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AVENTURINE selling out? (Literally)

HancakesHancakes flint, MIPosts: 1,045Member

http://www.internetq.com/company-news/investment-aventurine

 

Assuming the conversion takes place within seven months from the launch of Darkfall's sequel (code-named Darkfall 2.0), InternetQ will own c.40% of the Company's share capital. Following such conversion, InternetQ will also have the option to buy additional Company shares in order to control the majority of its share capital.

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  • RandomDownRandomDown Louisville, KYPosts: 145Member

    Tricky question. My understanding is that Darkfall saw a pretty substantial loss of its sub base but from what I"ve read about it, the original team never abandoned it, so I think it is unlikely as they seem pretty invested in the company even if not from an economic perspective.

     

    However an issue would be this: The investment firm clearly sees thisinvestment in the company as a way to launch a mobile platform of some kind and currently they purely work on this one particular piece of software, PC software at that. Given the option to convert to this bond to equity at any time, it seems possible that their intention is actually to buy out the company even if its unwilling. What I mean is this, Darkfall 2.0 doesn't go as well as they had projected or hoped, but the investment firm still wants to utilize the employees for their mobile platform, they choose to exercise the option to convert the bond into equity which could severely restrict their operating funds and then when the company is teetering on the verge of bankruptcy, buy out the remaining shares for a pittance and then reorganize the company purely for the mobile platform and leaving the game as a secondary concern if still one at all.

  • FluteFlute WellingtonPosts: 434Member

    No.

     

    Based on somewhat dated information, Darkfall entered a partnership with another company to bring a localised version of the new Darkfall game to the asian MMO market.  That actually makes a ton of sense, because an asian player community bring different cultural perspectives and expectations to a game, and done right Darkfall Unholy Wars in a localised version would be a smash hit in asia.  They never sold Darkfall, rather they have teamed up with another company who knows the asian market well and sees the potential for a localised version of the new game there.

     

    So no, Aventurine is not selling out - either literally, or figuartively.  Rather what they are doing is using their improved resources to rebuild the entire Darkfall game from ground up, including:

    • new user interface,
    • better sounds,
    • better graphics,
    • better animations,
    • overhauled new player experience
    • new map,
    • new advancement rates,
    • better performance (no lag spike as 'radar'),   
    • improved crafting
    • Class system overlay on skill system to make combat more diverse
    • significantly improved host-side ability to change things.
    The second to last one has had a bunch of die-hards up in arms, but honestly you can still have and level every skill in the game, just you can't have all of them active at the very same time, so I don't get the problem.  Super-macroed tank-mages were nearly unkillable cyborgs of death in Darkfall 1.0 (yes cyborg, because they used macro scripts to do nearly everything, including levelling up overnight), it will be a lot more fun being on the same competetive level as everyone else much sooner - without months of AFK macroing and/or exploiting required first.
     
    Aventurine have also fessed up that not everything will be included at launch, which honestly is a good thing.  I much prefer delayed release of big ships and hovertanks to enable proper testing and balance work to occur - ideally with the community's direct input.  Does that mean that they "sold out"?  Certainly not.  It just means they are being more realistic this time around about what they can deliver, and have chosen to defer things rather than ship them in a state that fails to meet the game's potential.  I'm fine with that, especially as they told us before we bought the box. 
     
    From the Darkfall forums:
    + Manos: Vangelis, at some point there was an announcement for a co-operation with an Asian company (M-Game) . I don't know if there's going to be an Asian server as well.

    Vangelis: Yes, we have a Korean partnership, we can't comment on that yet, but the partnership exists and we co-operate with them on a daily basis. But the result will take some time to come out."
     
    Be careful of believing things you find on the internet, they are not always what you expect.  Besides, last time you at a Big Mac from McDonalds, did you look to see who owned the restaurant or did you care much more about the fact it was a real McDonalds restaurant and was clean with good food handling?  It all tastes the same from a company store or a franchise holder (and yes, many of you may say how could it get any worse, but that is a different issue!)
     
    And buy Darkfall : Unholy Wars you should - why?  Because it's unlike anything quite like you've ever played before, unless you played Darkfall 1.0.  Come on - how many Greek MMOs have you played?!
  • FluteFlute WellingtonPosts: 434Member
    Originally posted by RandomDown

    Tricky question. ...  The investment firm clearly sees thisinvestment in the company as a way to launch a mobile platform of some kind and currently they purely work on this one particular piece of software, PC software at that...

    Remember who owns Aventurine isn't really the issue, particuarly as none of us can have any idea what else that company is working on in addition to the Darkfall games. 

