mud.

    It could be worded better, but never in a way that can't be spun by someone with an agenda.  That's always true here.

    The keyword in the statement is the line saying "he will be counted" which is also singular.  The reference to alts is that all the characters on an account count towards one server only, not many.  You can only play one alt at a time and thus only be counted once.  When you log onto any characters in that example they will all count toward Baruch, not where they were originally created.

    edit: Zeus explained and highlighted it above.

  • PurutzilPurutzil East Stroudsburg, PAPosts: 2,924Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Zeus.CM

    Quote:

    "or example, if a player creates an account in Vizunah Square and then moves to Baruch Bay, then all the characters of this player will go to Baruch Bay and he will be counted among the total amount of players of Baruch.#

    It's singular. You can't play several alts at the same time. All characters are counted as one account.

    Well granted I can tell your an 'avid supporter' of the game and your probably going to quickly dismissed it, reading what it says there the whole 'full server' deal for transfers according to the quotes sounds like the alts all count individually based off his wording rather then as a single account, meaning 5 alts means +5 characters counted as far as server population goes.

     

    Sorry, just going off what the quote sounds like. Might be true or not but wording wise its making it sound like alts count individually towards the total.

  • niceguy3978niceguy3978 Gainesville, FLPosts: 2,000Member
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by niceguy3978
    That explanation is worded poorly because it can be interepreted in 2 ways at the same time, and both interpretations contradict each other.  To me the first line when he says "Full means it is full from people actually playing there at the moment" implies concurrency.  However, the following sentence contradicts that implication because it is talking about alts and all characters of the account being counted among the total players on the server.  I don't know if this contradictory wording was intentional or not, but it cleared things up about as well as mud.

    It could be worded better, but never in a way that can't be spun by someone with an agenda.  That's always true here.

    The keyword in the statement is the line saying "he will be counted" which is also singular.  The reference to alts is that all the characters on an account count towards one server only, not many.  You can only play one alt at a time and thus only be counted once.  When you log onto any characters in that example they will all count toward Baruch, not where they were originally created.

    edit: Zeus explained and highlighted it above.

    I don't really see how a simple "Logged in characters count towards the server population that they are logged on."  Specify characters and not accounts simplifies everything since you can only have characters on the same server anyway. (Given more than a few minutes I could have worred it better than repeatedly using the wored "logged" but it is still much clearer than what was written and in fewer words).

  • Zeus.CMZeus.CM ZagrebPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by Purutzil
    Originally posted by Zeus.CM

    Quote:

    "or example, if a player creates an account in Vizunah Square and then moves to Baruch Bay, then all the characters of this player will go to Baruch Bay and he will be counted among the total amount of players of Baruch.#

    It's singular. You can't play several alts at the same time. All characters are counted as one account.

    Well granted I can tell your an 'avid supporter' of the game and your probably going to quickly dismissed it, reading what it says there the whole 'full server' deal for transfers according to the quotes sounds like the alts all count individually based off his wording rather then as a single account, meaning 5 alts means +5 characters counted as far as server population goes.

     

    Sorry, just going off what the quote sounds like. Might be true or not but wording wise its making it sound like alts count individually towards the total.

    Me being a GW2 player is irrelevant. It just isn't logical to count 5 alts of one account as 5 accounts, since you can play only one at the time. If Eva said THEY will be counted then it would mean all characters are counted as accounts which would be appsurd.

  • PivotelitePivotelite Hamilton, ONPosts: 2,167Member
    Originally posted by Zeus.CM

    Me being a GW2 player is irrelevant. It just isn't logical to count 5 alts of one account as 5 accounts, since you can play only one at the time. If Eva said THEY will be counted then it would mean all characters are counted as accounts which would be appsurd.

     That's what it's saying and I believe it, TERA did the same thing, servers a month after release went from medium to high although playerbase clearly was dropping when asked why they said all alts counted towards the population.

     

    And it is logical, Anet is doing it to make people think the game is still growing instead of shrinking,  just like the devs over at EME did with TERA.

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