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Absolutely Infested with Hackers.

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  • BoneserinoBoneserino London, ONPosts: 1,733Member Uncommon

     

    Originally posted by Talonsin
    I have not run into a hacker yet, I dont get a chance.  Everytime I try to enter a town, I get shot before I can search one building.  I understand this is a survival game but holy mackeral you would think I would be able to run into one person who does not want to shoot me for my noobie flashlight.  I dont really think the zombies even fit into the game right now.  It is more of a PVP game with a slight zombie annoyance than a zombie survival game.   Yes, I understand when the zombie outbreak happens that people will want to kill me for whatever I have but not EVERY SINGLE PERSON left in the world. 

     

    Maybe the FFA  PvP community will get the message as to why their games never get made.

    Because these are the people they attract!!!

    Griefers, cheaters, hackers, gankers, call them what you want.   FFA PvP does not work in any form, either with hackers or without. 

    I mean  really , is anyone surprised by this?

    FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!

  • RighteousRighteous Posts: 99Member Uncommon
    The correct terminology: cheaters. Hacking implies the person has computer skills, which in turn elevates their ego. Please, call it for what it is, it is cheating.
  • BoneserinoBoneserino London, ONPosts: 1,733Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Biskop
    Sad. Things like this really kill games. It seems these devs have made some really serious mistakes (rushed development, paid alpha access, lack of anti-cheat measures, unprofessional customer relations staff) and the game may never recover from this trainwreck of a pre-release.

    Too bad all the anti-ffa people will use WarZ as an example when they try to argue against open world pvp - as if that had anything to do with its increasingly bad rep.

    Oh come on, what are you blind??

    Show me an open world PvP that works!  And I mean one that doesn't work for the griefers and cheaters.

    The only thing that works is instanced.   

    FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!

  • tristanryantristanryan Elkton, VAPosts: 233Member
    Originally posted by Boneserino
    Originally posted by Biskop
    Sad. Things like this really kill games. It seems these devs have made some really serious mistakes (rushed development, paid alpha access, lack of anti-cheat measures, unprofessional customer relations staff) and the game may never recover from this trainwreck of a pre-release.

    Too bad all the anti-ffa people will use WarZ as an example when they try to argue against open world pvp - as if that had anything to do with its increasingly bad rep.

    Oh come on, what are you blind??

    Show me an open world PvP that works!  And I mean one that doesn't work for the griefers and cheaters.

    The only thing that works is instanced.   

     

     

    Im not sure what you mean. I love PvP. I also love DayZ and WarZ. I love the feeling of risk of loss, real loss. When encounter another player in these games, you feel real adrenaline. I can feel my heart beating in my ears. If i miss that shot... i could lose *everything*. You must gives games like this a chance and you will see what i mean. Its.. a feeling not many games can provide. You might even call it a "high".

     

    I just cant deal with cheaters.

  • BoneserinoBoneserino London, ONPosts: 1,733Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by tristanryan
    Originally posted by Boneserino
    Originally posted by Biskop
    Sad. Things like this really kill games. It seems these devs have made some really serious mistakes (rushed development, paid alpha access, lack of anti-cheat measures, unprofessional customer relations staff) and the game may never recover from this trainwreck of a pre-release.

    Too bad all the anti-ffa people will use WarZ as an example when they try to argue against open world pvp - as if that had anything to do with its increasingly bad rep.

    Oh come on, what are you blind??

    Show me an open world PvP that works!  And I mean one that doesn't work for the griefers and cheaters.

    The only thing that works is instanced.   

     

     

    Im not sure what you mean. I love PvP. I also love DayZ and WarZ. I love the feeling of risk of loss, real loss. When encounter another player in these games, you feel real adrenaline. I can feel my heart beating in my ears. If i miss that shot... i could lose *everything*. You must gives games like this a chance and you will see what i mean. Its.. a feeling not many games can provide. You might even call it a "high".

     

    I just cant deal with cheaters.

    What you love is an image of PvP in your mind. 

      The unfortunate thing is that for you and many others , there is not a game out there that can provide that experience.

    And the reason is just as you have stated.  It is because of the people that are drawn to play these games.  You may have notions of honourable and fair and balanced PvP in an open world but the reality is that it just doesn't work.   And the reason is, because these games are littlered with the type of anti-social misfits that could not give a rats ass about fairness or honor or skill.  They just want  to kick your ass and watch you cry.  Period.  And they will do it any way they can.

    So if you enjoy playing with this type of person by all means go ahead and enjoy. 

    Does that make it clearer?

    FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!