    For gamers, what we have always cared most about is when an independent games company sells thier game to some faceless corporate publisher who wants to simply get as many subs as possible for as long as possible, without any ongoing support or improvements.  Such a move has often in the past been associated with "WoW-ify-ing" the independent game in an effort to increase its subscription appeal, robbing it of the very magic that made it worth playing in the first place.  That is NOT what is happening here.

  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,865Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by FluteNo.

    You are mistaking MGame for InternetQ.

    2 different deals... Maybe read an article in OP?

  • snapfusionsnapfusion San, CAPosts: 954Member
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Flute

     

    No.

     


     

    You are mistaking MGame for InternetQ.

    2 different deals... Maybe read an article in OP?

    You are correct, InternetQ now owns 40% of AV and based on the performance of UW has the right to take over the company and direct its resources as it sees fit (their mobile platforms).  Leaving UW to wither and die if it chooses.

  • CaldrinCaldrin CwmbranPosts: 4,533Member Uncommon
    hopefully internetq will buy out AV and then hire some decent devs to make Darkfall 3.0
  • HancakesHancakes flint, MIPosts: 1,045Member
    Originally posted by Flute

    No.

    image (MGame (korea) and InternetQ are two different deals/companies.) image

    Be careful of believing things you find on the internet, they are not always what you expect.  Besides, last time you at a Big Mac from McDonalds, did you look to see who owned the restaurant or did you care much more about the fact it was a real McDonalds restaurant and was clean with good food handling?  It all tastes the same from a company store or a franchise holder (and yes, many of you may say how could it get any worse, but that is a different issue!)
     
     

    What a terrible Analogy...  InterentQ can do whatever they like once they have control of AV.   A McDonalds franchise is heavily regulated and McD reserves the right to revoke a franchise in case the terms of the agreement are violated.

     

     

    "Be careful of believing things you find on the internet"?    The link is from INternetQ homepage: a multi-million dollar, multi-national company listed on the London Stock exchange.

    It's obvious you didnt read the provided link or you failed to comprehend the contents therein.

     

     

  • RaxeonRaxeon cedar falls, IAPosts: 2,090Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Caldrin
    hopefully internetq will buy out AV and then hire some decent devs to make Darkfall 3.0

    ok LOL let me see these other devs make a engine that handles what darkfall handles i dont see it happening

  • aspekxaspekx Brandon, FLPosts: 2,167Member
    this could cut either way, but for now it may bode well for DF lovers.

    "There are at least two kinds of games.
    One could be called finite, the other infinite.
    A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
    an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
    Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse

  • ZushakonZushakon JönköpingPosts: 119Member
    Originally posted by Flute

    No.

     

    Based on somewhat dated information, Darkfall entered a partnership with another company to bring a localised version of the new Darkfall game to the asian MMO market.  That actually makes a ton of sense, because an asian player community bring different cultural perspectives and expectations to a game, and done right Darkfall Unholy Wars in a localised version would be a smash hit in asia.  They never sold Darkfall, rather they have teamed up with another company who knows the asian market well and sees the potential for a localised version of the new game there.

     

    So no, Aventurine is not selling out - either literally, or figuartively.  Rather what they are doing is using their improved resources to rebuild the entire Darkfall game from ground up, including:

    • new user interface,
    • better sounds,
    • better graphics,
    • better animations,
    • overhauled new player experience
    • new map,
    • new advancement rates,
    • better performance (no lag spike as 'radar'),   
    • improved crafting
    • Class system overlay on skill system to make combat more diverse
    • significantly improved host-side ability to change things.
    The second to last one has had a bunch of die-hards up in arms, but honestly you can still have and level every skill in the game, just you can't have all of them active at the very same time, so I don't get the problem.  Super-macroed tank-mages were nearly unkillable cyborgs of death in Darkfall 1.0 (yes cyborg, because they used macro scripts to do nearly everything, including levelling up overnight), it will be a lot more fun being on the same competetive level as everyone else much sooner - without months of AFK macroing and/or exploiting required first.
     
    Aventurine have also fessed up that not everything will be included at launch, which honestly is a good thing.  I much prefer delayed release of big ships and hovertanks to enable proper testing and balance work to occur - ideally with the community's direct input.  Does that mean that they "sold out"?  Certainly not.  It just means they are being more realistic this time around about what they can deliver, and have chosen to defer things rather than ship them in a state that fails to meet the game's potential.  I'm fine with that, especially as they told us before we bought the box. 
     
    From the Darkfall forums:
    + Manos: Vangelis, at some point there was an announcement for a co-operation with an Asian company (M-Game) . I don't know if there's going to be an Asian server as well.

