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  • fiontarfiontar Dana, MAPosts: 3,719Member
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by fiontar
    Originally posted by Larsa

    It certainly looks like many of the hardcore fans on the forums here have left. We might be down to 10 or so ...

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    I have an excuse, I almost died 3 weeks ago, am finally home and am still recovering! Been too tired for GW2 the last couple days, but may hop on tonight. :)

    I appreciate the point made by the OP. Many "hardcore" players "burned twice as bright, but burned out four times as fast". Many of them do so out of habit, with no MMO ever keeping them beyond a month or two.

    Some of us play hardcore hours, but still have the ability to recognize and appreciate a game "with legs" and can make the mental shift needed to settle into a mode of play supportive of long term, ongoing game play.

    I hit 80 with my Prime fairly early. I hit "the wall" for a day, wondering "ok, what do I do next". Then, I shifted my thinking, stopped worrying about "end game progression" and started playing GW2 more like Slyrim than a typical MMO. I hit the 475+ hour mark before illness struck me down and was still having as much fun as I did the first week. It didn't matter if I was playing a level 80 well past the point where I reached the level cap, or a lower level alt, I have found no lack of fun from GW2.

    I think many casuals will still face the speed bump of having to adjust their expectations of how they should approach an MMO. Let's face it, most of the titles since vanilla WoW have almost "ruined" MMO players via game design that has been desructive to the genre. The casuals that can adapt to this game probably will be able to get a year or two of game play from the content at launch pretty easily. With no sub fee, that's just an incredible prospect.

    I'm curious to see how the game evolves if there is a shift more towards a casual player base. I think there is still plenty here for hard core players able to make the "paradigm shift", but I can also see this being a very enjoyable playground for players with more casual play habits for years to come.

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    Thank you! :)

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  • eye_meye_m Notta Chance, ABPosts: 3,132Member Uncommon
    I'm still playing almost every day.  I can't wait for an expansion pack or the next game to try an bring in some of the features of GW2 (exploration, DE's, B2P, and no mob-tagging)

    All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

    I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.

    I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.

  • Zeus.CMZeus.CM ZagrebPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by fiontar
    Originally posted by Larsa

    It certainly looks like many of the hardcore fans on the forums here have left. We might be down to 10 or so ...

    image

    I have an excuse, I almost died 3 weeks ago, am finally home and am still recovering! Been too tired for GW2 the last couple days, but may hop on tonight. :)

    I appreciate the point made by the OP. Many "hardcore" players "burned twice as bright, but burned out four times as fast". Many of them do so out of habit, with no MMO ever keeping them beyond a month or two.

    Some of us play hardcore hours, but still have the ability to recognize and appreciate a game "with legs" and can make the mental shift needed to settle into a mode of play supportive of long term, ongoing game play.

    I hit 80 with my Prime fairly early. I hit "the wall" for a day, wondering "ok, what do I do next". Then, I shifted my thinking, stopped worrying about "end game progression" and started playing GW2 more like Slyrim than a typical MMO. I hit the 475+ hour mark before illness struck me down and was still having as much fun as I did the first week. It didn't matter if I was playing a level 80 well past the point where I reached the level cap, or a lower level alt, I have found no lack of fun from GW2.

    I think many casuals will still face the speed bump of having to adjust their expectations of how they should approach an MMO. Let's face it, most of the titles since vanilla WoW have almost "ruined" MMO players via game design that has been desructive to the genre. The casuals that can adapt to this game probably will be able to get a year or two of game play from the content at launch pretty easily. With no sub fee, that's just an incredible prospect.

    I'm curious to see how the game evolves if there is a shift more towards a casual player base. I think there is still plenty here for hard core players able to make the "paradigm shift", but I can also see this being a very enjoyable playground for players with more casual play habits for years to come.

    I'm glad you are okay now, and I agree with your post. I'm hardcore GW2 player with 610 hours now, and still have tons of stuff to do.

  • KhebelnKhebeln BelfastPosts: 727Member Uncommon
    There never was anything hardcore about Gw2, and the fact that the game felt like 3 games patched together didint really help.

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  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCPosts: 5,606Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    Another one of these threads huh?

    Another one of these people fed-up with these threads who can't resist the temptaion to post in them huh?

     

    Sorry... couldn't resist. I love irony. image

  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCPosts: 5,606Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    Then its now time to tell the casualls about the paradise that is GW2...

     

    For me its still the best MMO game since WoW. 

     

    Thats with nearly 300 hours in 2 months of gameplay...

    I probably have about that many hours and I'm still there too.

  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownPosts: 3,452Member
    For a game where all the hardcores have left there sure are a lot of folks boasting about their hours.
  • LatronusLatronus Lexington Park, MDPosts: 692Member
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
    Originally posted by alkarionlog
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    Then its now time to tell the casualls about the paradise that is GW2...

     

    For me its still the best MMO game since WoW. 

     

    Thats with nearly 300 hours in 2 months of gameplay...

    since when wow was good?

    Since their sales numbers agree with me...

    ROFLMAO!!!!  Please come up with a real point.  The "it has the most subs" arguement makes all you sound like lemmings following the leader blindly as he heads over a cliff.  I'm personally glad has so many subs, it keeps most of the kids out of the other games.