  • AeolronAeolron Ottawa, ONPosts: 648Member
    Originally posted by tristanryan
    Absolutely infested. Hell, there are multiple live streams of hackers and nothing is done about it, at all. Everything from no clip, aimbot, ESP, ghosting, proximity alerts, 100% underground movement, 100% flight; the whole shabang. Also, it gets worse. Not only did they enter alpha/beta with *zero* anti cheat measures (which they will pay dearly for) would you like to know the ***only*** advice or reccomendation from Hammerpoint Interactive? Wait for it... Report the situation to a forum moderator (lol). Incase you dont know, there are no nameplates ingame, no death message of who killed you nothing. I can only imagine how some of these hack reports sound "umm someone killed me and then took off flying through the air, i dont have his name but.. ban plz". They also instantly delete any posts (thousands) that are made on the issue, in the alpha discussion forum. They would rather hide the problem.   Its ridiculous and im ashamed i wasted 50 dollars on this piece of shit. "its alpha", no it isnt, its beta and this games code has already been compromised from top to bottom. I hope for the best, but my past experience tells me this game has already started the swirling circle going down the shitter. I would provide a link to the multiple hacking streams, but it would only advertise the hack packages for sale, as little as 2 dollars for 48 hours.....................       Edit; The NDA has been lifted for a while. Please dont lock down this post. Its a damn crime to let people knowingly spend money on something like this. Its just despicable and it makes me so fking mad i cannot describe.   Edit #2; I dont post bullcrap. Heres proof. Im sorry, but word has to get out there. I lost 50 bucks!! http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ultimatehackstream/theater    

     Hi Trist , I would like to thank you for bringing this to the player base here on mmorpg.com, because I WAS thinking about getting this game now when I read your post and watched the stream I am not interested at all in this god aweful piece of crap , reminds me of APB all over again but worse, it's people like this that ruin the experience for everyone, it would be awesome if some of these idiots were exposed for doing shit like that, but we also have to blame the devs , seems they really only care about money.

    Really sorry you had a bad experience man , I really am, for my zombie fix I play Dead island , Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 seems to do the job, would be nice to see a massive scale survival horror game be built properly instead of rush rush rush , it pisses me off, because alot of us were looking forward to this , well not anymore!

     

    Thank you again , you saved me 50 bucks, and in return I will give you a Planet side 2 beta code , just mail me bud!!

    Take care,

     

    Aeolron

  • BoneserinoBoneserino London, ONPosts: 1,733Member Uncommon

    Now PS2 makes sense to me!

    PvP with a purpose, other than mindlessly ganking other players and hopefully no cheaters. 

     Enjoy the game!

    FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!

  • JorlJorl SunderlandPosts: 257Member Uncommon

    I'm sure they are working on something to stop the cheats. We'll just have to see after the offical release.

  • EntinerintEntinerint brooklyn, NYPosts: 868Member Uncommon

    Yep I can attest to this, been killed by flying guys, guys shooting through walls, guys moving at incredible speed.  One guys killed me and my three buddies with one shotgun blast, and we weren't even bunched up.

    Fun stuff.

  • infamouswhoisinfamouswhois Omega CityPosts: 185Member

    ustream.tv/channel/legitplayer

     

    another hacker

  • GolbezTheLionGolbezTheLion Los Angeles, CAPosts: 347Member Uncommon

    Infested is kind of inaccurate, it isn't that bad at all.

    I've yet to come across one, and after introducing a friend to the game tonight ran for five hours with no threat in sight. I think it's an exagerated issue tbh, it exists, but not on the scale some might like to think.

  • oreal52oreal52 KøbenhavnPosts: 76Member Uncommon

    This program is a piece of crap ( i don't call it game,there is nothing entertaining in it )

    Stay away! image

  • Yavin_PrimeYavin_Prime Oak Park, CAPosts: 233Member
    Originally posted by Talonsin
    I have not run into a hacker yet, I dont get a chance.  Everytime I try to enter a town, I get shot before I can search one building.  I understand this is a survival game but holy mackeral you would think I would be able to run into one person who does not want to shoot me for my noobie flashlight.  I dont really think the zombies even fit into the game right now.  It is more of a PVP game with a slight zombie annoyance than a zombie survival game.   Yes, I understand when the zombie outbreak happens that people will want to kill me for whatever I have but not EVERY SINGLE PERSON left in the world. 

    This is exactly why I won't play the game at all. I really can't stand games with that level of PvP.

  • ZadawnZadawn SPosts: 665Member Uncommon
    On a side this is good because they can experience and possibly get a defense in place for these hacks before launch.On the other side,it sucks because cheaters(notice not hackers,hackers are to be praised) suck by default.