    Vangelis: Yes, we have a Korean partnership, we can't comment on that yet, but the partnership exists and we co-operate with them on a daily basis. But the result will take some time to come out."
     
    Be careful of believing things you find on the internet, they are not always what you expect.  Besides, last time you at a Big Mac from McDonalds, did you look to see who owned the restaurant or did you care much more about the fact it was a real McDonalds restaurant and was clean with good food handling?  It all tastes the same from a company store or a franchise holder (and yes, many of you may say how could it get any worse, but that is a different issue!)
     
    And buy Darkfall : Unholy Wars you should - why?  Because it's unlike anything quite like you've ever played before, unless you played Darkfall 1.0.  Come on - how many Greek MMOs have you played?!

     

    Wow, a sensible, well-written and intelligent post, not every day you see that on these forums!

    Darkfall Unholy Wars:
    Zushakon Odi

  • HancakesHancakes flint, MIPosts: 1,045Member
    Originally posted by Zushakon
    Originally posted by Flute

    No.

     

    Wow, a sensible, well-written and intelligent post, not every day you see that on these forums!

    Based entirely on ignorance as hes confusing Mgame and InternetQ. image

    Two different companys and two different deals, which has been pointed out numerous times in this thread.

     

    Mgame is the Darkfall 2.0 Asia publisher/co-developer.

    InternetQ currently owns 40% of AV with the options to purchase the controlling shares. (see OP)

  • XarnthalXarnthal Landenberg, PAPosts: 130Member

    So if DF:UW fails you guys think the Darkfall devs are going to work on a mobile platform of some sort?

     

    I think some of you don't think.

     

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    Assist
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  • wireded21wireded21 NorfolkPosts: 118Member
    Originally posted by Zushakon
    Originally posted by Flute

    No.

     

    Based on somewhat dated information, Darkfall entered a partnership with another company to bring a localised version of the new Darkfall game to the asian MMO market.  That actually makes a ton of sense, because an asian player community bring different cultural perspectives and expectations to a game, and done right Darkfall Unholy Wars in a localised version would be a smash hit in asia.  They never sold Darkfall, rather they have teamed up with another company who knows the asian market well and sees the potential for a localised version of the new game there.

     

    So no, Aventurine is not selling out - either literally, or figuartively.  Rather what they are doing is using their improved resources to rebuild the entire Darkfall game from ground up, including:

    • new user interface,
    • better sounds,
    • better graphics,
    • better animations,
    • overhauled new player experience
    • new map,
    • new advancement rates,
    • better performance (no lag spike as 'radar'),   
    • improved crafting
    • Class system overlay on skill system to make combat more diverse
    • significantly improved host-side ability to change things.
    The second to last one has had a bunch of die-hards up in arms, but honestly you can still have and level every skill in the game, just you can't have all of them active at the very same time, so I don't get the problem.  Super-macroed tank-mages were nearly unkillable cyborgs of death in Darkfall 1.0 (yes cyborg, because they used macro scripts to do nearly everything, including levelling up overnight), it will be a lot more fun being on the same competetive level as everyone else much sooner - without months of AFK macroing and/or exploiting required first.
     
    Aventurine have also fessed up that not everything will be included at launch, which honestly is a good thing.  I much prefer delayed release of big ships and hovertanks to enable proper testing and balance work to occur - ideally with the community's direct input.  Does that mean that they "sold out"?  Certainly not.  It just means they are being more realistic this time around about what they can deliver, and have chosen to defer things rather than ship them in a state that fails to meet the game's potential.  I'm fine with that, especially as they told us before we bought the box. 
     
    From the Darkfall forums:
    + Manos: Vangelis, at some point there was an announcement for a co-operation with an Asian company (M-Game) . I don't know if there's going to be an Asian server as well.

    Vangelis: Yes, we have a Korean partnership, we can't comment on that yet, but the partnership exists and we co-operate with them on a daily basis. But the result will take some time to come out."
     
    Be careful of believing things you find on the internet, they are not always what you expect.  Besides, last time you at a Big Mac from McDonalds, did you look to see who owned the restaurant or did you care much more about the fact it was a real McDonalds restaurant and was clean with good food handling?  It all tastes the same from a company store or a franchise holder (and yes, many of you may say how could it get any worse, but that is a different issue!)
     
    And buy Darkfall : Unholy Wars you should - why?  Because it's unlike anything quite like you've ever played before, unless you played Darkfall 1.0.  Come on - how many Greek MMOs have you played?!

     

    Wow, a sensible, well-written and intelligent post, not every day you see that on these forums!

     Agreed.

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