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  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,187Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Purutzil
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    Then its now time to tell the casualls about the paradise that is GW2...

    For me its still the best MMO game since WoW. 

    Thats with nearly 300 hours in 2 months of gameplay...

    So the hardcores haven't all left yet then. image

    ^This Preaching against hardcore yet pulling hardcore player hours. So contradictory.

    So hours played is the measure of hardcore?

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,260Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    Then its now time to tell the casualls about the paradise that is GW2...

     

    For me its still the best MMO game since WoW. 

     

    Thats with nearly 300 hours in 2 months of gameplay...

    Your at the GW2 magic mark Bachus. Hardcores hit that mark in and around 3 weeks. I truly hope that you make it beyond and that you have found your game to play for years to come. 

     

    As for the hardcores, the pve'rs never came. The majority of the pvp'rs left around that 3 week mark. I say this with the current number of Spvp servers as proof. Prime time the servers never go above 30. During the first three weeks they hoverd between 180-200+ 

  • jpnolejpnole Tampa, FLPosts: 1,656Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    Then its now time to tell the casualls about the paradise that is GW2...

     

    For me its still the best MMO game since WoW. 

     

    Thats with nearly 300 hours in 2 months of gameplay...

    Well then time to update your signature, huh?

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,187Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by fiontar
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by fiontar
    Originally posted by Larsa

    It certainly looks like many of the hardcore fans on the forums here have left. We might be down to 10 or so ...

    image

    I have an excuse, I almost died 3 weeks ago, am finally home and am still recovering! Been too tired for GW2 the last couple days, but may hop on tonight. :)

    I appreciate the point made by the OP. Many "hardcore" players "burned twice as bright, but burned out four times as fast". Many of them do so out of habit, with no MMO ever keeping them beyond a month or two.

    Some of us play hardcore hours, but still have the ability to recognize and appreciate a game "with legs" and can make the mental shift needed to settle into a mode of play supportive of long term, ongoing game play.

    I hit 80 with my Prime fairly early. I hit "the wall" for a day, wondering "ok, what do I do next". Then, I shifted my thinking, stopped worrying about "end game progression" and started playing GW2 more like Slyrim than a typical MMO. I hit the 475+ hour mark before illness struck me down and was still having as much fun as I did the first week. It didn't matter if I was playing a level 80 well past the point where I reached the level cap, or a lower level alt, I have found no lack of fun from GW2.

    I think many casuals will still face the speed bump of having to adjust their expectations of how they should approach an MMO. Let's face it, most of the titles since vanilla WoW have almost "ruined" MMO players via game design that has been desructive to the genre. The casuals that can adapt to this game probably will be able to get a year or two of game play from the content at launch pretty easily. With no sub fee, that's just an incredible prospect.

    I'm curious to see how the game evolves if there is a shift more towards a casual player base. I think there is still plenty here for hard core players able to make the "paradigm shift", but I can also see this being a very enjoyable playground for players with more casual play habits for years to come.

    Welcome back

    Thank you! :)

    Yes, welcome back.  Glad you're here arguing and discussing with the rest of us.

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,260Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by fiontar
    Originally posted by Larsa

    It certainly looks like many of the hardcore fans on the forums here have left. We might be down to 10 or so ...

    image

    I have an excuse, I almost died 3 weeks ago, am finally home and am still recovering! Been too tired for GW2 the last couple days, but may hop on tonight. :)

    I appreciate the point made by the OP. Many "hardcore" players "burned twice as bright, but burned out four times as fast". Many of them do so out of habit, with no MMO ever keeping them beyond a month or two.

    Some of us play hardcore hours, but still have the ability to recognize and appreciate a game "with legs" and can make the mental shift needed to settle into a mode of play supportive of long term, ongoing game play.

    I hit 80 with my Prime fairly early. I hit "the wall" for a day, wondering "ok, what do I do next". Then, I shifted my thinking, stopped worrying about "end game progression" and started playing GW2 more like Slyrim than a typical MMO. I hit the 475+ hour mark before illness struck me down and was still having as much fun as I did the first week. It didn't matter if I was playing a level 80 well past the point where I reached the level cap, or a lower level alt, I have found no lack of fun from GW2.

    I think many casuals will still face the speed bump of having to adjust their expectations of how they should approach an MMO. Let's face it, most of the titles since vanilla WoW have almost "ruined" MMO players via game design that has been desructive to the genre. The casuals that can adapt to this game probably will be able to get a year or two of game play from the content at launch pretty easily. With no sub fee, that's just an incredible prospect.

    I'm curious to see how the game evolves if there is a shift more towards a casual player base. I think there is still plenty here for hard core players able to make the "paradigm shift", but I can also see this being a very enjoyable playground for players with more casual play habits for years to come.