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  • OriphusOriphus corkPosts: 467Member Uncommon
    yes, game is infested.
    :)
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  • BoneserinoBoneserino London, ONPosts: 1,733Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by GolbezTheLion
    Infested is kind of inaccurate, it isn't that bad at all. I've yet to come across one, and after introducing a friend to the game tonight ran for five hours with no threat in sight. I think it's an exagerated issue tbh, it exists, but not on the scale some might like to think.

    Golbez I am sorry but you have to be living in Fantasyland, IMO.  

    Did you see what the  guy said when someone asked him, "why not get skills instead?"

    His reply:  "Because I got hacks....Duhhh!!"

    Nice and of course he is advertising where to get them.   So unless something is done about this, do you not agree that the game,if it isn't already, soon will be, INFESTED?

     

    FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!

  • PsyentistPsyentist Seattle, WAPosts: 46Member Uncommon

    In beta is when you want outbreaks (pun intended) like this one to happen. Frankly, its a red flag to us likely consumers at this point, but seeing how Hammerpoint responds will be critical to the game's overall success.

    To the OP, I would simply say your warning is appreciated if misguided. Yes, this game is intense enough to cause you to grief over the death penalty when you died unfairly; the game deseign itself makes everything hyper important and dying carries with it a hefty wait.  But it is stil in beta and you willingly paid $50 for an unproven product. Crying foul about an incomplete game is a bit... rash.

    Personally, I've been delibrating whether to go with the DayZ standalone or this. Posts like this are only mildly disconcerting, but the resolution of the problem will solidify the deal.  Heres to hoping~

     

    Edit:  Oh and on the subject of open pvp: Open world full pvp is by far the best, most engrossing style of rpg ever concieved.  That being said, its also the most touchy, tech savvy, and actively moderated kind of scenario to create which is both expensive and time sensative.

  • AesowhreapAesowhreap Omaha, NEPosts: 78Member
    What game is this about.

    Best Regards, ...

  • BiskopBiskop AvalonPosts: 709Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Boneserino
    Originally posted by tristanryan
    Originally posted by Boneserino
    Originally posted by Biskop
    Sad. Things like this really kill games. It seems these devs have made some really serious mistakes (rushed development, paid alpha access, lack of anti-cheat measures, unprofessional customer relations staff) and the game may never recover from this trainwreck of a pre-release.

    Too bad all the anti-ffa people will use WarZ as an example when they try to argue against open world pvp - as if that had anything to do with its increasingly bad rep.

    Oh come on, what are you blind??

    Show me an open world PvP that works!  And I mean one that doesn't work for the griefers and cheaters.

    The only thing that works is instanced.   

     

     

    Im not sure what you mean. I love PvP. I also love DayZ and WarZ. I love the feeling of risk of loss, real loss. When encounter another player in these games, you feel real adrenaline. I can feel my heart beating in my ears. If i miss that shot... i could lose *everything*. You must gives games like this a chance and you will see what i mean. Its.. a feeling not many games can provide. You might even call it a "high".

     

    I just cant deal with cheaters.

    What you love is an image of PvP in your mind. 

      The unfortunate thing is that for you and many others , there is not a game out there that can provide that experience.

    And the reason is just as you have stated.  It is because of the people that are drawn to play these games.  You may have notions of honourable and fair and balanced PvP in an open world but the reality is that it just doesn't work.   And the reason is, because these games are littlered with the type of anti-social misfits that could not give a rats ass about fairness or honor or skill.  They just want  to kick your ass and watch you cry.  Period.  And they will do it any way they can.

    So if you enjoy playing with this type of person by all means go ahead and enjoy. 

    Does that make it clearer?

    Who are you to tell somebody what games he loves?

    Just because you can't handle open world PVP doesn't mean others don't enjoy it. Games like EVE, UO (private servers nowadays), DF and DayZ thrive on FFA PVP. They are not your typical themepark/consensual PVP type of game and thus require a different mindset and a different type of skill, but that's why they're popular within their own subset of the MMO community.

    If you had any experience with these games you would know that "fair, balanced and honourable" are meaningless terms in open world environments, at least outside pre-arranged arena fights and duels. FFA PVP is more akin to warfare than a football match; it takes time, commitment, metagaming and political maneuvering to be successful, and it does not end just because you win one battle. 

    But you probably won't understand this, since you seem to have more of a MOBA/BG approach to PVP - which is fine, but please respect that others enjoy other things.

    As for hacking and cheating: it has nothing to do with FFA PVP - people hack, cheat and bot in all games. Sadly though, many FFA games are also indie projects and thus easier prey for cheaters than the big AAA titles. Also, cheating has a more devastating effect in a competitive environment than in a PVE-only themepark game.

  • RenoakuRenoaku Posts: 1,419Member Uncommon

     I agree hackers are a serious problem.

    While playing the game I experienced some bugs in the game, and discovered that given the right memory codes to the game files you can easily edit memory with any hack program to amke yourself go through walls and such.

    Problem isn't so much public hacking.

    What about the users who play the game on their own private server lock down their room and use hacks to quickly farm a lot of items drop them into their storage and then go on another server without the hacks?

    Also the fact that when you die you have to wait 60 minutes to play again this is annoying as hell spawn time should be no longer than 60 seconds.

    The game in this state is just very bad and I agree waste of money however it is free so not much of a loss I will wait and see what the final product is like.

    Also the game companies say CHEATING a game company is breaking the LAW lol? They are morons I don't agree with cheating, however I would like to see the cheat companies sued maybe not for revese engineer their game to hack it but for loss of money like blizzard did in the lawsuit against that one program that began with a G.

  • LaromussLaromuss vancouver, BCPosts: 330Member Uncommon
    The hacking in the game has been lowered/reduced significantly since the last update, they've been working on the hackers and have acknowledged it very early on.  The issue was that the early build they had, players did not have name plates thus making it quite impossible to report players but now with the new update and anit hacking they've implemented along with player name plates the hacking epidemic is no where near where it was at the beginning.   Addtionally you have to keep in mind and i'm sure this has been mentioned several times that this is an "ALPHA".  Paying to play in an alpha in any game is risky and buyer beware.  Alpha usually ends up being the very raw essential features of the game in any type of game development cycle and game play is not refined at all.
  • GolbezTheLionGolbezTheLion Los Angeles, CAPosts: 347Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Boneserino

    Golbez I am sorry but you have to be living in Fantasyland, IMO.   Did you see what the  guy said when someone asked him, "why not get skills instead?" His reply:  "Because I got hacks....Duhhh!!" Nice and of course he is advertising where to get them.   So unless something is done about this, do you not agree that the game,if it isn't already, soon will be, INFESTED?

    I have no reason to lie, but you are obviously free to think whatever you choose.

    I do not agree that the game is infested with hackers.

    I do not agree that the game will soon be infested with hackers.

    Anti-Cheat measures were implemented a few days ago, meanwhile they've been gathering metrics on the situation over the last few weeks, and the company revealed that of the playerbase less than 1% were utilizing hacks. Not my definition of rampant or infested, but so be it.

    The majority of individuals who think they fell victim to a hacker, actually didn't. They simply lacked solid situational awareness and got dropped by someone that was better. It happens every day, someone who thinks they are having a decent run gets popped, and they immediately cry hacker out of spite or sheer ignorance. It couldn't possibly be that they just got outplayed, right? This isn't a new concept to online gaming, it's been going on for over a decade...

    If I thought the game was a hacker infested shitpile I wouldn't recommend it to anyone I knew, and if it were I surely would have experienced that by now, but I haven't, and I have no reason to make up stories and defend the company blindly. I have zero vested interest in them. However, I do think that they seem to be doing a satisfactory job with the game, imho, and when issues arise they try to deal with them efficiently and in a timely manner.

    No company wants there game to fall prey to hackers, especially at this early stage of development when bad press can crush a game before it even gets off the ground, and the War Z has had some issues with them - of that there is no doubt, I've seen the vids, etc... some of the hacks used were definitely blatantly obvious and others not so much - but I firmly believe that to refer to it as "infested" or to give the impression that they are running rampant killing everyone and nobody can play the game in a fun manner is absolutely untrue.

     

     

  • CaldrinCaldrin CwmbranPosts: 4,505Member Uncommon

    yeah they have just started to bring in their anti hack system.. now they know what hacks people have been using it will be easier for them to stop..

    From what i have seen its been a lot better sicne the last patch when they brought in the system.

    Also anyone cought hacking gets their account perma banned..

  • infamouswhoisinfamouswhois Omega CityPosts: 185Member
    actually they only get permabanned if they get caught hacking twice. They posted that the first time a person get caugh hacking its; i can't remember how long but i think 72 hrs account ban. Basicly if you get caugh hacking you'll get a 2nd chance before getting your account permabanned. But ya after last patch its not as rampant for cheaters but there's still the odd one here and there. But just like the other cheats before, cheats happen in waves after some time has passed for hacks to develop. If there's still the odd hacker around after their fix, you can expect a 2nd wave of massive hackers to happen again.
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