    Welcome back

    It was you who made that post a couple few weeks ago. I wished you well then, and am happy your still with us now. image

  • The_KorriganThe_Korrigan EastPosts: 2,630Member

    Welcome back, fiontar, I hope you will fully recover and won't have to worry about that illness ever again :)

    Originally posted by eyelolled
    I'm still playing almost every day.  I can't wait for an expansion pack or the next game to try an bring in some of the features of GW2 (exploration, DE's, B2P, and no mob-tagging)

    Games are already copying those features. LOTRO added some in the last expansions: no mob tagging, "dynamic" questing (it's not exactly events, but you get quests on the fly at some places), and even a jumping puzzle (which some LOTRO players are whining about even if the quest is totally optional). TESO is obviously copying some too.

    But don't listen to me - listen to the experts saying that GW2 will have no impact on the industry ;-)

    If you wonder why I don't answer your posts, it's most likely because you are on my block list - so don't waste your time.

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  • fivorothfivoroth LondonPosts: 3,652Member Uncommon
    Casual means exactly that => how much you play. You played roughly 37.5 hours a week and you say you are not hardcore? Casuals are people like me who play 2-8 hours a week. You are hardcore. 37.5 hours  a week is the normal working hours in the UK.

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  • JoeyMMOJoeyMMO SomewherePosts: 1,326Member
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    So hours played is the measure of hardcore?

    There are several meanings to hardcore gamers and several of those refer to number of hours they spend on gaming, or even just discussing gaming, per day. See there's even a class of mid-core (or core) players in between casual and hardcore.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer

    Here's some more "definitions"...

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hardcore%20gamer

    In most cases, number of hours played per day is indeed a measure.

     

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  • MMOwandererMMOwanderer LisbonPosts: 415Member
    Originally posted by fiontar
    Originally posted by Larsa

    It certainly looks like many of the hardcore fans on the forums here have left. We might be down to 10 or so ...

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    I have an excuse, I almost died 3 weeks ago, am finally home and am still recovering! Been too tired for GW2 the last couple days, but may hop on tonight. :)

    I'm very sorry to hear about that. Good to know you're getting better. image fiontar, and as other have said, welcome back.

  • eldariseldaris LondonPosts: 349Member


    Originally posted by Lord.BachusThe difference between hardcore and casual is not so much in the math and the numbers of hours, but more in the reason and how we play games

    Gw2 should have been perfect for me on paper,I dislike raids and big grinds for shiny loot,I like questing,rvr ,exploration and game lore.Too bad my main character is around lv 58 and I don't feel any motivation to log in anymore,rvr is not a decent way to lv your character and far from the fun I had in tier 1-3 of rvr in War,poi-vistas-loading screens and mob density seem to have taken away from me any desire to explore the maps (the fact the world didn't look interesting enough ,with same monsters,so many bleak colored zones didn't help much ) and the only memorable characters I met were during the personal story which is not enough to make me care about lore.
    As FrodoFragins said :"The hardcores probably grinded whatever it was they really wanted. Casuals like me just didn't think the rewards justified the grind.",what is the point to get to 80 when the zones will be even worse (like Orr) and the wvw would still be boring ?

  • VaultarVaultar adelaidePosts: 339Member
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    Then its now time to tell the casualls about the paradise that is GW2...

     

    For me its still the best MMO game since WoW. 

     

    Thats with nearly 300 hours in 2 months of gameplay...

    +1. One of the best games for casuals thats for sure :)

    Still need to get 100% competion, do Arah dungeon for armor, CoF for helm, try out all other dungeon and all their paths, do them many more times with friends just coz its fun annnnnd just maaayybeee roll in an alt. 

    Can't wait for the November update :D!

    Looking forward to EQL and EQN.

  • ChrisReitzChrisReitz Newport, KYPosts: 115Member
    yes they did. You scared them off... omg what a question... Here let me look at my list... Im sure all hardcore players play for 24/7... hmmm
  • ChrisReitzChrisReitz Newport, KYPosts: 115Member
    Originally posted by eldaris

     


    Originally posted by Lord.BachusThe difference between hardcore and casual is not so much in the math and the numbers of hours, but more in the reason and how we play games

     

    Gw2 should have been perfect for me on paper,I dislike raids and big grinds for shiny loot,I like questing,rvr ,exploration and game lore.Too bad my main character is around lv 58 and I don't feel any motivation to log in anymore,rvr is not a decent way to lv your character and far from the fun I had in tier 1-3 of rvr in War,poi-vistas-loading screens and mob density seem to have taken away from me any desire to explore the maps (the fact the world didn't look interesting enough ,with same monsters,so many bleak colored zones didn't help much ) and the only memorable characters I met were during the personal story which is not enough to make me care about lore.
    As FrodoFragins said :"The hardcores probably grinded whatever it was they really wanted. Casuals like me just didn't think the rewards justified the grind.",what is the point to get to 80 when the zones will be even worse (like Orr) and the wvw would still be boring ?

    Well im glad you are playing something else. no point of being in a guild wars 2 if everything you said is true arent you wasting your time?  No wonder you game bored so easily. Posting in what you consider is a useless boring game. Maybe you should go back to wow.

  • AmanaAmana New York, NYPosts: 2,530Moderator Uncommon
    I know you're enjoying the game, but you've threads like this where the title is a little misleading and then you praise the game, which is then followed by agreement and argument. There's not really anything wrong with this thread per se, but you've made ones like this before. 

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